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Dr of BBQ

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Danger Danger Danger Wed, 07/2/08 8:49 AM (permalink)
Editor’s Note: MP3 audio and ANR script available at: www.dana-farber.org/grillingscriptandsound
Quicktime video available for viewing at: www.dana-farber.org/grillingvideo

Get the grill going!
But beware of what may be sizzling over the flames

Dana-Farber offers tips to reduce your cancer risk while grilling

Boston – Summer is just around the corner and that means plenty of picnics, parties and barbeques. While the wonderful aroma of your favorite foods on the grill can make your mouth water, there are some caveats you should know before you dig in. All that grilling may be cooking up cancer-causing chemicals, warn experts at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. Those chemicals have been linked to breast, stomach, prostate, and colon cancer, according to the American Institute for Cancer Research.

But Stephanie Meyers, RD, LDN, CNSD, a Dana-Farber nutritionist, says that doesn’t mean you have to give up summer time treats like grilled burgers, steaks, and ribs. “It’s really about being careful and making wise choices.”

There are two risk factors to keep in mind. First, research has shown that high-heat grilling can convert proteins in red meat, pork, poultry, and fish into heterocyclic amines (HCAs). These chemicals have been linked to a number of cancers.

Another cancer-causing agent, called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), is found in the smoke. PAHs form when fat and juices from meat products drip on the heat source. As the smoke rises it can stick to the surface of the meat.

“The main cancer causing compound that occurs in grilling comes from the smoke,” says Meyers. “So you want to reduce the exposure to that smoke.”

What can you do to lower your risk? Here are some tips to make sure your summer grilling is safe.
Prep the Meat

Choose lean cuts of meat, instead of high-fat varieties such as ribs and sausage.

Trim all excess fat and remove skin.

When using marinades – thinner is better. Thicker marinades have a tendency to “char,” possibly increasing exposure to carcinogenic compounds.

Look for marinades that contain vinegar and/or lemon. They actually create a protective barrier around the meat.
Limit Time – Limit Exposure
Always thaw meat first. This also reduces the cooking time.

Partially cook meat and fish in a microwave for 60 to 90 seconds on high before grilling and then discard the juices. This will lower cooking time and reduce risk of cause smoke flare-ups.

Grilling Techniques

Flip burgers often: Once every minute.

Place food at least six inches from heat source.

Create a barrier to prevent juices from spilling and producing harmful smoke. Try lining the grill with aluminum foil and poking holes, and cooking on cedar planks.

Choose Wisely

Lean meats create less dripping and less smoke.

Choose smaller cuts of meat, like kabobs, as they take less time to cook.

Try grilling your favorite vegetables. They do not contain the protein that forms harmful HCAs.

“People need to put this into perspective,” explains Meyers. If you’re grilling and following the proper safety tips, the risk of getting cancer from grilling food is very low.” Moreover, she stresses the importance of maintaining a healthy weight and eating a balanced diet, rich in fruits and vegetables. Meyers adds, “Being overweight or obese, which are at epidemic levels in the U.S., are far greater risk factors for developing cancer than the consumption of grilled foods.”
Dana-Farber Cancer Institute (www.dana-farber.org) is a principal teaching affiliate of the Harvard Medical School and is among the leading cancer research and care centers in the United States. It is a founding member of the Dana-Farber/Harvard Cancer Center (DF/HCC), designated a comprehensive cancer center by the National Cancer Institute.
 
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    Jimeats

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    RE: Danger Danger Danger Wed, 07/2/08 9:34 AM (permalink)
    Well I guess we should all rush out and buy one of those O---n Cookers.
    Less cooking time, less exposure to the smoke.
    I'll stay with my BGE though. Chow Jim
     
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      lleechef

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      RE: Danger Danger Danger Wed, 07/2/08 11:46 AM (permalink)
      Everybody turn your grills off. Let's all go eat tofu. Dr of BBQ will be the chairman of the tofu cook-off. DANGER! Latest reports are that tofu might cause cancer.

      OK, let's try yogurt.
       
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        RE: Danger Danger Danger Wed, 07/2/08 11:51 AM (permalink)
        quote:
        Originally posted by lleechef

        Everybody turn your grills off. Let's all go eat tofu. Dr of BBQ will be the chairman of the tofu cook-off. DANGER! Latest reports are that tofu might cause cancer.

        OK, let's try yogurt.

        Love yogurt but I'll starve before I eat tofu. I think.
         
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          divefl

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          RE: Danger Danger Danger Wed, 07/2/08 11:55 AM (permalink)
          There was an article in msn this week that said pairing brussel sprouts with grilled steak fought the cancer causing agents from charring. We're saved. Put a butter sauce on them.
           
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            RE: Danger Danger Danger Wed, 07/2/08 1:29 PM (permalink)
            quote:
            Originally posted by Jimeats

            Well I guess we should all rush out and buy one of those O---n Cookers.
            Less cooking time, less exposure to the smoke.
            I'll stay with my BGE though. Chow Jim


            You mean the ORION COOKER a GREAT PRODUCT!
            I bought one because of this site and have given 4 as gifts to this point.

            ...Russ
             
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              RichardFriese

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              RE: Danger Danger Danger Wed, 07/2/08 4:38 PM (permalink)
              I use to subscribe to Science News. Watching the research on cancer, I think about everything they have tested has become suspect to causing cancer. RJF
               
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                RE: Danger Danger Danger Wed, 07/2/08 4:53 PM (permalink)
                That's because everything imaginable has become suspect to causing cancer.
                 
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                  Delta

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                  RE: Danger Danger Danger Wed, 07/2/08 11:32 PM (permalink)
                  There is no way DrofBBQ is posting this as a public health advisory..you guys have to be kidding right? Sounds like crap to me!!!
                   
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                    Dr of BBQ

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                    RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 9:17 AM (permalink)
                    quote:
                    Originally posted by Delta
                    There is no way DrofBBQ is posting this as a public health advisory..you guys have to be kidding right? Sounds like crap to me!!!


                    Delta your right on target,I thought that article would cause everyone
                    to have a good laugh. These people (that write this garbage) make me crazy. I often wonder how it is that our parents and grandparents lived beyond their 30th birthdays, what with their eating, drinking, and smoking habits.

                    By the way I eat what I want, when I want, and I also smoke. But the additional year or two extra I might live if I changed all my bad habits, may see me end up in an old folks home being spoon fed oatmeal by some punk $7.95 an hour kid. That's not for me. I want to go out with a bang, in a rush and a fatal heart attack while eating a great steak, smoking a really good cigar, drinking a great wine, or having great sex. LMAO

                    Jack
                     
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                      RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 9:47 AM (permalink)
                      When I saw the header and the person who posted it, I immediately realized that the danger wasn't from eating the food, but instead of reading the crap that was in the article.

                      Studies like that aren't done to help the public, they are done to line the pockets of those conducting the study. The people who get grants to do studies have nothing to fear. They can fashion their methodologies to help them attain the results they seek. If people who do these studies and publicize their results were held financially liable for the damages done to those who may be negatively impacted if the study was faulty, there would be a lot less people getting grants to do the studies. People who do some of these studies are not held to account, except maybe by some of their peers. The bottom line is money. If someone will give money for a study to prove or disprove anything, there will be a line at the door with people with their palms up.
                       
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                        Pigiron

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                        RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 10:32 AM (permalink)
                        quote:
                        Originally posted by jman

                        When I saw the header and the person who posted it, I immediately realized that the danger wasn't from eating the food, but instead of reading the crap that was in the article.

                        Studies like that aren't done to help the public, they are done to line the pockets of those conducting the study. The people who get grants to do studies have nothing to fear. They can fashion their methodologies to help them attain the results they seek. If people who do these studies and publicize their results were held financially liable for the damages done to those who may be negatively impacted if the study was faulty, there would be a lot less people getting grants to do the studies. People who do some of these studies are not held to account, except maybe by some of their peers. The bottom line is money. If someone will give money for a study to prove or disprove anything, there will be a line at the door with people with their palms up.



                        Sorry, but this is the biggest pile of garbage I've ever seen here. Tell me, what's your evidence that the researchers at the Dana-Farber Cancer institute are doing these studies to "line their pockets"? What exactly is in it for them? That's a pretty strong accusation against people who spend their lives trying to cure disease.

                        I shouldn't even be dignifying this thread with a response, but I will say that there are people in this world that think it's a pretty good idea to work towards ridding the world of disease and illness. There are also people in this world who put self-pleasure and excess before their own health. I think that's fine too. The world is a big enough place for both people to exist.

                        I am a cancer survivor. I know first-hand what that disease can do to the human body. I, for one, appreciate the work that researchers at places like Dana-Farber and The American Cancer Institue, and in particular, The Center For Science in the Public Interest are doing to try and help people prevent cancer.

                        There ARE ways you can help to prevent disease in your own body. These research scientists are working in the public interest to help to educate. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEM. They're not taking away your precious carcinogens. They are scientists, not government agencies. For the life of me, I cannot understand the VENOM that is spewed towards anyone who dares to tell you that something you're doing might be bad for you.

                        If you think the article is "CRAP", that's absolutely fine. But don't accuse these research institutes "lining their pockets", because that is an outrageous lie. If you don't believe that high-heat grilling is linked to certain cancers, then keep on not believing it, but a lot of people who wish to be healthy appreciate the information.
                         
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                          Dr of BBQ

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                          RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 3:34 PM (permalink)
                          I think it's crap and I can't imagine how many hundreds no make that thousands of charred what ever's I'd have to eat in order to affect my body. And yes we have all read studies that were bought and payed for to prove some companies point of view.
                          So its no wonder we have that attitude about studies, and especially one as inane as this one.
                          Jack
                           
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                            uncledaveyo

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                            RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 3:54 PM (permalink)
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by Dr of BBQ

                            I think it's crap and I can't imagine how many hundreds no make that thousands of charred what ever's I'd have to eat in order to affect my body. And yes we have all read studies that were bought and payed for to prove some companies point of view.
                            So its no wonder we have that attitude about studies, and especially one as inane as this one.
                            Jack


                            I love all the facts you've presented to support your argument that the study is "crap."
                             
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                              RichardFriese

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                              RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 4:42 PM (permalink)
                              I spent many many years of my life in college. One professor that was my mentor, talked about her years working on grants. They didn't do a thing for the entire term of the grant, then spent 3 weeks in all nighters to get in a report. I know not all research is done this way, though I personally know researchers that use the money at their leisure, then have to generate something for the money and the reputation of the college. Research is a BIG money maker for colleges. The professors' are pressured to write for grants, then when a grant comes through, the college suddenly charges everything against the grant. Thats: the professors office, the secretary outside the office, the professors lab and hourly charges on all equipment in the office and lab. We always view colleges and professors/researchers as unbiased and unaffected by money. I spent money for credit hours for my thesis and spent a lot of hours as a lackey for these research projects. Professors are pressured to generate money for the college.

                              One research project was paid for the the Tobbaco Institute, which wanted a study on how nicotine effected people that smoked. Unbiased study right? Done by a college professor/ researcher that received $$$$ for this study and generated a report for each year this study went on, think it came out that nicotine had a bad effect on people that smoked? This guys lab, was decked out with new toys every year. I went into college with personal admiration of professors and had a 180 degree turn in my view from working with these studies. Researchers are people and receive $$$ from a source, and depending on what the source wants, they better dam well generate it the way they want or they won't be getting any more $$$. Yes there is some research that is unbiased, from personal and professional experience I learned to doubt all research. In the end its ironic, the research courses I studies teach, not to believe any research journals and thoughly check the information. RJF
                               
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                                Dr of BBQ

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                                RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 5:22 PM (permalink)
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by uncledaveyo

                                quote:
                                Originally posted by Dr of BBQ

                                I think it's crap and I can't imagine how many hundreds no make that thousands of charred what ever's I'd have to eat in order to affect my body. Jack


                                I love all the facts you've presented to support your argument that the study is "crap."




                                I read it and common sense is all anyone with an unbiased and open mind would need on this report.
                                Jack
                                 
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                                  Delta

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                                  RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 5:30 PM (permalink)
                                  Its funny, because that is the whole idea of a grill, THE SMOKE! Otherwise, why have a grill? Might as well cook your Porterhouse on a George Foreman, yummmmmm, with a side of steamed chicken!
                                   
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                                    RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 5:38 PM (permalink)
                                    quote:
                                    Originally posted by Pigiron

                                    b]The Center For Science in the Public Interest are doing to try and help people prevent cancer.


                                    Sorry, but I heavily disagree. Having worked for public health and being heavily involved in epidemiology and research, The Center for Science in the Public Interest is nothin but a self-serving nannies who are desperately trying to influence policy to impose THEIR particular view of good and bad on the public. Here's one link:
                                    http://www.cspiscam.com/

                                     
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                                      Pigiron

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                                      RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 10:40 PM (permalink)
                                      quote:
                                      Originally posted by davebugg
                                      Sorry, but I heavily disagree. Having worked for public health and being heavily involved in epidemiology and research, The Center for Science in the Public Interest is nothin but a self-serving nannies who are desperately trying to influence policy to impose THEIR particular view of good and bad on the public. Here's one link:
                                      http://www.cspiscam.com/





                                      Davebugg, I respect your right to your own opinion, but if your source of information is "CSPIscam", then you really don't have a leg to stand on. That website is operated and maintained by something called "Center For Consumer Freedom", which goes to great lengths to appear as if it's a "consumer" organization, when in fact it's a front group for the alcohol, tobacco and restaurant industry. Your "source" is funded by Exxon, Coca-Cola and Phillip Morris.

                                      In contrast, the Center for Science in the Public Interest was founded by scientists, doesn't take one cent from industry, has received a 4 star rating from CharityNavigator.com, and 90 to 95% of their revenue comes from subscription to their "Nutrition Action" newsletter (which has zero advertising). The rest comes from private foundation grants. They accept no government grants and not one cent in corporate funding.

                                      So, which group do you think has been bought and payed for to increase the bottom line of big industry?

                                      Call them a "nanny group", that's absolutely fine, and I don't really disagree with that characterization. But the Center for Science in the Public Interest TRULY operates in the public interest.

                                      What they are currently working towards (from their Web site):

                                      Get junk foods out of schools nationwide;
                                      Rid the food supply of partially hydrogenated oil, the source of artificial trans fat that promotes heart disease;
                                      Reduce sodium in processed and restaurant foods;.
                                      Improve food safety laws and reduce the incidence of foodborne illness;
                                      Advocate for more healthy, plant-based, environmentally-friendly diets;
                                      Ensure accurate and honest labeling on food packages;
                                      Require basic nutrition labeling on chain-restaurants’ menus and menu boards;
                                      Provide responsible information about the benefits and risks of agricultural biotechnology;
                                      Obtain greater federal funding for alcohol-abuse prevention policies; and
                                      Expose industry influence over the scientific process and in government policy-making.


                                      Seriously, calling the CSPI "self-serving" is absolutely ridiculous.
                                       
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                                        Poverty Pete

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                                        RE: Danger Danger Danger Thu, 07/3/08 11:09 PM (permalink)
                                        I may not choose wisely, but I choose ribs. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!
                                         
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                                          biker jim

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                                          RE: Danger Danger Danger Fri, 07/4/08 10:16 AM (permalink)
                                          I gave up smoking 25 years ago, only to have my prostrate fall out from cancer because I burn hot dogs for a living? Unfair I tell you!!!
                                           
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                                            GB944

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                                            RE: Danger Danger Danger Fri, 07/4/08 11:30 AM (permalink)
                                            Like George Carlin once said, "They figured out what causes cancer. It's saliva, but only when swallowed in small amounts over a long period of time."

                                             
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                                              RE: Danger Danger Danger Fri, 07/4/08 11:38 AM (permalink)
                                              quote:
                                              Originally posted by Dr of BBQ


                                              ...... I want to go out with a bang, in a rush and a fatal heart attack while eating a great steak, smoking a really good cigar, drinking a great wine, or having great sex. LMAO

                                              Jack


                                              So you'll be eating steak tar-tar off of a naked girl while smoking the cigar?
                                               
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                                                MiamiDon

                                                RE: Danger Danger Danger Fri, 07/4/08 12:47 PM (permalink)
                                                The CSPI has long been known for its hysterical pronouncements, and in at least one case, causing great harm:

                                                In September 2004, CSPI executive director Michael Jacobson published an op-ed in The San Francisco Chronicle renewing his call to outlaw trans fats from the American diet. He wrote: “It’s time to dump partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, the quintessential symbol of modern food technology, into the garbage disposal of history.”

                                                While he insists that trans fats are responsible for as many as 30,000 deaths a year (a highly questionable figure), Jacobson fails to mention that he is largely responsible for their heavier concentration in the American diet. In fact, CSPI was originally one of trans fats’ most vocal proponents.

                                                According to trans fat opponent Dr. Mary Enig, a Ph.D. nutritionist who has edited both the Journal of the American College of Nutrition and Clinical Nutrition, the blame for trans fat falls largely on Jacobson and CSPI. She wrote in the fall of 2003:


                                                It is impossible to measure the hazards and grief that [CSPI Director of Nutrition Bonnie] Leibman and Jacobson—the leaders of the major nutrition "activist" consumer organization—have inflicted on many millions of an unknowing public.
                                                The story dates to the mid-1980s, when CSPI launched an all-out assault on fast food restaurants that used beef fat and palm oil to cook their French fries. Jacobson led protests in front of restaurants and organized a massive postcard campaign aimed at their corporate headquarters. By the early ‘90s, most chains had replaced CSPI’s hated beef fat and tropical oils with the only viable alternative: partially hydrogenated oil, which contained trans fats. Jacobson claimed victory.

                                                Along the path to this "success," CSPI busied itself exonerating hydrogenated oils from a number of studies linking them to increased levels of blood cholesterol. In 1988 CSPI wrote in its Nutrition Action Healthletter: "All told, the charges against trans fat just don’t stand up. And by extension, hydrogenated oils seem relatively innocent." And in a second article a year later, CSPI’s Leibman wrote, "The Bottom Line ... Trans, shmans."

                                                 
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                                                  RichardFriese

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                                                  RE: Danger Danger Danger Fri, 07/4/08 5:27 PM (permalink)
                                                  Answering what causes disease is going to be an ongoing controversy, no matter who studies it and presents their information. Is it caused by environment, food, genetics, virus / bacteria? My guess on cancer is genetics and a virus. People that have the genetics to battle a particular virus don't get that type cancer and people that end up with it don't have the genetics to battle the virus. My grandfather would be a model of what not to do. Smoked for part of his life, ate a large helping of eggs and bacon in the morning. Grilled a type of Hungarian steak that has bacon on the outside, then the grease drippings were dripped onto bread and onions. Once the steak and bacon were done, a sandwich was made with steak, bacon, and the greasy bread and onions. Drank heavily, although he worked constantly. Died at 104. A lot of my family jokes that he lived so long because of the amount of alcohol in his blood, anything that invaded his body died instantly from the high alcohol content. Had an aunt that was a veterinarian and believed her diet would give her a long life, died in her 40s very angry.

                                                  The studies go on with everyone still guessing what the true combination is for a long life. There are going to be the researchers in it for the buck, or those with a personal experience that devotedly believe they have the answer, leaving the rest of us to guess what the answer is for a long life. RJF
                                                   
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                                                    RE: Danger Danger Danger Fri, 07/4/08 5:46 PM (permalink)
                                                    quote:
                                                    Originally posted by Pigiron

                                                    Davebugg, I respect your right to your own opinion, but if your source of information is "CSPIscam", then you really don't have a leg to stand on. That website is operated and maintained by something called "Center For Consumer Freedom", which goes to great lengths to appear as if it's a "consumer" organization, when in fact it's a front group for the alcohol, tobacco and restaurant industry. Your "source" is funded by Exxon, Coca-Cola and Phillip Morris.


                                                    Sorry, but you're absolutely wrong. Besides, that's a tired tactic. The information on the website is based on verifiable facts, regardless of funding. Aside from that "shoot the messenger" rhetoric, let me remind you that George Soros is the largest contributor to CSPI, to which he is linked to massive special interest left-wing causes.

                                                    quote:
                                                    In contrast, the Center for Science in the Public Interest was founded by scientists,


                                                    Wrong again. Onefounder is a "professional" activist under Ralph Nader, and the other two founders are lawyers.

                                                    quote:
                                                    doesn't take one cent from industry


                                                    That is nothing but a red-herring. Special interest groups come in all guises from those who wish to take away gun rights to those who wish to annex southwest America to Mexico to those who support Islamic facisim and terrorists. Again, it is not only naive, but faulty logic to attempt to disqualify a source by mere accusation of funding source. I think many of those who fund groups like the Sierra Club, PETA, CSPI, the ACLU, The Southern Poverty Law Center, Code Pink, etc. are dangerous fanatics who wish to denigrate America, it's lifestyles, and who desire to change our country into a socialist, politically-correct, wussy state.

                                                    Take a look at who are the major contributors to CSPI, and it verifies what I've said.

                                                    quote:
                                                    has received a 4 star rating from CharityNavigator.com


                                                    And that tells us ZIP about the scientific validity and agenda of CSPI.

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                                                    and 90 to 95% of their revenue comes from subscription to their "Nutrition Action" newsletter (which has zero advertising). The rest comes from private foundation grants. They accept no government grants and not one cent in corporate funding.


                                                    Yup, thanks to George Soros and his ilk.

                                                    quote:
                                                    So, which group do you think has been bought and payed for to increase the bottom line of big industry?


                                                    Wrong question. The correct question is: Which group is bought and paid for by left-leaning socialist reformers?

                                                    quote:
                                                    Call them a "nanny group", that's absolutely fine, and I don't really disagree with that characterization.


                                                    There is no way to dispute it. They wish to impose their will on the American public. They don't believe in free will or choice. A truly anti-American concept.

                                                    quote:
                                                    But the Center for Science in the Public Interest TRULY operates in the public interest.


                                                    No. They truly operate in the interest of their special interest's agenda.

                                                    quote:
                                                    What they are currently working towards (from their Web site):

                                                    Get junk foods out of schools nationwide;
                                                    Rid the food supply of partially hydrogenated oil, the source of artificial trans fat that promotes heart disease;
                                                    Reduce sodium in processed and restaurant foods;.
                                                    Improve food safety laws and reduce the incidence of foodborne illness;
                                                    Advocate for more healthy, plant-based, environmentally-friendly diets;
                                                    Ensure accurate and honest labeling on food packages;
                                                    Require basic nutrition labeling on chain-restaurants’ menus and menu boards;
                                                    Provide responsible information about the benefits and risks of agricultural biotechnology;
                                                    Obtain greater federal funding for alcohol-abuse prevention policies; and
                                                    Expose industry influence over the scientific process and in government policy-making.


                                                    Seriously, calling the CSPI "self-serving" is absolutely ridiculous.


                                                    And the fact that you wish to take the word of a non-scientific, activist organization is frightening. CSPI does not conduct any scientific research. It is a public policy advocacy group. It cherry-picks through the mountains of existing research to support it's socialist agenda under the hue and cry of "public health" while ignoring the research that directly contradicts CSPI's agenda. What is even sorrier is that CSPI uses far more monetary resources in legal wrangling, including nuisance suits against business and the smearing of actual scientists who disagree with CSPI, than it does in it's laughable reviews of the scientific literature. But, after all, that has become part-n-parcel of todays leftist, socialist, anti-democratic "advocacy" 501c3 groups.
                                                     
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                                                      bdtn

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                                                      RE: Danger Danger Danger Fri, 07/4/08 5:53 PM (permalink)
                                                      when i was at the cia they told us ther was a higher instance of lung
                                                      cancer in broiler cooks. ever body smoked i thougt it was the xtra smoke
                                                      from the grill and meat smoke.after a long night of work when you blew your nose ther would be black stuff coming out,some times you would hack
                                                      up black stuff i now have a 2 deck broiler where the smoke goes up the
                                                      back flu it makes a big differnce it cost 7000 but sure is nice all the
                                                      high end steak places use them as they are twice as hot as a open grill.
                                                      good for the cooks bad for the guests it seems
                                                       
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                                                        CajunKing

                                                        RE: Danger Danger Danger Fri, 07/4/08 6:10 PM (permalink)
                                                        Jack

                                                        Just where was that cig......... never mind I dont want to be banned for what i was about to say.

                                                        I agree with you though, we are all going to die, so lets die doing something we really enjoy!

                                                         
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                                                          Dr of BBQ

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                                                          RE: Danger Danger Danger Fri, 07/4/08 10:06 PM (permalink)
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                                                          Originally posted by edwmax


                                                          So you'll be eating steak tar-tar off of a naked girl while smoking the cigar?


                                                          Cajun King,
                                                          EdwMax has it right. That's the way to go. And I want pictures taken and posted on the internet and in our local paper, so all my friends will say "Well that grouchy bastard went out the way he lived". Oh and one more last bequest, I want a fat roll of hundreds displayed, so that anyone I owe money to will think I took it with me. Then put my ashes in a five inch salute and shoot that puppy on the next fourth of July. Yea that's the way to die. Although it's already to late to live hard die pretty. So I'll just live hard to the end.
                                                          LMAO
                                                          Jack
                                                           
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                                                            edwmax

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                                                            RE: Danger Danger Danger Fri, 07/4/08 10:24 PM (permalink)
                                                             
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