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Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/01 13:14:04
quote:
Originally posted by TJ Jackson

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

Of course it's chili. Didn't I call it Cincinnati chili?

err.....you also said

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

......and I don't care that it's not chili.


so.....you're waffling :-) Not surprising given your interest in a certain local hash-brown heaven :-)

Ever consider a career in politics? :-)

I'm not waffling.I'm not even Waffle Housing. As far as I'm concerned it is definitely Cincinnati chili.
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/01 13:37:20
Very well then :-)
porkbeaks
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/01 15:15:59
Can we all accept the statement that "Cincinnati Chili is to chili as Hawaiian Pizza is to pizza?" pb
PapaJoe8
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/01 15:47:48
Well put PB! Now we need for you to get to work on world peace! :~)

We have had these same type discussions about Pizza. Someone said not to call that round mac n cheese stuff pizza, or the PBnJ round things. But... if they call it Pizza on the menu it might be a Pizza.
Joe
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/01 16:01:28
quote:
Originally posted by porkbeaks

Can we all accept the statement that "Cincinnati Chili is to chili as Hawaiian Pizza is to pizza?" pb

Not I. Cincinnati chili actually is made with chili powder. But pineapple on dough ...?
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/01 16:26:00
It is a nice effort at a compromise, Porkbeaks, but no....the correct statement is "Cincinnati chili is chili" ala "Maryland crabcakes are crabcakes" and "White rice is rice"
CajunKing
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/01 16:58:31
PJ8

I have a good friend that manages the Skyline here in Lawrenceburg, IN. The local skylines don't know what is in the chili. It comes frozen from the commisary in big blocks.

According to him, even the commisary people do not know the whole recipe. the spices come pre mixed in a bag. So they add part A to Part B and Part C, heat and stir, then freeze.

I have eaten skyline for 30 yrs, I know there is no actually celery in the cincinnati chili, but who knows if celery salt is in there.

As for the argument about Cincy style chili being real chili??

You say Toe May Toe, I say Toe May Tah, you say Poe Tay Toe, i say Poe tah tah

If you like it eat and enjoy it!!!!!!!!
PapaJoe8
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/01 17:25:15
Ahhh, celery salt!!!! Thanks CK! Could be why soooo many Cincy chili recipes call for celery???? If celery salt is good on a Chicago Dog.............
Joe
FlippyTheRed
Hamburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/02 00:40:02
quote:

As for the argument about Cincy style chili being real chili??


To me, the only real chili is a heaping four-way, with extra oyster crackers and an extra squeeze of hot sauce. If you don't think that's chili then that's just your problem.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/02 11:38:40
quote:
Originally posted by FlippyTheRed

quote:

As for the argument about Cincy style chili being real chili??


To me, the only real chili is a heaping four-way, with extra oyster crackers and an extra squeeze of hot sauce.

How sad.
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/02 12:06:29
I'm just as much in disagreement with this statement (the polar opposite of earlier statements) that Cincinnati Chili is the ONLY chili
jmckee
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/02 12:51:21
I frankly don't think there is any one dish that is "real" chili. There's the beanless Texas variety, the "wacky" (a Stern word) Cincinnati stuff, the chile of the Southwest, basically a spare and elegant stew of pure chile pepper, and many other things in between. As outlined in Jane Butel's "Chili Madness" and the Sterns' own "Chili Nation", Chili in all its forms is a truly multistate passion.

And the search for "purity" can be counter productive. Calvin Trillin punctuates a story in one of his books about the people who say "this isn't the true Aioli" or "they don't make Boulliabase this way in France" by remembering a time he was eating Gazpacho at a friend's house, and holding forth on how this differed from the authentic version he had in Spain. As he wolfed down more of the Gazpacho, he realized that one way it was different from the Genuine Article was that it tasted better.

He also said, in a piece about Cincinnati chili, "I like chili, but not enough to argue about it with anybody from Texas."

Which is good, because, as the late Charles Kuralt said in a piece about a Texas Chili Cook-Off, "Texans will argue about anything."
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/02 14:52:27
A little fuel to the fire. Please read before you debate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_con_carne

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/02 15:05:16
quote:
Originally posted by Sundancer7

A little fuel to the fire. Please read before you debate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_con_carne

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN


As is so often the case with anything in Wikipedia, the orgins are wrong.
Scorereader
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/02 19:07:32
in the very least, the wikipedia entry shows that there is no single absolute chili. The origins of a food can always be contested.
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/02 19:20:18
I let it drop

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
dahl
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/02 23:10:37
quote:
Originally posted by jmckee

I frankly don't think there is any one dish that is "real" chili...

Well, just what makes chili, chili, then? (or chile, chile?) I was born in New Mexico, and grew up in Albuquerque. My Mom was Mexican, my Dad Norwegian. I’m sure that I have chile in my blood. I don’t remember having pureed green chile as a baby, but I can’t swear that it didn’t happen, either. From my experience (and I think that I’ve eaten chile (or chili) in every state but North Dakota) if it tastes like chile, it IS chili.
First and foremost, it has to have the flavor of the pod. Whether red or green, fresh, frozen, chopped, diced, dried, ground into a powder, whatever—if it doesn’t have that taste, it is NOT chili. If it doesn’t also have the flavors of Mexican oregano, cumin, and red meat, you’ll have an uphill fight convincing me to call it chili. Having said that, I will admit to having had more than one bowl of vegetarian chili that I would accept as the real McCoy. Likewise chile verde in Arizona where I could taste no cumin whatsoever. If it tastes like chile, it is.
quote:
Originally posted by jmckee

I frankly don't think there is any one dish that is "real" chili...
I’ll agree with that, I’m not a member of the P. C. (pure chili) police. But some things just should not be called chili.

I don’t want to see somebody making a concoction of lobster, codfish, clams, goose breast, and peppercorns, tossing in a half tsp of cumin, serving it with cranberries on top of seaweed, and calling it “Maine Chili.” I don’t want my Dad to make a spicy stew with lutefisk and sour cream, and call it “Oslo Chili.” Back in the sixties, my mother-in-law in Omaha used to fry up some hamburger, add a teasppoon of chili powder, a can of kidney beans, a can of Campbells tomato soup, and call it chili. It wasn't. But she was sure that the spicy foods I favored (very rare in those years in someone named Dahlquist) would kill me before age thirty.

I’ll accept Cincinnati Chili only because the term is so well known and is descriptive of a particular food. That, after all, is the point of naming things.
I’ll accept chicken fried steak for the same reason. Even though it is not chicken, (arguably not steak either) if I see it on a menu, I know exactly what to expect on my plate.
Likewise, although soda crackers are made with baking soda, and cornbread with corn, where’s the oysters in oyster crackers? I won’t go in to the missing HAM in hamburger. The point is that that some food names (including Cincinnati Chili) enjoy such widespread acceptance and use that there is no point in trying to suppress them out of some silly sense of linguistic purity.
dahl
soozycue520
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/03 00:40:05
Cincinnati Public Library blog, quoting the Sterns in "Chili Nation":

http://www2.cincinnatilibrary.org/blog/entries/chili-nation
ncmike1
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/03 12:48:43
Cincinnati Public Library blog, quoting the Sterns in "Chili Nation":


Oh, what do THEY know? LOL
porkbeaks
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/03 13:26:50
Cincinnati loosemeat can't be far off. pb

Also, interesting read:
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/09/04/Weekend/Yo__try_this_cheesest.shtml
PapaJoe8
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/03 14:35:53
For some wild chili ideas read the fantasy chili parlor thread. Note: chili purest warning!

Oh, the Roadfood discription of this section mentions Cinci chili.
Joe
Josquin
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/04 15:34:43
So, on the stove right now is simmering a slightly tweaked version of Batch #13 from the Beergeek website. I upped the chocolate to an ounce, and halved the brown sugar, since the last batch I made struck me as a little sweet. My house smells wonderful, and I can't wait to dig in. I'll let you known about the changes. You know, maybe the trouble with duplicating Skyline is that most of the time I was coming directly from the bar. Maybe I should relax about the recipe and have a few beers first. Anyway, what I find interesting about this stuff is that there is almost no consensus among posted recipes. It's weird. Maybe that just comes from being secretive about the real thing. But it seems no two recipes I find agree even on the basic points, like whether or not to brown, whether or not to add onion, and so on and so on.... I've even seen quotes like, "You know you're in a fake chili parlor when they....", followed by a detail with which I totally disagree. No matter what the variation, folks are passionate about this stuff.

Cheers,

Jos
PapaJoe8
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/04 18:34:22
Jos, the fantasy thread was about what you would serve in your chili parlor if you had one. It kinda evolved into a giant chili parlor w/ everyones ideas. It has a REAL LARGE menu!!!!!
Joe
Fieldthistle
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/05 03:08:19
Hello All,
All I care is if it tastes good.
Take Care,
Fieldthistle
Dan Wathen
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/08 11:54:54
Cincy Chili is really Greek spagetti sauce which has cinnamon and choclate in the recipe. It is then put over noodles with the additon of shredded cheese. Options are beans and onions which complate a 5 way. The best and oldest is Skyline started by the Lambrinides family. For many it is a acquired taste. I love it.
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/08 12:15:52
Welcome to the boards, Dan

Cincy Chili is really chili, not a spaghetti sauce.
porkbeaks
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/08 12:17:51
quote:
Originally posted by TJ Jackson

Welcome to the boards, Dan

Cincy Chili is really chili, not a spaghetti sauce.


No, it's not. It's a spaghetti sauce. Welcome to the boards, Dan! pb
RibRater
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/08 12:26:04
FWIW

http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Chili/ChiliHistory.htm



1922 - Cincinnati style chili is quite different from its more familiar Texas cousin. It is unique to the Cincinnati area and it was created in 1922 by a Macedonian immigrant, Tom (Athanas) Kiradjieff. He settled in Cincinnati with his brother, John, and opened a hot dog stand with Greek food called the Empress, only to do a lousy business because nobody there at the time knew anything about Greek food. So, it is said, that they called their spaghetti chili. He created a chili made with Middle Eastern spices which could be served a variety of ways. His "five-way" was a concoction of a mound of spaghetti topped with chili, then with chopped onion, then red kidney beans, then shredded yellow cheese, and served with oyster crackers and a side order of hot dogs topped with shredded cheese.




Although that site has a long list of sources it is quoting, I'm not sure where the cincinnati chili info came from.

jmckee
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/08 12:36:53
quote:
Originally posted by porkbeaks

quote:
Originally posted by TJ Jackson

Welcome to the boards, Dan

Cincy Chili is really chili, not a spaghetti sauce.


No, it's not. It's a spaghetti sauce. Welcome to the boards, Dan! pb


Oh for gosh sakes, no it's not. It's chili. One of many, many, MANY MANY MANY different forms of chili in America.

To say that there's only one form of chili is like saying there's only one form of barbecue. Or that either thin crust or thick crust pizza is the only form of pizza. And being good Roadfooders we know better..
jojofez
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/15 16:34:39
quote:
Originally posted by TJ Jackson

Welcome to the boards, Dan

Cincy Chili is really chili, not a spaghetti sauce.


I grew up eating homemade, thick con carne. I moved to Kentucky and all you could get was Gold Star. To my tastes, it was closer to spaghetti sauce than chili, and not on the "good" side of either. The locals swear by it though.
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/15 17:00:25
*shrug*

I might move to Arizona, taste the chili there, and decide it somewhat resembles relish or salsa......but would respect that it is still chili.

A variant on what I am used to, but still chili.

Perhaps not pleasing to my palate, but still chili.

etc

CajunKing
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/08/15 17:49:22
I was thinking the same thing TJ

kaulback157
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/09/14 18:07:39
From where I hail, it is Chili Mac now matter where I have been it is still just good chili on top of spaghetti
Goobzilla
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/10/18 03:39:45
Soooo....

Which one of these should I order online to try out? I'm curious to try Cincinnati Chili so I want to get a few cans shipped to me. Probably not as good as getting it right in the chili parlor, but the best I can do for now given my location.

Dixie, Skyline, Gold Star? Some other brand I can order online?

Thanks a lot!

Ron
Centralia, WA
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/10/18 10:35:00
I don't think you'll get a consensus of opinion - each of the chains you mention has it's devotees.

Each will give you a sense of what Cincinnati style chili is, albeit the experience is best at one of the actual chili parlors, and the independent chili parlors (none of which ship their products) tend to be better.

If this helps....Skyline is the biggest chain and does the most in sales....Dixie is the smallest.
jmckee
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/10/18 10:42:56
quote:
Originally posted by TJ Jackson

I don't think you'll get a consensus of opinion - each of the chains you mention has it's devotees.

Each will give you a sense of what Cincinnati style chili is, albeit the experience is best at one of the actual chili parlors, and the independent chili parlors (none of which ship their products) tend to be better.

If this helps....Skyline is the biggest chain and does the most in sales....Dixie is the smallest.


The only one I don't really like is Gold Star. I have always found it to have a spicy bite at the back of the throat that is not altogether pleasant.

The neighborhood parlors, such as Price Hill Chili and Blue Ash Chili, are also well worth examining.
RibRater
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/10/18 10:52:59
I tried the frozen and didn't like it but I just looked at skyline's website and they have a location about 4 hours from me..i think I'll take a saturday morning road trip and give it a try. i'm guessing that the 5 way is the place to start..? (the chili fries look pretty good)
jmckee
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/10/18 11:08:18
quote:
Originally posted by Larry - RibRater - Jay

I tried the frozen and didn't like it but I just looked at skyline's website and they have a location about 4 hours from me..i think I'll take a saturday morning road trip and give it a try. i'm guessing that the 5 way is the place to start..? (the chili fries look pretty good)


I like the five-way as a starting point. As Calvin Trillin once wrote, "I have never tried the unadorned version of anything. I like everything with everything."
RibRater
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/10/18 11:15:51
great quote! 5 way it is then.
CajunKing
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/10/18 15:06:47
I always get my 5 way "Wet" in which they add a little extra chili to the top.

You have to get some cheese coneys to go with the 5 way

The chili fries are to me disappointing, skyline is a thinner chili so it makes the fries soggy.


RibRater
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/10/18 15:28:07
ok, will pass on the fries and get 1 coney
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/10/18 15:28:16
quote:
Originally posted by CajunKing

I always get my 5 way "Wet" in which they add a little extra chili to the top.

But also ask for the spaghetti "well drained" or "dry" so that less of the water the spaghetti sits in ends up in the bottom of your dish.

Cincy chili is thin enough - no more water needed or wanted :-)
soozycue520
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/10/18 22:31:34
I was just talking to someone tonight about my "love" of chili cheese sandwiches {no hot dog}.

Although every single franchise of any "Cincy chili chain" makes it different, the chili soaks into the bun. Less soakage with cheese on the bottom, more if there is none. But the "chili soakage" is a good thing.

Yep, sometimes you cannot pick up a chili cheese sammich, but a fork doesn't change the taste. Cheaper than a four-way, and way tastier IMHO. At some of the less popular chains, the "dirty water dogs" can be {not talking about the big chains, like Skyline, Gold Star, or even the independent Camp Washington}. Turn over is a good thing!!

Back to the point{?}, if you are buying the canned stuff, I think Dixie Chili is your best bet. And how about Empress? It IS the original. And they do sell it in cans.
Goobzilla
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/11/11 02:45:21
Ok,

So I figured I'd follow up with my 1st foray into Cincinnati chili. I ordered 6 cans from Gold Star's website. I brought it into work and made a batch for my whole night crew. A little 3 way (onions on request) for a dozen people. Long story short, everyone loved it! We're already looking forward to our next order. The shipping is kind of a killer to Washington state, how does Gold Star's dry mix pouches compare to the canned stuff? Might save us a few $$$. Next time we think we're doing coneys and either 3 way fries or baked potatoes. It's always fun to discover a new regional taste. Now everyone's mad I only got the 6 cans because it went FAST!

Thanks RF'ers!
Ron
Centralia, WA
Josquin
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/11/21 08:35:43
Ron, I'm glad everyone enjoyed. It's a dangerous habit, though, because there's really no other food that does that job. There are some pretty good recipes online, and it's not too tough to make large batches from scratch. There's a very odd site called Beergeek.com that I've been using. The guy who runs it is on a quest to duplicate Skyline at home (a notch or two above Gold Star, IMHO). Anyhow, I don't like the most recent recipe (15), because I disagree with the addition of chopped onion. Back me up here, people, it's not in the real deal. But recipe 13 makes a pretty darned fine batch of chili. I know some of my forum-mates were perplexed by the recipe, but I make it often, and it satisfies the craving.

You know, I've never served this to anyone who didn't love it. Why is it that they don't seem to have much luck expanding their range? We could sure use one up here in Minnesota.

Cheers,

Jos
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/11/21 09:15:22

Congratulations, Ron, on introducing a new experience to your friends. My first experience with Cincinnati-style Chili came during a lunch when I interviewed for a job here in southern Indiana back in 1978. The chili was served in a cup like soup would be, which was fine. The taste was unique, which was also fine...but then i found pasta in the bottom of the cup and I about lost my lunch! I thought I had been served my chili in a "USED CUP" (READ DIRTY-DISH). I had never seen Spagetti served like that before. After the first shock everything was fine !

Like TJ mentions in his post, I wish they would drain the pasta better when they build a 5 way,etc, I don't like the watery remains in the plate! Perhaps serving in a soup bowl with a soup spoon like other Chili's would work...but a fork on a watery plate makes for many 'spills'.
CajunKing
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2007/12/08 18:08:56
quote:
Originally posted by Goobzilla

Ok,

So I figured I'd follow up with my 1st foray into Cincinnati chili. I ordered 6 cans from Gold Star's website. I brought it into work and made a batch for my whole night crew. A little 3 way (onions on request) for a dozen people. Long story short, everyone loved it! We're already looking forward to our next order. The shipping is kind of a killer to Washington state, how does Gold Star's dry mix pouches compare to the canned stuff? Might save us a few $$$. Next time we think we're doing coneys and either 3 way fries or baked potatoes. It's always fun to discover a new regional taste. Now everyone's mad I only got the 6 cans because it went FAST!

Thanks RF'ers!
Ron
Centralia, WA


If you get the dry mix pouches of skyline or gold star, you can make a very good substitute for the canned or the real thing.

If you do get the seasoning pouches

Make sure to simmer it for at least 90 minutes, this helps the beef to break down into the fine grind which is the key.
Goobzilla
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/07 07:51:55
So an update on bringing Cincinnati chili to the Pacific Northwest. We mail ordered 10 cans of Skyline and had another chili night out here at work. I now see why this brand war is such a hot button issue in the Cincinnati area. The crew was pretty much split down the middle on which one they liked better the Skyline or the Gold Star from our 1st time. Horse trading of cans of one brand for another took place the next night. The good news is we decided that next time we will get some Dixie in the interest of trying all the canned varieties.
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/07 16:46:28
Each time I fly through the Cincy airport, I always have some Gold Star in concourse B.

It is always delicious.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
dahl
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/07 19:14:00
Had some similar food over the holidays. We had an old fashioned Christmas caroling party and a family provided supper after we all stood out in the cold singing. One of the things served was kind of a cross between loose meat sandwiches (called Sloppy Joes around here) and Cincinnati chili. The host served it either over spaghetti with shredded cheese and chopped onions or on a bun and you could add your own shredded cheese, pickles, or chopped onions. A lot thicker than the Cincinnati chili that I remember having, and didn't taste much like chili to me.
Also while on the road at a place called the Old Nashville Chili Parlor and Fish House I had chili served over spaghetti but that tasted more like Texas style chili with a lot more cumin and chili flavor. Similar to what I've had before at the O. T. Hodge Chili Parlors in St. Louis, served Cincinnati style, but tasting more like chili.
dahl
Oops! That's the Old LOUISVILLE Chili Parlor and Fish House.
Davydd
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/07 19:34:48
Sloppy Joes, Loosemeat and Cincinnati Chili are three separate things as well as ground sausage in spaghetti sauce on spaghetti. I'm sure there are variations but isn't the actual chili as in Cincinnati chili a different taste and flavoring as opposed to, say, a Texas variety?

I grew up in Indianapolis thinking chili always had chopped up spaghetti mixed in with the chili. That's the way my mom always made it.
dahl
Junior Burger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/08 19:17:24
quote:
Originally posted by Davydd

Sloppy Joes, Loosemeat and Cincinnati Chili are three separate things as well as ground sausage in spaghetti sauce on spaghetti. I'm sure there are variations but isn't the actual chili as in Cincinnati chili a different taste and flavoring as opposed to, say, a Texas variety?
I agree Davydd. But if Cincinnati chili is a just different tasting chili, then why can't sloppy joe meat served Cincy style just be different tasting Cincy chili??

I enjoy that Skyline stuff. I seek it out when I drive through Ohio twice a year. Just off I-480 in Cleveland. Four way with onions. But to me it is not chili. Same way that a "hamburger steak" to me is NOT a steak, no matter what it is called.

I like root beer too, and I'll ask for it by name. but you'll never convince me that it's beer.
dahl
porkbeaks
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/08 19:20:44
quote:
Originally posted by dahl

quote:
Originally posted by Davydd

Sloppy Joes, Loosemeat and Cincinnati Chili are three separate things as well as ground sausage in spaghetti sauce on spaghetti. I'm sure there are variations but isn't the actual chili as in Cincinnati chili a different taste and flavoring as opposed to, say, a Texas variety?
I agree Davydd. But if Cincinnati chili is a just different tasting chili, then why can't sloppy joe meat served Cincy style just be different tasting Cincy chili??

I enjoy that Skyline stuff. I seek it out when I drive through Ohio twice a year. Just off I-480 in Cleveland. Four way with onions. But to me it is not chili. Same way that a "hamburger steak" to me is NOT a steak, no matter what it is called.

I like root beer too, and I'll ask for it by name. but you'll never convince me that it's beer.
dahl


Amen to that, brother!
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/08 19:59:51
Odd.....despite the stated focus of this website, you two have no tolerance for regional variations in food?

Really?

C'mon now, you're pulling our collective leg here, right?
porkbeaks
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/08 20:55:37
quote:
Originally posted by TJ Jackson

Odd.....despite the stated focus of this website, you two have no tolerance for regional variations in food?

Really?

C'mon now, you're pulling our collective leg here, right?


Hey TJ, at least the other poster likes the stuff. pb
Davydd
Sirloin
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/08 21:42:09
quote:
Originally posted by dahl

quote:
Originally posted by Davydd

Sloppy Joes, Loosemeat and Cincinnati Chili are three separate things as well as ground sausage in spaghetti sauce on spaghetti. I'm sure there are variations but isn't the actual chili as in Cincinnati chili a different taste and flavoring as opposed to, say, a Texas variety?
I agree Davydd. But if Cincinnati chili is a just different tasting chili, then why can't sloppy joe meat served Cincy style just be different tasting Cincy chili??

I enjoy that Skyline stuff. I seek it out when I drive through Ohio twice a year. Just off I-480 in Cleveland. Four way with onions. But to me it is not chili. Same way that a "hamburger steak" to me is NOT a steak, no matter what it is called.

I like root beer too, and I'll ask for it by name. but you'll never convince me that it's beer.
dahl

It is not a question whether you like it or not. If the chili is not the ingredients associated with Cincinnati chili of Greek origin then it is not Cincinnati chili. It is a regional variation of chili for sure as there are other variations of chili around the country. But loosemeat or sloppy joe is in no way considered a chili anywhere that I am aware of. If you want to put loosemeat or sloppy joe on spaghetti I'm sure a Cincinnatian would not agree with you just like a Texan would would not agree to have chili with beans in it. As TJ alluded, have you no respect for regional foods?
porkbeaks
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/08 21:49:21
quote:
Originally posted by Davydd

quote:
Originally posted by dahl

quote:
Originally posted by Davydd

Sloppy Joes, Loosemeat and Cincinnati Chili are three separate things as well as ground sausage in spaghetti sauce on spaghetti. I'm sure there are variations but isn't the actual chili as in Cincinnati chili a different taste and flavoring as opposed to, say, a Texas variety?
I agree Davydd. But if Cincinnati chili is a just different tasting chili, then why can't sloppy joe meat served Cincy style just be different tasting Cincy chili??

I enjoy that Skyline stuff. I seek it out when I drive through Ohio twice a year. Just off I-480 in Cleveland. Four way with onions. But to me it is not chili. Same way that a "hamburger steak" to me is NOT a steak, no matter what it is called.

I like root beer too, and I'll ask for it by name. but you'll never convince me that it's beer.
dahl

It is not a question whether you like it or not. If the chili is not the ingredients associated with Cincinnati chili of Greek origin then it is not Cincinnati chili. It is a regional variation of chili for sure as there are other variations of chili around the country. But loosemeat or sloppy joe is in no way considered a chili anywhere that I am aware of. If you want to put loosemeat or sloppy joe on spaghetti I'm sure a Cincinnatian would not agree with you just like a Texan would would not agree to have chili with beans in it. As TJ alluded, have you no respect for regional foods?


I have the respect. It's just in this case I'd call it a respect for the Greek/Cincinnati variation of spaghetti sauce. The fact that I don't care for it has no bearing on that respect. pb
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/01/09 01:23:26
If you respect it, you call it what it is called by those living here.

If you respect kringle, for example, you don't go to Milwaukee and tell everyone it's really a big ole coffeecake. No, respect dictates you call it what the locals call it.....kringle.

That said, it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other if you respect it or not. I do care (a little) that you have made the effort here to claim (more than once, I think, over the course of time) that you do have that respect -- and yet by your own words you do not offer the respect you claim you have.

Oh no! Now I'm gonna have to go get me a "Respect the Chili" teeshirt....ok, exiting soapbox, sorry folks :-)
porkbeaks
Double Chili Cheeseburger
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/02/13 17:05:28
The folks at Chowhound are currently voicing their opinions on this subject. Sounds kind of familiar. Read[url='http://www.chowhound.com/topics/487643']here[/url]. pb
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
RE: Cincinnati Chili 2008/02/13 21:52:41
If you mean that there are those who understand and those that do not, agreed.....
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