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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/07/11 02:02:06 (permalink)
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My recent issue of Cook's Country magazine included a recipe for a "North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce". It sounded good, although I have never had a North Jersey Texas wiener. I figured I'd give it a try and it was pretty good. Here's the recipe along with a link to a video of me making it.

"North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce"
   from Cook's Country magazine
 
1 tbsp vegetable oil
1 lb 85% lean ground beef
1 onion, chopped fine
3 tbsp tomato paste
1 tbsp chili powder
1 tsp brown sugar
1/4 tsp ground allspice
2 c chili sauce
1 c water
1/4 c hot sauce (Frank's Redhot is recommended)
2 tbsp worcestershire sauce
2 tbsp yellow mustard
 
1. Heat oil in large skillet over medium-high heat until shimmering.
Add beef and onion and cook until beef is no longer pink, about 5 minutes.
Stir in tomato paste, chili powder, brown sugar, and allspice and cook until
paste begins to darken, about 2 minutes. Add chili sauce and water and bring to boil.
Reduce heat to medium-low and simmer until mixture is thickened, about 7 minutes.
 
2. Transfer half of mixture to a food processor and process until
coarsely ground; return to skillet. Stir in hot sauce, worcestershire, and mustard.
Serve. (Sauce can be refrigerated in airtight container for 3 days.) Makes about 3 cups.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L65gdL6CrNw


I've tried a ton of hot dog sauces and have not found any one that can beat YOUR
"TDJ_TX Texas Hot - Wiener Sauce"! 
The best one yet!
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/07/11 10:27:56 (permalink)
The best chili sauce for hot dogs is found in a small area of the Mid-Hudson Valley as replicated by tdj-tx in his excellent recipe. It contains no ground beef and no allspice. It does have as a base ground up (leftover from yesterday) hot dogs - and these dogs are always a pork/beef mixture.

I like to north Jersey sauces and the sauce at Coney Island in Middletown NY, but I love the sauce as served at Dallas Hot Weiners in Kingston and Saugerties NY. 

Cheers, John  
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/07/11 11:41:42 (permalink)
I'm glad everyone is enjoying my hot weiner recipe. I saw this recipe and it sounded very interesting.  I recently made my sauce using ground beef instead of ground hotdogs and it was pretty good. I used less water and had to add a little more paprika and some garlic powder to make up for some of the seasoning that the hotdogs provide. I really miss Dallas Hot Weiners in Kingston. If I had the money I would open a hot weiner shop here in Austin.
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/07/11 12:27:29 (permalink)
Thursday, I stopped by Dallas Hot Wieners in Kngston and bought a pint of sauce to take home. I tried it on some Boars Head all beef  hot dogs - it didn't work at all. That's a good dog and that's a good sauce, but they do nothing for each other - you got to have the right kind of dog...

BTW: We had our first local corn of the year a few days ago. It came from Davenport's Farm in the Rondout Valley - excellent!!! The stuff we've been getting from Jersey has been tough old and tasteless... 

Cheers, John 

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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/07/11 12:37:26 (permalink)
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Thursday, I stopped by Dallas Hot Wieners in Kngston and bought a pint of sauce to take home. I tried it on some Boars Head all beef  hot dogs - it didn't work at all. That's a good dog and that's a good sauce, but they do nothing for each other - you got to have the right kind of dog...

BTW: We had our first local corn of the year a few days ago. It came from Davenport's Farm in the Rondout Valley - excellent!!! The stuff we've been getting from Jersey has been tough old and tasteless... 

Cheers, John 

Try the sauce on Hebrew National's all beef. That's what I use to makeTdj_ Tx's recipe and it works great.
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/08/16 14:26:39 (permalink)
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Thursday, I stopped by Dallas Hot Wieners in Kngston and bought a pint of sauce to take home. I tried it on some Boars Head all beef  hot dogs - it didn't work at all. That's a good dog and that's a good sauce, but they do nothing for each other - you got to have the right kind of dog...

BTW: We had our first local corn of the year a few days ago. It came from Davenport's Farm in the Rondout Valley - excellent!!! The stuff we've been getting from Jersey has been tough old and tasteless... 

Cheers, John 


Man I miss the sweet corn up there. We used to buy huge sacks of it from a road side stand in Hurley NY. There are so many things I miss, two being the sweet corn and Dallas Hot Weiners.
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/08/16 14:29:45 (permalink)
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Thursday, I stopped by Dallas Hot Wieners in Kngston and bought a pint of sauce to take home. I tried it on some Boars Head all beef  hot dogs - it didn't work at all. That's a good dog and that's a good sauce, but they do nothing for each other - you got to have the right kind of dog...

BTW: We had our first local corn of the year a few days ago. It came from Davenport's Farm in the Rondout Valley - excellent!!! The stuff we've been getting from Jersey has been tough old and tasteless... 

Cheers, John 

Try the sauce on Hebrew National's all beef. That's what I use to makeTdj_ Tx's recipe and it works great.


I agree, Hebrew National does go well with this sauce.
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/09/03 21:04:44 (permalink)
I made this recipe tonight. Two facts: First, I grew up in Oakland, NJ ate at Johnny & Norm's in Oakland and Clixes in Wyckoff and both served astonishing hot dogs. Second, this recipe should not even be classified as food!!!
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2010/09/03 23:45:31 (permalink)
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I made this recipe tonight. Two facts: First, I grew up in Oakland, NJ ate at Johnny & Norm's in Oakland and Clixes in Wyckoff and both served astonishing hot dogs. Second, this recipe should not even be classified as food!!!


What Recipe are you talking about??????
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2011/01/24 00:27:46 (permalink)
Almost TEN THOUSAND views and only a few feedback blurbs of the recipe?
 
I would love to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly. Was your result over the top or a total flop? I am just trying to gauge the general reaction.... after all, it's not my recipe anyway.
 
But really, if you have tried it please let me know your thoughts THANKS
post edited by ocalaFL - 2011/01/24 00:37:48
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2011/04/01 04:07:56 (permalink)
Well, this recipe isn't from Libby's Lunch or the Hot Grill. There are no tomato products in the original "all the way" sauce.
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2011/04/01 10:28:00 (permalink)
tdj-tex posted a very good replica of the north jersey/hudson valley sauce here on roadfood about two years ago. Using his recipe and a bit extra nutmeg gets you very close to the typical north jersey sauce.
 
Cheers, John  
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2011/04/06 01:10:38 (permalink)
Can I get something clarified here?
 
A. Is this the sauce [ i.e. with ground beef] that is being described as inedible & inauthentic with respect to  North Jersey ALL THE WAY SAUCE?
 
B. This ground beef sauce works well on Hebrew National but not Boar's Head all-beef franks?
"North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce"
   from Cook's Country magazine
 
1 tbsp vegetable oil
1 lb 85% lean ground beef
1 onion, chopped fine
3 tbsp tomato paste
1 tbsp chili powder
1 tsp brown sugar
1/4 tsp ground allspice
2 c chili sauce
1 c water
1/4 c hot sauce (Frank's Redhot is recommended)
2 tbsp worcestershire sauce
2 tbsp yellow mustard
 
1. Heat oil in large skillet over medium-high heat until shimmering.
Add beef and onion and cook until beef is no longer pink, about 5 minutes.
Stir in tomato paste, chili powder, brown sugar, and allspice and cook until
paste begins to darken, about 2 minutes. Add chili sauce and water and bring to boil.
Reduce heat to medium-low and simmer until mixture is thickened, about 7 minutes.
 
2. Transfer half of mixture to a food processor and process until
coarsely ground; return to skillet. Stir in hot sauce, worcestershire, and mustard.
Serve. (Sauce can be refrigerated in airtight container for 3 days.) Makes about 3 cups.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L65gdL6CrNw
 
C. There is ANOTHER recipe, also published by Tdj_Tx a while back for NJ ALL THE WAY SAUCE which uses NO ground beef but ONLY ground up beef/pork dogs. His recipe + more tomato & nutmeg approximates a golden ideal.
By inference, this sauce should ONLY be used on beef/pork dogs.
 
Please reprise that sauce recipe here to clear up this confusion.
 
Thanks much.
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2011/04/06 01:24:50 (permalink)
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Can I get something clarified here?

A. Is this the sauce [ i.e. with ground beef] that is being described as inedible & inauthentic with respect to  North Jersey ALL THE WAY SAUCE?

B. This ground beef sauce works well on Hebrew National but not Boar's Head all-beef franks?
"North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce"
   from Cook's Country magazine
 
1 tbsp vegetable oil
1 lb 85% lean ground beef
1 onion, chopped fine
3 tbsp tomato paste
1 tbsp chili powder
1 tsp brown sugar
1/4 tsp ground allspice
2 c chili sauce
1 c water
1/4 c hot sauce (Frank's Redhot is recommended)
2 tbsp worcestershire sauce
2 tbsp yellow mustard
 
1. Heat oil in large skillet over medium-high heat until shimmering.
Add beef and onion and cook until beef is no longer pink, about 5 minutes.
Stir in tomato paste, chili powder, brown sugar, and allspice and cook until
paste begins to darken, about 2 minutes. Add chili sauce and water and bring to boil.
Reduce heat to medium-low and simmer until mixture is thickened, about 7 minutes.
 
2. Transfer half of mixture to a food processor and process until
coarsely ground; return to skillet. Stir in hot sauce, worcestershire, and mustard.
Serve. (Sauce can be refrigerated in airtight container for 3 days.) Makes about 3 cups.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L65gdL6CrNw

C. There is ANOTHER recipe, also published by Tdj_Tx a while back for NJ ALL THE WAY SAUCE which uses NO ground beef but ONLY ground up beef/pork dogs. His recipe + more tomato & nutmeg approximates a golden ideal.
By inference, this sauce should ONLY be used on beef/pork dogs.

Please reprise that sauce recipe here to clear up this confusion.

Thanks much.

Not sure what you mean by "Please reprise that sauce recipe". I'll let tdj_tx speak for himself but all I know is his sauce is darn good and IMHO, not limited as to what you can put it on dogwise or otherwise. It goes well with everything! I even put it on hamburgers and spaghetti! (Haven't tried it on Cheerios yet)
post edited by Foodbme - 2011/04/06 01:26:19
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2011/04/06 15:44:30 (permalink)
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Can I get something clarified here?

A. Is this the sauce [ i.e. with ground beef] that is being described as inedible & inauthentic with respect to  North Jersey ALL THE WAY SAUCE?

B. This ground beef sauce works well on Hebrew National but not Boar's Head all-beef franks?
"North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce"
   from Cook's Country magazine
 
1 tbsp vegetable oil
1 lb 85% lean ground beef
1 onion, chopped fine
3 tbsp tomato paste
1 tbsp chili powder
1 tsp brown sugar
1/4 tsp ground allspice
2 c chili sauce
1 c water
1/4 c hot sauce (Frank's Redhot is recommended)
2 tbsp worcestershire sauce
2 tbsp yellow mustard
 
1. Heat oil in large skillet over medium-high heat until shimmering.
Add beef and onion and cook until beef is no longer pink, about 5 minutes.
Stir in tomato paste, chili powder, brown sugar, and allspice and cook until
paste begins to darken, about 2 minutes. Add chili sauce and water and bring to boil.
Reduce heat to medium-low and simmer until mixture is thickened, about 7 minutes.
 
2. Transfer half of mixture to a food processor and process until
coarsely ground; return to skillet. Stir in hot sauce, worcestershire, and mustard.
Serve. (Sauce can be refrigerated in airtight container for 3 days.) Makes about 3 cups.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L65gdL6CrNw

C. There is ANOTHER recipe, also published by Tdj_Tx a while back for NJ ALL THE WAY SAUCE which uses NO ground beef but ONLY ground up beef/pork dogs. His recipe + more tomato & nutmeg approximates a golden ideal.
By inference, this sauce should ONLY be used on beef/pork dogs.

Please reprise that sauce recipe here to clear up this confusion.

Thanks much.

It is confusing, hot dog sauces as well as favorite hot dog brands vary so much from region to region. I do prefer the Hebrew National dogs as well as Nathan's all beef. The Boars Head beef dogs are good but they have a natural casing which has a nice snap to it when you bite it. I prefer those with just mustard and sauerkraut. My original recipe posting for Mid-Hudson Valley Texas Hot Weiner Sauce is basically a clone of a sauce served by my beloved Dallas Hot Weiners in Kingston NY. When we moved to Texas I missed them so much I had to create a sauce that was very close. Many recipes are very tightly held family recipes and it's really hard to truly clone them. A friend of mine's family owned a deli in Kingston where they sold hot weiners. He could only tell me that the main ingredient was ground hot dogs, so I started with that. One Kingston family started selling their sauce commercially. I bought a jar and brought it back to Texas. They have to include the ingredients  on the label, in order of amounts. I just used that to reverse engineer the sauce. After tweaking it for years I came up with something that my family really liked, I posted it here and others tried it and like it as well.
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2011/04/08 12:21:14 (permalink)
I have made this reciepe and this is the best!!!! Takes time to make but it makes a lot and freezes well so it's worth the effort.
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2011/10/14 16:14:08 (permalink)
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I went there [Clixes] once some years ago on a Sunday and they were closed that day.

 
Clix Pruiksma was very much a Christian, so I was never surprised to see the "Closed On Sundays" sign.
 
It was a family place in the truest sense of the phrase. Whole families would go there regularly (ours did), and it was family run. I miss them....
 
 
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2011/10/14 16:30:45 (permalink)
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"North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce"
   from Cook's Country magazine
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With due respect to Mr Chris Kimball, publisher of Cook's Country, this recipe is not for an authentic Paterson-area sauce. I could make a remark about his bow tie having perhaps been on too tight when this was taste-tested and chosen, but he hailed from New England, not NE New Jersey, and should be excused as he is unlikely to ever have experienced one all the way. It sounds like a great hot dog topping, but it's not a Jersey Wiener sauce. He does lose a ton of cred, however, for his publication having recommended yellow library paste (that disgusting tumeric emulsion) instead of honest-to-john mustard.
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2011/10/14 16:58:39 (permalink)
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"North Jersey Texas Wiener Sauce"
   from Cook's Country magazine
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With due respect to Mr Chris Kimball, publisher of Cook's Country, this recipe is not for an authentic Paterson-area sauce. I could make a remark about his bow tie having perhaps been on too tight when this was taste-tested and chosen, but he hailed from New England, not NE New Jersey, and should be excused as he is unlikely to ever have experienced one all the way. It sounds like a great hot dog topping, but it's not a Jersey Wiener sauce. He does lose a ton of cred, however, for his publication having recommended yellow library paste (that disgusting tumeric emulsion) instead of honest-to-john mustard.

Chris didn't have a say in this recipe, it was a reader's submitted recipe to the "Looking for a Recipe" section of the magazine. She lives in Potomac Md but said while growing up her and her sisters spent summers on the Jersey shore where she was introduced to this sauce. I guess it's her interpretation of it. It's not bad but I agree with you on the yellow mustard, I don't care much for it either. I always make a recipe verbatim the first time then improve on it if needed.
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2012/04/26 09:43:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I lived in NJ at one time and have frequented a few joints with "all-the-way" sauce. I preferred Hanges or the Hot Grill for local haunts, for some reason I felt Clixes was not quite there with their sauce. Just my opinon. I have tried your recipe ocalaFL because I have not had any "all-the-way" sauce in a number of years. After assembling my dog (bun, dog, onion, sauce) I closed my eyes and took a bite. It's very close to what I remember, even down to the aftertaste  and I am a happy chappy. Thanks for sharing!
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2012/04/27 17:12:16 (permalink)
Thanks Transplant. I appreciate your review.
I was just making this today and decided to check in to see if anyone had left comments lately, and there you were.
The aftertaste is most definitely there, however after modifying the recipe more for my taste, I like it even more (and now it REALLY has an aftertaste that just makes you want more). Here is how I have changed it:
 
I do not put in ginger or nutmeg.
I have changed the amounts for the following -
2 medium onions
12oz tomato paste
3 tsp chili powder
4 tsp cumin
1 tsp cinnamon
1 tsp cayenne
Salt is now Kosher and I use White Pepper
 
Everybody I have made this for all agree it was a major improvement, not that it needed any but I personally believe it has a more unique flavor. The dogs I currently use are Oscar Mayer Angus smoked uncured beef franks and either cook them in the broiler or on the BBQ. They are expensive but they go together very well.
 
I hope to see some reviews with the changes since summer is coming up and backyard bbq's will be commonplace on the weekends. I thought I would have seen more activity here because of the over 20,000 views so far. Hope to see you review the tweaked recipe!
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2012/08/14 15:28:57 (permalink)
Is anybody going to try making this for the upcoming Labor Day weekend?
Cutting the recipe in half is just fine if you do not want to commit to something new and just have it as an option along with your regular toppings for the dogs.
 
Now would be the time to get the ingredients and plan for a good half day of cooking and simmering. If anyone is going to try, I would suggest following my modifications a few posts back. It seems to please more people for some odd reason.
 
I do hope there are a few people that will test the recipe and come back to post their results.    :)
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2012/08/14 18:44:30 (permalink)
Ocala, fl,
I updated your recipe and I'm gonna make some this week, HOWEVER, I'm gonna steal TDJ_TX's idea and use 2# of finely chopped up hot dogs instead of the ground beef and see what happens. I'll let you know!
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2013/04/11 21:30:55 (permalink)
Has anybody compared my originally posted recipe to the one where everything goes into a big pot and gets simmered? There is absolutely no tomato product at all.
I know it is called a Greek Hot Dog Sauce and have seen a few recipes that come close to what I have in my ingredient list but the procedure is not the same.
 
I may just have to try one of them and see how it does in a taste test. Anybody know of a close contender?
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2013/05/21 20:37:59 (permalink)
Just made a fresh batch, and the kitchen smells GREAT!
I almost took a bite before taking the picture " />" />
Here is a picture to get your mouth watering:

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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2013/12/02 17:21:57 (permalink)
This stuff is a hit for New Years Eve. I made a big batch today and stuck it in the freezer to thaw the day before.
 
Anybody else planning on making it for their party?
 
 
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Re:Authentic New Jersey "All-The-Way" Sauce (a.k.a.: Coney, Texas Weiner, Chili, etc.) 2014/04/24 18:53:33 (permalink)
I made your modified recipe (page 3) last weekend and it was EXCELLENT! Thank you so much for posting it and sharing with everyone. We need more people like you who reveal their prized recipes and not hide them away as being a family secret.
I was thinking of starting a hot dog stand or maybe a cart - now with this recipe I am very seriously thinking about it :)
Definitely going to make this again soon for a party I am having and will get feedback on it and will let you know the result.
Cheers!
 
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