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Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Fri, 08/7/09 9:37 AM (permalink)

No More Perks: Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users

By ERICA ALINI

A sign at Naidre's, a small neighborhood coffee shop in Brooklyn, N.Y., begins warmly: "Dear customers, we are absolutely thrilled that you like us so much that you want to spend the day..."

But, it continues, "...people gotta eat, and to eat they gotta sit." At Naidre's in Park Slope and its second location in nearby Carroll Gardens, Wi-Fi is free. But since the spring of 2008, no laptops have been allowed between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. weekdays and 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. weekends, unless the customer is eating and typing at the same time.

Amid the economic downturn, there are fewer places in New York to plug in computers. As idle workers fill coffee-shop tables -- nursing a single cup, if that, and surfing the Web for hours -- and as shop owners struggle to stay in business, a decade-old love affair between coffee shops and laptop-wielding customers is fading. In some places, customers just get cold looks, but in a growing number of small coffee shops, firm restrictions on laptop use have been imposed and electric outlets have been locked. The laptop backlash may predate the recession, but the recession clearly has accelerated it.


The Wall Street Journal

Laptop policy at Naidre' cafe in Park Slope, Brooklyn.

"You don't want to discourage it, it's a wonderful tradition," says Naidre's owner Janice Pullicino, 53 years old. A former partner in a computer-graphics business, Ms. Pullicino insists she loves technology and hates to limit its use. But when she realized that people with laptops were taking up seats and driving away the more lucrative lunch crowd, she put up the sign. Last fall, she covered up some of the outlets, describing that as a "cost-cutting measure" to save electricity.

So far, this appears to be largely a New York phenomenon, though San Francisco's Coffee Bar does now put out signs when the shop is crowded asking laptop users to share tables and make space for other customers.

Some coffee shops say they still welcome laptop users, if only because they make the stores look busy. For some, the growing number of laptop-carrying customers with time on their hands is reason to expand. "I had to add more outlets and higher speed" in early June, says Sebastian Simsch, 40, the co-owner of Seattle Coffee Works. Starbucks Corp. coffee houses, which in some cases charge for Wi-Fi, and bookstore chain Borders Group Inc., which always charges for Wi-Fi, don't have any plans to change their treatment of laptop customers. Neither does bookstore giant Barnes & Noble Inc., where the Wi-Fi is complimentary.

But in New York, the trend is accelerating among independents. At Cocoa Bar locations in Brooklyn and on the Manhattan's Lower East Side, a five-month-old rule forbids laptops after 8 on Friday and Saturday nights. At Espresso 77 in Jackson Heights, Queens, owners covered three of five electric outlets six months ago after its loosely enforced laptop-use restrictions failed to encourage turnover. At two of three Café Grumpy locations -- one in Brooklyn and the other in Manhattan's Chelsea neighborhood -- laptops are never welcome.

Laptop backlash poses particular difficulties for people without offices, says Leah Meyerhoff, 29, a film director and free-lancer. She long has used coffee shops to interview cast and crew and to work on pre-production. Now, she says, "it's a constant search for places with the Internet where I can sit and focus without being frowned upon."

"Good luck staying open when you're turning half your clientele out on a Friday night," Hannah Moots, 23, wrote about Cocoa Bar on Yelp, a Web site where customers rate retailers. When Ms. Moots, who aspires to be an archaeologist, met her boyfriend at the coffee shop after 8 p.m. on a Friday to work on graduate-school applications, she was ushered out, she says, even though the place was almost empty.

"We had to power down or leave instantly," Ms. Moots wrote in her blog. She left and went to a different cafe, where she later expressed her dismay on the Web. Masoud Soltani, a Cocoa Bar owner, confirms that he sent her a Yelp message: "I remember you very well...I would not think you would write such bad stuff about us." Mr. Soltani says she is no longer welcome in his store.

Customers' frugality has reached extremes in the recession, the 40-year-old Mr. Soltani says. Some patrons show up with a tea bag for a free hot-water refill or quietly unwrap homemade sandwiches, he says. The Soltani brothers tried to adapt by adding sandwiches to their assortment of pastries and chocolates two months ago. And they want to be able to change the atmosphere after dark. "We lower the light, and it's chocolate, wine and couples holding hands," says Masoud's brother Bahman. "What's the guy with the laptop doing here?"

Some customers are sympathetic. Norm Elrod was "devastated," he wrote on his blog -- called "Jobless and Less" -- when he spotted "little plastic covers on the electrical outlets, secured with little padlocks" at Espresso 77. "But I knew why they had done it," the 37-year-old unemployed marketing manager says.

"I used to be one of the abusers," Mr. Elrod confesses on his blog, "sipping a two-dollar cup of coffee in a to-go cup for hours." But, he says in an interview, now he practices what he considers better coffee-shop etiquette, lingering over his laptop during off-hours and spending more money.

At Café Grumpy in Chelsea, Ty-Lör Boring, a 32-year-old chef, says he often uses his laptop at coffee shops, but loves it when there are none around because, then, people talk to one another.

"You can isolate yourself behind a laptop," he says, "but look at this place: Almost everyone is having a conversation."

Write to Erica Alini at Erica.Alini@wsj.com

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    mar52

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    Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Fri, 08/7/09 10:13 AM (permalink)
    This is not just affecting the coffee shops.

    The businesses around these places also suffer.

    Around Los Angeles it's impossible to get a parking space in shopping centers that have Starbucks as one of their stores.

    Everyone of those sippers with the lap computers also have cars parked for hours in the parking lot.

    You want to park for a couple minutes to run in to the cleaners, yogurt shop or get your hair cut?  Forget it!  Easier to have someone drop you off and pick you up.

    Easier finding someone to do that driving than to actually find a parking space.

    There are a lot of hard feelings flying in Los Angeles shoppng centers.
     
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      hippie jim

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      Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Fri, 08/7/09 10:55 AM (permalink)
      Sad truth about people; offer anything for free and they will abuse the favor, and then get their feelings hurt when its not there anymore.
       
      #3
        ayersian

        Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Fri, 08/7/09 11:08 AM (permalink)
        Traveling this summer on our roadtrip, Amy & I have really depended on this type of establishment for Wifi for posting trip reports.  Aside from this trip, I never have reason to take my laptop anywhere outside my home.  But we use these places on the road late at night when the stores are virtually empty, and of course we always buy something.  We haven't had any owners tell us to shut down our laptops...yet!    Chris

         
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          David_NYC

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          Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Fri, 08/7/09 12:09 PM (permalink)
          Déjà vu. The Horn and Hardart Automats in NYC used to have this problem. Retired people would come in, buy a cup of coffee, and sit at a table for several hours sipping it. H&H converted many of those places into Burger Kings. The independent establishments profiled in the WSJ piece are in urban areas and probably small in square footage. Many may offer WiFi because larger chain competitors offer it.

          A lot of money was poured into promoting the Internet. There was also the propaganda that the Internet was not owned by anyone and that it was FREE. Businesses need to re-evaluate their provision of free WiFi service.
           
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            The Travelin Man

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            Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Fri, 08/7/09 3:47 PM (permalink)
            This story really doesn't surprise me.  New York is also among the worst places for just finding a bathroom in a food establishment.  There is just too much traffic, in general, to encourage lingering.

            However, I have been known to take advantage of free Internet access when traveling.  Sometimes my work day is 8 am through 2 pm and then again from 6 pm until 9 pm.  Going back to the hotel may be inconvenient, so a stop with easy Internet access is welcome.  I always purchase something.  Coffeehouses, though, have become overwhelmed with "sponges" - so, I do seek out other alternatives.  Lately, I have noticed that most full-service Marriott-branded hotels offer free Wi-Fi in the lobby.  You don't need a password or anything, and I would suggest that you look like you belong there (less about appearance than trying to attract attention to yourself).  There are ample power outlets.  I feel less guilty about not purchasing anything inasmuch as I do spend considerably with the Marriott chain - but, will often still purchase something from the gift shop or the lobby bar if I am staying awhile. 
             
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              PopsDogHouse

              Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Fri, 08/7/09 10:01 PM (permalink)
              ayersian


              Traveling this summer on our roadtrip, Amy & I have really depended on this type of establishment for Wifi for posting trip reports.  Aside from this trip, I never have reason to take my laptop anywhere outside my home.  But we use these places on the road late at night when the stores are virtually empty, and of course we always buy something.  We haven't had any owners tell us to shut down our laptops...yet!    Chris

              Just curious NYPizzaNut.  Why would this post be given a 1 star rating?
               
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                Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Fri, 08/7/09 11:28 PM (permalink)
                That's Urban vs Rural
                We I opened, Free 24/7 Wi-fi was the first thing I added. It can broadcast 1 block.
                It only costs $30 a month and I use it for my online orders anyway. The outdoor antenna cost about $200.
                Someone asked why I would do this. I said, "We may live in a 3rd world area, but we don't have to act like one.:
                I have my own Vinyl Sign Cutter, so I made metal directional highway signs a few months ago.
                It made a huge impact, no abusers so far.

                Give me rural any day....or better yet rural AND on the beach
                Jerry
                It broke my heart 2 years ago when a couple were here for Arkansas' 2nd largest festival(100k in 3 days). They were website designers and one of their sites crashed and they spent 2 whole days at a table in the back that I set up just for them as they worked on fixing the problem back in San Francisco. During the festival, I looked outside and there were over 20 laptops going at the same time. (I have the internet serviced maxed out during the festival.) These customers come and buy time & time again, year after year.

                 
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                  Bella Caffe

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                  Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Sun, 08/9/09 8:53 AM (permalink)
                  All the shops have to do is put limits on the use. The gateway they use can easily put a 30 minute limit on IP's that simply cut off the internet once this time has hit. Then put signs up that say that. No one can complain & it doesnt affect those of us that dont abuse the service.

                  Hey Roadkillgrill, what's Arkansas 2 largest festivals? King Bisquit (or Helena Blues Fest I guess they call it now) and War Eagle?
                   
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                    Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Sun, 08/9/09 2:32 PM (permalink)
                    PopsDogHouse


                    ayersian


                    Traveling this summer on our roadtrip, Amy & I have really depended on this type of establishment for Wifi for posting trip reports.  Aside from this trip, I never have reason to take my laptop anywhere outside my home.  But we use these places on the road late at night when the stores are virtually empty, and of course we always buy something.  We haven't had any owners tell us to shut down our laptops...yet!    Chris

                    Just curious NYPizzaNut.  Why would this post be given a 1 star rating?


                    I am curious why you would call out a singular poster about this anonymous (to anyone but moderators) rating system, when no one else has ever been asked to explain or been identified of their ratings? 
                     
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                      PopsDogHouse

                      Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Sun, 08/9/09 4:01 PM (permalink)
                      The Travelin Man


                      PopsDogHouse


                      ayersian


                      Traveling this summer on our roadtrip, Amy & I have really depended on this type of establishment for Wifi for posting trip reports.  Aside from this trip, I never have reason to take my laptop anywhere outside my home.  But we use these places on the road late at night when the stores are virtually empty, and of course we always buy something.  We haven't had any owners tell us to shut down our laptops...yet!    Chris

                      Just curious NYPizzaNut.  Why would this post be given a 1 star rating?


                      I am curious why you would call out a singular poster about this anonymous (to anyone but moderators) rating system, when no one else has ever been asked to explain or been identified of their ratings? 

                       
                      Because we're not going to play "let's abuse the rating system game" again.  We had it stopped here.  I'd really like to know how this post is ridiculous, off topic, out of line, or inappropriate in any way.  My guess is that it's an attempt to hide behind an unfortunate feature of this otherwise great software package to punish a particular poster.  Shouldn't be a problem unless you're one that wouldn't say to one's face what you say behind their back.

                       
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                        Dr of BBQ

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                        Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Sun, 08/9/09 11:02 PM (permalink)
                        To all,
                        I posted this article in hopes of creating a new wider interest in Roadfood’s Professional Forum. I do searches every day to try and keep myself fresh and updated on what is new or newsworthy, in the industry I love.

                        When I find something that interest me or more important a story that I’m not sure of the actual meaning, or outcome,  I’ll post it In order to get a discussion going to get input from others.

                        Sometime I think the original author of the story is half informed or just has no experience in the food business. But on occasion, I’m thinking hey am I missing something here? It’s at those times I have to post the story and get the feedback from Pro’s like those that frequent this web site.


                        I try,to ignore those that want to start an argument over anything other than the facts of the story or those that feel the story is not relevant to Road Food. In my mind anything food related that teaches me about food is about RoadFood.

                        Steve, you have done a great job on this forum and I for one appreciate your great concern, continued interest and daily efforts for the Pro Roadfood Forum. Please keep up the good work.

                        Congratulations to you.

                        Thank you
                        Jack
                         
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                          roadkillgrill

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                          Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 2:08 AM (permalink)
                          Bella Caffe
                          1st- Riverfest LR
                          2nd- KBBF(now Arkansas Heritage, blah, blah, blah) (it will always be KBBF to everybody)-Helena
                          3rd- Bikes Blues & BBQ-Fayetteville Should be Bike Blues BBQ & BEER
                          4th-back to Helena- Wild Hog Music Motorcycle Rally

                          Don't know where War Eagle rates, I quit doing that show and BB&B.
                          City, County, etc. comes by with their hands out on top of the taxes.
                          Promoters don't tell you about them.
                           
                          #13
                            Twinwillow

                            Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 2:42 AM (permalink)
                            Gee, I certainly hope they ban cell phones next. The only thing worse than someone clicking away on their PC or Mac while I'm trying to enjoy my meal or coffee is some idiot in the table next to me doing the "loud talker" thing on their cell phone. At least, playing with their iPhone (silently) doesn't annoy me me.
                            I realize this comment isn't exactly what the author of this thread had in mind but, I just wanted to throw it in there, anyway.
                            Thanks for listening to my rant.
                             
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                              The Travelin Man

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                              Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 9:32 AM (permalink)
                              PopsDogHouse
                               
                              Because we're not going to play "let's abuse the rating system game" again.  We had it stopped here.  I'd really like to know how this post is ridiculous, off topic, out of line, or inappropriate in any way.  My guess is that it's an attempt to hide behind an unfortunate feature of this otherwise great software package to punish a particular poster.  Shouldn't be a problem unless you're one that wouldn't say to one's face what you say behind their back.


                              Understand that I don't disagree with a single thing that you are saying.  However, until now, no one has been publicly put to task for any of their anonymous ratings.  That doesn't seem to be site policy - just YOUR policy, apparently, only in cases where you feel that the rating is unjust.  When you say "I'd really like to know how this post...", couldn't you have sent a PM to the poster asking him, without calling out his rating publicly?

                              Personally, I think that if we are to keep this ratings system (and I don't otherwise have a problem with it), ALL ratings should be transparent.  Let everyone know who gave what threat what rating.  It would then be evident to all when there is personal retribution involved.  Unfortunately, that decision does not appear to have been made by those who run this site - which makes your actions somewhat rogue in nature.

                              Agree or disagree...that's your call.  I think what you did was wrong...but, I don't disagree with the sentiment behind it.
                               
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                                BillyB

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                                Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 9:49 AM (permalink)
                                I would have coffee cup with printing on the side of the cup saying, The internet is provided as a service to our customers, please be respectful and understand we need to turn over our tables to be profitable..............Or use a table tent to get this message across.....Its all about respect, greedy people will always take advantage of everything in their space.........Bill
                                 
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                                  Bruce Bilmes and Susan Boyle

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                                  Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 11:28 AM (permalink)
                                  The Travelin Man is correct.  Those of us who work at Roadfood - owners, editors, moderators, etc. - have access to all sorts of information that is not visible to users of this site.  There should be an inviolable firewall between those two areas.  Nothing should be publicly disclosed without the permission of the person in question.  Since people can rate posts without being identified, we should never disclose the rater without the permission of that rater. 
                                   
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                                    The Travelin Man

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                                    Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 11:32 AM (permalink)
                                    For the record, I think that the information SHOULD be made available - to everyone - and not hidden.  But, if it is not available - all the time - to everyone - then it should not be disclosed...at all (or, as Bruce says, with permission of the other party).
                                     
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                                      Michael Hoffman

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                                      Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 11:52 AM (permalink)
                                      Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                                      The Travelin Man is correct.  Those of us who work at Roadfood - owners, editors, moderators, etc. - have access to all sorts of information that is not visible to users of this site.  There should be an inviolable firewall between those two areas.  Nothing should be publicly disclosed without the permission of the person in question.  Since people can rate posts without being identified, we should never disclose the rater without the permission of that rater. 


                                      That being the case, the post that identified the rater should be removed.
                                       
                                      But, if there must be this silly rating system then it should be an open one that identies the person doing the rating.
                                       
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                                        Bruce Bilmes and Susan Boyle

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                                        Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 12:25 PM (permalink)
                                        I agree with Michael Hoffman about removing the post, but I'm not a moderator, and it's not my call (and I don't have the power).

                                        I'm neutral on the rating system.  I don't care if it's kept private, made public, or done away with altogether.  My only issue is that if we are implicitly telling people their ratings are confidential, then it's wrong to publicly identify them (and doubly wrong to publicly identify only those we disagree with - and I say that as a HUGE fan of the ayersians, who received the rating in question).
                                         
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                                          PopsDogHouse

                                          Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 6:11 PM (permalink)
                                          Guys/gals, feel free to opine until the cows come home.  I'll cut to the chase.  I try to make the Pro forums informative, productive, and enjoyable for the largest audience possible.  If I have to create a little controversy in order to do that, so be it.  Many times controversy is necessary to effect change.  I believe that the rating in question was clearly abuse and punitive, and addressing it this way will be beneficial to the forum in the long run.

                                          So, if the owner of the site would like to delete these posts, that is his prerogative.  But, I stand by my decision, and will not delete them.
                                           
                                          Edited to Include:  Jack, thank you for the nice words.  I do apologize for hijacking your thread.
                                          <message edited by PopsDogHouse on Mon, 08/10/09 6:19 PM>
                                           
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                                            NYPIzzaNut

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                                            Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 6:39 PM (permalink)
                                            Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                                            The Travelin Man is correct.  Those of us who work at Roadfood - owners, editors, moderators, etc. - have access to all sorts of information that is not visible to users of this site.  There should be an inviolable firewall between those two areas.  Nothing should be publicly disclosed without the permission of the person in question.  Since people can rate posts without being identified, we should never disclose the rater without the permission of that rater. 

                                            ..mods are volunteers and not paid here ... isn't that correct?

                                             
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                                              NYPIzzaNut

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                                              Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 6:43 PM (permalink)
                                              If the truth be known I was just trying to figure out the rating thingamajig and it went off and could not be changed.  I AM INNOCENT!
                                               
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                                                Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 6:59 PM (permalink)
                                                PopsDogHouse


                                                Guys/gals, feel free to opine until the cows come home.  I'll cut to the chase.  I try to make the Pro forums informative, productive, and enjoyable for the largest audience possible.  If I have to create a little controversy in order to do that, so be it.  Many times controversy is necessary to effect change.  I believe that the rating in question was clearly abuse and punitive, and addressing it this way will be beneficial to the forum in the long run.

                                                So, if the owner of the site would like to delete these posts, that is his prerogative.  But, I stand by my decision, and will not delete them.
                                                 
                                                Edited to Include:  Jack, thank you for the nice words.  I do apologize for hijacking your thread.

                                                One would expect nothing less of you. You have made it abundantly clear over time that the right thing is only that which you deem to be the right thing.
                                                 
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                                                  PopsDogHouse

                                                  Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 7:19 PM (permalink)
                                                  Michael Hoffman


                                                  PopsDogHouse


                                                  Guys/gals, feel free to opine until the cows come home.  I'll cut to the chase.  I try to make the Pro forums informative, productive, and enjoyable for the largest audience possible.  If I have to create a little controversy in order to do that, so be it.  Many times controversy is necessary to effect change.  I believe that the rating in question was clearly abuse and punitive, and addressing it this way will be beneficial to the forum in the long run.

                                                  So, if the owner of the site would like to delete these posts, that is his prerogative.  But, I stand by my decision, and will not delete them.
                                                   
                                                  Edited to Include:  Jack, thank you for the nice words.  I do apologize for hijacking your thread.

                                                  One would expect nothing less of you. You have made it abundantly clear over time that the right thing is only that which you deem to be the right thing.

                                                   
                                                  Hey lookey there.  You and I have something in common.  Who'da thunk it?

                                                   
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                                                    PopsDogHouse

                                                    Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 7:22 PM (permalink)
                                                    NYPIzzaNut


                                                    If the truth be known I was just trying to figure out the rating thingamajig and it went off and could not be changed.  I AM INNOCENT!

                                                     
                                                    Only you know the truth.  If this in fact is the truth, then I owe you a sincere apology.  I am sorry, and hope that you accept my apology.
                                                     
                                                    Steve

                                                     
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                                                      Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 7:22 PM (permalink)
                                                      No problem.
                                                       
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                                                        Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 7:31 PM (permalink)
                                                        NYPIzzaNut


                                                        If the truth be known I was just trying to figure out the rating thingamajig and it went off and could not be changed.  I AM INNOCENT!


                                                        Then I don't understand.  On the one hand, the guy who gave the bad rating says it was an accident (which could have been ascertained by simply asking him in private).  At the same time, PopsDogHouse says "the rating in question was clearly abuse and punitive."
                                                         
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                                                          PopsDogHouse

                                                          Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 7:55 PM (permalink)
                                                          Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                                                          NYPIzzaNut


                                                          If the truth be known I was just trying to figure out the rating thingamajig and it went off and could not be changed.  I AM INNOCENT!


                                                          Then I don't understand.  On the one hand, the guy who gave the bad rating says it was an accident (which could have been ascertained by simply asking him in private).  At the same time, PopsDogHouse says "the rating in question was clearly abuse and punitive."

                                                           
                                                          Not that I owe you an explanation, but let me clear it up for you.  If this rating was intentional, it would have been clearly abusive and punitive.  On what basis would you issue a 1 star rating to the post in question?  There isn't any.  Until now, I considered that giving a negative rating by mistake to be pretty difficult to do.  Apparently it's not that  difficult.  I take NYPN at his word.  I have issued a public apology.  I don't know what else you need to know Bruce.  I will tell you though, you should stay tuned.  This isn't the last time this contoversy will arise. I'm not going to have valueable members of this forum reluctant to post because of this rating system.  This garbage has been discussed over and over in the other forums.  I don't beat dead horses.  I put a bullet between their eyes.
                                                           
                                                          If you would like to moderate this forum Bruce, by all means send Stephen a note and ask for it.  I'll glady step aside.  But I think you're just a guy that likes to stir the pot.
                                                           
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                                                            Michael Hoffman

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                                                            Re:Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users Mon, 08/10/09 8:14 PM (permalink)
                                                            Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


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                                                            If the truth be known I was just trying to figure out the rating thingamajig and it went off and could not be changed.  I AM INNOCENT!


                                                            Then I don't understand.  On the one hand, the guy who gave the bad rating says it was an accident (which could have been ascertained by simply asking him in private).  At the same time, PopsDogHouse says "the rating in question was clearly abuse and punitive."

                                                            How about that?
                                                             
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