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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/14 19:09:20 (permalink)
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So do you believe this is an immoral move? Becasue it is a legal move. Whether CSPI wins or not is irrelevant, they used a legal move to try to get what they want. Is the reason you are upset by what they are doing because you think it is immoral? Or illegal?
Frivolous lawsuits are illegal in most jurisdictions. This is clearly frivolous and without merit. That is what is offensive and repugnant to me.
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/15 01:51:38 (permalink)
One problem I have with frivolous lawsuits such as this (besides the fact that one frivolous lawsuit just encourages another) is that our courts are already overloaded with serious cases, and frivolous cases just make the backlog (and waiting time for a case to come before a court) even worse.

If a company is operating in a legal manner and not forcing any customer to partake of their particular services, there should be no basis for a legitimate lawsuit. Whatever has happened to an individual's freedom of choice? Are we so subservient to governmental, religious, political and other organizations for directions on how we must behave that we are no longer allowed to exercise our own freedom of choice?

Some good samples of ridiculous real lawsuits are at http://www.stellaawards.com/

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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/15 17:30:33 (permalink)
I'm really worried about the "big brother" attitude that we don't know how to take care of ourselves, so the government has to do it for us.

Earlier in this thread, someone mentioned the moral obligation of a company. Whose morals are we using? Peta? Vegan? Muslim? Orthadox Jew? All of these (and many others) would have very different moral ideals for our diets. If some one is going to decide what I should eat, drink or smoke, I want to know what their morals are based on.

The farther we get from individual responsibility and individual rights, the more concerned I get.
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/15 18:07:31 (permalink)
"all restaurants are now taco bell" Hmmm, what movie was that from? It somehow stuck in my mind, and scared me!!!
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/25 06:38:22 (permalink)
http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=3&issue=20060619


Regulation: The badly misnamed Center for Science in the Public Interest takes on Colonel Sanders in a suit to ban what it once recommended. This has nothing to do with either science or the public interest.

Those who remember Seinfeld's "Soup Nazi" shouting "No Soup For You!" whenever a customer strayed from his menu-selection protocol must have had a sense of deja vu when the CSPI sued American fast-food icon Kentucky Fried Chicken for its use of cooking oil containing trans fat.

In its latest lawsuit against the food industry, CSPI asked a Kentucky judge to order KFC to use other types of cooking oils and inform its customers just how much trans fat its food contains.

The irony here is that it was self-proclaimed consumer groups, among them the CPSI, that forced KFC and others to use trans fats in the first place.

KFC decided to use trans fats — vegetable oils altered to stay firm at room temperature — after being lobbied by CSPI. The Center for Consumer Freedom reminds us that CSPI said in 1988 in its Nutrition Action Newsletter: "All told, the charges against trans fat just don't stand up. And by extension, hydrogenated oils seem relatively innocent."

When it said that, the CSPI was also trying to get McDonald's to stop using beef tallow to cook French fries. Now it's saying exactly the opposite.

"It's galling," said J. Justin Wilson, research analyst with Consumer Freedom, "that the group largely responsible for harassing restaurants into switching to trans fat, would now sue these companies for bowing to its demands."

The lawsuit says KFC's use of trans fat betrays the company's "evil motive" and "intent to injure," and "recklessly put its customers at risk of a 'Kentucky Fried Coronary.' "

Let it be stipulated that it is not part of KFC's or any other food purveyor's business model to kill off paying customers.

KFC provides data on its Web site for interested customers, and brochures are provided in its restaurants. At some point, we presume, common sense and personal responsibility take over.

It does not take much consumer education or litigation to realize that a steady diet of extra crispy chicken legs, or bacon double cheeseburgers for that matter, isn't healthy long-term.

So is trans fat dangerous? Evidence suggests it temporarily raises your level of "bad" cholesterol and lowers your level of the good stuff. And Tufts University nutrition specialist Alice Lichtenstein says "there's no human requirement for trans fat."

But that's a long way from saying it kills you.

Dr. Scott Grundy, director of the Center for Human Nutrition at the University Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, told The New York Times last year that the alleged link between trans fat and heart disease was too weak to warrant any government action.

CSPI obviously believes people are too stupid to distinguish between healthy and unhealthy choices and activities. They seem to think most folks are brain-dead robots forced to walk into a fast-food joint and order so-called junk food, only to be saved by greedy lawyers — or by "Soup Nazis" obsessed with the idea that somebody, somewhere, might actually be enjoying himself.

Indeed, CSPI's executive director, Michael Jacobson, was once described by Matt Marshall of the Chicago Sun-Times as having "a mission in life — to take the joy out of America's favorite munchies, from burgers to pasta to popcorn." Don't invite him to your next Super Bowl party.

We know our rights. We believe we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them life, liberty and the pursuit of popcorn chicken.
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/26 11:53:41 (permalink)
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Originally posted by mbrookes

I'm really worried about the "big brother" attitude that we don't know how to take care of ourselves, so the government has to do it for us.



I think we know how to take care of ourselves just fine, the problem is we dont really know how to take care of each other anymore. Thats why individuals line their pockets without regard that their product may inflict harm upon others. Taking care of ourselves has never been the problem!

The morals I was posting about earlier with regards to a company is not necessarily a moral system but the belief that I would not knowingly inflict harm on a fellow human being. That I would care for my customers and their health and try to give them a good product that is also as healthy as it can be.
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/26 11:55:09 (permalink)
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Originally posted by PapaJoe8

"all restaurants are now taco bell" Hmmm, what movie was that from? It somehow stuck in my mind, and scared me!!!
Joe


Demolition Man with Sylvester Stallone, Wesley Snipes and Sandra Bullock.
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/27 14:07:41 (permalink)
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Originally posted by renfrew

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Originally posted by mbrookes

I'm really worried about the "big brother" attitude that we don't know how to take care of ourselves, so the government has to do it for us.



I think we know how to take care of ourselves just fine, the problem is we dont really know how to take care of each other anymore. Thats why individuals line their pockets without regard that their product may inflict harm upon others. Taking care of ourselves has never been the problem!

The morals I was posting about earlier with regards to a company is not necessarily a moral system but the belief that I would not knowingly inflict harm on a fellow human being. That I would care for my customers and their health and try to give them a good product that is also as healthy as it can be.
I guess I'd say that I don't want anyone else taking care of me. I'm a big boy and a rational adult and I don't need any "public service" group with a submerged agenda taking upon itself the role of telling restaurants and other businesses how to conduct business.
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/27 14:54:10 (permalink)
Right.. My brother loves KFC. He stays in good shape and KNOWS that KFC is bad for him. He limits his trips to once a month at most. It is a free country and he has the right to go, just as the KFC haters have the right to eat bean sprouts. He was saying just this morning that he would be very unhappy if KFC had to start serving "healthy" food.

What if I, being the incorrect guy that I am, started a movement to put a 25% income tax surcharge on people who are at their correct weight and who eat healthy? It is a good idea, because those folks will live for too long, and collect too much social security.

Like roadrash, my opinion is MYOB.
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/27 18:14:54 (permalink)
In my post above, I pointed to an article about this lawsuit...pointing out that it was CSPI who rallied behind the transfat oil products in the first place. They ballyhood any thoughts that transfats were worse than what the fast food industry was using and pushed for them to change.

Now they are behind the lawsuit that says transfats are bad.


Also, the insurance companies told us for years that larger vehicles (like suv's) were safer, and that justified a higher rate for smaller vehicles. A few years ago, they said SUV's cause more damage..rate hike. It's all just a shell game. Can charging healthy people more for health insurance be far behind?
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/27 18:21:49 (permalink)
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Originally posted by renfrew

I see this differently. Yes, frivolus lawsuits are bad in a general way. Unfortunately, they are also a tool that can be used. Do you think the plaintiffs actually care if they win? Whatever the official verdict, they have already won. The media is reporting on it, people are becoming aware and the pressure on the parent company to go healthier (YUM Brands) is now much stronger.

I dont think anyone honestly thinks that fried food is a healthier choice than say fresh veggies and brown rice. However, there are levels of healthiness in fried food. I would prefer to eat a piece of fried chicken that is trans-fat free than one that has an abundance of trans-fat. I am sure the plaintiffs did not just decide to sue KFC one day. This was probably an option after the normal lobbying efforts (phone calls, letter writing, etc) failed to convince KFC to change their cooking oil in favor of one that was more healthful.

So many fast food chains have vowed to cut their trans-fat usage. Seems that KFC was one of the holdouts and this lawsuit will make them change theirr minds, even if they officially "win" the case.
I really agree with you on this one. Yes, the lawsuit is outrageous however, the good that it produces is that it brings the problem in front of everyones face. Poor KFC, it's not only them but I guess they are one of the worst offenders. Too bad, it has to come to a stupid lawsuit with even more dumb ass lawyers involved. Lawyers give themselves a bad name.
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/27 18:31:20 (permalink)
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Sounds like someone needs to start a chain of healthy fried foods. Maybe it's time has come?
Joe
Right on Papa Joe. I have to admit I love fried foods-that's cause I'm from the south y'all...Wow,a healthy fried food joint-what would we call it??
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/27 19:56:44 (permalink)
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Sounds like someone needs to start a chain of healthy fried foods. Maybe it's time has come?
Joe
Right on Papa Joe. I have to admit I love fried foods-that's cause I'm from the south y'all...Wow,a healthy fried food joint-what would we call it??
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RE: Alert: KFC Fried Foods Unhealthy!! 2006/06/27 20:05:10 (permalink)
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Originally posted by pinkie

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Originally posted by PapaJoe8

Sounds like someone needs to start a chain of healthy fried foods. Maybe it's time has come?
Joe
Right on Papa Joe. I have to admit I love fried foods-that's cause I'm from the south y'all...Wow,a healthy fried food joint-what would we call it??
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