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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/04 00:18:25 (permalink)
Cool looking stuff. I like to target shoot my 22. Me and the kids enjoy going to a local WMA, setting up camp, doing some hiking, fishing and spending some time at the range. I'm trying to decide between hitting the WMA for some pond fishing and range time, or head out to a trout stream this week.

I'm seriously wanting to pick up a pistol in 22LR. Saving those pennies.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/04 06:23:00 (permalink)
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John, the 66-7 I'm looking at is 4". The price is $499+tax+$8 fed check. I really don't need it. I've always had a soft spot for K/L or N frame 3.5" or 4" pinned and recessed 357 and this NIB version happend to come my way.

CSD


Yep, saw the difference. Wanted to give you a little more incentive to buy it, we only go around once; enjoy it.

John

BTW. I'm heading out to do some chronograph testing with my new AR-15 in 9mm that will accept any of the 30 or so standard Glock magazines that I have. For those not aware, standard is not the 10 round magazines but the so called original high capacity magazines that the guns were designed around.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/04 07:18:48 (permalink)
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Originally posted by chicagostyledog

John, the 66-7 I'm looking at is 4". The price is $499+tax+$8 fed check. I really don't need it. I've always had a soft spot for K/L or N frame 3.5" or 4" pinned and recessed 357 and this NIB version happend to come my way.

CSD


Yep, saw the difference. Wanted to give you a little more incentive to buy it, we only go around once; enjoy it.

John

BTW. I'm heading out to do some chronograph testing with my new AR-15 in 9mm that will accept any of the 30 or so standard Glock magazines that I have. For those not aware, standard is not the 10 round magazines but the so called original high capacity magazines that the guns were designed around.

What's the effective range for the 9MM AR-15? It has to be relatively close, is it not? My question stems from the fact I have been getting away from 9MM as the .40 and the .45 have evolved. My XD 45 will shoot rings around anything but an accurized Gold Cup, and my .40 has more power than 9MM's. So I've gone in that direction away from 9MM's.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/05 09:09:12 (permalink)
It's difficult to find any studies that definitivelty state a major advantage of any one handgun caliber over another.

I've owned just about every type of .45 there is including some of the multi thousand dollar models. At the current price of components that gets rather expensive when you shoot 15,000+ rounds per year, even reloading. FDLE stats indicate that most urban gun battles involving long guns are under 50 yards, well within the effective range of a 9mm carbine. The 9mm is also a good choice for home self defense as it's not as likely to exit your walls and enter your neighbors, as will a .223. Naturally I'm referring to hollow point rounds, not jacketed.

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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/05 11:21:00 (permalink)
I guess I'm a cheater. For home protection my wife has a 20ga coach gun (I love her but even a pump would confuse her) and I have a 12ga pump riot gun. I firmly believe that w/ the exception of incoming artie or incoming fast movers (neither commonly heard in America) that the sound of a pump shotgun chambering a round is the most fearful sound on the planet. Chunk-chunk and people stop in their tracks.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/05 12:12:16 (permalink)
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All Wisconsin gun shops and FFL's charge and $8 is a bargain. Some charge as high as $24.

Wow! That's amazing. I know of not a single place in Ohio where they do that. Granted, I'm often charged a small fee -- it's never been more than $25 -- when I have a firearm shipped from a maker to a gunshop for my use, but that's really for use of their license.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/05 15:58:39 (permalink)
Chunk-chunk, amen. Best short-range weapon there is #00 buckshot in a sawed-off 12 ga.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/05 16:46:53 (permalink)
Sawed off? Never. We just buy 18 1/4" barrel length from the manufacturer. Never had to use one and pray to the Lord I never do.

I have on occasion used the chunk-chunk to settle down situations. We live in the middle of nowhere (not like Wyoming middle of nowwhere) but a day to get to you is the same as an hour when you have a sucking chest wound. My wife used to tell me to carry my cell phone w/ me when leaving my office in a rather bad part of town..."Yes dear". I carried a Colt 1911A1. Never pulled it, never used it but made me feel better than a cell phone.

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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/05 19:28:00 (permalink)
Dropping the slide on a 1911 is almost as good as cycling a shotgun!
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/05 19:46:53 (permalink)
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Chunk-chunk, amen. Best short-range weapon there is #00 buckshot in a sawed-off 12 ga.


Oneiron, I hzve always agreed with you but I have recently had conflicting opinions indicating that birdshot was better?

I do not know.

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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/06 07:35:08 (permalink)
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Chunk-chunk, amen. Best short-range weapon there is #00 buckshot in a sawed-off 12 ga.


Oneiron, I hzve always agreed with you but I have recently had conflicting opinions indicating that birdshot was better?

I do not know.

Paul E. Smith
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Many folks in law enforcement have told me the #00 was a better short range load than others simply it would kill anything in a "door-sized" area at 25 yards. Birdshot would do the job at closer range, but might just make someone angrier at longer range. We used #00 in the military many moons ago also. Personally, I'm going with the #00.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/06 10:14:04 (permalink)
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I'm a military arms collector who recently handed down his collection of Korea and before firearms and edged weapons to his son, a man with enough brains to not live in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.

Also a life member of the NRA and CRPA.

I'm an NRA life member. I recently got a Legacy Life Membership for my grandson. In fact, I just sent off the information so they can send him his credentials and subscription to American Rifleman. I had to wait till I got his APO address for Korea.


Hello from a fellow NRA Life Member!
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/06 10:32:50 (permalink)
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My first Christmas in Alaska.....gifts consisted of a down parka with coyote fur hood and a .22 Ruger. Strangest gifts I ever received. It's a nice little gun for shooting ptarmagan. Our house in Alaska is like an armory. He has guns for everything. We never travel (except through Canada) without the .44 Magnum (Maggie). I bought him a Snake Charmer one year for his birthday........oh, we're BIG into guns. I'll see if I can get Zman to post the specifics of all of his treasures.


Who's Ptarmagan and what did he do to piss you off???
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/06 10:36:30 (permalink)
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Whatever type of ammunition you use for personal protection do not, under any circumstances, use reloads. Prosecutors are much more likely to consider charges if a shooter uses "ammunition made especially to kill and not wound." You might win in court, but you'll have had the opportunity to spend every dime you have defending yourself. Prosecutors have made that argument in seeking indictments against people who use home-rolled ammo, and even purchased reloads. And, as they say, you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, so think how much easier it is to get one to indict an actual person who put a bullet into a miscreant -- I mean a fellow wonderful human being who made a silly mistake.



Guns don't kill people. Ham sandwiches kill people.

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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/08 03:00:06 (permalink)
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My XD 45 will shoot rings around anything but an accurized Gold Cup, and my .40 has more power than 9MM's. So I've gone in that direction away from 9MM's.


Do you have the service or the tactical model of the XD .45? How many rounds have you fired from it?

I've now have 150 rounds through mine. Should get another 100 or so through it this week.

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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/08 08:05:52 (permalink)
GLOCK MODEL 23 .40
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AK47 PISTOLGRIP 88 ROUND DRUM
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LLAMA MAX 1 .45
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/08 10:15:34 (permalink)
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My XD 45 will shoot rings around anything but an accurized Gold Cup, and my .40 has more power than 9MM's. So I've gone in that direction away from 9MM's.


Do you have the service or the tactical model of the XD .45? How many rounds have you fired from it?

I've now have 150 rounds through mine. Should get another 100 or so through it this week.

MikeS.

I have the tactical - it came out last year, with about 2-300 rounds through it. I really like it.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/08 17:39:12 (permalink)
SPRINGFIELD MAKES NICE AUTOS PERIOD
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/09 03:33:44 (permalink)
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Mike & Oneiron, I have yet to own a semi-auto. The new Springfield 4" XD45 Compact seems to be calling. Opinions? http://www.gunblast.com/images/Springfield-XD45/XD45.mpg


CSD, check out www.xdtalk.com it has a ton of info on the XD in general and a forum devoted to the .45 auto XD. Yes, I'm a member there too. The compact .45 is the 4" service with the grip cutoff .7 of an inch I believe. It comes with a 10 rnd magazine that fits flush and a 13 rnd that has an extension to make an even fit. But you already knew all that, didn't you???

These pistols seem to be very reliable, very few reports of problems. Thousands of rounds have been fired through a single pistol w/o a single jam. They like bare lead & swc bullets too.

Get it!

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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/09 07:13:34 (permalink)
Mike, thanks for the info. I think they may have one at my local range. If so, I'll rent it and purchse a box of ammo. What ammo are you using? I'm partial to Speer, but will try others. Speer makes a 230gr short barrel for the 45 and like all their ammo, it's more costly. Would I be better off using a 200 grain?
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/09 07:28:03 (permalink)
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Mike, thanks for the info. I think they may have one at my local range. If so, I'll rent it and purchse a box of ammo. What ammo are you using? I'm partial to Speer, but will try others. Speer makes a 230gr short barrel for the 45 and like all their ammo, it's more costly. Would I be better off using a 200 grain?

Depends on what you're using it for. I usually get cheap ammo by the case for target shooting (since I stopped reloading) and get the best stopping power rounds for home protection - 230 gr. Speer are good, 200 gr. JHP are pretty fast but less energy.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/10 00:11:51 (permalink)
CSD, I'm not really the 1 to ask about 45 ammo, this is my 1st one. I'm using Wolf 230grn fmj for range work right now as I learn this new pistol. I did buy a box of gold dot for home Sunday.

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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/10 07:27:02 (permalink)
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The Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel has been my defense ammo of choice. It's clean and costly, but I found a local FFL that gets me the stuff for $3.00 above cost/box. I've been using Federal Match Wadcutters for the range. Just recently, Buffalo Bore came out with a 38 special defense full wadcutter showing better stats than the Speer 38+p GDSB. I plan to order some this week. Next week I'll check out a XD45. My local dealer is asking $485 for a NIB 45 4" Compact, before taxes and fed check. Seems like an okay price.

Have you ever checked GunBroker.com? They have some good auctions. I got my XD last year at a great price compared to local shops. Also, good prices on ammo.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/11 11:46:59 (permalink)
I prefer gun shows to buy weapons. Currently I'm on the other side of the bell curve and am selling mine.

But I've always prefered the Colt 1911A1 (mid sixties manufacture date) as a carry, a Brazilian copy as a practice piece, a Ruger 22/45 MkIII as a low cost trainer and a S&W Bodyguard .38 as a backup. Of course the shotgun behind the seat of the van might get pulled also.

Never had to use any of them and I think that having them caused that result. Had one young man remark "Don't F*** w/ that crippled up old man". I took it as a compliment.

Thing is I feel naked when getting on an airplane now. I remember a Archie Bunker episode where he advocated everyone boarding an airplane be issued a handgun. Comical but...I'm just joking.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/11 23:40:23 (permalink)
well it's been a while since i lasted visited this area.
got a 45/70 marlin just cause my grandmother was native american and this cartridge was adopted for use in a trapdoor springfield to shoot native americans with.
got a 45acp just cause that's what i carried when i got drafted in 69 altho i liked my 12 ga wingmaster better (opps darn i violated the geneva convention there and thanks dad for sending the ammo in my monthly care package)
got a bull barrel ruger 22 pistol for squirell hunting (head shots only) but that was too easy
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i built a 32 cal cva blackpowder rifle for the same purpose (handcast balls,10 thou patches and spit lube. was much more sporting). i later built my daughter a 3/4 scale northwest trade gun fairly much from scratch and we had some fun there.
wife has an sw6904 9mm belly gun and out to 25 yards she is getting 3 inch groups with norinco ammo and she loves her uzi!!!!!
but what i really love is black powder or archery. there is nothing like fabricating a rifle with your own hands and then testing it.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/12 12:49:36 (permalink)
What seems like a million years ago I built a rifle from a Dixie Gun Works kit. Must have looked ok as I sold it the first trip to the range.

I do like building potato cannons...more fun than a barrel of monkeys...never understood that term...what would be fun about a barrel of monkeys?
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/12 14:53:11 (permalink)
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What seems like a million years ago I built a rifle from a Dixie Gun Works kit. Must have looked ok as I sold it the first trip to the range.

I do like building potato cannons...more fun than a barrel of monkeys...never understood that term...what would be fun about a barrel of monkeys?


I do not know about a barrel of them but I do know about a C-118 full of them. Caught a MATS flight from Winnepeg to Ft. Dix in 1960 that was carring a load of them, between the noise & smell there nothing funny about that flight.

John
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/12 15:49:54 (permalink)
NRA Lifetimer. Lots of upland bird hunting in Tx, Ks, the Dakotas etc. Collect and use 12,20 and 28 bore over and unders.

Be safe out there!

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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/12 16:36:42 (permalink)
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What seems like a million years ago I built a rifle from a Dixie Gun Works kit. Must have looked ok as I sold it the first trip to the range.

I do like building potato cannons...more fun than a barrel of monkeys...never understood that term...what would be fun about a barrel of monkeys?


I do not know about a barrel of them but I do know about a C-118 full of them. Caught a MATS flight from Winnepeg to Ft. Dix in 1960 that was carring a load of them, between the noise & smell there nothing funny about that flight.

John


I have to confess the thought of a cargo plane full of monkeys fills my mind's eye and makes me bend over w/ laughter.
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RE: Firearm lovers. 2007/04/12 20:42:59 (permalink)
Hey Bo, welcome to Roadfood!

I've been buying 9mmLuger ammo at WM the past couple weeks, getting Winchester WB for 7.97 a box of 50. About the cheapest centerfire I can buy for practice ammo. For my new .45 I bought 500 rnds of Wolf ball at 12 bucks for 50 rnds. I warm up with the 9 for about 100 rounds then hit the .45 for 100. Tomorrow is range day, I'll be using my 9mm, the .45 and my Ruger 10/22. I also have a Ruger M77 in .22lr that I need to sight in with a new scope.

I just love range day!

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