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tonemonster2

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Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 9:53 AM (permalink)
So last night I went to the Cookhouse in Darien that has been getting decent reiviews and claims it is Connecticuts best bbq. It was pretty good, I guess, and therein lies my question. How am I to judge ? I've never been to any of the classic rib joints, and most northeast bbq is derided as inferior. I make my own rub and pulled pork, and I think it is good, but it is from a recipe (Cook's) so I don't really have a benchmark. Any thoughts ? Short of hoping the next flight to Kansas City ? By the way excellent chili at the Cookhouse.
 
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    PaulBPool

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    RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 10:05 AM (permalink)
    Easy answer to your query: Did you enjoy it?
    Let's face it folks, for all the ranting and raving we do here, that IS the bottom line, isn't it?
     
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      Wholebelly

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      RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 10:37 AM (permalink)
      My benchmark is Southern Que BarBQ in Meriden. Its just a shack with a smoker in a residential driveway. Take out only (maybe a couple of tables in warmer months), open Thurs, Fri and Sat. The owner's from North Carolina and told me driveway BBQs are common there.

      He smokes his spare ribs for up to 12 hours with a dry rub, then drizzles a very mild, almost watery sauce over them. Smoked heaven! Nice and pink meat, fall-off-the-bone tender. Eight bucks for a half rack with so much meat that it's hard for me to finish.

      Some of the ribs have little cartilage-like bones on the ends, perpendicular to the main bone - could this be the St. Louis cut?
       
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        porkbeaks

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        RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 10:50 AM (permalink)
        quote:
        Originally posted by Wholebelly

        ........Some of the ribs have little cartilage-like bones on the ends, perpendicular to the main bone - could this be the St. Louis cut?


        Actually, the St. louis cut has the "ends" (tips or "riblets") removed.

        As far as a benchmark, I use my own bbq as a guide. If the restaurant serves something as good or better, it gets high marks. If it's almost as good, I'll return only when I have a hankerin' but feeling too lazy to cook my own. pb
         
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          tonemonster2

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          RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 10:57 AM (permalink)
          Wholebelly, is that Meriden, CT ? or where ?
           
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            Wholebelly

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            RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 11:05 AM (permalink)
            Sorry - it's Meriden, Connecticut, home of the steamed cheeseburger.
             
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              tonemonster2

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              RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 11:20 AM (permalink)
              Just some guy in a driveway, huh ? How cool is that. Talk about roadfood !
               
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                roossy90

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                RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 11:43 AM (permalink)
                http://www.nebs.org/

                Just a link to let you know what may be in your backyard.
                 
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                  BuddyRoadhouse

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                  RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 3:51 PM (permalink)
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by tonemonster2

                  So last night I went to the Cookhouse in Darien that has been getting decent reiviews and claims it is Connecticuts best bbq. It was pretty good, I guess, and therein lies my question. How am I to judge ?
                  Ardie Davis, otherwise known in 'Que circles as Remus Powers, Ph.B.(Philosopher of Barbecue, Greasehouse University),author of the Kansas City BBQ Pocket Guide, writes in the introduction to that book(with my abridgements):

                  "A big mistake in matters of taste is deference to so called "experts." When barbecue visits your palate, let there be no question as to who is the expert. You are it. Sometimes you'll discover excellent barbecue that has been berated by other experts. Sometimes you'll agree with them. Just be true to your own taste.

                  "Remember at all times and in all greashouses:
                  There is no universal standard of excellence. Barbecue experts use three que-linary guidelines in evaluating barbecue and at least seven for discovering the most likely places to find good barbecue.

                  I.Judging the Barbecue on Your Plate
                  A.Appearance

                  1.Smoke ring: a red smoke ring offers visible proof that the meat has been smoked. The smoke ring will show on the outside edge of ribs, beef brisket and pork shoulder. The ring will appear next to the bone in poultry.
                  Due to differences in holding methods and the passage of time from the pit to the plate, some commercial barbecue doesn't show a smoke ring. If you can't see the evidence of smoke, you should still be able to taste it. If you don't see smoke rings and/or don't taste smoke, you aren't eating barbecue.

                  2.Presentation: What you see on the plate sends a message to your palate. When food looks and smells good, we think it will taste good. Woe to the pitmaster who disappoints us.

                  B.Tenderness
                  Tender barbecue is easy to chew and swallow. It needn't be so tender that it falls off the bone. My personal preference is crisp on the outside and tender on the inside.

                  C. Taste
                  Taste is the single most important standard for judging barbecue. It also enjoys the least consensus. This is where you must listen to your own taste buds.
                  In general, good barbecue tastes smoky, not bitter or bland. It tastes rich, not anemic. It is packed with a symphony of flavors that can only be produced with a pit, fire, smoke, secret seasonings and the care and attention of a skilled pit master.
                  Sauce should be desirable, not necessary. And it should be desired only if it truly compliments the flavor of the meat instead of overpowering it. If the meat can't stand alone on good flavor, leave it alone.

                  II. Finding a Good Greasehouse
                  (This is a combination of Ardie's own methods and those taught to him by Vince Staten and Greg Johnson, authors of Real Barbecue):
                  A. Name
                  A good greasehouse will bear the name of its owner. No self respecting Bubba, Bob, or Johnny would put his own name and reputation on a place that sells bad barbecue.

                  B.Woodpile
                  If you don't see a woodpile outside, think twice about going inside. If the woodpile is neatly stacked, like it's just for show, think twice again.

                  Buddy's Smoke Corollary:
                  "If you have parked your car within 50 yards of the greasehouse in question, and, upon exiting said car, you do not smell smoke, think twice about walking in the front door. If after thinking twice, you decide to proceed anyway, and upon entering the establishment still do not smell smoke, stop thinking, turn around, walk back to your car, and drive away without further consideration."
                  In my mind, the Smoke Corollary is perhaps even more important, and a better indicator than the woodpile as to whether quality 'Que lies within. There are many excellent greashouses located within highly populated, highly regulated, urban confines. These places would, by law, not be allowed to leave their woodpiles in plain view, neatly stacked or otherwise. Therefore, under certain circumstances, the smoke test can be a more reliable guide.
                  It could also be argued that those same urban restrictions might apply to the ventilation of smoke, making it difficult to detect within 50 yards. Thus the need to actually walk into the greasehouse you're considering.

                  C. Vehicles
                  A combo of pickup trucks,vans, Volvos, BMWs, Porsches, Chevrolets, Fords, Colts, Cadillacs, Continentals, and Toyotas is a good sign.

                  D. Windows
                  Don't trust clean windows. Pit time, not spit shine, is what's important in a greasehouse. The greasehouse is the only place where you want to see through a glass darkly.

                  E. Signs
                  Greasehouse signs should advertise barbecue-not hot dogs, hamburgers or tacos. If the pitmaster isn't making a living on the quality of the barbecue, it doesn't speak well for the place. A "Chili" sign, though, is O.K.; it's a hospitable concession to visiting Texans and Seattelites.

                  F. Flies
                  If you don't see any flies near the premises, the flies may know something that you should know.

                  G. Friendly Service
                  In the best greasehouses you'll feel welcome the moment you step inside. If a place has a bad attitude but good barbecue, get carryout."

                  Well, that may be more than you wanted to know, but that should just about cover it. Not just in Connecticut, but anywhere else your 'Que ramblings may take you.

                  Ardie has taken me to some mighty fine joints in KC. He's even the guy who turned me on to one of my favorite non-'que places; Three Brothers, in Milwaukee. Ardie knows his stuff, and Vince Staten and Greg Johnson's Real Barbecue is a classic in the genre. If you can't trust the methodology of these guys in your quest for good "Que, who are you gonna listen to?

                  As they say in fine rib eating establishments everywhere: Bone Apetit!

                  Buddy
                   
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                    cbolado

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                    RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 4:13 PM (permalink)
                    Wholebelly, do you have any more information (address, etc.) about Southern Que BBQ? I head up to CT every so often, and I'd be interested in checking it out.
                     
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                      mayor al

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                      RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 4:29 PM (permalink)
                      While I agree with most of Buddy's recommendations, I have to leave room in the evaluation process for the individual tastes and preferences of the consumer. These don't have to be absolutes...just guideline for choices, if choices are to be made.
                      I like a little 'chew' to the ribs that I order..falling off the bone tender isn't my favorite. I don't send them back, mind you...just that if I have the option, give me a rack of bones that have some chew to them and cling to the bone a bit.

                      Pork. Please don't hash it up or run it thru a grinder. Pulled Pork or Pork BBQ is one and the same to me. The meat should be in pieces large enough to pick up with the fingers and take a bite. If it looks like sawdust or burgermeat, the flavor of the meat will be lost. AND Don't sauce it, other than a bit towards the end of the cooking cycle. Give me the option of 'naked meat' or 'dip and eat'. I know this is a favorite of some of you, but I really don't care for hashed up meat mixed with an equal(or close) amount of sauce, Scooped onto a Burger Bun, then smothered in cole slaw. That is one I will not join you in 'enjoying'.

                      Chicken is pretty far down the pecking order (pun intended) for me. If I am eating BBQ'd...not grilled.. chicken then leave it on the bones. Let me pick it apart and sauce it if I want to.

                      Appearance of the place... While I enjoy the homie atmosphere of the 'Bubba' operation, I value cleanliness also. It is possible to have both. I cite the example of our famous Mr Hays in Lexington Tennessee. His place is about as laid back and 'good ole boy' as a place can get, but it is CLEAN inside and out. Never a question about health codes there....but not artificially sanitized in appearance either.

                      Size. While the Hays Smokehouse is of modest size, it's products are fantastic. BUT So are those of the Moonlite BBQ, where on the weekend we could share space with all of Rhode Island at mealtime and have room for Bushie and I sitting on the side. What I am trying to say is that quality comes in many sizes and shapes.

                      I find that many times my preferences don't agree with the "written descriptions in some BBQ Bible". That doesn't make either ME or the BBQ Guro wrong. Just recognize that individuality still reigns in the judgement of the end product.

                      As far as location or regionalism goes. That is the endless argument on Roadfood.com. Much like the Evolution Discussion in other realms the source of a particular type of food be it BBQ, Seafood, Deli...or many others, has its supporting staff and it's nay-sayers. I have had some good seafood here in the Louisville area. I enjoy BBQ almost everywhere we go. It is possible to find good Mexican food in every city in the country these days. With the expansion of the restaurant realm Americans seem to be able to try many more and different types of food with much less travel than was formerly possible. Martha Stewart is right..."It is a good thing".
                       
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                        n4mtees

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                        RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/17/06 10:53 PM (permalink)
                        google says:
                        Southern Que Bar-BQ 70 Pomeroy Ave., Meriden , CT 06450 Tel: (203) 238-1542.
                         
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                          Wholebelly

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                          RE: Connecticut Barbeque Question ? Fri, 03/24/06 2:53 PM (permalink)
                          "Buddy's Smoke Corollary"

                          I drove by Southern Que at lunch today and rolled down my windows to smell that mouth-watering hickory and meat smoke. If it weren't Lent, that would be dinner tonight.

                          I think, because it's "forbidden fruit," that it makes me crave it even more.
                           
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