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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/06 08:20:37 (permalink)
Hey- wait a second- those are the same photos from the beginning of the report!
 
Am I the only one who always gets Stroud's salad with their blue cheese instead of the soup whenever I visit?
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/06 08:24:59 (permalink)
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I was glad we sat at a table with blue checkered table clothes at the revisit, just so I wouldn't get the photos confused!  Never had the salad at Stroud's as I like the chicken soup too much.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/06 08:41:38 (permalink)
What a trip!!!  I'm going to use this one for reference for when I make a trip out there.  This was great!  Thanks to you and Johnny, potential roadfood pilgrims like myself have an idea of what is in store for us!
 
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/06 10:04:38 (permalink)
Great job, BB!  I enjoyed every step of the way!
 
Perhaps it won't be too long before I visit Kansas City, likely for a baseball game.
 
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/06 12:01:30 (permalink)
'the all star game is there this year. 
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/06 13:57:00 (permalink)
Another outstanding record of an epic journey thru the Heartland. Thank you, Johnny and Cliff for continuing to keep the RF traditions alive.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/06 14:17:43 (permalink)
bb,
Those flowers below the walkway in the WWI museum are artificial representations of Flanders Field Poppies.  They have a strong association with The Great War and have become a powerful symbol as a "Memorial Flower".  You can read more about them here:
http://www.greatwar.co.uk.../remembrance-poppy.htm
 
The only reason I have any familiarity with Flanders Field Poppies is because they grow in my backyard every year.  We live in a smallish farmhouse that dates back to the late 1800's.  One of the early owners of the house had a son who fought in Europe during WWI.  The story we've heard is that the young man picked some of the flowers from Flanders Field in Belgium and brought them back to Des Plaines where his family planted the preserved seeds.  They bloom every year around mid May and last until just before Memorial Day, when they wilt and die.  This year, with the early spring weather, was the only time I've seen them bloom early and die off before the end of the month.
 
The WWI museum in KC is a fantastic array of exhibits and information.  My BIL bought us tickets a couple years ago as a Christmas present.  It was an afternoon well spent.  There are four additional galleries aside from the main museum area.  We ran out of time  when we visited and only got to poke our heads into two of them.  I'm hoping for a return trip in the near future to see everything we missed.
 
Nice report.  Looks like a good time at Stroud's.
 
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/06 17:57:23 (permalink)
Great report, BB! You picked great places to eat, and great, fun places to tour. Thanks for taking us along!!!
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/06 18:13:18 (permalink)
Another fabulous trip report. Great Job.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/06 23:10:44 (permalink)
Buddy-
I knew there had to be some kind of story behind the flowers and now I know.  Thanks for the information.
 
And thanks to everyone for the nice comments.  It is very much appreciated.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 08:44:37 (permalink)
A quick wrap up of the trip.....
 
* We ended up driving a total of 2,112 miles.
* Final Total of Places Visited - Burgers 10, Barbecue 8, Pie 9
* Best BBQ - 1) McClard's Bar-B-Q  2) L C's Bar-B-Q
* Best Burger - 1) Hank's Hamburgers  2) J & W Grill
* Best Pie - 1) Buttermilk Chess Pie at Hammett House  2) Reese's Pie at Johnnie's Grill
* Best Side Dish - 1) Frickles at Meers Store  2) Pot O Beans at Stubby's Hik-Ry Pit Bar-B-Que
* Best Overall Meal - 1) First visit to Stroud's  2) Second visit to Stroud's
* Best Tourist Attraction - 1) National World War I Museum  2) National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum
 
All of the above is my opinion only.  Certainly Cousin Johnny had different favorites.  Once I get those off of him, I will post those, too. 
 
* A big thanks to Howard Baratz and The Travelin Man for meeting up with us and making this vacation even more fun!
* Food-wise, the disappointments were few.  I can only think of Rogerland Restaurant and Hunka Pie being closed.
 
Overall, I wish we could have spent more time in Arkansas.  We could have easily spent the entire week in The Natural State and never run out of good food and interesting things to do.  The decision was made to spend the bulk of the trip in Oklahoma for two reasons:  1) Oklahoma is much more difficult for me to get to  2)  I have plans to be back in Arkansas later in the year.  Afterall, there is a lot more pie that needs to be investigated!  
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 10:28:35 (permalink)
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* We ended up driving a total of 2,112 miles.

2112?  Good thing you had plenty of time and didn't have to Rush...
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 11:20:45 (permalink)
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Buddy-
I knew there had to be some kind of story behind the flowers and now I know.  Thanks for the information.

Here's the poem that was written about Flanders Fields:
http://www.greatwar.co.uk/poems/john-mccrae-in-flanders-fields.htm
When I was in school, we had to learn this poem and recite it every year around Decoration Day, now Memorial Day.
That's back when Patriotism was still taught in Schools along with History. They also taught Reading & Cursive Writing!
Here's the story of how the Poppy became the Memorial Day Flower:
http://www.greatwar.co.uk/people/moina-belle-michael.htm
If we don't teach our Heritage, we will loose our Heritage!
 
post edited by Foodbme - 2012/06/07 11:26:59
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 12:13:46 (permalink)
Foodbme That's back when Patriotism was still taught in Schools along with History. . . . If we don't teach our Heritage, we will loose our Heritage!

I don't understand. When was "patriotism" taught in schools, and what does that even mean? And since when do we not teach "our heritage"? That's U.S. history, right?
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 17:25:37 (permalink)
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Foodbme That's back when Patriotism was still taught in Schools along with History. . . . If we don't teach our Heritage, we will loose our Heritage!

I don't understand. When was "patriotism" taught in schools, and what does that even mean? And since when do we not teach "our heritage"? That's U.S. history, right?

I'm a little surprised that people of your intellect and age don't understand what patriotism means. I don't know, maybe it has no meaning for you.
Our "Heritage' is not U.S. History. Our "Heritage" is something that is passed down from preceding generations; a tradition such as love of Country and patriotism or the heritage of Freedom.
Having been a student of U.S. History all my life and a Teacher of American History at Butler H.S. in Butler, PA, I can tell you there's a big difference between teaching U.S. History and Instilling the Principles of Patriotism in H.S. students. History is more factual, Patriotism is more emotional; how you feel about your Country and the freedoms you've inherited. The two tie together by circumstance but the outcomes are different.
Perhaps these Gentlemen said it best:
"And so, my fellow Americans; ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world; ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man" [John F. Kennedy inaugural address]
"What do I mean by patriotism in the context of our times? ... a sense of national responsibility ... a patriotism which is not short, frenzied outbursts of emotion, but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime" [Adlai Stevenson speech to the American Legion Convention]
Despite it's warts and flaws it's our devoted love, support, and defense of our country; national loyalty. Our Democracy and Freedoms still make us the Greatest Nation in the History of the World! These characteristics and principles are not being emphasized enough in our Schools.
Call it Brainwashing if you want, but if we don't emphasize loyality to our Country and teach it early and often, some other Ideology will come in to fill that void. Can you say Socialism? Sure you can!
The importance and significance of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence are not taught with the same emphasis as they were in the past. Ask any of today's Graduating Seniors how many Amendments to the U.S. Constitution are included in the Original Bill of Rights and name any 3 of them----And I Guarantee you will get a blank stare! When I went to Grade, Jr. and Sr. High School, from 1946 to 1958, Not only did we have to memorize them but we had to understand the history behind them and the significance of each one of them and what we inherited from each of them. I'll bet only one teacher in ten in today's classroom can do it without a textbook or a computer. And that one teacher is over 60 years old.
Just for kicks, without looking it up, from memory, what's the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and what's it's significance. Here's a clue - It's being Violated every day! 
Give Up? OK, go look it up. There will be a pop quiz in 15 minutes!  
For your reading pleasure, may I suggest reading the following. It will give you one man's impression of what a great job our Educational system is doing with our children:
http://patriotpost.us/alexander/13746/
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 17:41:09 (permalink)
thread lock due to heated political discussion in 5......4......3......2.......
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 18:02:17 (permalink)
yeah, what a drag to ruin a perfectly good thread....
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 18:54:02 (permalink)
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yeah, what a drag to ruin a perfectly good thread....

Didn't have to happen if Foodbme could simply resist injecting his politics into every other thread.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 19:01:35 (permalink)
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I'm a little surprised that people of your intellect and age don't understand what patriotism means.

Oh, I fully understand what patriotism means. That wasn't my point. I didn't understand what you meant by teaching patriotism in our schools.
 
To me, patriotism is like love. If I have to tell someone over and over how they should love me, how deserving I am of their love, how I am the greatest guy on earth, then the love I end up receiving is devalued. I'd rather demonstrate my value by my deeds, and let them come to that conclusion (or not) on their own. Then it would mean something.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 21:20:08 (permalink)
Great trip!  Those burgers.....
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/07 21:30:39 (permalink)
Joe-you always amaze me-over and over......!!!!!!!!! Love you, my friend.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/08 01:04:28 (permalink)
BB, as always I enjoyed your report. I hope someday to get to Kansas city to visit the good food, the WWI museum and the negro Leagues Baseball museum and the harry Truman home in nearby Independence. In the meantime your trip report is a nice substitute.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/08 03:26:53 (permalink)
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1bbqboy

yeah, what a drag to ruin a perfectly good thread....

Didn't have to happen if Foodbme could simply resist injecting his politics into every other thread.


May I remind you, you started it
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/08 08:04:35 (permalink)
Post #253 is yours. That was the first shot.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/08 08:19:16 (permalink)
Received a text from Cousin Johnny this morning with all of his favorites.
 
* Best Barbecue - 1) McClard's Bar-B-Q  2) L C's Bar-B-Q
* Best Burgers - 1) Hank's Hamburgers  2) J & W Grill
* Best Pie - 1) Peanut Butter Chip Pie at Hammett House  2) Banana Cream Pie at Hammett House
* Best Side Dish - 1) Pot O Beans at Stubby's Hik-Ry Pit Bar-B-Que  2) Vanized Potato at Van's Pig Stand
* Best Overall Meal - 1) First visit to Stroud's  2) Second visit to Stroud's
* Best Tourist Attraction - 1) National World War I Museum  2) National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum
 
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/08 11:08:54 (permalink)
Actually, it doesn't really matter who started it. The both of you seem to care less about showing a complete lack of respect for someone else's hard work - just so long as it doesn't interfere with your opportunity to bicker with one another.
 
Do either of you have any idea how long it takes Cliff (or anyone else) to compile a trip report of this length? Between photo editing and uploading, writing the content, fact-checking, looking up the web pages to include for the hyperlinks? It could be a full-time job. Then, you guys decide that the most important thing to discuss is the definition of patriotism? 
 
Gee....I wonder why post counts have tailed off.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/08 11:11:02 (permalink)
BB, on a more relevant topic, I think that both you and Johnny got your "Best Overall Meal" category wrong. Your second visit to Stroud's was much better than your first visit to Stroud's.
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/08 11:33:05 (permalink)
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Post #253 is yours. That was the first shot.


IMHO, BB's illustrated posts are as good as it gets in Roadfood.  And, in addition to the food, he is kind enough to include "points of interest" that I find fascinating. 
 
I see that post #253, innocuous as it seemed to me to be, was nevertheless "censored".  The over-reaction to it borders on the comical.
 
So, may I suggest that such exchanges be confined to "misc. and lighter fare - non food related" and that the moderator there ease up on his 'censorship'?
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Re:Burgers, Barbecue and Pie 2012/06/08 12:03:44 (permalink)
The Travelin Man

Actually, it doesn't really matter who started it. The both of you seem to care less about showing a complete lack of respect for someone else's hard work - just so long as it doesn't interfere with your opportunity to bicker with one another.

Do either of you have any idea how long it takes Cliff (or anyone else) to compile a trip report of this length? Between photo editing and uploading, writing the content, fact-checking, looking up the web pages to include for the hyperlinks? It could be a full-time job. Then, you guys decide that the most important thing to discuss is the definition of patriotism? 

Gee....I wonder why post counts have tailed off.

 
Pot-Kettle.  
 
How long do you think it took Carolina Bob & Ellen to do their trip reports before YOU derailed them?
 
Sorry BB.
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