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MikeS.

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RE: Chicken Fried Steak Fri, 05/28/04 8:32 AM (permalink)
I've eaten and cooked CFS from 1 coast to the other and back again for 40 some years and this is what I've learned.
1) You use round steak that you tenderize or use cube steak, in a real butcher shop they run a round steak thru the tenderizer if ya ask them too.
2) You whip up some eggs with a pinch of salt and a lil cold water. You use any old flour and spice it up with S&P for sure and I always put in some garlic powder.
3) You dredge, dip & dredge again. I use a ziploc bag for the dredging part. Cuts down on the mess.
4) You fry the meat in a pan with a couple big spoons full of Crisco. I switched over to butter flavor a couple years ago.
5) Once all the meat is fried and sitting on a plate in a warm oven you add some of the leftover flour to the fry pan, stir up a roux, brown it some and then start adding milk tell ya get a nice gravy.
6) Serve with mashed taters and some greens.
One of the best things to every come out of Texas, excepting maybe both of my parents.

MikeS.
 
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    archinIL

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    RE: Chicken Fried Steak Wed, 06/9/04 11:03 AM (permalink)
    It is impossible to find a good CFS this far north (Northern Illinois). Lived in Grand Prarie (between Dallas and Ft Worth) for a few years, and got used to the real thing. Every so often, me or one of my relatives will forget that it isn't very good up here, and will order it at like a Cracker Barrel type place. After about 2-3 bites, we remember why we never order it. Heck, my grade school made better CFS than places around here.

    If I want it, I have to make it myself nowadays. Gotta make gravy with it. And mashed taters..... mmmmm.... and it isn't even lunch time yet.
     
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      jackc10

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      RE: Chicken Fried Steak Wed, 06/16/04 9:48 AM (permalink)
      There are lots of good places to get CFS in Louisiana and Texas.

      Among the best has to be this place:
      http://www.hillcountrycupboard.com

      in Johnson City, TX.

      Great place in an authentic Texas town.
       
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        1bbqboy

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        RE: Chicken Fried Steak Wed, 06/16/04 10:29 AM (permalink)
        ....so I'm watching Bobby Flay's Food Nation the other night and 'lil Bobby goes to some place in Ft. Worth for CFS. They threw the
        pounded, floured steak into the DEEP FRYER, then served it with a BAKED POTATO! and put the GRAVY on the steak! I thought,
        " these guys have been reading this thread, and they're just screwing with us". This was pretty deep into the heart of Texas so I didn't know what to think. I guess we're all correct, it's a lifestyle, not a ritual, and anything that involves grease, flour, and Meat can mean "chicken-fried"....http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_bf/episode/0,1976,FOOD_9950_32741,00.html

        Bill
         
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          Maynerd

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          RE: Chicken Fried Steak Wed, 06/16/04 10:45 AM (permalink)
          Hey archinIL,
          Do you have a place in Grand Prairie you'd recommend for CFS? I go to GP every so often to do business with a vendor there. They are located at I 30 and Beltline.

          BTW Bushie, I went to the Koffee Kup diner a couple of weeks ago on a wild hair. I gotta say I was a bit disappointed with their CFS. It was just so...bland. I couldn't dump enough S&P on it to get any flavor. Maybe I caught them at a bad time (4:30 pm). Maybe my expectations were too high after driving ~100 miles to try it out, I don't know.

          The Strawberry pie was good though. I did soothe my fevered brow with a couple of six packs of Dublin DP to take back.

          The best CFS I've had lately is at the Shady Grove in Austin. It's spicier with the Hatch green chili on top and a bit untraditional, but oh so good.

           
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            Lucky Bishop

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            RE: Chicken Fried Steak Wed, 06/16/04 2:19 PM (permalink)
            quote:
            Originally posted by bill voss

            ....so I'm watching Bobby Flay's Food Nation the other night and 'lil Bobby goes to some place in Ft. Worth for CFS. They threw the
            pounded, floured steak into the DEEP FRYER, then served it with a BAKED POTATO! and put the gravy on the steak! I thought,
            " these guys have been reading this thread, and they're just screwing with us". This was pretty deep into the heart of Texas so I didn't know what to think. I guess we're all correct, it's a lifestyle, not a ritual, and anything that involves grease, flour, and Meat can mean "chicken-fried"....
            Bill


            Eat at Flay's restaurant and you'll understand: the man doesn't know a damn thing about the southwestern cuisine he's supposedly such a big proponent of.
             
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              Lucky Bishop

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              RE: Chicken Fried Steak Wed, 06/16/04 3:36 PM (permalink)
              Non-traditional is fine. Boring and bland, which is what I find his food, isn't.
               
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                Lucky Bishop

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                RE: Chicken Fried Steak Wed, 06/16/04 5:16 PM (permalink)
                Bland isn't just a matter of heat. Heat alone can't make a dish interesting. The spices have to work together to create a multi-layered taste. The meals I've had at Mesa Grill are a bizarre combination of flavorless, over-salted and covered with a one-dimensional heat that might as well have come out of a bottle of Frank's Red Hot. Ain't impressed, end of story.
                 
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                  bubbaboy

                  RE: Chicken Fried Steak Mon, 06/21/04 8:37 AM (permalink)
                  Hey a little off the topic but i'm going to ask anyway...In New York City everyone knows how hard it is to find a good CFS...actually it's hard to find any...This restaurant called Blue Smoke(a BBQ place) serves CFS as a special only on Sundays I tried begging and bribing them to see if they would make it for me on a wednesday but they said "Not a chance!"...anyway has anyone on this forum tried it and if so how was it?


                  JD
                   
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                    colt45

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                    RE: Chicken Fried Steak Mon, 06/28/04 11:48 AM (permalink)
                    JUst tried the Texaz Grill in SCottsdale, AZ. Mashed potatoes with skins & service was great. Chicken Fried was OK.
                     
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                      colt45

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                      RE: Chicken Fried Steak Mon, 06/28/04 11:52 AM (permalink)
                      OK I give up where is a good chicken fried steal in South Louisiana?

                      AS far as Bobby Fray, he couldn't find his *&&^^%$ once he's 2 feet outside of New York!
                       
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                        archinIL

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                        RE: Chicken Fried Steak Wed, 06/30/04 12:28 PM (permalink)
                        quote:
                        Originally posted by Maynerd

                        Hey archinIL,
                        Do you have a place in Grand Prairie you'd recommend for CFS? I go to GP every so often to do business with a vendor there. They are located at I 30 and Beltline.






                        Sorry.... can't help. We moved from Grand Prairie back in '84, and haven't been back. I was only 9 at the time. Too young to remember anywhere that had any that stood out from the other. I remember my grade school cafeteria, of all places, made decent ones. This was back in the day when they actually cooked things in school cafeterias, rather than just reheating crap.
                         
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                          Maynerd

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                          RE: Chicken Fried Steak Wed, 06/30/04 1:18 PM (permalink)
                          No problem arch, just curious, thanks for responding.
                           
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                            MikeS.

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                            RE: Chicken Fried Steak Thu, 07/15/04 10:38 AM (permalink)
                            Just to add my 2 cents worth; Bobby Flay not only ...............

                            I don't think I can say what I really want to on this family friendly board, sorry.

                            MikeS.
                             
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                              Sterling

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                              RE: Chicken Fried Steak Sun, 07/25/04 1:55 PM (permalink)
                              quote:
                              Originally posted by Ballpark Roadtripper

                              THIS is the last one I had, the one in Texas I was talking about:




                              Yowza! So, can ANYONE tell me where I can get me a great CFS within 200 miles of NYC???
                               
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                                Sterling

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                                RE: Chicken Fried Steak Sun, 07/25/04 1:57 PM (permalink)
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by Ballpark Roadtripper

                                THIS is the last one I had, the one in Texas I was talking about:




                                Yowza! So, can ANYONE tell me where I can get me a great CFS within 200 miles of NYC???


                                The best CFS I Have found in NYC is at Acme bar and grill. Another acceptable choice is Brothers BBQ on Varick street. Brothers does not have it on the menu, however it is available if you ask. Be sure to specify standard CFS not smothered.
                                 
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                                  hermitt4d

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                                  RE: Chicken Fried Steak Sun, 07/25/04 8:41 PM (permalink)
                                  quote:
                                  Originally posted by colt45

                                  I lived in Houston in the 70s & 80s, and the best Chicken Fried Steaks were at Dirty's on Richmond. I've been told that they closed down & now the best are at some place called Jack's on Shepard across from Cadillac Bar & Grill. Anyone know about Jack's?

                                  Colt45


                                  I never ate at Dirty's, which as I recall was on Chimney Rock, a block south of Richmond. There was another one on Durham just down from Jax until a year or so ago; same owner, I think. The most awesome CFS I ever had also came from that period and was at a place on Beverly Hill at Fountainview in the 70s, not far from Dirty's, before that area became known as the Richmond Strip. I can't remember the name of it, but I think it included 'Ranch.'

                                  Best CFS in Houston? I dunno. I've never had the CFS at Jax but I'd expect them to do a good job. I like their mesquite grilled burgers, catfish and onion rings, especially. There's another Jax on Rice at Bissonett in Bellaire, but the one on Durham is better (parking lot and entrance face Durham, altho the address is on Shepherd).

                                  I've also had good CFS at Hickory Hollow, Pig Stand (as Lone Star mentioned) and Avalon Diner. There are 3 HHs; the one on Waugh just off Washington is the one I've been to. Also good catfish and burgers. Their CFS comes with brown cream gravy, btw. Avalon Diner is the remnant of the old legendary Avalon Drug, also with 3 locations. The one in Sugarland/Stafford on 59S is better than the one in Greenway Plaza. I've never been to the one on Westheimer. I had a great burger and banana malt at the one on 59S last week.

                                  It'd be hard for me to pick the best of these, much less claim to pick the best in Houston.

                                  Robert del Grande's Rio Ranch serves an $18 CF sirloin! Ouisie's Table, which used to be near Rice U in the 70s but now is on San Felipe in River Oaks, has a CF Ribeye as a Tuesday special. People also rave about the CFS special at Lankford Grocery (Tuesday, I think) but I always go there for the burger and haven't tried any of these.

                                  Update: had the CFS at Jax on Shepherd today. It's deep fried. The good: best cream gravy I've encountered recently; golden, crispy crust. There was too much batter for the steak, meaning some bites were nothing but crispy fried batter and gravy! MMMMMMM .

                                  The bad: toughest piece of meat I've had for CFS in some time. I've had better at Steak Kuntry AYCE buffet. Also, too much gravy - crust got too soggy.

                                  Maybe just a bad sample. Jax does other things well, but I may just stick to the mesquite burgers.
                                   
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                                    Grillmeister

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                                    RE: Chicken Fried Steak Sun, 07/25/04 10:19 PM (permalink)
                                    FYI: The place Bobby Flay went to was the Ranchman Steak House in Ponder, TX (near Denton/Ft. Worth).
                                    I usually get a steak there, but my daughter likes their CFS. Of course the steak that the owner made on TV looked much bigger than the one she got with her order. I recall hearing somewhere that the baked potato they serve is a tradition peculiar to that restaurant (call ahead for a spud).
                                    If anyone ever finds themselves around Sherman, TX (broken down car, hiding from the law, etc.) then try a place called Tracks. Pretty good CFS!
                                     
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                                      alb

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                                      RE: Chicken Fried Steak Tue, 07/27/04 3:26 PM (permalink)
                                      My first post, my favorite food....
                                      The best CFS I've ever had out was in Brenham TX, (also the home of Blue Bell ice cream) at the Country Inn II on Horton St. Wonderful coating and hung off the edges of the plate. Cream gravy was served on the side. Of course the best is served from my own kitchen!

                                      Oh yeah...IMHO, properly made CFS is always prepared in a cast iron skillet.
                                       
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                                        Legran22

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                                        RE: Chicken Fried Steak Tue, 08/3/04 6:07 PM (permalink)
                                        quote:
                                        Originally posted by alb

                                        My first post, my favorite food....
                                        The best CFS I've ever had out was in Brenham TX, (also the home of Blue Bell ice cream) at the Country Inn II on Horton St. Wonderful coating and hung off the edges of the plate. Cream gravy was served on the side. Of course the best is served from my own kitchen!

                                        Oh yeah...IMHO, properly made CFS is always prepared in a cast iron skillet.
                                         
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                                          Legran22

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                                          RE: Chicken Fried Steak Tue, 08/3/04 6:43 PM (permalink)
                                          I am from a family of ranching heritage that came to Texas in 1870 and I grew up in the fifties in far West Texas but moved to Houston after college. I have been eating CFS since I had teeth. Likely before. I have eaten CFS from Amarillo to Brownsville and from Beaumont to El Paso and at nearly every little hole in the wall roadside cafe in between. I have eaten nearly as much CFS as I have eaten enchiladas or barbecue. And that is a lot. Cattle sale barns restaurants used to always be a good bet for authentic fresh off the hoof CFS, but there are not as many around as there use to be. The one in Taylor still makes a good one. In order for CFS to be authentic the breading must be crispy but stay on the meat. It must be pan fried at a medium high heat. Deep frying will not do that. Its still a CFS deep fried, just not as good. The meat must not be stringy or tough to chew. A good one can be cut with a fork. It must be served with mashed potatoes (no real Texan leaves the skin on his taters) and bacon cooked green beans. Spinach or turnip reens and fried okra (dirt snot) are also very acceptable sides. It must also be accompanied by grilled Texas toast. If you don't know what that is, then it probably won't matter to you anyway. Sweetened ice tea is the preferred beverage. And everything must be topped off with black peppered cream gravy and then you add a bunch more black pepper after its served. CFS can not have too much black pepper. I've eaten the one you recommend in Johnson City (only restaurant in town, Junction of Hwy 281 and Hwy 290) and it is certainly good. But on my word as a pedigreed CFS connoisseur, the best in Texas, and therefore the world, is down Hwy 281 north from there about 20 miles at the Blue Bonnet Cafe just over the Colorado River bridge in Marble Falls, Tx. Been in business since 1927. If you look up CFS in the dictionary, the Blue Bonnet Cafe's picture is beside the definition. And while you're there, mozy on down the road to Llano and eat some barbecue at Coopers.
                                           
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                                            Danmel

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                                            RE: Chicken Fried Steak Tue, 08/3/04 10:36 PM (permalink)
                                            In NYC, you can get good chicken fried steak at Tennessee Mountain in SOHO. I've been there a number of times and everything I've had there is good. Granted, I'm not an expert on CFS having grown up in Brooklyn, which while having many good points, is not known for it's CFS, but THis place is good http://www.tnmountain.com


                                             
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                                              fcbaldwin

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                                              RE: Chicken Fried Steak Wed, 08/4/04 9:42 AM (permalink)
                                              I'm definitely not an expert on CFS, but Karen's Diner on W. Broad St. here in Richmond has it as one of the lunch specials once or twice a week. I have to say that it's very good. The batter is lightly seasoned, the gravy is the white peppered creamy kind. On the side are real mashed potatoes, and the other day, being that sweet corn is in season, they had homemade (shaved off the cob) creamed corn instead of the usual green beans. Really good.

                                              Frank
                                               
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                                                fcbaldwin

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                                                RE: Chicken Fried Steak Mon, 08/16/04 10:07 AM (permalink)
                                                quote:
                                                Originally posted by MikeSh

                                                I've eaten and cooked CFS from 1 coast to the other and back again for 40 some years and this is what I've learned.
                                                1) You use round steak that you tenderize or use cube steak, in a real butcher shop they run a round steak thru the tenderizer if ya ask them too.
                                                2) You whip up some eggs with a pinch of salt and a lil cold water. You use any old flour and spice it up with S&P for sure and I always put in some garlic powder.
                                                3) You dredge, dip & dredge again. I use a ziploc bag for the dredging part. Cuts down on the mess.
                                                4) You fry the meat in a pan with a couple big spoons full of Crisco. I switched over to butter flavor a couple years ago.
                                                5) Once all the meat is fried and sitting on a plate in a warm oven you add some of the leftover flour to the fry pan, stir up a roux, brown it some and then start adding milk tell ya get a nice gravy.
                                                6) Serve with mashed taters and some greens.
                                                One of the best things to every come out of Texas, excepting maybe both of my parents.

                                                MikeS.


                                                Mike:
                                                I tried to fix CFS this past Friday evening. Pretty much followed your classic method as outlined above. Used cube steak bought at Food Lion. I didn't try to do any additional tenderizing/pounding. It came out stringy and tough. I don't know if I did something wrong or if it was just tough meat. I will say that the crispy coating and gravy from the drippings were great. But the tough meat ruined it. I probably need to try round steak that I tenderize/pound myself next time.

                                                Frank
                                                 
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                                                  1bbqboy

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                                                  RE: Chicken Fried Steak Mon, 08/16/04 12:11 PM (permalink)
                                                  Chicken fried steaks accross Kansas:
                                                  http://www.explorekansas.org/chicken.html
                                                  ....And Frank, YES! You have to pound your own. It's required for this course. I would sprinkle some flour on the steak also as you're using the back side of a knife to do both sides, both directions-that's what breaks the fibers down .
                                                  Bill
                                                   
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                                                    fcbaldwin

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                                                    RE: Chicken Fried Steak Mon, 08/16/04 1:27 PM (permalink)
                                                    quote:
                                                    Originally posted by bill voss

                                                    Chicken fried steaks accross Kansas:
                                                    http://www.explorekansas.org/chicken.html
                                                    ....And Frank, YES! You have to pound your own. It's required for this course. I would sprinkle some flour on the steak also as you're using the back side of a knife to do both sides, both directions-that's what breaks the fibers down .
                                                    Bill


                                                    Bill: That's a great link. And I'll get it right with the CFS next time! Thanks.

                                                    Frank
                                                     
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                                                      Lunza

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                                                      RE: Chicken Fried Steak Mon, 08/16/04 4:55 PM (permalink)
                                                      quote:
                                                      Originally posted by Bushie

                                                      Mr. Mayor, the terms are interchangeable as far as I'm concerned.

                                                      And, to tell the truth, I've only ordered CFS in the West a few times. Each time, it's been served with brown gravy, as yumbo experienced, so I stopped ordering it long ago.


                                                      I haven't ordered it that often out here in California, but I've never seen it served with brown gravy. We HATES brown gravy! Ick!
                                                       
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                                                        Lunza

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                                                        RE: Chicken Fried Steak Mon, 08/16/04 5:11 PM (permalink)
                                                        quote:
                                                        Originally posted by Lucky Bishop

                                                        ...what's with that little pissant scoop of mashed potatoes? Triple that, and peel 'em the next time, fer cryin' out loud!


                                                        No! Don't peel them! That's the best part!
                                                         
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                                                          RE: Chicken Fried Steak Mon, 08/16/04 6:45 PM (permalink)
                                                          quote:
                                                          Originally posted by Lunza

                                                          quote:
                                                          Originally posted by Bushie

                                                          Mr. Mayor, the terms are interchangeable as far as I'm concerned.

                                                          And, to tell the truth, I've only ordered CFS in the West a few times. Each time, it's been served with brown gravy, as yumbo experienced, so I stopped ordering it long ago.


                                                          I haven't ordered it that often out here in California, but I've never seen it served with brown gravy. We HATES brown gravy! Ick!


                                                          Funny, but I've never seen it with anything else but a white gravy here in CA. Had one in Ventura yesterday, as a matter of fact-----CFS with biscuits and gravy and home fries at the Main Street Cafe and Steakhouse in Ventura. CFS was freshly made and only lightly battered. Same gravy on the biscuits---nice and white! Yummy way to start the morning!
                                                           
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                                                            Lunza

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                                                            RE: Chicken Fried Steak Tue, 08/17/04 4:29 PM (permalink)
                                                            quote:
                                                            Originally posted by EdSails

                                                            quote:
                                                            Originally posted by Lunza

                                                            quote:
                                                            Originally posted by Bushie

                                                            Mr. Mayor, the terms are interchangeable as far as I'm concerned.

                                                            And, to tell the truth, I've only ordered CFS in the West a few times. Each time, it's been served with brown gravy, as yumbo experienced, so I stopped ordering it long ago.


                                                            I haven't ordered it that often out here in California, but I've never seen it served with brown gravy. We HATES brown gravy! Ick!


                                                            Funny, but I've never seen it with anything else but a white gravy here in CA. Had one in Ventura yesterday, as a matter of fact-----CFS with biscuits and gravy and home fries at the Main Street Cafe and Steakhouse in Ventura. CFS was freshly made and only lightly battered. Same gravy on the biscuits---nice and white! Yummy way to start the morning!


                                                            Now I'm going to have to make some. Excuse me while I drool.
                                                             
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