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2006/02/13 22:42:12 (permalink)

Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here)

I knew the Bush administration does not like lawyers but I think the Vice President went a little far.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/13 22:53:52 (permalink)
    Did he get his limit?
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/13 23:34:14 (permalink)
    Jim and Mr. Chips, people. They'll be here all week. Good night, watch out for the rattlers in the lot, and drive home safely.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 00:15:45 (permalink)
    Used to be the secret service wouldn't allow anyone else to have guns around Cheney. Now they won't let him have one either.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 03:03:52 (permalink)
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    Used to be the secret service wouldn't allow anyone else to have guns around Cheney. Now they won't let him have one either.


    What seems not at all funny to me is that the suggestion has been made that the Secret Service prevented the local sheriff from talking to Cheney about the matter until at least the next morning, too late to ascertain whether, for example, he had been drinking. It has further been suggested that they wouldn't have done that unless ordered to by someone.

    Having grown up hunting, I think this was probably a true accident (as Alan Simpson, someone I've always respected, pointed out, the "victim" may have been at fault for not making his location clearer), but I think everything that was done after the fact look like an arrogant bungle, from blocking the sort of local investigation that any of us would have had to go through to the way the incident became public.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 06:42:58 (permalink)
    Quote: "I think everything that was done after the fact look like an arrogant bungle, from blocking the sort of local investigation that any of us would have had to go through to the way the incident became public."

    BT--I agree with you. However, why should this incident be different from virtually everything that this administration has had its hand in? From budgetary waste/profligate spending, to the Iraq quagmire, to the Katrina disaster, to illegal spying on U.S. citizens, it is difficult to find anything but arrogant bungles on the part of this administration. The 60 Minutes story this past Sunday, on the unaccounted hundreds of millions of U.S. dollars that "disappeared" in Iraq, was just the latest outrage, IMHO. A true conservative administration would be keeping a far steadier hand on the tiller (as well as on the till!), in order that our money not be wasted as it is being currently.

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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 08:50:14 (permalink)
    A smart mid-western friend who has a lot of quail-hunting experience writes:
    Quail The entire Cheney hunting accident story stinks. The delay in announcing it isCheney_2 suspicious, obviously. I'll bet Cheney had a few beers in him, but I'm not sure that is illegal in Texas (drinking and hunting is illegal in most states, but I couldn't find out if that includes Texas).
    But a few other points that may be worth noting:
    1. The news reports say the accident happened "around 5:30 pm" on Saturday. In Texas, quail can be hunted until 30 minutes after sunset. Sunset on Saturday, in Corpus Christi, was at 6:18, which means they were legal until 6:48. The "around" is suspicious.
    Harry_whittington 2. The news reports say that after Whittington (left) had gotten off his shot and went looking for his bird, Cheney and the other hunter went to another spot where they saw a covey of quail. Texas quail might be different from Iowa quail, but in Iowa when a shotgun goes off, every quail within earshot flutters away. The story doesn't make sense.
    3. None of the stories have commented on the fact that they were "road hunting", or hunting from a car. That is just about the lowest kind of low-rent, dishonorable kind of hunting there is (the phrase "road hunting" is often used synonymously with "poaching"). When I was growing up in Iowa, I went pheasant or quail hunting on scores of occasions with my Dad and others. We never would have hunted from a vehicle and it was an insult to even suggest that someone might. It was considered dangerous and declasse, as it was too great an advantage for the hunter to be "fair". It most states, including Texas, it is also illegal: Shotgun

    "It is unlawful to hunt from or by means of motor-driven vehicles and land conveyances or aircraft of any kind except paraplegics and single or double amputees of legs may hunt from stationary motor-driven vehicles or land conveyances."
    However, Texas exempts private property owners from the prohibition when they are on their own land and Cheney was with the property owner on his ranch. But it is still really tacky.
    4. Hunting quail in Texas requires an "Upland game bird stamp", which costs $7. This is a relatively new requirement, but I'll bet Cheney didn't have one.
    5. The spin is that Whittington "came up from behind the Vice President", implying that he snuck up on him or was somehow partially responsible because Cheney didn't know he was there. When hunting, it is bad form to walk in front of someone's gun. When given a choice, one would always approach another hunter from behind.
    Cheney has gotten negative press in the past for participating in "canned hunts" Cheney_roadkill and a couple of years ago he got really negative press for going on a canned pheasant hunt in Pennsylvania where he got between 70 and 95 birds (depending on which report is to be believed). The typical daily limit in places like Iowa and South Dakota, where we have many more pheasants than Pennsylvania, is 3 or 5 per day and a possession limit of 15 or 20.
    To many of our milieu, hunting is hunting is hunting and the distinctions noted above aren't that big of a deal. To hunters, these are important distinctions. Hunting regulations are strictly enforced in most states and every sixpack Joe knows he better abide by them or he'll get in trouble. Most hunters aren't affluent suede vest guys, they are working class guys within a couple of generations of agriculatural roots. The gluttony of shooting 70 pheasant in a day is almost impossible for them to comprehend.
    Focusing on the kill rather than the hunt is frowned upon. Killing more than you can eat is frowned upon. Canned hunts and that kind of over-indulgence is for the Rambo hunters, who are not thought highly of by the old-fashioned Izaak Walton league type of guys, like my Dad.
    Someone should be asking if Cheney was drinking, if he was properly licensed with his Upland Game Bird Stamp, when (and if) the hunting accident was actually reported to the authorities and if anyone has investigated why the quail in Texas seem to have gone deaf.
    Ms. Armstrong claims to have been in the car, but to have witnessed the shooting. If so, that would mean the hunters were fairly close, within eyeshot, which makes it even less likely that Whittington had gotten off a shot at a quail and then there were other quail still waiting around for Cheney to find them. It just does not make sense!
    UPDATE AT 1:50 PM: CBS news' White House correspondent reports that Secret Ser ie agents prevented local law enforcement from interviewing Cheney. At White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan's late morning press conference, he said that Cheney had a valid hunting license -- but no one asked whether the Veep had the required Upland Game Bird Stamp. Think Progress has a partial transcript of the McClelln presser here. And my quail-hunting friend updates his comments above with the following:
    "I spoke to my younger brother today who did not know anything about the hunting accident. He kind of lives off the grid, doesn't pay attention to news, I'm not sure he has a wallet, checking account or even pays taxes. What he does is hunt and fish. And generally vote Republican I am sorry to report.
    I read him the story and when I got to the part about Cheney and the other guy going to flush a second covey of quail, he interrupted me "You NEVER break your hunting party when hunting quail. NEVER NEVER NEVER." He explained that game birds flight patterns vary when they are taking flight or flushed. Quail flush in a starburst or "blizzard pattern" and fly all around, often between the hunters themselves. Pheasant go up in a linear fashion, away from the hunters.
    My brother said that it also depended on what kind of quail they were hunting and Blue_quail_1 whether or not they were stocked quail or wild quail. He said if they were "blues" (one of the two main species in Texas) (left), they typically first run on the ground, in a single file, to the nearest cover. It might be a piece of sagebrush, but the entire covey will hover underneath it. Then, when one of them sees better cover and takes off for it, they'll all follow single file.
    He thinks it may be possible that some of them were flushed--and Whittington took his shot--and the other birds ran a few yards to better cover, and Cheney and the other hunter followed those birds. At this point he repeated his comment about "never breaking your party when hunting quail". That is, apparently, one of the most common reasons for hunting accidents (that and alcohol).
    Bobwhite quail (right) don't run and they'll sit tight until they are flushed. Bobwhite_quail
    Whether the initial shot would have caused the other nearby birds to flush or not may depend on whether or not they were stocked birds. He said that wild birds usually would flush upon hearing a shot, but stocked birds may be less likely to and could just sit tight. "They'll watch the hunters and if the hunters don't see them, they'll sit tight until they figure out they've been detected and then they'll flush".
    In any case, when I read to him the part about Whittington approaching the Veep from behind, without announcing himself, he said "that's bull****, it is his fault. It is always the shooters' fault". That reminded me of "the pause" which was what our Dad taught us to do right before squeezing the trigger. We were taught to build in a moment, even if a fraction of a second, right before firing the gun to look at precisely what you were shooting at. This was true whether hunting birds or shooting skeet (clay pigeons). You never fired your gun as part of a swinging motion or in excitement; you maintained safety and control by always having that fractional pause.
    Cheney_nra He said Cheney is "a weekend warrior who really just wants to do his blasting" and is "more interested in the kill than in the hunt". (Left, Cheney gets gift of gun from NRA Convention.) He called that type of hunter "overzealous and lazy" and said they "don't enjoy the hunt for what it is".
    My brother and our Dad have won all sorts of awards for hunting, as have their dogs. They travel all over the continent to shoot various fowl (no mammals), including some of the most respected bird hunts, like the []deleted] and the [deleted] Championship.
    I asked him if he could be quoted on the record and he said "you gotta be kidding, these people will track you down". That prompted me to ask him if the election were held today, would he vote for Bush or Kerry and he stunned me by saying he thought he'd go for Kerry now. That was the best news of the day. I then asked Bush or Hillary and he said "I won't for her". I asked Bush or Vilsack and he said, without hesitation, Vilsack."
    2nd UPDATE MONDAY MIDNIGHT: My perspicacious friend was right in his speculation above: Smoking Gun now has the local law enforcement report showing that Cheney indeed did NOT have an Upland Game Bird Stamp on his hunting license.

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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 09:22:47 (permalink)
    In hindsight he did look a little big for a quail. I thought the orange vest was just a different type of quail.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 12:23:44 (permalink)
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    quote:
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    Used to be the secret service wouldn't allow anyone else to have guns around Cheney. Now they won't let him have one either.


    What seems not at all funny to me is that the suggestion has been made that the Secret Service prevented the local sheriff from talking to Cheney about the matter until at least the next morning, too late to ascertain whether, for example, he had been drinking. It has further been suggested that they wouldn't have done that unless ordered to by someone.

    Having grown up hunting, I think this was probably a true accident (as Alan Simpson, someone I've always respected, pointed out, the "victim" may have been at fault for not making his location clearer), but I think everything that was done after the fact look like an arrogant bungle, from blocking the sort of local investigation that any of us would have had to go through to the way the incident became public.

    According to the Secret Service the county sheriff had made arrangements to send deputies out the following morning to interview the vice president. The idea of the county sheriff being involved is interesting, as a hunting accident is not within his jurisdiction. The matter is handled, by law, by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. That agency determined that it was an accident.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 12:30:18 (permalink)
    No- it's always a conspiracy.

    I'm locking my doors and putting on my tinfoil hat.

    And you know those white trails in the sky? Chemicals or bacteria, in order to "thin the herd".

    Look out, Bush may activate the hurricane machine again.

    This thread is probably being watched by the government.

    Or, maybe it was just a hunting accident.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 12:34:07 (permalink)
    Bill, on hunting lands such as the 50,000-acre spread where Cheney was hunting, the use of vehicles is standard. It is also the common method of quail hunting on soutehrn plantations, although sometimes the hunters ride in wagons pulled by horses -- sometimes they even ride horseback. It is not road-hunting, as they aren't on roads.

    I've never hunted quail in Iowa, but in Ohio, South Carolina, Texas, Georgia and other places where I've been hunting quail for more than 50 years, other coveys do not take off at the report of a shotgun.

    I'll just skip now to the upland game stamp required since last September in Texas. According to the office of the vice president, a staffer mailed a check to Texas in the amoount of $140, as requested by the state. The non-resident license cost $125. It seems that Texas added the extra $15 for a waterfowl stamp, which, as it turned out, was not needed because the vice president already had one. Obviously, there was a mixup, as the duck stamp wasn't needed and the uplant stamp costs just $7. According to Texas Parks and Wildlife Department officials, hunters without the new upland stamp are merely being warned this season. Oh, after learning about the need for an upland stamp the vice president sent a check for $7.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 12:40:51 (permalink)
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    Quote: "I think everything that was done after the fact look like an arrogant bungle, from blocking the sort of local investigation that any of us would have had to go through to the way the incident became public."

    BT--I agree with you. However, why should this incident be different from virtually everything that this administration has had its hand in? From budgetary waste/profligate spending, to the Iraq quagmire, to the Katrina disaster, to illegal spying on U.S. citizens, it is difficult to find anything but arrogant bungles on the part of this administration. The 60 Minutes story this past Sunday, on the unaccounted hundreds of millions of U.S. dollars that "disappeared" in Iraq, was just the latest outrage, IMHO. A true conservative administration would be keeping a far steadier hand on the tiller (as well as on the till!), in order that our money not be wasted as it is being currently.

    Remember Ted Mack's Amateur Hour? I think that it is back, and that it is currently conducting its auditions in the highest offices of the federal government.


    good lord. I like your food posts, but you're way off base here.
    Your comment suggests you only have half the facts.
    I had a very long post, but I scrapped it. It's simply not worth it.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 13:11:14 (permalink)
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    Bill, on hunting lands such as the 50,000-acre spread where Cheney was hunting, the use of vehicles is standard. It is also the common method of quail hunting on soutehrn plantations, although sometimes the hunters ride in wagons pulled by horses -- sometimes they even ride horseback. It is not road-hunting, as they aren't on roads.

    I've never hunted quail in Iowa, but in Ohio, South Carolina, Texas, Georgia and other places where I've been hunting quail for more than 50 years, other coveys do not take off at the report of a shotgun.

    I'll just skip now to the upland game stamp required since last September in Texas. According to the office of the vice president, a staffer mailed a check to Texas in the amoount of $140, as requested by the state. The non-resident license cost $125. It seems that Texas added the extra $15 for a waterfowl stamp, which, as it turned out, was not needed because the vice president already had one. Obviously, there was a mixup, as the duck stamp wasn't needed and the uplant stamp costs just $7. According to Texas Parks and Wildlife Department officials, hunters without the new upland stamp are merely being warned this season. Oh, after learning about the need for an upland stamp the vice president sent a check for $7.

    I'm just reporting the buzz. Of course, nothing from you about the obvious to all but the CIA "Fudd/Cheney" separated at birth controversy. Bah! Administration apologists!
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 13:15:29 (permalink)
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    According to the Secret Service the county sheriff had made arrangements to send deputies out the following morning to interview the vice president. The idea of the county sheriff being involved is interesting, as a hunting accident is not within his jurisdiction. The matter is handled, by law, by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. That agency determined that it was an accident.


    I am aware of this. On the face of it, it reeks of "special treatment". When someone is brought into the hospital having been shot, I'm pretty sure whatever law enforcement agency is responsible would want to talk to the admitted perp right away, especially if evidence of a crime might be transitory such as would be the case if drinking while hunting is illegal in Texas. "Hunting accidents," such as if you accidentally shoot a cow, may be handled by Park and Wildlife, but I'm still guessing that when a human gets shot, that's handled by the folks who investigate homicides. But it really doesn't matter--it appears to me that breaks were given in the Cheney situation that wouldn't have been had a "regular citizen" done the same thing and that bothers me because, more and more, the Bushies seem to consider themselves above the law.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 13:26:15 (permalink)
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    quote:
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    According to the Secret Service the county sheriff had made arrangements to send deputies out the following morning to interview the vice president. The idea of the county sheriff being involved is interesting, as a hunting accident is not within his jurisdiction. The matter is handled, by law, by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. That agency determined that it was an accident.


    I am aware of this. On the face of it, it reeks of "special treatment". When someone is brought into the hospital having been shot, I'm pretty sure whatever law enforcement agency is responsible would want to talk to the admitted perp right away, especially if evidence of a crime might be transitory such as would be the case if drinking while hunting is illegal in Texas. "Hunting accidents," such as if you accidentally shoot a cow, may be handled by Park and Wildlife, but I'm still guessing that when a human gets shot, that's handled by the folks who investigate homicides. But it really doesn't matter--it appears to me that breaks were given in the Cheney situation that wouldn't have been had a "regular citizen" done the same thing and that bothers me because, more and more, the Bushies seem to consider themselves above the law.

    You're guessing wrong. Game protectors, called game wardens some places, are sworn law enforcement officers and handle the investigations and any arrests in connection with all crimes and possible crimes connected with hunting and fishing.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 14:36:36 (permalink)
    Did someone get popped w/ birdshot? 7 1/2 shot is tiny any must take a week to dig it all out.

    I think drinking is REQUIRED for hunting in Texas. It's required for just about everything else.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 15:05:16 (permalink)
    Seeing the news today, seems the hunting accident became a little more serious. The lawyer had some birdshot either hit his heart, or flow to his heart casuing a heart attack. I dont know how Texans deal with the law out there, but in Michigan, this would definatly get one locked up.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 15:30:01 (permalink)
    Personally I regard Cheney as a patriot. I know that many of you do not and that is your opinion. I think the guy gave up a great job just to assist at far less money. I realize that he was extremely wealthy but I sincerely believe the best interst in the USA is in his heart.

    I am very sorry to hear of his hunting accident with his long time friend. I am sure that this disturbs him deeply. Apparently he has hunted with this friend for years. Accidents do happen. This one was certainly negligence. Regardless, it was an accident.

    This is only my opinion.

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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 16:43:43 (permalink)
    Mr. Voss,
    You may spin your Democratic garbage if you wish and I shall ignore it. Looked at the Congress lately...the nation doesn't agree w/ you.

    Always would have figured Cheney would have been a better shot...dead lawyers, even Republican lawyers, are always a good thing. Sorry Jack, personal thing.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 17:21:16 (permalink)
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    Did someone get popped w/ birdshot? 7 1/2 shot is tiny any must take a week to dig it all out.

    I think drinking is REQUIRED for hunting in Texas. It's required for just about everything else.

    While I've not hunted in Texas in about three years I have hunted there often and for many years. I've never seen anyone there drinking before or during a hunt.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 17:24:21 (permalink)
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    Seeing the news today, seems the hunting accident became a little more serious. The lawyer had some birdshot either hit his heart, or flow to his heart casuing a heart attack. I dont know how Texans deal with the law out there, but in Michigan, this would definatly get one locked up.


    No it wouldn't. It would be handled as a hunting accident, and that's it. Unless a Michigan game protector determined that the shooting was the result of some unlawful action -- and negligence could be construed as unlawful -- there would be no arrest.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 18:01:40 (permalink)
    Quote: "good lord. I like your food posts, but you're way off base here.
    Your comment suggests you only have half the facts."

    Scorereader--I am always interested in learning something new. Please post the other half of the facts.
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    BT
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 19:02:06 (permalink)
    Well, the joke is getting less funny. Do the game folks in Texas investigate negligent homicides, Michael (Hoffman)? Because one of Cheney's birdshot apparently penetrated into the victim's heart and he just had what NBC News is calling a "minor heart attack". Certainly if he dies (he's in his 70's so I wouldn't call any heart attack minor) or suffers lasting damage, those Texas folks who gave Cheney a pass may look more stupid than they already do. What will REALLY be funny is if, since he's a lawyer, he recovers enough to file a lawsuit against Cheney.
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    BT
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 19:03:22 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Michael Hoffman


    You're guessing wrong. Game protectors, called game wardens some places, are sworn law enforcement officers and handle the investigations and any arrests in connection with all crimes and possible crimes connected with hunting and fishing.


    I'm looking for evidence you've passed the Texas bar. Until then, I consider my guess as good as yours on this matter.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 19:11:04 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sundancer7

    Personally I regard Cheney as a patriot. I know that many of you do not and that is your opinion. I think the guy gave up a great job just to assist at far less money. I realize that he was extremely wealthy but I sincerely believe the best interst in the USA is in his heart.

    I am very sorry to hear of his hunting accident with his long time friend. I am sure that this disturbs him deeply. Apparently he has hunted with this friend for years. Accidents do happen. This one was certainly negligence. Regardless, it was an accident.

    This is only my opinion.

    Paul E. Smith
    Knoxville, TN


    Paul:

    I've tried hard not to make any judgements about Cheney outside of the hunting incident but since you've broadened the discussion, I'll just say that while I think his motivations have been honorable (I do NOT think he's involved in some sort of oil industry cabal to rape the country), I do think his judgements about everything from who should be VP (when he picked himself rather than somebody who could succeed Bush) to Iraq to deficit spending to whatever have been a disaster for the country. As to the great job he gave up at Haliburton, any objective observer (and I was a Haliburton stockholder while he was CEO) will have trouble not acknowledging that he was mostly a figurehead who was hired for his ability to garner government contracts and schmooze his friends still in government on behalf of the company--in other words, he got the job because he was a powerful politician and his golden parachute was sufficient that he didn't give up much to go back to being one.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 19:14:14 (permalink)
    So, what if this lawyer dies as a result of this "Minor Heart Attack", (I didnt know any heart attacks were MINOR),??
    Is it reckless endagerment, manslaughter,accidental shooting or what?
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 19:18:45 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by BT

    quote:
    Originally posted by Sundancer7

    Personally I regard Cheney as a patriot. I know that many of you do not and that is your opinion. I think the guy gave up a great job just to assist at far less money. I realize that he was extremely wealthy but I sincerely believe the best interst in the USA is in his heart.

    I am very sorry to hear of his hunting accident with his long time friend. I am sure that this disturbs him deeply. Apparently he has hunted with this friend for years. Accidents do happen. This one was certainly negligence. Regardless, it was an accident.

    This is only my opinion.

    Paul E. Smith
    Knoxville, TN


    Paul:

    I've tried hard not to make any judgements about Cheney outside of the hunting incident but since you've broadened the discussion, I'll just say that while I think his motivations have been honorable (I do NOT think he's involved in some sort of oil industry cabal to rape the country), I do think his judgements about everything from who should be VP (when he picked himself rather than somebody who could succeed Bush) to Iraq to deficit spending to whatever have been a disaster for the country. As to the great job he gave up at Haliburton, any objective observer (and I was a Haliburton stockholder while he was CEO) will have trouble not acknowledging that he was mostly a figurehead who was hired for his ability to garner government contracts and schmooze his friends still in government on behalf of the company--in other words, he got the job because he was a powerful politician and his golden parachute was sufficient that he didn't give up much to go back to being one.


    I am sorry if my comments offended you but it was truly meant as what I said. What your comments where was true to you. I respect that.

    I still stand by my comments.

    Paul E. Smith
    Knoxville, TN
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 19:49:23 (permalink)
    I think Dick is trying to capitalize on his mishap, he's coming out with a new cologne. It's called "Duck".
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 20:04:03 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sundancer7



    I am sorry if my comments offended you but it was truly meant as what I said. What your comments where was true to you. I respect that.

    I still stand by my comments.

    Paul E. Smith
    Knoxville, TN


    They don't offend me. Not even a little bit, and I'd expect you to stand by them since I assume you were sincere. I just disagree--I think people who respect each other can do that without offense.

    My concern was just that we seem to be stepping pretty close to the line as to what type of discussion is allowed here and I would only want to step over in your wake (that's a Navy term ) since you are da boss.
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    RE: Cheney shoots lawyer(insert joke here) 2006/02/14 20:07:52 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by V960

    Mr. Voss,
    You may spin your Democratic garbage if you wish and I shall ignore it. Looked at the Congress lately...the nation doesn't agree w/ you.

    Always would have figured Cheney would have been a better shot...dead lawyers, even Republican lawyers, are always a good thing. Sorry Jack, personal thing.

    I suppose this means our hunting trip for Snipe & Grouse is off.
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