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Burger Bob

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Detroit Chili Dogs Sat, 09/17/05 9:21 PM (permalink)
The best coneys come from two restaurants in downtown Detroit. National Coney Island and American Coney Island. They are next door to one another. If you are coming to the Super Bowl in February to see the Lions and Patroits, be sure to check out either of these fine dining establishments while you are enjoying my fine city.
 
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    Michael Hoffman

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    RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sat, 09/17/05 9:39 PM (permalink)
    Do you really believe the Lions are going to want to hang around Detroit to watch a football game that long after their season has ended?
     
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      Burger Bob

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      RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sat, 09/17/05 9:45 PM (permalink)
      No, I am saying the Lions will be first team to ever play in Super Bowl at home.
       
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        Michael Hoffman

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        RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sat, 09/17/05 10:01 PM (permalink)
        Oh, I see. You're a dreamer.
         
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          BuddyRoadhouse

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          RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Mon, 09/19/05 7:58 PM (permalink)
          This thread got awful quiet after the lowly Chicago Bears squished the Lions yesterday. Does eating those Detroit chili dogs make you look that confused?
           
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            mayor al

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            RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Mon, 09/19/05 8:05 PM (permalink)

            It is quiet because the source of the insanity is no longer on the site.
            AL
             
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              UncleVic

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              RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Mon, 09/19/05 8:39 PM (permalink)
              I agree with the Mayor.. But I've yet to try the American or National Coneys... Still havent been to that side of the state this year. Might have to do the mail order deal to see what I'm missing out on.. http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9047

               
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                RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Thu, 09/22/05 9:27 PM (permalink)
                The Detroit Lions Lost
                Really
                 
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                  UncleVic

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                  RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Thu, 09/22/05 10:47 PM (permalink)
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by pigface

                  The Detroit Lions Lost
                  Really


                  Not sure what the loosing Lions have to do with a decent chili dog.. But their familar pattern persists!
                   
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                    RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Fri, 09/23/05 3:48 PM (permalink)
                    I had the pleasure of stopping by the National Coney resturant while in Detroit. I was told I would love em. I stopped in at lunch hour and I could not believe the amount of people there! The dogs were great, and the service was very fast. Will definately go again. Ya just gotta love Detroit.
                     
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                      UncleVic

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                      RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sat, 09/24/05 2:13 AM (permalink)
                      quote:
                      Originally posted by myway

                      I had the pleasure of stopping by the National Coney resturant while in Detroit. I was told I would love em. I stopped in at lunch hour and I could not believe the amount of people there! The dogs were great, and the service was very fast. Will definately go again. Ya just gotta love Detroit.


                      Hey Myway.. Thanks for the report! Did ya have a chance to compare the 2 dogs stands while you where there (National and American)? I hear it's a battle, and to say I'm curious would be an understatment..

                       
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                        Taco_Ted

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                        RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sun, 09/25/05 11:58 AM (permalink)
                        Detroit has restaurants?
                         
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                          Michigander

                          RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sun, 09/25/05 1:06 PM (permalink)
                          Is the National Coney in the Mcarthy terminal at Detroit Metro Airport part of the same organization? I only saw it from the tram, and didn't have time to est there the last time through.
                           
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                            Rapunzll

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                            RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sun, 09/25/05 1:47 PM (permalink)
                            I thought one of those was called Lafayette Coney Island?
                             
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                              UncleVic

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                              RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sun, 09/25/05 2:16 PM (permalink)
                              quote:
                              Originally posted by Rapunzll

                              I thought one of those was called Lafayette Coney Island?


                              I beleive they're on the street named Lafayette...
                               
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                                Rapunzll

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                                RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sun, 09/25/05 2:52 PM (permalink)
                                 
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                                  probie

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                                  RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sun, 09/25/05 9:00 PM (permalink)
                                  Lafayette and American are the original coney downtown Detroit. National is a chain in the Detroit area. I believe National is at the airport. Lafayette is the BEST.
                                   
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                                    Rapunzll

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                                    RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sun, 09/25/05 9:27 PM (permalink)
                                    That was always my understanding! I grew up in the Detroit area, but to be honest, never had one till about five years ago. I sure did miss out for years, especially since I now live up north and don't have much access.
                                     
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                                      myway

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                                      RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Mon, 09/26/05 7:13 PM (permalink)
                                      No Sir,
                                      I was taken by my Brother in Law to National and he said they were the best hands down. He also took me to the Anchor bar. It's a Bar/Historical site in Detroit that had pretty good food and a ton of atmosphere.
                                       
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                                        Rapunzll

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                                        RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Mon, 09/26/05 8:03 PM (permalink)
                                        It's a matter of personal preference of course, but those two shown in the link I posted, the Lafayette and the American are considered to be the top two places for chili dogs in Detroit.
                                         
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                                          probie

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                                          RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Mon, 09/26/05 8:50 PM (permalink)
                                          You can debate Lafayette and American, but National is to coney's, as McDonalds is to hamburges.
                                           
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                                            Rapunzll

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                                            RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Mon, 09/26/05 9:04 PM (permalink)
                                            That says it all. I'll make sure to avoid National! LOL
                                             
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                                              tater dickens

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                                              RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Sun, 01/22/06 11:54 PM (permalink)
                                              Having tried both places on a trip to Detroit last year my preference is the Lafayette, for both the coneys and the atmosphere.
                                               
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                                                gschwim

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                                                RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Tue, 01/24/06 2:37 AM (permalink)
                                                I'm fron Detroit (now living in NYC) and practically grew up on Lafayette and American Coney Islands. Definitely try them if you're in Detroit. Best is to order a hot dog and a "bowl of chil, smothered," which is a bowl of the chili, with raw onions on top. You can get it with or without beans (I usually got it without).

                                                And if you can't make it to Detroit, you'll be happy to know that the American Coney Island sells mail-order "Coney Island Kits" that you can order online: https://www.virtualnewsnet.com/ACI/order_form.html
                                                 
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                                                  ScreenBear

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                                                  RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Thu, 02/2/06 9:47 PM (permalink)
                                                  So we can vicariously enjoy the Detroit type dogs at our Superbowl parties.

                                                  Can anyone give us the succinct but detailed skinny on the Detroit Style Dog...Lafayette, Coney etc, their similarities, differences, preparation and the general preferences, including type of dog, bun, condiments?

                                                  Detroit Hot Dog Experts...America Needs You Now!
                                                  The Bear
                                                   
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                                                    UncleVic

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                                                    RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Thu, 02/2/06 10:53 PM (permalink)
                                                    quote:
                                                    Originally posted by ScreenBear

                                                    So we can vicariously enjoy the Detroit type dogs at our Superbowl parties.

                                                    Can anyone give us the succinct but detailed skinny on the Detroit Style Dog...Lafayette, Coney etc, their similarities, differences, preparation and the general preferences, including type of dog, bun, condiments?

                                                    Detroit Hot Dog Experts...America Needs You Now!
                                                    The Bear



                                                    That would be an easy one if there was only one or two choices. But whenever your turn a corner, something different seems to come up. Let me know what style your intrested in and I'll forward you a recipe or two (I've posted them in other threads here, but will gladly repost here)...

                                                     
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                                                      ScreenBear

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                                                      RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Thu, 02/2/06 11:16 PM (permalink)
                                                      Uncle Vic,
                                                      Just for starters, how about a description of what you deem to be the classic Detroit Dog?
                                                      The Bear
                                                       
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                                                        gschwim

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                                                        RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Thu, 02/2/06 11:41 PM (permalink)
                                                        Screenbear: I grew up in Detroit. The classic "Detroit dog" is the Coney Island hot dog and the "classic" places to get them is at either the American Coney Island or Lafayette Coney Island, both located on Lafayette Street, in downtown Detroit. As for the difference between the two, I don't know if anyone can tell you! The typical customer for each are so loyal that people have lived their entire lives patronizing only one of the two, even though, as you can see from the photo (http://sff.net/people/sfreader/detres2.JPG), they are adjacent to each other! I left Detroit many years ago and my memory is fading, but I seem to remember being a "Lafayette guy," but I also may be one of those heretics who tried both places. Anyway, the founders of both places were brothers who used to work together, I suspect that there is little if any difference between the two.

                                                        If you can't make it to Detroit, you can scroll up on this thread to a link to the American's site, where you can order a "coney kit." Or you can order just the chili topping from Koegel Meats: http://www.koegelmeats.com/products/db.cgi?hot+dog+chili .

                                                        I like to slice the 5-lb. tubes into smaller chunks that I put in sandwich bags and keep in the freezer.


                                                         
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                                                          UncleVic

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                                                          RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Fri, 02/3/06 1:15 AM (permalink)
                                                          quote:
                                                          Originally posted by ScreenBear

                                                          Uncle Vic,
                                                          Just for starters, how about a description of what you deem to be the classic Detroit Dog?
                                                          The Bear


                                                          I beleive Gschwim pretty well stated it..
                                                          I'm a left coast Michigan resident, but I've talked, questioned and learned alot from the east coast residents (of Michigan).. Like I said earlier, you turn a few blocks and the recipes will differ.. Sort of Strong Greek influence to a weak Greek influence. From a meaty sauce to a wet sauce. Alot use Beef Hearts as substance, othere's just simmered ground beef and thickened tomato sauce.

                                                          Here's what seems to be the most authentic recipe:

                                                          The Coney Island shop in Detroit is a landmark and one of the first coney shops to open. Here is their authentic recipe...you need some type of organ meat, so arrange with your butcher. This was published in one of the Detroit papers back in the 1970's.

                                                          Original Coney Island Sauce

                                                          1 tablespoon Butter
                                                          1 tablespoon Margarine
                                                          1 1/2 pound(s) Ground beef
                                                          2 medium Onion(s), minced
                                                          1 clove Garlic, crushed
                                                          3 tablespoon(s) Chili powder
                                                          1 tablespoon Yellow mustard
                                                          6 ounce(s) Tomato paste
                                                          6 ounce(s) Water
                                                          1 Beef heart, cooked and ground
                                                          4 Hot dog(s), ground
                                                          Salt and pepper to taste
                                                          1 tablespoon Sweet pickle relish
                                                          1 tablespoon Green olives, crushed

                                                          PREPARATION:
                                                          Combine all ingredients except hot dogs and cook until thick.
                                                          Do NOT brown the beef first.
                                                          Add the hot dogs and cook 15 minutes longer.
                                                          If the sauce is too thin, add some crumbled soda crackers.
                                                           
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                                                            ScreenBear

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                                                            RE: Detroit Chili Dogs Fri, 02/3/06 1:37 AM (permalink)
                                                            gschwim, Vic,
                                                            I have been educated. Thanks.
                                                            The Bear
                                                             
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