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irishtom29

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35th St Red Hots, Chicago Wed, 01/13/10 10:04 PM (permalink)
"35th St. Red Hots" is an excellent hot dog stand at 35th and Normal, couple of blocks west of Sox Park. Nice Vienna in a casing with plenty of pop and fresh cut fries. This is pretty much all I can ask of a hot dog stand.
 

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    MilwFoodlovers

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    Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Wed, 01/13/10 10:23 PM (permalink)
    Fries look great. No sport peppers?
     
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      Michael Hoffman

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      Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Wed, 01/13/10 10:25 PM (permalink)
      Looks pretty good, and thank goodness it's not buried under one of those gardens.
       
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        Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Wed, 01/13/10 11:13 PM (permalink)
        Michael Hoffman


        Looks pretty good, and thank goodness it's not buried under one of those gardens.


        I second that. every Chicago dog doesn't have to be draged through the garden.
        nice fries too!
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          Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Wed, 01/13/10 11:17 PM (permalink)
          The dog you're looking at is referred to as a "Depression Dog"; similar to the modern CSD, but minus the tomato and pickle.  Peppers were optional.  Similar versions are served at Gene and Jude's, and the twin Maxwell Street dog houses; Jim's Original and Maxwell Street Original.

          Buddy
           
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            chicagoman

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            Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Thu, 01/14/10 1:12 AM (permalink)
            That's O'Mallery's which is onlt a couple of blocks from White Sox Park. Never went there and had them. After the picture glad I didn't. Been eating Vienna's forever. Grandfather started with a push cart in the '50's.
             
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              irishtom29

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              Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Thu, 01/14/10 1:48 AM (permalink)
              O'Malley's is a different place a couple of blocks west of 35th St. Red Hots; I guess I should'a made it clear that 35th St. Red Hots is the name of the joint, I'll edit the post accordingly. Thanks.
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                ScreamingChicken

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                Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Thu, 01/14/10 8:54 AM (permalink)
                BuddyRoadhouse


                The dog you're looking at is referred to as a "Depression Dog"; similar to the modern CSD, but minus the tomato and pickle.  Peppers were optional.  Similar versions are served at Gene and Jude's, and the twin Maxwell Street dog houses; Jim's Original and Maxwell Street Original.


                Is the bun plain or just light on poppyseeds?  Is that another difference between a DD and a CSD?
                 
                Brad
                 
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                  irishtom29

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                  Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Thu, 01/14/10 10:01 AM (permalink)
                  Brad----The bun is plain. I don't know what a DD or a CSD is, I just know I like 'em with mustard and relish.
                   
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                    saps

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                    Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Thu, 01/14/10 11:19 AM (permalink)
                    In my experience, the DD have plain buns.  Don't know if that's by design or just by happenstance.
                     
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                      BuddyRoadhouse

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                      Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Thu, 01/14/10 8:17 PM (permalink)
                      CSD=Chicago Style Dog; All beef hot dog, onion, mustard, relish, tomato, pickle, celery salt, sport peppers, all on a poppy seed bun.
                      DD=Depression Dog; All beef hot dog, onion, mustard, relish, sport peppers, all on a (usually) plain bun.

                      Hope you're taking notes.  There'll be a pop quiz on Friday.

                      Buddy
                       
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                        ChiTownDiner

                        Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Thu, 01/14/10 9:58 PM (permalink)
                        Oh teacher...I'll bring you an apple for the answers!
                         
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                          irishtom29

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                          Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Thu, 01/14/10 11:58 PM (permalink)
                          Never heard those terms. I've lived in Chicago 61 years, grew up on the West Side. First hot-dog stands I went to were at Madison and Pine; on the south side of Madison was an Italian beef stand called Dolly Joes that had a good hot dog and across the street was a little place run by an old Jew who sold some brand I haven't seen in years--Palestine 47 or something like that. There was a good Jewish deli a block west at Central.
                           
                          And a tavern called the Irish American Club where guys from the West---Sligo, Mayo and Galway---hung around. When I was 16 I got served in there because they knew my Old Man. I bought quarts of Meister Brau in there too.
                           
                          Before I got in my apprenticeship I worked at Berry Bearing in Oak Park with Jim Stefanovich's son; the kid didn't want to work at the Polish stand on Maxwell St.
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                            chicagostyledog

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                            Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Fri, 01/15/10 12:20 AM (permalink)
                            Buddy & friends,

                            The dog in the picture is know as a "Classic." The "Classic" is a natural casing hot dog, served on a squashed, plain, steamed bun, dressed with mustard, onions, and relish (not the neon green stuff), and sport peppers. The term "Depression Dog" originated from the old days when the cart vendors would dress hot dogs with various vegetables that were available at that time, probably from South Water Market. The Chicago style dog (CSD) found it's way nto existence when the Baroque condiments were added. They included the following: two slices or wedges of fresh tomato, a kosher dill pickle spear, a dash of celery salt, neon green relish, and the poppy seed bun. Gene & Judes and Jimmy's are two examples of Chicago hot dog stands still serving "Classic" Chicago hot dogs. The "Classic" guys are still tossing in a handful of fresh cut fries, just like the old days.

                            CSD PhD
                            Roosevelt & Keeler, circa 1947
                             
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                              chicagostyledog

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                              Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Fri, 01/15/10 12:27 AM (permalink)
                              Irishtom,

                              My uncle Jack was the deli man at Sam & Hy's on Roosevelt & Keeler. Do you remember Joe Stein's? It was a great steak house on Roosevelt (12th Street), near the Rena Theater. I attended Bryant and Sumner Schools before moving to Lincolnwood in 55'. My dad owned a drug store on the corner of Kedzie & Harrison. There's a police station there now. Did you ever go swimming at the Y near the Sears. Had my first Polish at Jim's Original on Maxwell Street. The smell of those grilled onions was just heaven.  Ahhh...those really were the good old days!
                               
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                                Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Fri, 01/15/10 1:54 AM (permalink)
                                chicagostyledog


                                Buddy & friends,

                                The dog in the picture is know as a "Classic." The "Classic" is a natural casing hot dog, served on a squashed, plain, steamed bun, dressed with mustard, onions, and relish (not the neon green stuff), and sport peppers. The term "Depression Dog" originated from the old days when the cart vendors would dress hot dogs with various vegetables that were available at that time, probably from South Water Market. The Chicago style dog (CSD) found it's way nto existence when the Baroque condiments were added. They included the following: two slices or wedges of fresh tomato, a kosher dill pickle spear, a dash of celery salt, neon green relish, and the poppy seed bun. Gene & Judes and Jimmy's are two examples of Chicago hot dog stands still serving "Classic" Chicago hot dogs. The "Classic" guys are still tossing in a handful of fresh cut fries, just like the old days.

                                CSD PhD
                                Roosevelt & Keeler, circa 1947

                                 
                                When I was going to U of I Medical School in Chicago (I went just one year....I think it was about 1955 or 1956), I lived in the new (at that time) dorm for the Medical Center on the corner of Polk and Wolcott near Ogden Ave.  (They were just building what was then called  the Congress St. Expressway....now the Eisenhower Expressway.)  I remember we would walk the two blocks west from the dorm to a fairly large hot dog stand with an open front (not a restaurant) on Ogden Ave. just north of and very close to the corner of Polk St. (Sorry, I don't remember the name of the place, since it was about 55 years ago.)  They made what you call the "Classic" dog.  I remember the hot dog so well because that was my first experience having a hot dog with sport peppers and fries on the bun, which really made a mouthful.  But I liked it, because it was so different from what I was used to.

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                                  irishtom29

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                                  Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Fri, 01/15/10 2:16 AM (permalink)
                                  chicagostyledog


                                  Irishtom,

                                  My uncle Jack was the deli man at Sam & Hy's on Roosevelt & Keeler. Do you remember Joe Stein's? It was a great steak house on Roosevelt (12th Street), near the Rena Theater. I attended Bryant and Sumner Schools before moving to Lincolnwood in 55'. My dad owned a drug store on the corner of Kedzie & Harrison. There's a police station there now. Did you ever go swimming at the Y near the Sears. Had my first Polish at Jim's Original on Maxwell Street. The smell of those grilled onions was just heaven.  Ahhh...those really were the good old days!

                                   
                                   
                                  Harrison and Kedzie? I was baptized at Lady of Sorrows just a few blocks from there, we lived at Monroe and Kedzie. I don't remember any of those places on 12th St, my Dad, an old West Sider who grew at 22nd and Millard might. He's 85 and still around and still talks about Lawndale. He says at one time half the stick-up men in Chicago were from 12th and Kedzie.
                                   
                                  We used to go swimming at the Keyman's Club at Madison and Cicero and we shopped at Madison and Crawford (that's how you tell us old West Side Irish, we still say "Crawford".  (South Side Irish say "Pulaski" and look at you funny when you say Crawford, they're from a different world) and my Dad was always taking me to the Sears on Homan and down to Maxwell St. He always bought a bag of bridge-mix from the Sears candy counter. Sometimes he'd go to the Brach's outlet store at their Lake St. factory. He also used to take me to the Home Run Inn for pizza back when it was just a tavern.
                                   
                                  I live at 14th and Michigan now and often eat at Manny's and the Mexico Steak House in Bridgeport. A new Italian beef and hot-dog stand called Angela's just opened in Bridgeport at Archer and Lock where Stan's used to be. Very tasty charcoal grilled Italian sausage and fresh cut fries. Beef is excellent too, I haven't tried the hot dogs yet.

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                                    Matt Gleason

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                                    Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Fri, 01/15/10 7:26 PM (permalink)
                                    I believe Palestine 47 are actually Best Kosher Sinai 48.
                                     
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                                      Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Fri, 01/15/10 8:02 PM (permalink)
                                      Gotta tell you guys, this stuff is really interesting. I mean it. It reminds me fondly of conversations about the old days in New Haven where I grew up.
                                       
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                                        Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Fri, 01/15/10 8:56 PM (permalink)
                                        So, when are you coming to Chicago, Michael?  Name the date and I'll put together a meeting of The Contingent to show you around town.

                                        And we'll get you a properly prepared hot dog while you're here.

                                        Buddy
                                         
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                                          Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Fri, 01/15/10 9:11 PM (permalink)
                                          BuddyRoadhouse


                                          So, when are you coming to Chicago, Michael?  Name the date and I'll put together a meeting of The Contingent to show you around town.

                                          And we'll get you a properly prepared hot dog while you're here.

                                          Buddy


                                          I don't know about getting to Chicago. It's too warm there in the winter for me. But the only trip I have planned so far this year is a visit to Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri to see my grandson. But it is something I'dreally like to do.
                                           
                                          Of course, I'd want to pass on any hotdog with tomatoes andpickles and peppers. That one you described as a Depression Dog looked mighty good, though. 
                                           
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                                            Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Fri, 01/15/10 11:34 PM (permalink)
                                            Michael, you can order the dog any way you want it.  Although, unless you've got an allergy to tomatoes and pickles you should at least try the full CSD.  Heck, I'll even buy it if you'll try it.

                                            Fort Leonard Wood, eh?  My Dad did boot camp there during the Korean War.  So, let's see, I'm guessing you'll take I-70 west out of of Ohio, through Indiana and Illinois to St. Louis.  So all you've got to do is turn right at I-57, go 200 miles north and we'll meet you at Jim's Original at Maxwell Street and I-94.  Seriously, you wouldn't drive 200 miles out of your way for a hot dog???

                                            Oh, and BTW, Jim's only serves the "Depression Dog", so no worries about the dreaded pickle and tomato.

                                            Buddy
                                             
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                                              Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Sat, 01/16/10 2:10 AM (permalink)
                                              Matt Gleason


                                              I believe Palestine 47 are actually Best Kosher Sinai 48.

                                               
                                              Maybe but I ain't so sure; I used to get Sinai Kosher hot dogs all the time and used to stop in at their outlet store on Pershing for hot dogs, pastrami and corned beef. Another good place gone.
                                               
                                              Or maybe I'm just befuddled, it happens. ;)
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                                                Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Sat, 01/16/10 8:45 AM (permalink)
                                                chicagostyledog


                                                ... Had my first Polish at Jim's Original on Maxwell Street. The smell of those grilled onions was just heaven.  Ahhh...those really were the good old days!



                                                CSD:  I stopped at Jim's Original last summer for a Polish.  They are just as good now as they were then.  Onions and all.  
                                                 
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                                                  chicagostyledog

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                                                  Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Sat, 01/16/10 10:58 AM (permalink)
                                                  Matt Gleason


                                                  I believe Palestine 47 are actually Best Kosher Sinai 48.


                                                  FYI: Back in the day, most hot dog stands in Chicago served Vienna Sausage Company or David Berg Company. David Berg is now part of Vienna Beef. There were also many stands serving hot dogs made by firms such as:

                                                  Leon's Sausages
                                                  Palastine Kosher Sausage Company
                                                  Sinai Kosher Sausage Company-Sinai 48
                                                  Kosher Zion

                                                  CSD
                                                   
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                                                    chicagostyledog

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                                                    Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Sat, 01/16/10 11:01 AM (permalink)
                                                    tsores, your making me hungry. Last year, I trained David Ross, a native Chicago boy. In December, David opened Dr. Dawg in Manitowoc, WI. He serves Polish the old fashioned way, off the grill with delicious grilled onions. www.drdawg.net

                                                    CSD
                                                     
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                                                      Michael Hoffman

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                                                      Re:35th St Red Hots, Chicago Sat, 01/16/10 11:45 AM (permalink)
                                                      BuddyRoadhouse


                                                      Michael, you can order the dog any way you want it.  Although, unless you've got an allergy to tomatoes and pickles you should at least try the full CSD.  Heck, I'll even buy it if you'll try it.

                                                      Fort Leonard Wood, eh?  My Dad did boot camp there during the Korean War.  So, let's see, I'm guessing you'll take I-70 west out of of Ohio, through Indiana and Illinois to St. Louis.  So all you've got to do is turn right at I-57, go 200 miles north and we'll meet you at Jim's Original at Maxwell Street and I-94.  Seriously, you wouldn't drive 200 miles out of your way for a hot dog???

                                                      Oh, and BTW, Jim's only serves the "Depression Dog", so no worries about the dreaded pickle and tomato.

                                                      Buddy

                                                      Actually, I've had a Chicago-style hot dog, and I really didn't care for it. I'm stuck with the ones I grew up with -- split, grilled and topped with dark mustard, relish and sauerkraut -- and sometimes chopped onions.
                                                       
                                                      As for the detour, that won't be ossible because of a time thing. But one of these days ... . 
                                                       
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