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Dude111

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    Michael Hoffman

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    RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 2:36 AM (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Dude111

    http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

    Interesting.

    Right. It's interesting if you're a screwball who believes the CIA-President Bush-Vice President Cheney and other membvers of the neocon cabal caused the entire thing.
     
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      porkbeaks

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      RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 8:35 AM (permalink)
      quote:
      Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

      quote:
      Originally posted by Dude111

      http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

      Interesting.

      Right. It's interesting if you're a screwball who believes the CIA-President Bush-Vice President Cheney and other membvers of the neocon cabal caused the entire thing.


      No matter who "caused" it or just "allowed it to happen", there are many questions about the collapse of these buildings that have never been answered. Also, the official version of the Pentagon attack is a bit hard to swallow. However, if you're one of those folks who still think Oswald acted alone, is positive Pearl Harbor was a "surprise" attack, or that the "incident" in the Gulf of Tonkin happened exactly the way our government told us it did, well then I have to wonder who is the real screwball.
       
      #3
        seafarer john

        RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 10:49 AM (permalink)
        It would help the conspiracy theorists a whole lot if they could convincingly argue for anyone other than terrorists to have set and exploded the purported thermite charges in those buildings. What possible motive could anyone other than the terrorists have to do such a thing? And why would they use the purported thermite charges when they were already planning to drive airplanes into the buildings?

        cheers, John
         
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          porkbeaks

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          RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 11:14 AM (permalink)
          quote:
          Originally posted by seafarer john

          It would help the conspiracy theorists a whole lot if they could convincingly argue for anyone other than terrorists to have set and exploded the purported thermite charges in those buildings. What possible motive could anyone other than the terrorists have to do such a thing? And why would they use the purported thermite charges when they were already planning to drive airplanes into the buildings?

          cheers, John


          The planes were never expected to bring the buildings down. Never has a steel building collapsed from fire. It would take demolition expertise to accomplish what occurred at the WTC. As far as who and why, that's for you to decide. Go to Google videos and watch the documentaries. Some do seem to be "over the top", but they all raise questions that we must consider. Here's one:
          http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4194796183168750014&q=9-11
           
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            RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 11:17 AM (permalink)
            John,

            I agree with your thoughts 100 percent.

            A related issue that bothers me a lot... Why do the survivors/dependents of the 9/11 victims have access to a huge fund designed to provide for those folks, when a GI killed just as dead by a terrorist has his family receive his GI Life Insurance benefits which amount to a fraction of what the average 9/11 victim families are receiving. This inequalty really galls me.
             
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              RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 12:17 PM (permalink)
              quote:
              Originally posted by seafarer john

              It would help the conspiracy theorists a whole lot if they could convincingly argue for anyone other than terrorists to have set and exploded the purported thermite charges in those buildings. What possible motive could anyone other than the terrorists have to do such a thing? And why would they use the purported thermite charges when they were already planning to drive airplanes into the buildings?

              cheers, John


              I think it was the man on the grassy knoll, with assistance from the Trilateral Commission and the people who faked the Apollo 11 moon landing.
               
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                jmckee

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                RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 12:18 PM (permalink)
                quote:
                Originally posted by Al-The Mayor-Bowen

                John,

                I agree with your thoughts 100 percent.

                A related issue that bothers me a lot... Why do the survivors/dependents of the 9/11 victims have access to a huge fund designed to provide for those folks, when a GI killed just as dead by a terrorist has his family receive his GI Life Insurance benefits which amount to a fraction of what the average 9/11 victim families are receiving. This inequalty really galls me.


                Al: From my wife: THANK YOU. She has been asking the same question for a long time, after seeing several fairly wealthy widows of 9/11 victims complaining about the possiblity of losing their comfortable lifestyle and large houses.
                 
                #8
                  Tony Bad

                  RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 12:23 PM (permalink)
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by porkbeaks

                  The planes were never expected to bring the buildings down. Never has a steel building collapsed from fire. It would take demolition expertise to accomplish what occurred at the WTC. As far as who and why, that's for you to decide. Go to Google videos and watch the documentaries. Some do seem to be "over the top", but they all raise questions that we must consider. Here's one:
                  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4194796183168750014&q=9-11


                  Take a look at[url='http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm']THIS[/url]

                   
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                    Michael Hoffman

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                    RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 12:46 PM (permalink)
                    quote:
                    Originally posted by Tony Bad

                    quote:
                    Originally posted by porkbeaks

                    The planes were never expected to bring the buildings down. Never has a steel building collapsed from fire. It would take demolition expertise to accomplish what occurred at the WTC. As far as who and why, that's for you to decide. Go to Google videos and watch the documentaries. Some do seem to be "over the top", but they all raise questions that we must consider. Here's one:
                    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4194796183168750014&q=9-11


                    Take a look at[url='http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm']THIS[/url]



                    Ah, Tony, you don't throw facts at nuts. You throw squirrels at nuts.
                     
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                      Fieldthistle

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                      RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 12:57 PM (permalink)
                      Hello All,
                      I love history, even majored in it at university. But
                      there are portions of history that give me such an intense,
                      personal sorrow, such as the American Civil War, the Holocaust,
                      and of late, the happenings on 9/11.
                      I believe in seeking truth when it comes to history, because
                      truth is a gift that we pass on to our children, grandchildren,
                      and the future. It is, in a strange way, holy to me.
                      Many people and people of notion do not believe we can trust
                      history or historians. Many people do not believe in
                      "Truth," but see that all things are relative to the situation,
                      relative to whether you are the victor or victim, relative
                      to how you can make the past an instrument of what you want
                      the present and future to be. Notion is word used that undermines the idea
                      that there something solid to believe in. They are sincere in
                      their beliefs and offer interesting perspectives.
                      There are some people who take a tragedy and exploit it for
                      profit. They don't care about truth or notions, but just
                      to make a name and profit for themselves at the expense of integrity.
                      They share this trait with a minority of politicians, a minority of politicians, I
                      repeat.
                      It is said it takes a generation or so to really write the history of a time period,
                      let the dust settle, delve into papers, documents held secret, and see the effects of
                      prior action before making judgments. Perhaps that so,...I don't know.
                      But I do know that there are intellectual whores in this world and well as seekers of
                      truth and pilgrims of notion.
                      Just be cautious, people, of what you accept and allow to become part of your mind,
                      soul, and voice. It is good to quest, but be cautious on what
                      you accept as the gospel.
                      Take Care,
                      Fieldthistle


                       
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                        porkbeaks

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                        RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 12:59 PM (permalink)
                        quote:
                        Originally posted by Tony Bad

                        quote:
                        Originally posted by porkbeaks

                        The planes were never expected to bring the buildings down. Never has a steel building collapsed from fire. It would take demolition expertise to accomplish what occurred at the WTC. As far as who and why, that's for you to decide. Go to Google videos and watch the documentaries. Some do seem to be "over the top", but they all raise questions that we must consider. Here's one:
                        http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4194796183168750014&q=9-11


                        Take a look at[url='http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm']THIS[/url]




                        Then take a look at[url='http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html']THIS[/url]
                         
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                          Michael Hoffman

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                          RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 1:09 PM (permalink)
                          quote:
                          Originally posted by porkbeaks

                          quote:
                          Originally posted by Tony Bad

                          quote:
                          Originally posted by porkbeaks

                          The planes were never expected to bring the buildings down. Never has a steel building collapsed from fire. It would take demolition expertise to accomplish what occurred at the WTC. As far as who and why, that's for you to decide. Go to Google videos and watch the documentaries. Some do seem to be "over the top", but they all raise questions that we must consider. Here's one:
                          http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4194796183168750014&q=9-11


                          Take a look at[url='http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm']THIS[/url]




                          Then take a look at[url='http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html']THIS[/url]


                          9-11 Research, also known as the Kooksville Bugle.
                           
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                            KOK

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                            RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 1:21 PM (permalink)
                            porkbeaks will believe what she/he believes and nothing will change porkbeaks mind. a vast majority of the rest of us will disagree with porkbeaks.

                            At one time I thought I owned the Brooklyn Bridge. Darn that deed looked real

                            Kevin
                             
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                              RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 1:33 PM (permalink)
                              The conspiracy nuts are constantly throwing WTC 7 up as "proof" of a controlled demolition. One fact always missing from their rants is this: Fireground commanders down to the rank of Captain knew that building was going to collapse as early as late morning on 11 Sept. (it collapsed approx 5 that afternoon). They determined this solely on deformation and slump due to the massive structural damage (from the collapse of WTC1) that had occurred in certain key areas of support along with the interior fires that were expected to eventually rage inside the building (which they did). That's why early on all suppression personnel were pulled from inside Bldg 7 and it was allowed to burn.

                              The firemen knew it was coming down. I suppose they were in on the conspiracy too.
                               
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                                Tony Bad

                                RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 1:36 PM (permalink)
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by enginecapt
                                The firemen knew it was coming down. I suppose they were in on the conspiracy too.


                                So you admit it!

                                 
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                                  enginecapt

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                                  RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 1:41 PM (permalink)
                                   
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                                    Pat T Hat

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                                    RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 2:28 PM (permalink)
                                    An inequality that galled me was the families were given funds based on the income and the income now lost for the lifetime the deceased.

                                    The ones that (more than likely) had the fat insurance policies and a financial cushion for their families were given more worth (thus bigger payment) than the blue collar "working man/woman". The ones that made it possble for the "successful" to be a success by showing up every day and doing all the grunt and service work to keep that vertical city up and running.
                                    That disparity is sickening and smacks of classism, elitism and other ism's! I guess you really can put a price on someones life after all. At the same time tell someone that their loved one had less value to society as another because of his income!
                                    I invite anyone to tell me to my face, my Mama (or anyones Mama) has less value than another because she was a cook (dishwasher, porter, dog catcher, whatever)and not a corporate mover, shaker, money maker.
                                    It's an open invitation to anyone who'd like to be set straight.

                                    Who's to say that some of the corporate big cheese's wouldn't end up working at a 7/11 or that the guy or gal working a snack bar wouldn't have invented and marketed the perfect mousetrap down the road?

                                    It truly defined for me who and what is more valued in this country and it sure isn't showing up every day to do the dirty, hard, and un-glorified work.

                                    As for our soldiers and their families, Mayor, I could not agree more.
                                    We should be appalled as an entire nation for what these folks endure for flag and country.
                                    Loopholes for employers to terminate employment, banks foreclosing on homes. The list of disrespect as we know goes on and on!
                                    Loyalty? Thankfully our soldiers still know what that means huh?.

                                    Well I guess the important thing is, those that already have more than anyone will ever need, are making even more on this war.
                                    Talk about your windfall profits! At least "big oil" doesn't cloak all their dough in patriotism.
                                    They'll at least lie to our face knowing we know, they know, we know, they're lying. At least that's some kind of convoluted honesty. Kind of like dealing with a spoiled brat.
                                    The military industrial machine is also alive and well and looking at another great quarter.
                                    If anyone's a stock holders in a company that's cashing in on this fiasco, on the backs of American children (that's what the majority are), I hope you choke on your dividend check...badly...go Heimlich yourself!

                                    Yes once again the "blue collar" grunts (and families) do without, shoulder the load and don't really complain. Bless each and every one of our military families for all their sacrifices!

                                    Some poor private is out there now. Doing KP or latrine duty (do they still do that or is that now contracted out too?) and I'll take more stock in him and place more worth on his life than any CEO or politico on the planet.
                                    Worthless is worthless...no matter how much ya got or hope to get. To be clear I'm not saying all "suits" are worthless.
                                    Just the money grubbing greedy bastards that would be willing to sell my nephews (or you and yours) life for an extra quarter point on the market or polls. What percentage of them would that be I wonder?
                                    We have established after all that we do put a price on an individuals entire life by judging what they might be doing today (that's pretty sad, especially if they're out of tommorows).
                                    It's just a matter of who's really getting paid and more importantly, for what!

                                    Why is it that the ones who are on the economic top looking down are the very first to say in any crisis "we're all in this together" (exception of course on pay day) and those who get looked down upon, the ones that clean up the mess made by others, are the ones that truly are?




                                     
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                                      MilwFoodlovers

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                                      RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 2:54 PM (permalink)
                                      Pat T Hat,
                                      Brilliant summation. Thanks for verbalising something I've felt for some time now. Bless our troops, all our troops.
                                       
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                                        Tony Bad

                                        RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 3:32 PM (permalink)
                                        quote:
                                        Originally posted by Pat T Hat

                                        An inequality that galled me was the families were given funds based on the income and the income now lost for the lifetime the deceased.

                                        The ones that (more than likely) had the fat insurance policies and a financial cushion for their families were given more worth (thus bigger payment) than the blue collar "working man/woman". The ones that made it possble for the "successful" to be a success by showing up every day and doing all the grunt and service work to keep that vertical city up and running.
                                        That disparity is sickening and smacks of classism, elitism and other ism's! I guess you really can put a price on someones life after all. At the same time tell someone that their loved one had less value to society as another because of his income!
                                        I invite anyone to tell me to my face, my Mama (or anyones Mama) has less value than another because she was a cook (dishwasher, porter, dog catcher, whatever)and not a corporate mover, shaker, money maker.
                                        It's an open invitation to anyone who'd like to be set straight.

                                        Who's to say that some of the corporate big cheese's wouldn't end up working at a 7/11 or that the guy or gal working a snack bar wouldn't have invented and marketed the perfect mousetrap down the road?

                                        It truly defined for me who and what is more valued in this country and it sure isn't showing up every day to do the dirty, hard, and un-glorified work.



                                        I don't disagree with what you say, but the compensation fund was intended to serve as a way to keep people from filing law suits against the government, airlines, whomever. If a high income individuals family went to court, the victim's actual and potential earnings would come into play, and any award would be based on this income amount. Not saying it is right, just what it is. In order for this fund to serve its intended purpose (to keep people from suing) higher income people had to be offered more. If the payments were a flat rate, with everyone getting the same, many would have felt it better to go to court, defeating the purpose of the whole exercise.

                                        Again, not saying what happened was right, just clarifying why there even were any payouts in the first place. It had nothing to do with victims being worth more than soldiers.

                                        I also seem to recall there being complaints that insurance payments were deducted in some cases, meaning you were penalized for having bought insurance.
                                         
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                                          Scorereader

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                                          RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 4:03 PM (permalink)
                                          quote:
                                          Originally posted by Dude111

                                          http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf

                                          Interesting.


                                          for a supposed theory open for critical examination, that is quite possibly the most misleading piece of filth I have ever read.

                                          I haven't the time nor patience to pick apart the many assumptions and presumptions that riddle the entire work. Suffice to say that when you base your theory on supposition without and hard facts, you lose all credibility. There's absolutely no proof that the building was rigged. None whatsoever. But the writer blows over that point by rationalizing the lack as evidence as a possible cover-up.

                                          The conclusion marks the terrorists as "ill-trained Muslims," which is a joke. They were in-fact trained well enough to carry out their plan to fly 4 planes into important structures. 3 of the 4 hit their mark.

                                          The statement: "ill-trained" makes you think they weren't clever enough to bring the buildings down on their own: ergo (which is a huge leap), something else helped bring down the towners.

                                          Ok, let's concede to the notion that the terrorists were "ill-trained." To that end I submit that their intent was not to actually bring the building down. The writer does not include the consideration that their ill-training actually led to a greater devastation because no one knew what could happen in this case.

                                          For example, in the 80's, a middle school student in my hometown got the bright idea to blow off a pineapple (1/4 stick of dynamite) in a garbage can that was built in to the wall. His intent was to have a big bang and destroy the garbage can and have the school let out for the rest of the day. Simple enough, right?

                                          What actually happened, to the surprise of him and the fire department, is that the papers inside the garbage cans caught fire and exploded out the can (both through the top and a hole in the front) and quickly started a fire across the hall where the hot refuse rested against a wall. The blast also blew a hole in the metal on the sides and back of the can and in the wall, which then caught on fire. What seemed like a localized fire with a little smoke, ended up burning down a large portion of the interior of that wing of the building. The school was closed for the last 6 months of school and the summer. The young man who created the blaze had no idea that would happen, possibly because he was stupid and certainly because he was naive.

                                          Anyone that knows fire, knows how completely unpredictable they are. Fires travel between walls and floors. Often, a fire will travel between floors to reach the other wall since it can't jump across the room. One may think you've put out the fire, but the fire is above you and you don't even know it because there's no apparent smoke. This is one reason a fire fighter pokes hole in everything.

                                          This is only one way in which this article is practically blasphemous. Other omissions of certain facts are darn right negligence. Like the fact that rapid air compression can cause pulverization. Or the fact that the planes didn't hit one floor, but rather hit several floors. The place that hit the south tower (which ended up falling first) hit the building at such and angle that 8 floors were simultaneously hit.

                                          One of the things he says he's looking for is replicatibilty. In science, anything that is replicable is explanable. The fact that no other building has fallen this way would stand to reason, since no other building complex in the world has ever been attacked like the world trade center. Computer models are just that, models. They exist in a vacuum, protected by what the computer knows. In the real world where people live and breath, things do not go as planned and there's no protection from unknown variables.

                                          If you believe the theory that the building was taken down by blasts, then you cannot possibly think that the terrorists were ill-trained. In fact, you would have to concede that they were expertly trained to time the explosions with precision to take the buildings down.
                                          And, then you would have to believe that the terrorists intended to bring the building straight down "in its footprint." Which would seem to be counter to the idea of mass destruction. Certainly an angled fall would've been even more debilitating to the city and our country. It's hard to believe any terrorists would take such care in making sure the building was blasted so "evenly" (as the article would make you believe)

                                          IF the intention is to make the argument that there were other people involved in taking the building down, other than the terrorists themselves, then "those people" must have felt so fortunate to have been given their opportunity to take the towers down under the veil of terrorism; Because it doesn't stand to reason that they would place cutter charges in a building and have them just sit there waiting for an attack so that they could be used. If the cutter chargers were in the building already, then they planned to take the building down without the help of some jet airplanes. Otherwise, the cutter chargers would just sit there waiting for the opportune time, all while never ever being detected by the various crews that serviced the building.

                                          what's interesting, is not the theory that Dude111 posted for us, but the fact that there are dupes like porkbeaks, who actually buy into the idea and perpetuate the fictional re-tellings and presumptions.









                                           
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                                            prisonchef

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                                            RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 5:09 PM (permalink)
                                            my hat is off to the designers of the wtc buildings. the largest plane at the time was a puny 707. these buildings held up-under the fire of thousands of gallons of JP3-which far exceeded what was expected as worst case secanrio of the time. to me it is amazing that the designers could so far over engineer a building while remaing within budget.
                                            the designers saved untold lives and should be appauled.
                                            as far as a conspiracy goes lets do what was done in world war 2. we confine all muslims just like we did the japanese. we take the fundementalist islamic leaders idea that all christians are the enemy to heart and act accordingly. idea sucks doesn't it??? so does the conspiracy theroies
                                            man got so upset i couldnt spel
                                            jack
                                             
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                                              Theedge

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                                              RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 8:00 PM (permalink)
                                              You can see videos of planes hitting the world trade centers. You can choose (I guess) to believe that they didn’t bring them down. The Pentagon is the interesting case, is there clear footage of that? Lot’s of missile conspiracies floating around, very convincing propaganda on youtube and the like. What I haven’t heard is where the people are at who would have been on the plane that hit the Pentagon. If it was a missile, not a plane, where did the passengers from the flight go? Why aren’t there families looking for them?

                                              You just can't keep a secret this big.
                                               
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                                                Pat T Hat

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                                                RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 9:06 PM (permalink)
                                                quote:
                                                Originally posted by Tony Bad




                                                If a high income individuals family went to court, the victim's actual and potential earnings would come into play, and any award would be based on this income amount. Not saying it is right, just what it is. In order for this fund to serve its intended purpose (to keep people from suing) higher income people had to be offered more.



                                                I remember that given as some of the reasoning. Bogus reasoning but a reason none the less.
                                                What I don't remember hearing is if all those who were paid had to sign away any future legal action (for whatever and against whomever isn't clear to me). I'm guessing they did. Especially by those who needed the dough.
                                                A lot of families lost their primary breadwinner in households that lived from pay day to pay day. They'd have signed anything to get bills paid and keep food on the table.

                                                I never heard anything about insurance money squashing down the payouts.
                                                If anything I'd believe it would have been the insurance companies trying to weasel out of their end.
                                                I'm still waiting for a reimbursement check from 1997 from some of those so & so's.

                                                As to the original topic. I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy. That said...come on!
                                                However it is curious as to why there is no Pentagon footage(at least that we know of). The most secure building in the world and there is nothing?
                                                Of course this is the Government we're talking about here so that's not even a beginning to a prima facie arguement of a conspiracy.


                                                 
                                                #24
                                                  Tony Bad

                                                  RE: 9/11 revisited Tue, 06/5/07 9:28 PM (permalink)
                                                  quote:
                                                  Originally posted by Pat T Hat

                                                  I remember that given as some of the reasoning. Bogus reasoning but a reason none the less.
                                                  What I don't remember hearing is if all those who were paid had to sign away any future legal action (for whatever and against whomever isn't clear to me). I'm guessing they did. Especially by those who needed the dough.


                                                  They did sign away their right to litigation by accepting the payment. I may be recalling incorrectly, but I believe that there were only 70 or so law suits, which is a very small number given the number killed or injured.

                                                  I agree that the way they did this was a slap in the face to some, but as far as meeting their objective of limiting law suits, it worked pretty well.
                                                   
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                                                    tiki

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                                                    RE: 9/11 revisited Wed, 06/6/07 4:55 AM (permalink)
                                                    quote:
                                                    Originally posted by Al-The Mayor-Bowen

                                                    John,

                                                    I agree with your thoughts 100 percent.

                                                    A related issue that bothers me a lot... Why do the survivors/dependents of the 9/11 victims have access to a huge fund designed to provide for those folks, when a GI killed just as dead by a terrorist has his family receive his GI Life Insurance benefits which amount to a fraction of what the average 9/11 victim families are receiving. This inequalty really galls me.

                                                    Here Here!!! galls me to no end that all the same "HOOREY FOR THE USA" politicians that CLAIM to support our troops, HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT! Makes you wonder if they know the difference between support for the TROOPS and support for the WAR! Personally i feel that any war where the troops aren't supported--FULLY-which includes AFTER they are done in the fighting--SHOULDNT be supportted!
                                                    I am also ticked of that all the VTEER that come to work at groung zero who were NOT local state, fed or city employees--many 100;s of them--are getting ZERO maedical assistance with the plethora of illnesses that hve come up as a result of working there! "Thye are not OUR employees, we dont have to cover them." So much for "honoring all our heros" Disgusting!
                                                     
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