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RE: Bourbon 2008/10/01 22:53:07 (permalink)
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Originally posted by MikeS.

Thanks Bushie, I'll try Buffalo Trace next.


I think you'll like it. It's got a fantastic blend of smoothness and flavor, and it costs about 2/3 of the expensive stuff.

After the Glee Club Distillery Trip of 19ought6 (or maybe that was in 2005 or 2006), Poverty Pete and I did an independent tasting of Buffalo Trace and several others we had gathered. After we crawled off the floor the next day, we both agreed that BT was the winner, hands down.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/10/01 23:56:30 (permalink)
I do like Knob Creek, but will drink Wild Turkey 101 if I'm feeling parsimonious. Funny thing is that around here both are priced the same in bars & restaurants.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/10/02 10:28:31 (permalink)
I was given a bottle of "Old Gristmill Straight American Corn Whiskey", made nearby at the Tuthilltwn distillery. It is unaged, pot distilled, 40% alcohol, clear as water, corn whiskey - about $40 at local package stores. The price is atrocious for unaged booze of any kind, but it is not a bad sippin whiskey, a bit raw, but at 80 roof mild enough to carry a pretty good flavor. I'm thankful for the gift but I dont think I'll be buying any for myself when there's so much really good stuff out there from Kenutcky and Tennessee for less than $40.

Cheers, John
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RE: Bourbon 2008/10/02 11:10:40 (permalink)
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well.yeah..As I said it's sour mash...says so on the label...sour mash whiskey...even in the 60's we'd correct people who'd call it a bourbon!!! Jack Daniel's lovers feel the need often to point out it's a great Tennessee sippin' whiskey!!


The sour mash has nothing to do with why its a Tennessee whiskey - only the pouring through the maple charcoal is what separates a Tennessee Whiskey from a bourbon.

Almost all bourbons are sour mash whiskeys. Jack Daniels is a sour mash "Tennessee" whiskey, meaning it starts off just like other bourbons as a sour mash whiskey, but is filtered through the sugar maple charcoal. Only Jack Daniels and George Dickel are Tennessee Whiskeys, everything else, including Woodford Reserve, Makers Mark, Knob Creek, Jim Beam, and others, which are all sour mash whiskeys, is bourbon. Some of those brands advertise the sour mash, others don't - they simply say bourbon. Most are straight bourbons, too, but some don't advertise that either. So, one can make a sour mash straight bourbon whiskey, but label it merely as "bourbon.". Woodford, I believe, is the only company to use the Scottish spelling of "whisky." And I'm not sure how they get away with that.

So, "sour mash" is how most bourbon is made. In fact, unless its Jack Daniels or George Dickel, a sour mash is probably bourbon.

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RE: Bourbon 2008/10/02 11:27:51 (permalink)
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I was given a bottle of "Old Gristmill Straight American Corn Whiskey", made nearby at the Tuthilltwn distillery. It is unaged, pot distilled, 40% alcohol, clear as water, corn whiskey - about $40 at local package stores. The price is atrocious for unaged booze of any kind, but it is not a bad sippin whiskey, a bit raw, but at 80 roof mild enough to carry a pretty good flavor. I'm thankful for the gift but I dont think I'll be buying any for myself when there's so much really good stuff out there from Kenutcky and Tennessee for less than $40.

Cheers, John


I believe its, "Old Gristmill American Corn Whiskey" not "Old Gristmill Straight American Corn Whiskey" - the straight, by law, would mean it was aged for at least two years.

I agree with you, though, that it's a tad expensive for what it is. However, it harkens back to the time of making moonshine, when the average joe home distiller, didn't have oak barrels, so they simply drank their "white lighting."

I paid ~$30 for a bottle at a store in the Hudson Valley. And, since, I have an old friend who makes some very smooth moonshine, I thought it wasn't worth 30 bucks. But, if you don't have moonshine readily available, it makes a great conversation piece - so, in that regard, it is worth the money.

BTW: I generally enjoy the products out of Tuthilltown: Hudson River Rum, Manhattan Rye, Bourbon, and even the vodka -which has a wonderful NY flavor, I found enjoyable.

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RE: Bourbon 2008/10/02 14:14:39 (permalink)
Scorereader is correct .I went back to look at the label and there is no "straight" in the name.

I'm glad Scorereader likes the Tuthilltown products and I hope a whole lot of people like and buy the products - I would like this local enterprise to make a go of it and stay around for a good long time. I appreciate the extra expense that goes into
pot distilling where every batch is a whole new operation, but, I can buy better Bourbon, Rum, Apple Brandy , and Vodka than Tuthilltown is producing and at a lesser price, so I'm not planning to buy much of their product. When and if they offer some aged (up to 7 years) product, especially Apple Brandy, I'll be a good customer.

BTW: Ttuhilltown's neighbors are complaining about the "smell" of his operation (an odor most of us booze lovers would welcome and cherish) and have gotten the Dept Environmental Conservation on his case. His response has been that it is good honest corn mash and the neighbors should be happy it's not something laced with chemicals...

Cheers, John
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RE: Bourbon 2008/10/02 15:12:56 (permalink)

One Man's Sour-Mash is another Man's Meth-Lab !
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RE: Bourbon 2008/10/02 15:46:55 (permalink)
Not technically bourbon, but GEORGE DICKEL is the world's sweetest, smoothest and best. Hand down.
Hard to find right now, there is a shortage of the black label. The brown label is still around.

Once you get "dicked" you'll never be the same.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/10/02 15:47:08 (permalink)
John:
I found the rum and vodka to be the most distinguishable/unique spirits of their lot. The sweet rum was, to me, different than other jamaican rums, and the vodka had a hint of apple on the palate, but not apple flavored. Apple essence, the way Ciroc has a grape essence. So, I found it unique, and a nice "NY style," if you will, vodka.

LOL on the neightbors. And, Al: very funny.

The neightbors should be glad an eco-friendly company is there and not the old waste dumping companies like American Thermostat in cairo, who dumped noxious chemicals and mercury directly into the ground, poinsoning the water and earth.

My buddy worked at Busch Gardens in VA years back. The apartment they put him up in was across the street from the brewery. There was a constant heavy aroma akin to soudough bread baking in the oven in the air, morning, noon and night. You think you'd get used to it, but, when I visited him, to me it just always smelled like sourdough bread. But, it wasn't unpleasant, at all, just strong.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/10/06 19:01:55 (permalink)
Either Knob Creek or Makers Mark. Both are outstanding. When I visit friends overseas I always take a bottle along for them.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/11/29 02:29:58 (permalink)
I've decided that Woodford reserve is my bourbon of choice. While Knob Creek was good Woodford is smoother to my palate.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/04 15:41:56 (permalink)
What are people's thoughts on an everyday, mid priced bourbon?
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/04 17:13:02 (permalink)
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What are people's thoughts on an everyday, mid priced bourbon?


If I'm mixing bourbon with most anything, I use the Evan Williams. Nothing wrong with it.

I also enjoy Jim Beam Black on ice.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/04 17:19:11 (permalink)
I use Evan Williams or Ezra Brooks for mixing, myself. And you can get the latter in a 100 proof version.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/04 17:25:25 (permalink)
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What are people's thoughts on an everyday, mid priced bourbon?


After years of "research": Evan Williams Black Label - here in Texas it is, including tax, about $18.00 for 1.75 liters.

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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/04 17:36:50 (permalink)
For everyday drinking, it's usually Jim Beam & water or in a Manhattan.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/19 00:19:19 (permalink)
I just tried Makers Mark this week and liked it a lot.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/19 00:34:43 (permalink)
After Jack, it'd me choice # 2 for me!!!
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/23 02:25:55 (permalink)
Found out I don't like Evan Williams. Too harsh on the palate.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/25 10:59:17 (permalink)
I drink Evan Williams Green, which seems alittle more gentle. That said, I like it for mixing, rafher than sipping.
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/25 14:18:30 (permalink)
JTS Brown... Joe

Although I do like Makers. Come to think of it... the worst Bourbon I ever had was wonderful.  :~)

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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/26 10:21:53 (permalink)

I tend to be a "mixer" these days as well. While I used to be more of a "Sipper". Apparently my body wants me to dilute my libations a bit  as I begin my 'Golden Years' !  Vernor's or Mountain Dew is the dilution of choice these days.
post edited by Al-The Mayor-Bowen - 2008/12/26 10:23:38
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/26 12:53:28 (permalink)
knob creek is hard to beat
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/26 14:15:19 (permalink)



My favorite sippin' whiskey happens to be whatever anyone is offering me at the time!  

I always have a bottle of Gentleman Jack at the house, I gifted a bottle of Woodford Reserve to a buddy of mine yesterday which he gladly shared with the group, I happily drink the Knob Creek with my good friend Ron when we can get together, and I am always partial to a nice sip of Maker's Mark with some of my BBQ Brethern.

I do not think you can go wrong with a good whiskey, because you are (hopefully) sharing it with someone whose company you enjoy! That makes it all good.

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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/26 17:59:06 (permalink)
DD,
  I totally agree that the company you keep has a huge impact on the 'quality' of an evening's libation and celebration!
  We are sharing a bottle of Knob Creek with our Sons and Son-in-Law when they come for the Christmas visit (spread over ten evenings). A variety of mixers are available, but most of the boys sip it straight, or with a bit of tapwater.
 
     Janet prepares a large jug of Fuzzy Navels for the Daughter and Daughters-in-Law who desire something stronger than soda to 'Sip' as the evening progresses. Using our local Peaches "pureed" in the OJ and Peach Schnapps mixture adds a local touch and some wonderful Peach flavor.
 
  We also have ready to go (but no taker's so far this season) some Hot Chocolate and Peppermint Schnapps. That warming beverage is called an Alpine and is wonderful on a freezing winter night. Tonight at 6 PM it is 64 degrees and going to be in the 70's tomorrow...so I doubt there will be a call for a 'Fortified Hot Beverage'!!

 We look forward to several more of these family gatherings up to New Years Eve.  With ten adult kids between us (all from previous marriage) and a total as of now, of twenty-three Grandchildren, we try to split the group into nuclear family units with each subset having a night at the Grandparents. This gives us time to really get to know the grandkids a bit, and to relax without trying to deal with 50+ people in the house at one time.
post edited by Al-The Mayor-Bowen - 2008/12/26 18:08:07
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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/27 09:32:20 (permalink)
Al-The Mayor-Bowen

 
     Janet prepares a large jug of Fuzzy Navels for the Daughter and Daughters-in-Law who desire something stronger than soda to 'Sip' as the evening progresses. Using our local Peaches "pureed" in the OJ and Peach Schnapps mixture adds a local touch and some wonderful Peach flavor.
 
 

Now those fuzzy navels sure sound good.

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RE: Bourbon 2008/12/29 14:52:29 (permalink)
PorkChopExpress-
 
   Thank You. They are great on a summer day, that's for sure. We do them in the winter because the daughters (and in-laws) seem to enjoy them and it is easy to make a batch, and leave the Schnapps out for the kids to enjoy , while the ladies "fortify" theirs wih the adult beverage. So far no-one has asked to increase the alcohol level with a shot of Vodka (as most recipes call for) so everyone seems to be happy and full of good cheer.
  Meantime the gentlemen do a lot of damage to my Knob Creek Supply.
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RE: Bourbon 2009/01/04 13:08:54 (permalink)
Anybody else out there trying Ezra Brooks? The 100 proof version  mixes well
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