Again, despite the fact that I disagree with much of what is being said here, I very much appreciate that you have all chosen to confine the non-topical discussion here, rather than place it in the Cincinnati Eats thread, which has been a problem of late
now, onto the points made
Re: you're [TJ] not
Re: "my rules"
I don't make any rules. I am not a moderator, admin, or the board owner. I am just a member of the boards, same as anyone else. Anyone talking about "my rules" is badly misinformed about how these boards operate.
Re: changing the thread title
I wold hope that the moderators would not do so, knowing that if someone wished to discuss a slightly broader topic, say "SW Ohio Eateries" (which is what all of you seem to want but are not willing to do so) that the person wishing to do so need only open a thread with that title and proceed to discuss.
re: Middletown borderline
I only suggested that as a working line of demarcation when the question arose when the Dayton thread was started where the one started and the other ended. Middletown was one suggestion of several, as I recall, and is no better and no worse than any other. It simply is a reasonable point on the map to us for this purpose. There is no "rule" in place enforcing this. I consider it like unto a "gentleman's agreement" and suspect most others do as well. It helps maintain the topicality of both threads.
re: Dayton and Cincinnati being one city
This is simply wrong. I can using the same logic (if one could call it that, and clearly, some members here think they can) connect any two cities in the county, albeit I need a longer sentence (a bleeds into b bleeds into c bleeds into d etc etc). Perhaps in the coastal east, cities are more closely blended because of high speed public transportation between them. We dont have that here.
re: ridiculous example.
The womens bowling example was chosen to be over the top enough to illustrate my point. We have a post now in the Cincinnati thread where someone talks about eating at a Quaker Steak and Lube in Michigan. Earlier, certain members wanted to talk on and on about Troni's, which is most certainly in Dayton, not in Cincinnati. The over the top example served to illustrate my point of the value of topicality
Re: so whats topical?
Ultimately, the moderators determine whether a given post strays sufficiently from topicality for an action to be taken. That said, I think (almost) everyone can agree when the issue is clear cut - for example, Troni's is clearly not in Cincinnati. The fact that the mods have not acted to move or remove a questionable post does not constitute their acceptance of the topicality of a given post, because frankly, I dont think they have the time to review each and every single post made on this huge messageboard. No fault of theirs, but they are a small volunteer force and there are thousands of folks posting.
That said, It is my understanding that a mod will simply make a judgement call based on the title of the thread as to whether a given post is topical. Since the original poster sets the thread title, this original intent is of some value - ie the thread opener opens a thread with the intent to discuss the stated subject.
so......what was my intent?
Pretty much the area within the I-275 loop and then for some distance beyond, with the area being progressively less and less related to the topic the further away it is from I-275. Did I have in mind a magical line of demarcation, with one side good to go and the other side verboten? Heck no - and I still dont. But I can say that while discussing Richards in Hamilton is in my opinion topical, it is less topical than discussing Noce's or Adriaticos. There are topics that are a good fit, those that somewhat fit, and those that do not fit at all. Tronis (for example) does not fit at all. I dont think Brown County is a good fit, and since there seems to be some eagerness to talk about it a lot, I suggested the opening of a new topic.
re: the market area
It is my counter-contention that the vast majority of those living in Cincinnati an Northern Ky do not regularly drive to Dayton to eat. Period. If you live in Monroe, I can see one driving to either far more easily. I consider myself a dedicated Roadfooder and yet have driven to Dayton exactly once myself on a roadfood mission - to eat at Troni's. I fully intend to make another trip to get to Crabill's and perhaps another to Pine Club. But when the average resident of Cincinnati decides to go out to eat, and starts thinking about where they are going to go, do you really honesty believe that anything in Dayton is even in consideration? Quite honestly, I don't even consider Middletown or Monroe, despite the fairly quick access via I-75
re: preferring the management solve the hangup
Not a good idea. The mod staff numbers under a half dozen, all volunteer, and without fixed hours. There are thousands of posters. They are overwhelmed as it is, and frankly, they also are roadfooders who prefer to spend their time on here same as we all do - reading and talking about trips, eats, and other roadfood-type topics. When they do put their "mod" hats on, they are primarily concerned with the really bad stuff like hate speech, spam, obscenity, and the like. If tasked with resolving this particular issue, I would not be surprised at all if the solution they would decide upon was to ban all posters who have been involved in the conflict........after all, no posters in conflict = problem gone. You and I might not personally consider that fair, but in the larger scheme of things, our individual presences (or absences) here are a small thing. It is a privilege rather than a right to be here. No, it is better by far that we do what we can to police ourselves - following the rules, and trying to get along with each other as best we can, even when we disagree.
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