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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/11 13:13:20 (permalink)
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love all the info i was lost now im found by finding this thread another question i had currently my walls are all aluminum do i have to cover in frp as you did and second i have a roll up door that my wife wants to keep closed and not ad an access door for extra security is that normal. we are very new at this and have tons of questions another one we have is we need a fire suppression system is there anyway around the 4-5k cost associated with purchse and install...



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Do you have aluminum walls over the interior beams/frame or are you referring to the aluminum that also makes up the exterior of the truck? The walls need to be smooth and be able to be wiped down so having the beams exposed may be an issue. Post a pic of your setup. The roll-up door needs to stay in order to provide access for new/replacement equipment that cannot fit through your front door. You can always replace the rollup with a dual swing open door and cover the inside of the door with aluminum or FRP.
 
As for fire suppression....shop on Ebay, buy the system in pieces but still have a professional install, just my opinion.
 
 
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/11 13:14:51 (permalink)
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where do you plan on putting the generator iam havaing a hard time figuring that one out there are tons of food trucks where i live but i dont see any of there generator how do you plan on doing it

 
I am going to mount my generator (as soon as I buy it) on the rear bumper. I am having a extended rear bumper fabricated as the one that was available online at stepvanparts.com was not big enough.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/11 13:15:06 (permalink)
i do sort of like the small trailer being pulled with truck idea.....
i want to carry lots and lots of fresh water (fountain sodas) and that would not only free up a lot of room in the truck, but let me carry a larger tank along with the genny...... drop it off 50 feet or so from where setting up and run a 50 amp shore power cord..... then space/noise/vibration/etc... is never an issue
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/11 13:16:44 (permalink)
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i do sort of like the small trailer being pulled with truck idea.....
i want to carry lots and lots of fresh water (fountain sodas) and that would not only free up a lot of room in the truck, but let me carry a larger tank along with the genny...... drop it off 50 feet or so from where setting up and run a 50 amp shore power cord..... then space/noise/vibration/etc... is never an issue

 
Hmmm...That's a good idea.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/11 13:21:48 (permalink)
maybe even a chest freezer for bagged ice along side the water tank.... i have been several places i would give a left.....well, i would have given a lot for a bag of ice, lol.....
just build a short in length (maybe 10'), tall as the truck and same paint scheme.... would look awesome !!
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/11 13:22:38 (permalink)
well, thats not a "small" trailer anymore, lol.....
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/11 14:43:33 (permalink)
The trucks around here have figured out putting the generator on the front of the truck serves 2 purposes. One it counter balances the load from the equipment in the truck, the propane tanks with the generator in the front. AND it puts more distance from the service window and the generator noise and smells.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/11 20:56:49 (permalink)
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i do sort of like the small trailer being pulled with truck idea.....
i want to carry lots and lots of fresh water (fountain sodas) and that would not only free up a lot of room in the truck, but let me carry a larger tank along with the genny...... drop it off 50 feet or so from where setting up and run a 50 amp shore power cord..... then space/noise/vibration/etc... is never an issue

 
Where do you guys live? I'm in Springfield Illinois and could never carry fresh water on a trailer for 3 or 4 months out of the year. Our winters are not as brutal as some parts of the country but we do get a week or two of zero temps during the winter. But we never know in advance when they will happen so it would be a very big gamble to try and carry water on the trailer. And this last winter we had 9 inches of snow in one storm. I was closed for a week, but there were some BM restaurants closed for 3 days as well.
 
One other thought
 
Our city allows me to go to city hall and pay for parking spaces in advance, then the city Police Dept bags the meters with no parking signs.  And of course when I pay they give me a permission slip to park in those metered spots. They charge $2.75 per meter, per day and I'm supposed to give the city 10 days notice on the days I need the meters. But I have had meters flagged in as little as 3 days.
 
So I could go to the city and get two meters flagged, for Monday in front of the Secretary of States office about 600 employees, and two meters flagged for the Springfield Clinics Building for Tuesday, about 1200 employees, and on and on for the entire week. But there may at some point be a down side to this. Each of those buildings has on site cafeterias, and the companies that run them are going to be plenty pissed if I show up every monday and take even 20% of there normal lunch business. And I would be upset as well, so I'm not sure when or if I'm going to do this. What do you think?
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PS I'm not trying to high jack this thread. Sorry.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 01:45:29 (permalink)

 
I tried uploading some photos for you but i havent been a member long enough yet so if you dont mind im on flickr just search for rollingwitburgers one word and it should pull up if that dosent work please let me know how i could get the pics to you im very nervous with this food truck build and i ahve been searching for someone of your expertise and knowlege for a long time. some photos for you i talked to my wife about the roll up door situation and were you advising to leave the roll up door intact and to cut a whole to frame a new door. second the floor looks as if it has a diamond plate covering would cleaning the exisiting floor be recommended. what is frp exactley..
 
thanks
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 09:03:01 (permalink)
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   what is frp exactley..

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FRP is Fiber Reinforced Plastic. It is plastic wall covering that is waterproof they use in restaurants. You can get it at the local home improvement stores. I found the smooth kind at Home Depot for $21 a sheet of 4'X8'.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 09:58:55 (permalink)
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I tried uploading some photos for you but i havent been a member long enough yet so if you dont mind im on flickr just search for rollingwitburgers one word and it should pull up if that dosent work please let me know how i could get the pics to you im very nervous with this food truck build and i ahve been searching for someone of your expertise and knowlege for a long time. some photos for you i talked to my wife about the roll up door situation and were you advising to leave the roll up door intact and to cut a whole to frame a new door. second the floor looks as if it has a diamond plate covering would cleaning the exisiting floor be recommended. what is frp exactley..

thanks
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I searched Flickr but no results. Also, I am far from a food truck build expert. I am here to learn just as you.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 11:37:16 (permalink)
rollingwitburgers I tried uploading some photos for you but i havent been a member long enough yet so if you dont mind im on flickr just search for rollingwitburgers one word and it should pull up if that dosent work please let me know how i could get the pics to you chris and trina

 
Send me a link Jack@DrofBBQ.com and I'll post them for you.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 16:03:47 (permalink)
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rollingwitburgers I tried uploading some photos for you but i havent been a member long enough yet so if you dont mind im on flickr just search for rollingwitburgers one word and it should pull up if that dosent work please let me know how i could get the pics to you chris and trina


Send me a link and I'll post them for you.
Jack

 
Thanks jack i sent a link to you
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 17:01:17 (permalink)
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  I'mvery nervous with this food truck build and i have been searching for someone of your expertise and knowledge for a long time. some photos for you i talked to my wife about the roll up door situation and were you advising to leave the roll up door intact and to cut a whole to frame a new door. second the floor looks as if it has a diamond plate covering would cleaning the existing floor be recommended?
chris and trina





 


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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 20:03:02 (permalink)
Clean that diamond plate up as good as you can, and leave it.
Is it welded or screwed? Welded, you would have no seams, which is best.
 
 
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 22:08:38 (permalink)
Looking at the walls would I still need frp or a good cleaning . And if I need frp do I just frame as you would drywall and run electrical behind frp.

Thanks Jack
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 22:33:35 (permalink)
I  have working on a similar truck, the aluminum walls had a lot of holes, so it was a lot easier to just glue up frp, phosphoric acid will clean up the diamond plate, use an acid brush, follow the directions , home depot has it for 14 or 15 dollars, you might need to do it twice use a pump sprayer, then rinse it off. It leaves a white haze but walking on it and wear and tear removes the haze.Your walls need to be an easily cleaned smooth surface so food and debris doesnt cause sanitation issues. I tried the acid on the walls and it doesnt take out all the imperfections, its a lot of work to find out it doesnt look good. If you use frp use solvent based glue for frp, made by liguid nails, the latex  glue is not recommended over metal walls.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 23:12:59 (permalink)
i would think you want to put up some "studs" that way you have room for insulation...... park your truck out in the bright noon day sun, let it sit for an hour, and go out and see how hot it is inside...these thing are like easy bake ovens
 
also, this gives you a way to run wiring for outlets, you will need to put up some sort of plywood under the frp, this adds strength to the walls, and a little "meat" to hold screws when you screw stuff to the walls...lol, and you will be screwing stuff to the walls, im going to use 1/4' luan, its water resistant, and light weight, and with rigid insulation underneath will have surprising strength and rigidity.....
i think 2" is a good thickness to work with, this lets you use shallow outlet boxes, is enough room for about an r11 in insulation 
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 23:20:41 (permalink)
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 i do sort of like the small trailer being pulled with truck idea.....
i want to carry lots and lots of fresh water (fountain sodas) and that would not only free up a lot of room in the truck, but let me carry a larger tank along with the genny...... drop it off 50 feet or so from where setting up and run a 50 amp shore power cord..... then space/noise/vibration/etc... is never an issue

 Where do you guys live? I'm in Springfield Illinois and could never carry fresh water on a trailer for 3 or 4 months out of the year. Our winters are not as brutal as some parts of the country but we do get a week or two of zero temps during the winter. But we never know in advance when they will happen so it would be a very big gamble to try and carry water on the trailer. And this last winter we had 9 inches of snow in one storm. I was closed for a week, but there were some BM restaurants closed for 3 days as well.

One other thought

Our city allows me to go to city hall and pay for parking spaces in advance, then the city Police Dept bags the meters with no parking signs.  And of course when I pay they give me a permission slip to park in those metered spots. They charge $2.75 per meter, per day and I'm supposed to give the city 10 days notice on the days I need the meters. But I have had meters flagged in as little as 3 days.

So I could go to the city and get two meters flagged, for Monday in front of the Secretary of States office about 600 employees, and two meters flagged for the Springfield Clinics Building for Tuesday, about 1200 employees, and on and on for the entire week. But there may at some point be a down side to this. Each of those buildings has on site cafeterias, and the companies that run them are going to be plenty pissed if I show up every monday and take even 20% of there normal lunch business. And I would be upset as well, so I'm not sure when or if I'm going to do this. What do you think?
Jack
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down here in north carolina, a brutal winter is 32 degrees, sometimes it gets down to the 20's, but a day later will be back up in the 40's..... a little heat tape around the tank would be plenty to keep thawed out even on the coldest day
 
i would say go for it on the possible sites, who cares if they get mad, outside of possibly taking some customers from their cafeterias do or have they had any aspect in your life? or your well being ? if not, smile and wave :)
maybe go in a week before with some flyers, ask to have them posted, see what kind of response you get
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 23:30:59 (permalink)
I'm looking at the walls for the 3rd time and it looks like those are not the exterior walls. Am I wrong in that thought?
 
If they are not the outside walls and instead an interior wall read the following.
 
If you build a stud wall on both sides of that truck your taking up a lot of usable space. Cover them if you must (I would not) but glue up what ever your going to use to cover them, and make it (the wall covering) as thin as possible. You can run your electric in plastic pipe on the surface of the wall and save yourself a ton of space.
 
Sorry guys but you are building and I have worked in a 16 foot box for years. Space is so very important and you just don't realize it until your done with the build.
 
Whats behind the aluminum? Is it a dead air space? How thick is the space? Would it be worthwhile to drill it at the top and shoot foam in to that area to insulate it ? Especially if your going to cover the walls with anything.
 
But again I'd clean and buff those walls first before I did anything else. If that doesn't work then go the other direction. Your only out your labor.
 
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 23:37:31 (permalink)
so if i glue frp to wall what about instillation?
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 23:38:46 (permalink)
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I'm looking at the walls for the 3rd time and it looks like those are not the exterior walls. Am I wrong in that thought?

If they are not the outside walls and instead an interior wall read the following.

If you build a stud wall on both sides of that truck your taking up a lot of usable space. Cover them if you must (I would not) but glue up what ever your going to use to cover them, and make it (the wall covering) as thin as possible. You can run your electric in plastic pipe on the surface of the wall and save yourself a ton of space.

Sorry guys but you are building and I have worked in a 16 foot box for years. Space is so very important and you just don't realize it until your done with the build.

Whats behind the aluminum? Is it a dead air space? How thick is the space? Would it be worthwhile to drill it at the top and shoot foam in to that area to insulate it ? Especially if your going to cover the walls with anything.

But again I'd clean and buff those walls first before I did anything else. If that doesn't work then go the other direction. Your only out your labor.


and would it be best to put electrical behind frp so it can be flush:)
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 23:43:21 (permalink)
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I'm looking at the walls for the 3rd time and it looks like those are not the exterior walls. Am I wrong in that thought?

If they are not the outside walls and instead an interior wall read the following.

If you build a stud wall on both sides of that truck your taking up a lot of usable space. Cover them if you must (I would not) but glue up what ever your going to use to cover them, and make it (the wall covering) as thin as possible. You can run your electric in plastic pipe on the surface of the wall and save yourself a ton of space.

Sorry guys but you are building and I have worked in a 16 foot box for years. Space is so very important and you just don't realize it until your done with the build.

Whats behind the aluminum? Is it a dead air space? How thick is the space? Would it be worthwhile to drill it at the top and shoot foam in to that area to insulate it ? Especially if your going to cover the walls with anything.

But again I'd clean and buff those walls first before I did anything else. If that doesn't work then go the other direction. Your only out your labor.


yes jack it is dead space maybe 2-3 inch maxbetween intereior and exterior the pics are the interior walls
 
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/12 23:51:14 (permalink)
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 down here in north carolina, a brutal winter is 32 degrees, sometimes it gets down to the 20's, but a day later will be back up in the 40's..... a little heat tape around the tank would be plenty to keep thawed out even on the coldest day

i would say go for it on the possible sites, who cares if they get mad, outside of possibly taking some customers from their cafeterias do or have they had any aspect in your life? or your well being ? if not, smile and wave :)
maybe go in a week before with some flyers, ask to have them posted, see what kind of response you get

Well Springfield is the state capitol and politics are tougher here than in DC. If the company that has the contract on the state office buildings had any pull, and they do or they wouldn't have the contract, they are going to fight me with phone calls to god only knows. First they will try the HD then the city, and maybe try and get the rules on parking meters changed or food trucks. It will create a big battle.  Not that I haven't been there before. LOL
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/13 00:14:41 (permalink)
Maybe 2-3 inch max between interior and exterior the pics are the interior walls.
 
Then for gods sake don't add anything to the walls unless you absolutely have to. Start calling insulation companies and get them to come look at it. Don't get a price over the phone have them show up and get a written price quote on drilling holes and filling the space with insulation. They can dril an inch and a quarter hole at the very top of each section and pump it full of foam. Hopefully the liquid foam that sets up and provides a great barrier. And if in your area you have 20 companies that do that kind of work call them all. If you have 50 call them all. By the time you've gone through the entire list and those that show up, you'll know as much about the process as they do. LOL You'll find prices all over the map and you'll find a company you feel comfortable with.

Then you can cover the holes with trim or if you have to FRP.
 
But before you buy FRP Go to this site http://www.nudo.com/ and read very careefully what they offer. They are here in Springfield and built my trailer walls. I don't remember who it was but another RF builder bought from them this last winter. They are an awesome company. In fact do a search here on RF there were several post on it. 
 
 Good luck my friend.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/16 09:35:56 (permalink)
Thinking of buying this generator today. Is this a good deal. I cannot find too much about this model online.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/16 10:10:27 (permalink)
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Thinking of buying generator today. Is this a good deal. I cannot find too much about this model online.

Generac is a REALLY sturdy product. I have used their emergency building generators and haven't had any problems. The ad says it was only used twice, he should still have all the warranty stuff in tact. I wouldn't buy it if he can't produce that. You could get a similar generator at Lowes or HD for the about the same price with a warranty. Cuz if that generator dies you are kind of in a pickle.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/16 11:22:14 (permalink)
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Thinking of buying generator today. Is this a good deal. I cannot find too much about this model online.

Generac is a REALLY sturdy product. I have used their emergency building generators and haven't had any problems. The ad says it was only used twice, he should still have all the warranty stuff in tact. I wouldn't buy it if he can't produce that. You could get a similar generator at Lowes or HD for the about the same price with a warranty. Cuz if that generator dies you are kind of in a pickle.

I haven't seen a 10K Generac anywhere for 500. There are other 10K brands/models on Amazon, etc. for around 800 but not a Generac. I want the Generac because they manufacture a remote control panel that can be added on to their generators. I am going to check it out in person tomorrow.
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/16 11:25:15 (permalink)
how do you figure out what kind of breaker box to get ?
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Re:1993 Chevrolet P30 Food Truck Build 2011/09/16 11:35:30 (permalink)
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how do you figure out what kind of breaker box to get ?

Slips my mind right now because I am at a bar working and kind of toasted, got tired of working from home. I purchased a 50AMP box with 8 breakers but I still need an electrician to come out and review how I need to set things up. I maintained a spreadsheet to list all of my equipment and calculate voltage/current needed and I definitely need a 10K generator.
 
I am supposed to only work half day today, we will see. If so I will take a pic of my breaker box and I am also in the process of building a sliding door between my cabin and kitchen. I will post those pics.
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