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PurpleCheetah

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Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Thu, 03/15/12 1:39 AM (permalink)
Chicnscoop


I would think just glueing the frp to the insulation and studs would let the frp sag on the ceiling. The plywood or osb gives you a way to affix the panels better.

I was thinking of screwing it to the studs, but I do see your point
 
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    Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Thu, 03/15/12 1:45 AM (permalink)
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    Also, you can't really screw anything into the walls at random locations. I'm talking about lightweight hooks, brackets, etc.
    1/4" ply or osb won't give a ton of structure, but it'll hold a knife magnet, for instance.

    so you think I need thicker boards mofood? I only have 82" to work with I'm trying to keep some aisle space which is the reason I wanted to skip the boards or go as thin as possible, I only plan to mount towel and soap holders, and 1 wall shelf 6' length everything else will be stored waist level on tables or below cabinets. But if I need thicker boards I guess I have to, i don't want the walls to give way after a couple goshes down the road
     
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      Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Thu, 03/15/12 1:52 AM (permalink)
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      There's a common 3/16 ply sheet that has a pretty fine surface on both sides.  Most big places will have plenty of it for about $10 per sheet.  It cuts great on a table saw but will tear out a bit if you're not careful with a jigsaw or handsaw.  FRP glues to it nicely.  You can cut your pieces to fit, then glue FRP on with trim if you want, and screw the whole thing up.

      I'd put stainless right over that and have 4+ inches of clearance from any major heat sources.  
      Ok so go thinner cut the board and frp put those together then screw the walls up?

       
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        Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Thu, 03/15/12 10:34 AM (permalink)
        IMO plywood is necessary. In my trailer that I am building they used 3/8 ply and thats what is in my ice cream truck. I did put 1/4" on my ceiling in my trailer build but thats cause the only think and am going to mount on it is some lightweight LED light fixtures. 1/4 ply on walls would seem to thin to hold up shelving loaded with stuff. When I was screwing it to my ceiling my screw gun would occasionally slip off the screw and go right through the plywood. Ofcourse, you could just install your shelf brackets to the studs though.
        PurpleCheetah


        Ok I need an opinion I am thinking about not using the osb board to cover the walls after insulation.....should I NOT go directly with the alum. sheets on hot side(driver) and frp panels on cold side (passenger) of truck.....Apollo carts does not use wood on the walls in their builds I have watched a couple on YouTube and they just insulate, tape and metal sheet???? what do you guys think? I want to keep the walls light and possible and if I do catch fire I will not burn and burn and burn if there is no wood.
        LMK


         
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          Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Thu, 03/15/12 11:53 AM (permalink)
          Applying FRP to the wall boards is easy enough if they're up already.  Getting it to set on the ceiling would be a hassle.  Another 1/8" of ply thickness will hold a bit more weight...but if you're mounting something heavy, you might want to use toggle bolts, or a solid piece of wood behind the wall, or bold all the way through the wall.
           
          I built my truck last spring/summer.  We picked a first event that we felt we had to make.  There was a big month-long push of intense work, 12-16+ hours per day.  We did make the event, but it absolutely wore us out and some things got done in a rush and had to be fixed later.  That was expensive and time consuming.  
           
          So, my suggestion is take your time, make sure it's all done right.  Test your systems before you have to depend on them.  If you have a hard and fast deadline, call in help.  Carve out some operating cash and don't touch it until your rig is finished.
           
          ...and don't forget to have fun!
           
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            Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Thu, 03/15/12 2:34 PM (permalink)
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            So, my suggestion is take your time, make sure it's all done right.  Test your systems before you have to depend on them.  If you have a hard and fast deadline, call in help.  Carve out some operating cash and don't touch it until your rig is finished.

            ...and don't forget to have fun!

             
            Thanks so much, for all the input all. I think I'm gonna go with a slight thicker board for the walls and stay thinner for the ceiling, Ill also install some additional studs across the ceiling to reinforce what is there.....with the roof being fiberglass I don't have much room for screwing or bolting things up to it right now other than the alum. studs that are already in place 2 ft. apart so I need reinforcement there.
             
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              Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Fri, 03/16/12 9:19 AM (permalink)
              I would agree on adding more studs to the ceiling. Mine are 24 on center and wish they were at least 18" but it worked ok. The 1/4 ply sagged a little in between. I used aluminum angle for my ceiling wall trim and  pushed it up against the saggy parts and it all looks good now.
              PurpleCheetah


              Blissful Bite






              So, my suggestion is take your time, make sure it's all done right.  Test your systems before you have to depend on them.  If you have a hard and fast deadline, call in help.  Carve out some operating cash and don't touch it until your rig is finished.

              ...and don't forget to have fun!


              Thanks so much, for all the input all. I think I'm gonna go with a slight thicker board for the walls and stay thinner for the ceiling, Ill also install some additional studs across the ceiling to reinforce what is there.....with the roof being fiberglass I don't have much room for screwing or bolting things up to it right now other than the alum. studs that are already in place 2 ft. apart so I need reinforcement there.


               
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                Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Fri, 03/16/12 11:59 AM (permalink)
                I think your on the right track. I would say 1/4 ply is the min. for wall backing. I think ply will hold a screw a little better than osb. I would go a little thicker if your wall studs are 48" apart. Like closer to 1/2.
                Make sure you snap photos or take notes of your wall studs locations so you can attach heavier things into them with self threading screws.
                 
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                  Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Fri, 03/16/12 5:26 PM (permalink)
                  mofood


                  I think your on the right track. I would say 1/4 ply is the min. for wall backing. I think ply will hold a screw a little better than osb. I would go a little thicker if your wall studs are 48" apart. Like closer to 1/2.
                  Make sure you snap photos or take notes of your wall studs locations so you can attach heavier things into them with self threading screws.

                  Great thanks for that I did decide to use 1/2 ply on the cold (window side of truck)
                   
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                    Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 4:30 PM (permalink)
                    I did get my window in 2 weeks ago, also got the serving shelf up, most all walls (accept stainless which I haven't cut yet) floor is in, counter built for the 3 comp sink, hand sink and towels, soap installed, waste tank mounted, water inlet is inside behind driver seat.......so now I need to run the pex piping, and figure out how to wire the LP water heater and pump ( not really sure how it goes so need to do some reading on that) also need to figure out the waste release hook up all I have on that thus far is the valtrex release don't know what else I need for that....progress is being made but still have a long road ahead it seems.





                     
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                      Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 4:34 PM (permalink)
                      I have another opinion question to ask I have been going back and forth on whether to cut my passenger side wheel well down 5 inches to accommodate my True 48" prep table ( it sits out 2.5" to far) who would do this and Y and who would not and just work around it and Y?
                       
                      If I cut the well down I can move it over 3 inches until it hits the leg on the prep table.
                       
                       
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                        Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 4:38 PM (permalink)
                        Is this what I need to hook my panel up to the generator? maybe not this exact one but is this what the item will consist of?????....I see this one only has 6 circuits and I know I need more but I'm trying to figure out what is going to connect the gene to the panel and also give me a plug on the outside to able me to plug up when I am doing events where power is supplied.
                        http://www.ebay.com/itm/G...mp;hash=item1e69464f53
                         
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                          Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 4:41 PM (permalink)
                          I ordered purple colored alum for my ceiling it should arrive Thursday, I can't wait to get that installed maybe it will give me a little motivation......so I don't feel like I live in home depot and at the metal supply store...get a little discouraged some time
                           
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                            Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 5:03 PM (permalink)
                            "Purple colored alum for my ceiling " Whats next a disco ball? LOL
                            It's a kitchen not a fashion statement. LOL
                             
                            "I feel like I live in home depot and at the metal supply store"
                             
                            Boy I understand that when I built my trailer I would add the plumbing department at Farm Supply, Menard's, Lowe's, Cost to Cost Hardware, And the Zoning Department. LMAO. When I got done I was to tired and broke to open for a week. LOL
                             
                             
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                              Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 8:46 PM (permalink)
                              You don't need to spend money on a transfer switch.
                              My cord is hard wired to the panel, it has a male end in it, that plugs into the generator when I'm on without power. When I'm plugged into shore power, I have a 75' cord that just plugs into the hardwire cord and into shore power,.....understand?
                               
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                                Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 11:25 PM (permalink)
                                Dr of BBQ


                                "Purple colored alum for my ceiling " Whats next a disco ball? LOL
                                It's a kitchen not a fashion statement. LOL

                                "I feel like I live in home depot and at the metal supply store"

                                Boy I understand that when I built my trailer I would add the plumbing department at Farm Supply, Menard's, Lowe's, Cost to Cost Hardware, And the Zoning Department. LMAO. When I got done I was to tired and broke to open for a week. LOL

                                I'm a fashionista, LOL I do like to look good image is everything right.

                                 
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                                  Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 11:32 PM (permalink)
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                                  You don't need to spend money on a transfer switch.
                                  My cord is hard wired to the panel, it has a male end in it, that plugs into the generator when I'm on without power. When I'm plugged into shore power, I have a 75' cord that just plugs into the hardwire cord and into shore power,.....understand?

                                  I do understand what you mean ( I think ) so I need to buy a cord 55-8817 for 144.00 direct wire it to my panel and plug it into my generator correct?
                                   
                                  So what type of outlet do I need to have on the outside of the truck to plug my panel into shore power?

                                   
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                                    Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 11:32 PM (permalink)
                                    Is the HD going to like a purple colored anything in your rig? I know the PO of my truck painted the ceiling white, over maroon, because the HD made him.
                                     
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                                      Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 11:35 PM (permalink)
                                      Never Mind ChefB I understand what you mean and I see how it plugs to shore. 
                                       
                                      "I have a 75' cord that just plugs into the hardwire cord and into shore power"
                                       
                                      So I guess now I have to return the panel i got at HD and get a different one
                                       
                                      Thanks so much for the help !!!
                                       
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                                        Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 11:43 PM (permalink)
                                        Vic Cardenas


                                        Is the HD going to like a purple colored anything in your rig? I know the PO of my truck painted the ceiling white, over maroon, because the HD made him.

                                        Mr. HD Man here is concerned with the material that it is made of and not the color he doesn't have a problem with to much of anything it seems
                                         
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                                          Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 11:45 PM (permalink)
                                          That is odd that he made him paint it, I wonder what the reasoning was, the purple color is just more attractive to me than white powder coated alum.
                                           
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                                            Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 11:48 PM (permalink)
                                            PurpleCheetah


                                            chefbuba


                                            You don't need to spend money on a transfer switch.
                                            My cord is hard wired to the panel, it has a male end in it, that plugs into the generator when I'm on without power. When I'm plugged into shore power, I have a 75' cord that just plugs into the hardwire cord and into shore power,.....understand?

                                            I do understand what you mean ( I think ) so I need to buy a cord 55-8817 for 144.00 direct wire it to my panel and plug it into my generator correct?

                                            So what type of outlet do I need to have on the outside of the truck to plug my panel into shore power?



                                            Wher is your generator? Where is your panel? How many amps? 
                                             
                                            You don't have to buy pre made cords, you can make them up yourself too. Go to an electrical supply house or even home depot might carry the cable by the foot, buy the ends make your own cords in the lengths you need.
                                             
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                                              Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 11:52 PM (permalink)
                                              Check out the interior of the RED KOI food truck built by Foodcarts USA
                                              http://www.foodcartusa.com/customtrucks.html
                                               
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                                                Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Tue, 04/3/12 11:56 PM (permalink)
                                                Chef My generator is located ( will be ) under the driver seat in an unused wheel well ( put in by manu. in case buyer wanted driver door tight fit ) Panel will be behind passenger seat on kitchen side. generator generac 7500W, panel from home depot 100 amp...hopefully I didn't screw up when I didn't get the 125 amp panel
                                                 
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                                                  Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Wed, 04/4/12 12:04 AM (permalink)
                                                  How many amps will you be pulling?  How many seperate breakers?
                                                   
                                                   
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                                                    Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Wed, 04/4/12 12:07 AM (permalink)
                                                    Total breakers 10, amps 37 amps ( each outlet on own breaker)
                                                     
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                                                      Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Wed, 04/4/12 12:14 AM (permalink)
                                                      So you need to run cable from your panel to the generator compartment, that cable will have a male end to plug into the generator.
                                                      Now you need a 50A cable of "x" length with male and female ends to run to a shore outlet
                                                      Depending on what your power load is, you can use a  50A to 30A adapter and plug that into a 110 outlet.....but remember it will most likley be a 15 or 20A breaker
                                                       
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                                                        Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Wed, 04/4/12 12:16 AM (permalink)
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                                                        Total breakers 10, amps 37 amps ( each outlet on own breaker)


                                                        That's right about where I'm at with 10 breakers on a 100A panel.
                                                         
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                                                          Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Wed, 04/4/12 1:02 AM (permalink)
                                                          PurpleCheetah
                                                          Check out the interior of the RED KOI food truck built by Foodcarts USA
                                                          http://www.foodcartusa.com/customtrucks.html 

                                                           
                                                          Just about the coolest trucks I have ever seen. But our health department wants all ceilings in brick and motor, trucks and trailers white or stainless steel. But the color looks good on the shelves and railings.
                                                          Cool
                                                          jack
                                                           
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                                                            Re:Cincy Truck Build from Scratch I-yi-yi Wed, 04/4/12 1:04 AM (permalink)
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                                                            Total breakers 10, amps 37 amps ( each outlet on own breaker)

                                                             
                                                            "( each outlet on own breaker)" way to go you'll be so glad you did that down the road. Now if you put in enough outlets even for future use you did a great job.
                                                            jack
                                                             
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