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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/09 13:35:55 (permalink)
Next question: since our lunch at the training conference might well be pre-planned/catered for all I know, I doubt I will be able to take in a meal except in the evening.

Are these beef sandwich places, which sound like they do their primary business at lunch, open in the evening?
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/09 17:37:01 (permalink)
Hey you Chicago folks (moved from there 5 years ago) is the "Grand Dog" still there in Elmwood Park on Grand just west of Harlem? They had a great "Beef" and the au jus they dipped the bread into (Wet) was outstanding! Is Scirelles (Sp?) still there on North Avenue? Used to go there and get takeout beef, peppers and au jus by the quarts!

I lost track of all the other great "Stands" that you could find everywhere in Chicago for a Dog or a Beef. There were many years ago.

Another point, gotta have peppers (roasted green peppers, soaked in the au jus) on the beef!! Agree, lots of napkins!!

Miss em!

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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/12 00:17:39 (permalink)
As far as beef sandwiches in chicago goes, I have to recommend the chopped steak (supreme steak) at Taurus Flavors. This place has been on the south side for forever and now there is a really cool spot in Midlothian (a bit south of the city on 147th St). Now that I live in the burbs I'm glad there's one out my way. Some of the ones in the city are a bit dated and could use a face lift. They also have (my personal favorite) -HOAGYS- the cold cut kind - totally unique flavor for both sandwiches. Gotta try that steak. However the mega-rich cheesecakes and icecream stuff will probably add 2 lbs to hips in one sitting. all good stuff.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/12 09:23:23 (permalink)
I have long appreciated the enhancement of flavor brought to beef by the addition of onions.

Do Italian Beef vendors in Chicago make onions available on these sandwiches? If so, are they raw or grilled?
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/12 09:34:07 (permalink)
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I have long appreciated the enhancement of flavor brought to beef by the addition of onions.

Do Italian Beef vendors in Chicago make onions available on these sandwiches? If so, are they raw or grilled?


Hmmmm, don't know, never asked for it.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/12 10:17:19 (permalink)
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Hehe, I only typed 'sauce' because I have a hard time remembering the spelling for 'giardinare'

Now that brings up an important thing: how do you pronounce 'giardinare'?

I assume 'wet' means they take the whole assembled sandwich and dip it, bread and all, into a pan of au jus?



My father always said jar-din-air-a.
He used it on practically everything he ate.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/12 10:22:54 (permalink)
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I have long appreciated the enhancement of flavor brought to beef by the addition of onions.

Do Italian Beef vendors in Chicago make onions available on these sandwiches? If so, are they raw or grilled?


" /> PLEASE DON'T --- some Italian beef vendor might throw you out on your ear. Please try a TRADITIONAL Italian beef sandwich first, dipped with guardinera or roasted sweet peppers as the only condiment. After you've tried the real thing, if you think it can be improved, by all means start tinkering. I don't think you will. I love onions and eat them on almost everything, except Italian beefs. The juice and meats are already heavily seasoned with garlic and italian herbs. The guardinera or sweet peppers also add lots of wonderful flavors. So please no onions or cheese until you have tasted the real thing. It won't be with either of those.

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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/12 10:27:14 (permalink)
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" /> no onions or cheese until you have tasted the real thing. It won't be with either of those.


I suspected this to be true, ergo I asked :-)

I will do as you suggest...I want the authentic experience.

I know that Luke's will be quite close to where I will be -- Sear's Tower -- anyone know whether Mr Beef or Buona Beef are also close to there?
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/12 10:47:56 (permalink)
I beleive there is only 1 Mr. Beef on 600 block of N. Orleans. Buona has several. Here is their web site:
http://www.buona.com/about/default.asp
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/12 20:12:02 (permalink)
Luke's is on Harlem just South of Addison! Is there more than one Luke's?

No on the Onions, just beef (wet) with peppers and a lot of napkins!

Don
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/13 08:50:16 (permalink)
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Luke's is on Harlem just South of Addison! Is there more than one Luke's?

No on the Onions, just beef (wet) with peppers and a lot of napkins!

Don



There is a Luke's at 215 W. Jackson downtown, but I don't think it's part of a chain.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/13 09:13:45 (permalink)
I agree with Jim Ross: keep onions and cheese off the sandwich, but make sure they thoroughly soak both sides of the roll, and take lots of extra napkins. Eating in the car is a no-no with a juicy beef sandwich. One needs to be sitting over a table to thoroughly enjoy the experience and avoid catching the drippings on your clothes.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/13 10:51:06 (permalink)
I asked earlier, but no one answered, so I have to ask again: how late are these italian beef places open? I probably won't be able to get dinner until 7pm or later, and will be more or less stuck downtown near the Sears Tower....
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/13 11:26:40 (permalink)
I have had the Chicago Beef at the Billy Goat stand in the Jazz Cafe at O'hara airport. Very good. We used to have a place called GT Rocks here in Rochester that served a great chicago beef sandwich au juice with the jardineer relish, but they closed several years ago.

This sounds strange coming from someone who hates McDonalds food, but Arby's has a new spicy italian beef sandwhich which is very similar to a chicago beef except it has a slice of provalone cheese. Not the highest quality roast beef in it, but it's about the closest I can come to the real thing locally.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/13 11:58:14 (permalink)
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I asked earlier, but no one answered, so I have to ask again: how late are these italian beef places open? I probably won't be able to get dinner until 7pm or later, and will be more or less stuck downtown near the Sears Tower....


I would imagine the Buona Beef stores would be open after 7 pm. Don't know about the rest. Ask at your hotel, the desk should know.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/14 14:33:26 (permalink)
Got a question about the guardinera (sp?) and sports.

Both are pickled? I'm thinking I read something somewhere about the peppers (sports) being roasted or sauteed rather than pickled......

Could someone give me the lowdown on these two items?
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/14 14:49:53 (permalink)
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Got a question about the guardinera (sp?) and sports.

Both are pickled? I'm thinking I read something somewhere about the peppers (sports) being roasted or sauteed rather than pickled......

Could someone give me the lowdown on these two items?


Sports and gardinara are both pickled. Sweet peppers might be sauteed.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/14 15:04:42 (permalink)
Does Buona Beef and/or Mr Beef offer the sauteed or roasted peppers rather than the pickled stuff? I confess I am not much of a fan of pickling most things....
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/14 15:40:39 (permalink)
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Does Buona Beef and/or Mr Beef offer the sauteed or roasted peppers rather than the pickled stuff? I confess I am not much of a fan of pickling most things....


Just ask for sweet rather than hot, but I think you would be missing something, IMHO.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/15 10:33:39 (permalink)
Just want to thank everyone for their contributions, I'll let you know how it goes next week in the Windy City.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/15 11:20:52 (permalink)
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Got a question about the guardinera (sp?) and sports.

Both are pickled? I'm thinking I read something somewhere about the peppers (sports) being roasted or sauteed rather than pickled......

Could someone give me the lowdown on these two items?


Sweet peppers are just bell peppers that have been roasted.
Sport peppers are pickled.
gardinare has been cured on oil.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/01/16 09:33:21 (permalink)
I think I'll go with the sweet peppers, then. Guardinera on the side, to try.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/02/10 11:44:33 (permalink)
I lived in Chicago in the mid 80s and use to walk down the block to the Bozo (or Boz) hot dog stand for an Italian Beef Combo a couple of times a week. They had these all over the southside and nw IN. I went back a couple of years ago and they seem to be all gone. Did someone buy them out or did them just close down. They weren't too bad and definitely cheap at a time when that was important to me
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/02/10 13:47:58 (permalink)
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I lived in Chicago in the mid 80s and use to walk down the block to the Bozo (or Boz) hot dog stand for an Italian Beef Combo a couple of times a week. They had these all over the southside and nw IN. I went back a couple of years ago and they seem to be all gone. Did someone buy them out or did them just close down. They weren't too bad and definitely cheap at a time when that was important to me


Boz's Hot Dogs are still in operation in Illinois & Indiana (Dyer, Hammond, Griffin, & Columbia City). They also have a catering business.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2004/03/11 17:53:32 (permalink)
The best beef stands I know are Johnny's in Elmwood Park and Bounas in Berwyn and wherever else they're building the things. Carm's was really good but that was a long time ago. My favorite beef stand of all was on Laramie between Washington and Lake, as you can imagine that was a LONG time ago, the 1960s. Portillo's is OK. Al's is OK and I never had Mr. Beef; I don't go to the North Side or Downtown for Italian beef.

I don't care for wet beefs, I like the bread to be snappy. If the bread is good it will be snappy not chewy. If you get the bread soggy you might as well have the sandwich on Wonder Bread.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2005/02/22 18:38:28 (permalink)
Interesting Chicago restaurant site:

www.lthforum.com/bb/viewforum.php?f=14
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RE: Chicago Beef 2005/02/23 14:31:12 (permalink)
Having read this thread I was of course intriqued about an Italian Beef sandwich but of course they aren't readily available in florida...So there I am perusing the selections in the frozen foods section of the local super walmart and BEHOLD! Papa Charlies Italian Beef.. After following the package directions the gravy looked a little thin so I let it simmer a bit longer, then drenched a roll in gravy and stuffed it with the meat.. Darn good sandwich!! The meat was surprisingly tender the sauce nicely flavored and for under 4 bucks there was enough for 3 sandwichs! I'll probably never get to enjoy the real thing but I've found a new staple for my freezer!
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RE: Chicago Beef 2005/02/23 15:37:28 (permalink)
For some reason we have Papa Charlies here in Chicago. Nothing compared to the real deal. Look for some Giardinara down there and also a crusty loaf of bread. This will help. Also you can get pretty good Italian Beef from www.portillos.com Hunt around the site for the packages. It'll cost WAY more than four bucks though. I like Portillos and Johnnies, but was not so impressed with Al's #1 on Taylor St.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2005/02/23 16:37:54 (permalink)
TJ, I know it was over a year ago but I just read through this whole thread and I was disappointed not to see how your trip went and whether or not you got try everything suggested here. Maybe you covered it on another thread and I missed it but I would be interested to know how you liked the beef.
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RE: Chicago Beef 2005/02/23 16:44:11 (permalink)
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I was disappointed not to see how your trip went...
let your disappointment be at an end....

http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2383
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