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joerogo

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2011-12 College Football Wed, 08/24/11 7:57 PM (permalink)
I just got an email from the Southern Command for Notre Dame(located in lovely St. Pete's) with this link...
 

 
And it reminded me just how close the season is.
 
Second game for PSU is Bama at home.  Yes, we will know real quick how our season is going to be.
 
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    Re:2011-12 College Football Wed, 08/24/11 8:06 PM (permalink)
    Let's hear it for The U!
     
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      Re:2011-12 College Football Wed, 08/24/11 8:12 PM (permalink)
      September 1 is the first game on ESPN.
       
      We got my mom the NFL challenge this year, she has already complained she is missing sleep because she is staying up late nights to catch up on the games she missed.
       
      I can't wait for college football!!
      It means it is almost fall and cooler weather, which is perfect football weather. Or a good cold and rainy day nothing like playing in the mud.
       
      Is it wrong NOT to have a favorite team, and just love the sport?
      <message edited by CajunKing on Wed, 08/24/11 8:23 PM>
       
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        Re:2011-12 College Football Wed, 08/24/11 8:34 PM (permalink)
        I am afraid it is going to be a long season for the UT VOLS
         
        Paul E. Smith
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          Re:2011-12 College Football Wed, 08/24/11 10:16 PM (permalink)
          Notre Dame had highlights?
           
          Brian Kelly should be gone for putting that kid in the lift in the high winds.
           
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            Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 12:58 AM (permalink)
            saps

            Notre Dame had highlights?
            Brian Kelly should be gone for putting that kid in the lift in the high winds.

            In all fairness, He probably didn't make that decision. 
             
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              Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 1:02 AM (permalink)
              CajunKing

              September 1 is the first game on ESPN.
              Is it wrong NOT to have a favorite team, and just love the sport?

              It is wrong NOT to have a favorite team!
              Your favorite team should be any team playing Notre Dame!
              FIGHT ON!!
               
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                Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 12:56 PM (permalink)
                Foodbme


                saps

                Notre Dame had highlights?
                Brian Kelly should be gone for putting that kid in the lift in the high winds.

                In all fairness, He probably didn't make that decision. 

                He runs the program.  It's his responsibility.  When those windy conditions were occurring across the Midwest, even Jim Tressel had the brains to keep the kids off of the lifts.
                 
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                  Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 1:21 PM (permalink)
                  You have no idea what Tressel did and did not do about kids on lifts but you do know Tressel out and out lied and condoned NCAA cheating by his players. I wouldn't hold Tressel as an example of having brains.
                   
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                    Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 2:07 PM (permalink)
                    Its been a great offseason.
                     
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                      Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 3:39 PM (permalink)
                      Hey Guys, this thread is supposed to last all season, don't get it locked before the first game
                       
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                        Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 5:46 PM (permalink)
                        joerogo


                        Hey Guys, this thread is supposed to last all season, don't get it locked before the first game

                         
                        WOW - Joerogo throws the first penalty flag of the season.  10 yards from the spot of the foul.
                         
                         
                        I think if U of Miami gets the death penalty then so should a few other programs. 
                        It has been too long since SMU got it and ever since supposedly it created this fear of "THE DEATH PENALTY" but what it really said was ok we have shown you we will do it now play nice, and the schools knew that and took advantage of it. Some WAY more than others.
                         
                         
                        <message edited by CajunKing on Thu, 08/25/11 8:47 PM>
                         
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                          Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 5:53 PM (permalink)
                          "The U" will throw a bunch of players under the bus to try to save the program. The people who should be thrown under the bus are the Administration and suits in the Atheletic Dept. They knew what was happening and turned the other way. A booster can't spend that kind of money and it not come to the attention of someone on the staff.
                           
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                            Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 6:37 PM (permalink)
                            CajunKing,
                             
                            Miami University is in Ohio as I think you must know being so close. I think you meant to say University of Miami.
                             
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                              Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 6:39 PM (permalink)
                              joerogo


                              Hey Guys, this thread is supposed to last all season, don't get it locked before the first game

                              Dire warning and we haven't even broached the subject of the SEC yet.
                               
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                                Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 7:45 PM (permalink)
                                Davydd

                                joerogo

                                Hey Guys, this thread is supposed to last all season, don't get it locked before the first game

                                Dire warning and we haven't even broached the subject of the SEC yet.

                                The SEC???
                                Do you mean the "Special Education Conference"??
                                 
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                                  Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 8:48 PM (permalink)
                                  Davydd


                                  CajunKing,

                                  Miami University is in Ohio as I think you must know being so close. I think you meant to say University of Miami.

                                   
                                  You are correct and my OP has been edited
                                   
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                                    Re:2011-12 College Football Thu, 08/25/11 9:08 PM (permalink)
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                                    You have no idea what Tressel did and did not do about kids on lifts but you do know Tressel out and out lied and condoned NCAA cheating by his players. I wouldn't hold Tressel as an example of having brains.

                                     
                                    Actually I do know what Tressel did and did not do about kids on lifts.  It's well documented in several articles:
                                     
                                    "One of the more interesting parts of the Whitlock's piece is when Ohio State coach Jim Tressel is quoted as saying he didn't know if it would be safe to send his video guys up in that same weather less than 24 hours prior to Delcan's death. (he took practice indoors by the way.)"
                                     
                                    http://www.1080thefan.com...rchive=1&pid=27545
                                     
                                    I wasn't holding Tressel in esteem as someone with brains.  Quite the opposite.  My point was that even someone like Tressel, who has the moral turpidute of a rat, had the sense to keep the kids off the lift.
                                     
                                    You kind of missed the boat on everything there, Davydd.
                                     
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                                      Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 9:28 AM (permalink)
                                      The Fiesta Bowl scandal was worse than what is being accused at the Miami Hurricanes. The fans and the media just react more when its a team acting badly, when a bunch of administrators do the same thing its business as usual.
                                       
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                                        Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 9:54 AM (permalink)
                                        I miss the boat less. Citing an article by a blogger is hardly credible, IMO.
                                         
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                                          Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 10:25 AM (permalink)
                                          OK, Davydd.  The comments by Tressel, at the time, were said to a group of reporters.  As I said before, it's documented in several articles (reading comprehension is a skill as well as a gift).
                                          But to appease you, below is a link to one article by Jason Whitlock (not a blogger) , a  well-respected national sports reporter, radio, and tv sports personality. 
                                          Whitlock is also a Scripps Howard Journalism Award Winner. 
                                          Here is Tressel's direct quote:
                                           
                                          “I don’t know if we’ll be inside or out,” Tressel told Ohio reporters 24 hours before the Notre Dame tragedy. “It looks a little nasty. I worry about our cameramen, their well-being up there 50 feet in the air.”
                                          http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/notre-dame-must-fire-brian-kelly-over-student-death-102910?gt1=39002
                                          So yes, you missed the boat entirely.  Good try to cover, though.
                                           
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                                            Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 11:04 AM (permalink)

                                             
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                                              Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 11:19 AM (permalink)
                                              saps


                                              Notre Dame had highlights?

                                              Brian Kelly should be gone for putting that kid in the lift in the high winds.

                                               
                                              Declan Sullivan, my heart still aches over that. So preventable. I read a lot about accidents and the nature of catastrophic failures, and that was classic. Lots of people had the chance to keep that from happening, and no one did. Sure, it leads to the top. But that still ignores the basic nature of catastrophic failures, that they are systematic. They can only be broken by someone stepping outside the system, and the stronger the system, the less likely that will happen. Most of the studies are about air disasters, and the nature of the relationship between pilot and copilot. Airlines in which there is a strong hierarchy and a culture where the pilot is not to be questioned have more accidents; airlines where copilots feel free to act have fewer. The FAA's manuals now address this specifically. Within the system, you can assign blame; but after that, when you look at how it could have been prevented, you can almost always point at a number of people who could have stopped it. It doesn't stop my heart from aching, though.
                                               
                                              Joe, thanks for the opening video, I'll share it with Mary Joan.
                                               
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                                                Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 12:23 PM (permalink)
                                                Notre Dame and Ohio State are 282 driving miles apart. All that has been presented is hearsay opinion by bloggers and sportswriters. The catastrophe was independently (IOSHA) investigated and settled between all parties. One year later Kelly is still head coach at Notre Dame and Tressell is out. My boat's still afloat. I'll leave it at that.
                                                 
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                                                  Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 12:34 PM (permalink)
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                                                  Notre Dame and Ohio State are 282 driving miles apart. All that has been presented is hearsay opinion by bloggers and sportswriters. The catastrophe was independently (IOSHA) investigated and settled between all parties. One year later Kelly is still head coach at Notre Dame and Tressell is out. My boat's still afloat. I'll leave it at that.

                                                  You're words, Davydd:

                                                  "You have no idea what Tressel did and did not do about kids on lifts but you do know Tressel out and out lied and condoned NCAA cheating by his players. I wouldn't hold Tressel as an example of having brains. "
                                                   
                                                  I'm not sure why you are changing the argument at this stage.  You told me that I did not know what Tressel did about kids on the lifts.  His concerns were publicly stated and documented, and he pulled the kids and brought practice inside.  That's a fact.  If a direct quote from someone is hearsay and opinion, I'm not sure where you are coming from.
                                                  The fact that Notre Dame and Ohio State are 282 miles away is beside the point.  In late October of 2010, there were strong straight line winds (some in excess of 100 mph) that swept through the Midwest and was quite a weather event.  It wasn't as if a little unexpected gust of wind killed the kid.  He was sent up in adverse conditions. 
                                                  Don't let your disdain for me cloud your facts and your judgment.
                                                  You're sunk.
                                                   
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                                                    Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 1:08 PM (permalink)
                                                    Y'know what? A kid died, and it's a tragedy. My daughter didn't know him personally, but some of her friends did. I can barely write about it without tearing up, and it has nothing to do with who roots for who.
                                                     
                                                    At Ohio State, some kids who are shut out of the system that profits from them tried to tap into the money flow. That's a tragedy, too. No one died, but I don't see how you can't be shocked by the injustice of it.
                                                     
                                                    Miami? Same thing. You can't assign a watcher and a chaperon to every athlete to make sure he or she isn't contacted by boosters with deep pockets, especially when the guy is skillfully scamming $900M; if he can get away with that, he can get away with bounty posting. It's smaller than small potatoes in the grand scheme of his crimes. These are KIDS. I know how totally unaccountable I was from 18-23 years old. Factor in everyone fawning over me and telling me how great I am because I can hit hard and run fast? Game over, pal. I'm going to believe I'm invincible and the rules don't apply. And you would, too. Heck EVERYONE that age believes that anyhow.
                                                     
                                                    I can't help but feel frustrated when fingers get pointed. Because the feeling I get when I see people get steamrollered by the system is helplessness. It's cascade failure, it builds its momentum until tragedy is inevitable.
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                                                      Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 1:25 PM (permalink)
                                                      Saps, I was on an airplane landing in Chicago the day that Declan Sullivan died, landing at Midway and coming from the west. You ever land at Midway from that direction? The plane takes a long, hard bank and turns about 270*, at a height of about 2500'. We were being buffeted and tossed like a toy; at one point I was just watching the wingtip and thinking, "Just don't change that angle and everything will be OK." I'm almost 60, I've flown a lot, and this was the first time I was ever worried. And it was the first time I'd ever seen flight attendants worried, too.
                                                       
                                                      If the plane would have crashed, everyone would have been wondering what idiot authorized the plan; but it didn't, and the questions were never asked. But further, if you think about the sets of decisions, you're going to have everyone thinking that it's OK because someone else says it's OK, right up to the pilot and copilot.
                                                       
                                                      And right up to Declan Sullivan himself.
                                                       
                                                      The system says, trust the system. Even when your own life is on the line, and you're not a 19 year old kid but an experienced pilot, you are hard wired to follow the system. The only way you can change it is to make having the ability to break the system part of it. If that's not there, then you get system failures.
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
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                                                        Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 1:55 PM (permalink)
                                                        Here's my problem- You have these weather conditions that go far beyond normal relatively high wind gusts.  You have warnings right on the lifts that say not to use in high winds.  You have a high-powered football program filled with authoritative figures and a 19 year-old kid that wants to keep his job and trusts these experienced people.  You have another coach about 300 miles away explicitly stating his concern about the lifts in this weather who ultimately brings practice inside.  Parents send their son to Notre Dame, where they think their child will be safe. 
                                                         
                                                        It's not a systemic failure when someone sends a subordinate into severely adverse conditions on equipment that has warnings on it to not use in those exact conditions.  Most of these scissors lifts have warnings not use in over 25 mph winds, and Declan Sullivan died in 50 MPH winds.  This was negligence, plain and simple. 
                                                         
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                                                          Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 3:29 PM (permalink)
                                                          Of course. Within the system, it was negligence. But how many people had the chance to stop it, and didn't, from the guys who pushed the lift out, to Sullivan himself? The deck was stacked, he couldn't even save himself because he wasn't able to break from the system that told him to do as he was told. Do you really doubt that if he'd said it wasn't safe, he'd have suffered any repercussions?
                                                           
                                                          If you're dead set in using Sullivan's death to prove that Kelly and Notre Dame are criminal, then it leads me to believe that you don't care about him.
                                                           
                                                          I can't write about him without seeing parents and college kids walking on quads, thinking about the future. I can't think about it without thinking about my own daughter, or Joe's kids at Penn State, or my neighbor's son in Afghanistan, or our friends' son who was in the car when another teenager who thought he was invincible went speeding down the road and into a tree, killing a third teenager. Or my nephew who is going to be a senior in high school, and he's a good kid who I hope doesn't make any stupid mistakes and learns to stand up for himself.
                                                           
                                                          Or, I could just say, I don't understand hate.
                                                           
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                                                            Re:2011-12 College Football Fri, 08/26/11 3:45 PM (permalink)
                                                            And now more good news from LSU----
                                                            Arrest warrants were issued Friday morning on felony charges of second-degree battery for Jordan Jefferson, QB at LSU. This after Police with a search warrant picked up 50 PAIRS OF SHOES at Jefferson's apartment on Thursday.
                                                            50 PAIRS OF SHOES????
                                                            Where does a college kid get enough money to buy 50 PAIRS OF SHOES????
                                                            Bad enough he allegedly almost kicked a kid to death but 50 PAIRS OF SHOES????
                                                            What booster owns a shoe store?
                                                            Source: Foxsports
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