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2006/03/08 21:20:18 (permalink)

Barry Bonds

Hopefully, when this is all over, Roger Maris can rest peacefully with his home run record returned to him. Guys like Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, and Palmeiro have turned home runs into a joke, while fools like Dusty Baker and Tony LaRussa run interference for them.

And the biggest fool of them all, the used car salesman, Bud Selig, is complicit in all of this. During his reign, baseball has become a bit better than pro wrestling. Steroids, expansion, and band-box ballparks have turned a once great sport into a charade. Of all sports, baseball has a large focus on individual records, many of which have been soiled by the scum of the steroid era.

Hopefully, the evidence is enough to toss Bonds out of baseball. Anybody who thinks Bonds doesn't use steroids is missing eyes, brains, or both. After Selig removes Bonds, he should do another service to baseball, and step down himself.

Finally, if your a baseball fan, don't support these guys anymore. I've been down on the sport for the last several years, rarely going to games, but now, I'm done. I'm not supporting this crap anymore, whether going to games or watching them on TV, until the sport is cleaned up, Bonds and Selig are gone and none of the guys that I've mentioned get into the Hall of Fame. I'll throw my $$$ at at a cleaner sport that's not a sham; maybe something like boxing or roller derby.

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    stevencarry
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/08 21:40:02 (permalink)
    You won't be watching sports again. It's all about money and media. When any employee makes 10 times what their supervisor makes...forget it. If you made $10 million a year and tons of people mobbed you everyday telling you how fabulous you are and wondering your opinion on unreleted issues you know nothing about you might become the monsters these people are. What about football. I have no interest in T.O.,Randy Moss etc but that's all you hear....Basketball, Ron Artest etc it's all bad.
    Today's headline "Culpepper tells Minnesota he want's out" palease
    Read my post in the flame wars thread to see how I let it go.
    By the way...there is no hall of fame (if Pete Rose is not in it)
    Excuse me, I have to get back to The Daily Show.
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/08 22:05:18 (permalink)
    I gave up on sports maybe 10 years ago.
    I think Marx had it wrong; sports is the opiate of the masses.
    I think my innocence was lost when team owners forced the taxpayers into subsidizing their business.
    When I watched the HBO documentary "When it was a game", I realized how much things had changed and not for the better.
    I was a charter member of the Milwaukee Braves knothole club and probably still can rattle off the 57 Braves stats. Ah innocence lost.
    Now where does one get to watch roller derby
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/08 22:19:02 (permalink)
    Since you gave up sports 10 years ago I have an update, your old Milwaukee catcher Joe Torre won a few world series as a manager.
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/08 22:55:14 (permalink)
    No sport is going to ever be completely clean or devoid of crap, but Major League Baseball continues to think of the fans as idiots and insults our sensibilities. The NFL didn't need prodding to institute drug testing and does an adequate job of policing itself- Baseball, on the other hand, would love to just sweep all of this under the table. Baseball has been parading and profiting off of it's steroid freaks- to the point that Congress gets involved? Pretty sad.

    Football has more of a focus on team. If a guard gets lazy and misses a block, someone gets crushed. It's the only sport out of the majors where your mistakes can get someone else hurt. It has it's problems and its egos, but individual achievement isn't valued as much as it is in MLB or eve worse, pro basketball, which totally sucks. Hoops is a game that I prefer to play rather than watch, anyway.

    With all major sports, money, greed, and media are a given. But Major League Baseball is the only one that patronizes us and laughs directly in our collective faces while doing it.

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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/08 22:55:19 (permalink)
    Baseball is a great game. It survives the fools who run it and the s.o.b's who play it. Watching Panama play Cuba and Canada upend the U.S.A today in the World Baseball Cup , I was reminded how wild and unpredictable the game is. Barry Bonds is an arrogant jerk who sullied the game but baseball will survive.
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/08 23:30:35 (permalink)
    John, another factor is who is supporting MLB now adays? Not real fans.
    Our PacBell Park drew 3 million fans with a bad team losing and Barry Bonds sitting at home in Beverly Hills refusing the club's phone calls.
    The reason is they have figured out if you build a nice park in a location where people want to go after work and hang out talking on their cellphones, playing on their laptops,having dinner,drinks etc.and do stuff in the neighborhood after (even live!!) you don't need to win.

    And I know football doesn't require the downtown "ballpark", but when our 49ers won five super bowls no one EVER said we needed a new stadium, but once you start losing, all of the sudden it's that rotten stadium out in the ghetto.
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/08 23:33:17 (permalink)
    Baseball is a great game. That's why what's being done to it is so outrageous. Selig and his cronies may own teams, but they don't own the game. They are just caretakers, and horrible ones at that.
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 01:33:25 (permalink)
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    Originally posted by stevencarry



    And I know football doesn't require the downtown "ballpark", but when our 49ers won five super bowls no one EVER said we needed a new stadium, but once you start losing, all of the sudden it's that rotten stadium out in the ghetto.



    To be fair, please recall that the team fell into the clutches of a family who lives in Ohio or somewhere and runs malls for a living and couldn't care less about San Francisco or the Bay Area or anything else but making money, and who understandably believes a new stadium with lots of high-priced luxury boxes they could rent to lobbyists and businesses (so they can dole out the use thereof to politicians and others they want to influence) would be a really good thing. Oh, and lucky for them they had the perfect guy for this idea in Room 200 (the Mayor's Office) when they floated it:



    Da Mayor (as he liked to be called) not only loved schmoozing with the ultra rich but he figured he could get something for his voters out in Bayview (a fancy new mall adjacent to the new stadium with lots of attached jobs).

    The thing about Candlestick that makes it s_ck in my book is that it's nearly impossible to get there on public transportation whereas ATT/SBC/PacBell Park has a Muni stop right out front--and it's beautiful AND it has that Roadfood icon, the Java House right next door.



    From downtown SF it's easier to get to the Oakland Coloseum and a Raiders game (on BART) than to Candlestick (or 3-Com or whatever it's called these days).

    Oh yeah--Bonds. The guy's a jerk and I sure won't miss him even though it'll mean far fewer balls going into the Bay which was always a fun thing.

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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 01:47:20 (permalink)
    The truth is it's the same family except it's the cheap M.D. brother in law. Now there's a football man (nothing against drs., Dr.) They started winning (5 Super Bowls) when Eddie deBartelo Jr. the Youngstown, Ohio son of the founder of Simon-DeBartelo now www.simon.com one of the largest shopping mall owners in the USA bought the team. The downfall came when Eddie was found to be involved with a crooked casino in LA. and the NFL made him sell out to his sister who put the good Dr. in charge and hello losing,losing,losing
    Oh, and a new stadium and mall in the ghetto does not work because besides obvious reasons the NFL is played 24 hours a year (without playoffs) Think about it....24 hours of game time the whole year.
    Yes, 8 home games times 3 hours a game = nuff said

    PS, I take it you dress as sharp as Willie.
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 04:05:36 (permalink)
    As far as I know, Eddie had the good sense and good graces to live, or at least hang out, in the Bay Area while he owned the team. It's the sister and her husband who stayed wherever they live in the midwest and ran the franchise into the cellar while concentrating on the real estate empire. In other words, I don't see that we disagree about that.

    As far as a replacement for Candlestick, I don't see your logic at all. You're right that it probably wouldn't work as a stadium PLUS a mall but that's because I doubt anyone would shop at the mall (unless, of course, it contained a Wal-Mart Supercenter or some other form of shopping found nowhere else in San Francisco). It would be as out of the way and hard to get to as Candlestick is now. And if, as you keep saying, it were really in the "ghetto", that might be less of a problem because it might be reachable by the new "T" Muni line, but it was to be next to Candlestick--out on a windy point of land in the Bay. On the other hand, it's possible a stadium alone might work, especially if the City helped fund it in a big way. It might because new stadiums depend, as I have said, on big-bucks deals for luxury space and "seat licenses", not on selling bleecher seats to the hoi poloi, and the luxury space purchasers don't care how many hours games get played. They don't go anyway. Like I said, they hand out access to the boxes and suites to business associates and politicians--in other words, they are a gentlemanly form of bribe and the return on that has nothing to do with how many hours of football gets played in the stadium. But San Francisco voters (like me, but, alas, not you) aren't dumb enough to cough up for any of this. Mayor Willie's offer was for the land only--no cash--and that's the best any team will do in our town. And I don't think it's enough to get a new stadium built. So in the end, you may be right for the wrong reasons.

    You could compare my dress to Willie's if he also shopped at Old Navy rather than Wilkes Bashford. I'm retired and I eat Roadfood. Why do I need Brioni? To be buried in? But I do have a genuine Montechristo Panama hat--more or less like he's wearing in the pic (mine has a black band, though. I bought it years ago because making them is a dying art and they really are art.
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 10:50:13 (permalink)
    BT, You and I have more in common than I thought. I have a mid-high grade Panama custom made for me by www.panamahatsdirect.com in Ecuador. There are lots of people still making them, it's big business down there and the American dollar is their currency so that makes it easy.

    If you moved to Marin you could take the ferry to both Candlestick and PacBell so that would solve that problem.

    And I mentioned the area around Candlestick because besides the obvious I have to say two different times I tried cutting away from the pack of cars trying to get out of there and found myself in a really scary place very close to the park. Never again, I am staying in gridlock! That is why I say there is no way a mall/stadium would draw people to that area.

    Exact same thing in Oakland. They want to build something like that in the parking lot of the Colisium. Forget it. No one wants to go to murder central. I use Oakland for domestic air and I don't even like going in and out of there.
    If they built it by Jack London Square all those bedroom community people in the 680 corridor would come out and spend money, guaranteed.

    Thanks for describing the hot sauce and yes I just never looked at the name on it!
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 13:28:59 (permalink)
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    BT, You and I have more in common than I thought. I have a mid-high grade Panama custom made for me by www.panamahatsdirect.com in Ecuador. There are lots of people still making them, it's big business down there and the American dollar is their currency so that makes it easy.

    If you moved to Marin you could take the ferry to both Candlestick and PacBell so that would solve that problem.

    And I mentioned the area around Candlestick because besides the obvious I have to say two different times I tried cutting away from the pack of cars trying to get out of there and found myself in a really scary place very close to the park. Never again, I am staying in gridlock! That is why I say there is no way a mall/stadium would draw people to that area.

    Exact same thing in Oakland. They want to build something like that in the parking lot of the Colisium. Forget it. No one wants to go to murder central. I use Oakland for domestic air and I don't even like going in and out of there.
    If they built it by Jack London Square all those bedroom community people in the 680 corridor would come out and spend money, guaranteed.

    Thanks for describing the hot sauce and yes I just never looked at the name on it!


    I can WALK to ATT/SBC/PacBell (and I enjoy doing so) and, not really being a football fan, I have no reason to go to candlestick so I don't really have a problem in that regard.

    Don't know where you were in the Bayview but there's certainly some scary places out there. The Sunnydale projects are probably the scariest place in SF but that should be a little off your route I think. Lenar Corp. just broke ground on the first of a bunch of new housing at Hunter's Point, also in that area. Don't know if having more middle class folks in the area will improve it any and, of course, it's always good to keep in mind that the slums out there are $500K slums--there isn't any cheap real estate in SF, even out there.

    Regarding the hats, mine came from Cable Car Clothiers: http://www.cablecarclothiers.com/ . I used to shop there more than I do now, but it's a nice store. I just don't need or much want to wear fancy duds any more and I'm getting harder to fit as my waste expands.

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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 13:31:05 (permalink)
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    Since you gave up sports 10 years ago I have an update, your old Milwaukee catcher Joe Torre won a few world series as a manager.


    You mean Franks brother? Son of a gun!
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 13:31:48 (permalink)
    Barry and I both like to have some "juice" in the morning. Only difference is mine comes from oranges and I drink it.
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 13:43:58 (permalink)
    BT, I thought you were cheap uh I mean thrifty, My hat grade of quality costs $800 at Cable Car so forget that, as it cost me I think $225 with extras from the site I posted. Maybe your place is ok for clothes but not Panamas.

    By the way, take a wrong turn leaving a 49er game and you end up in nearby "Double Rock" housing project and why are projects always on dead end streets. Watch it if you ever go over Potrero Hill and end up in O.J. Simpson's childhood projects, another scary maze of deadends.
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 14:26:10 (permalink)
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    BT, I thought you were cheap uh I mean thrifty, My hat grade of quality costs $800 at Cable Car so forget that, as it cost me I think $225 with extras from the site I posted. Maybe your place is ok for clothes but not Panamas.



    I bought mine before there was an internet available to "regular folks". But I like British clothes. A couple years ago I even ordered a genuine duffle coat from the original source used by the British Army (and the company that supplied Montgomery with the one he wore during WWII and that popularized them). They were very nice helping out a Yank. Cable Car carries stuff that you may be able to get online now--like panamas--but that in the 80's it wasn't easy to find elsewhere in the Bay Area. And their Scottish woolens are really nice.

    I don't know where this business about me being cheap started--I think you started it. As it happens, I'm somebody who doesn't like to waste money but I will indulge my taste for luxury goods on occasion.
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 14:37:31 (permalink)
    I meant "smart shopper" and that does it I'm headed out to rent Bridge Over the River Kwai so I can reconnect with the British Army
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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 16:53:42 (permalink)

    BT
    You are by the funniest man Livin. I mean that in all due respect.

    Copper

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    RE: Barry Bonds 2006/03/09 19:04:27 (permalink)
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    BT
    You are by the funniest man Livin. I mean that in all due respect.

    Copper




    I try and it's nice to be appreciated, but after looking over what I've written in this thread it's hard to see what made you say that.
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