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BigSlicks

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First shirt decal... Wed, 06/3/09 8:05 PM (permalink)
Well guys I have my first shirt drawing complete and you my friends are the first to see it complete this is 1 of 15 that are in the works.

 
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#1
    Foodosaurus

    Re:First shirt decal... Wed, 06/3/09 8:10 PM (permalink)

    That's great!  Reminds me of the "Big Johnson" shirts that I used to have to turn inside out in high school.

     
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      davebugg

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      Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 12:39 AM (permalink)
      I don't care for it. I don't like blatant double-entendre stuff on clothing, seems too cheap and crass. Objectively, the art work is very good.
       
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        BigSlicks

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        Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 12:51 AM (permalink)
        Well thanks for you thoughts. I on the other hand think it is a great idea. Joes crap shack, Hooters, Big Johnson, all big hits with their clothing.
         
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          canopyclubcafe

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          Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 12:58 AM (permalink)
          Awesome, Big Slick!

          Great Job! 

          Michael
           
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            BigSlicks

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            Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 1:27 AM (permalink)
            Thanks so how many you want lol
             
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              Curbside Grill

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              Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 2:11 AM (permalink)
              pretty good
               
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                jman

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                Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 5:43 AM (permalink)
                I suppose you posted this for the purpose of soliciting opinions.  I agree with davebugg.  While humor has it's place in the promotion of a business, I draw the line against anything that doesn't pass my granddaughter/mother test.  If it's something I wouldn't want my 12 year-old granddaughter to wear or it would embarrass  my Mother, I don't think it's appropriate for promoting a business.

                I guess it depends on the image you want to promote.  Like I said, humor is good, but you should consider how all of your prospective customers will view it.  If you had a tweener or a young teenage daughter, would you want her to wear one of these tee shirts?  Would you want your wife to wear it in public?  I think these are the types of questions you need to ask.

                I'm sure you can say, "hey it's just a fun way to promote my hot dog business", but keep in mind that it's not only important that your product tastes good, it's also important that you use good taste in promoting your business.

                If your intent is to appeal only to a certain segment of the marketplace, go ahead and promote your business using this type of thing.  I'm sure that there are lots of teenagers and young adults who will get a kick out of it.  Just be sure you understand who your target market is.  If you displayed this shirt, would I come by and get a dog from you?  If I'm by myself, yeah, I would.  If I had my grandkids in tow, not a chance.

                If your other fourteen designs are similar to this, I would suspect that some event organizers might even have a problem with them if you plan to sell them.

                Call me an old fuddy-duddy if you must.  I guess that's what I am when it comes to promotional concepts.


                <message edited by jman on Thu, 06/4/09 5:45 AM>
                 
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                  BigSlicks

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                  Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 6:33 AM (permalink)
                  I really dont understand what you think the message I am trting to get out. I am not supporting a porn company. Its a cartoon of a ladie in a bikini with a hot dog.  There is no nudity well you know what I mean. So lets say want to go to  Joes Crab shack do you not take your kids or grand kids in there becouse of the message. "my wife gave me crabs" and so on and so on. I have 1 teenage 15yrs old and a 19yr old and I have seen much worse things on the kids bodies then this. I am pushing a name out there. And if it works great. I am not selling at my stands just online and word of mouth.
                   
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                    jman

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                    Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 7:21 AM (permalink)
                    BigSlicks


                    I really dont understand what you think the message I am trting to get out. I am not supporting a porn company. Its a cartoon of a ladie in a bikini with a hot dog.  There is no nudity well you know what I mean. So lets say want to go to  Joes Crab shack do you not take your kids or grand kids in there becouse of the message. "my wife gave me crabs" and so on and so on. I have 1 teenage 15yrs old and a 19yr old and I have seen much worse things on the kids bodies then this. I am pushing a name out there. And if it works great. I am not selling at my stands just online and word of mouth.


                    I think it's good that you don't plan to sell them at your stand.  What if a couple of people asked you?  Would you change your mind?

                    I didn't accuse you of selling porn.  It's a matter of image.  What image to you want to project?

                    As an aside, I've noticed that you have a great deal of enthusiasm in promoting your business.  That's good.  Do you have a firm promotion budget?  Many new business owners get caught up in spending and then defend it by saying, "Oh, I can write it off as a business expense".  That's true, but it only works if you're actually making a profit, and then you only gain the amount of taxes you would normally pay on that business expense.  For instance, if you spent $10.00 on a legitimate business expense, and your tax rate is 30%, your gain is $3.00, but you still spent $7.00 out of your own pocket.  If that $7.00 produces more than $7.00 in net profit, then you're ahead.  If not, it's money ineffectively spent.

                    The best advice that I ever got, and have subsequently given, is that the easiest money to make is the money you don't spend.  Of course, you may need to spend money on advertising and promotion, such as these shirts, but be aware that if the promotion doesn't produce adequate sales to make you money after the expense of the promotion, that's money down the hole.

                    Have you figured out how much inventory of fifteen different designs and at least 3-4 different sizes you'll need to carry to support your online sales effort, or will you go out to Walmart, pick you up a shirt and then come back to the house and drag out your ironing board when you get an order?

                    In the title of this thread, you use the word decal.  I assume that your shirts will be made using a transfer, is that right?  Will you let your online customer know that the shirt has a transfer and is not screen printed?  Will you be prepared to hear from unhappy customers when after a few washings, the transfer is peeling off?

                    Like I said, enthusiasm is important and so is promotion.  Just keep in mind that you're in the hot dog business and not the tee shirt business.  Or, are you?
                     
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                      That'sMyDawg

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                      Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 8:22 AM (permalink)
                      BigSlicks


                      Well guys I have my first shirt drawing complete and you my friends are the first to see it complete this is 1 of 15 that are in the works.




                      While I think the artwork is great and whoever did it has some skillz for sure I think the first draft is just a little to "in your face" with the ohh so nice looking female :-p and I don't think it will go over well at a family type setting. Now if you serve 99% men or some very high number I think it will work just fine as we have different standards then the fems ha ha.

                      I think the Hooters and others are a little more subtle with is and on a different level. I don't think that design would work there either.

                      I say tweak it a little and you got a hit. Either way I'm sure it will get attention and that may be great for your name anyway.


                      <message edited by That'sMyDawg on Thu, 06/4/09 8:36 AM>
                       
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                        myterry2

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                        Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 8:33 AM (permalink)
                        I'd be running it by the local officials before spending to much money..a little offensive in the current climate of the USA.
                         
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                          divefl

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                          Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 8:46 AM (permalink)
                          "Now if you serve 99% men or some very high number I think it will work just fine as we have different standards then the fems ha ha. "

                          You really think there will be a long line of men spending money to wear a shirt that says they just ate a huge weiner? Did you go to grade school? The double entendre is on that level so let's just admit it in grade school it was an insult if you said it about a guy. Not that there is anything wrong with it. And honestly, save the "what? what? It's just talking about hot dogs." There is a reason you didn't choose to write "I just ate a huge hot dog." I think you could use the same photo and get a better slogan that is still off color, but would appeal to more people. 
                           
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                            dholk

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                            Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 8:56 AM (permalink)
                            It would be much better if it were more subtle. It's too direct, hint at it a little bit instead of just coming out and saying it.

                            I can't believe I'll use Hooter's as an example of subtlety, but here goes:

                            For example, one of the Hooter's T-Shirts said "More than a Mouthful". This is much better than if they had a T-Shirt that said "Our Waitresses have Massive Racks"

                            See what I am saying?

                            Good luck with your project.
                             
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                              BigSlicks

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                              Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 8:59 AM (permalink)
                              Wow I think I have walked into a episode of the cleavers. Well golly wally the beaver went to the pool and saw a girl in a swimming suit. LoL

                              Its just a chick with a swimming suit. lol its cool I dont expect to win any awards. I knew that when I displayed this I would get alot of mixed remarks. But its ok.

                              ---Myterry2 how is this offensive in the current climate? I really dont understand that?

                              I am always listening to all your advise but looking at this post its like I have walked into a episode of Leave it to Beaver. "Well Ward I am a little concerned the Beaver was at the pool and was looking a girls in there Swimming Suites.
                               
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                                Greymo

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                                Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 9:07 AM (permalink)
                                You asked for opinions and people are giving you their opinions.  Personally, I cannot see anyone buying  this shirt except a teen-age boy who thought it was was going to be fun to wear for the attention he would get from other boys in his age group.  (The girls would walk away}

                                If I saw someone wearing one, I would roll my eyes.  Sorry, but you did ask!
                                 
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                                  jman

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                                  Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 9:26 AM (permalink)
                                  Is that just simply mustard being applied liberally to the big weiner, or is it intended to stimulate the imagination?
                                   
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                                    waydeg

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                                    Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 9:36 AM (permalink)
                                    davebugg


                                    I don't care for it. I don't like blatant double-entendre stuff on clothing, seems too cheap and crass. Objectively, the art work is very good.


                                    It doesn't bother me one way or the other but I agree with the blatant over use of the double-entendre.  aka Dad jokes. I wouldn't wear it (I'm 51) and I wouldn't let my 15 yo son wear it. My 27 yo nephew would own 6 of them and wear it daily!

                                    It really boils down to what type of image you want to portray your business as. If you're doing a 9pm-2am stand in the hip side of town and serving the post bar crowd, it may be a hit. On the other hand, if you're on the street in a downtown business district, maybe not so much. It's your call and your business.  

                                    Maybe more importantly, what does it provide in return? How does it move your business forward? Every dollar has to be spent wisely with a return in mind. Could you use the money it would take to produce these shirts and use it somewhere else that would generate more income or a better return on your hard earned dollars?

                                    Just my .02



                                     
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                                      BigSlicks

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                                      Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 9:38 AM (permalink)
                                      LOL is just mustard on a big slick dog. Whatever thanks for all of your opinions.
                                       
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                                        PopsDogHouse

                                        Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 9:41 AM (permalink)
                                        In what venue are you currently selling dogs?
                                         
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                                          BigSlicks

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                                          Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 9:51 AM (permalink)
                                          Right now bars, special events, Car dealerships.
                                           
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                                            That'sMyDawg

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                                            Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 9:52 AM (permalink)
                                            divefl

                                            You really think there will be a long line of men spending money to wear a shirt that says they just ate a huge weiner? Did you go to grade school? The double entendre is on that level so let's just admit it in grade school it was an insult if you said it about a guy. Not that there is anything wrong with it. And honestly, save the "what? what? It's just talking about hot dogs." There is a reason you didn't choose to write "I just ate a huge hot dog." I think you could use the same photo and get a better slogan that is still off color, but would appeal to more people.[quote/]





                                            Answer---

                                            I meant that if he had a 99% men customer base then they would probably like to look at them NOT wear them. I think its just a matter of time before they are offered in the field or a kid says lets check out his website from my cell or game system while we wait inline for our meal mom or grandma, and that's when (some) will have a problem.

                                            lol there are some segments of the male population that would wear that shirt proudly ha ha. He may be able to start a following. What part of the country is it again? lol

                                            Again I say tweak it a little. Maybe test the waters as is and review feedback from customers.



                                            <message edited by That'sMyDawg on Thu, 06/4/09 12:34 PM>
                                             
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                                              surrycounty

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                                              Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 9:58 AM (permalink)
                                              I have to agree with jman. I find it both inappropriate and offensive. If I were a parent, no kid of mine would ever be allowed to wear something like that, and I wouldn't buy from a vendor wearing one.
                                               
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                                                divefl

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                                                Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 10:07 AM (permalink)
                                                I agree with the tweak. Again, What teenage boy, if that's what you are going for, wants to wear a shirt in front of people that essentially says "I like C@(&." Come one. That's not being puritanical, that's being realistic. Raunchy tshirt is one thing...maybe "Girls like my Big Slick with mustard" or "Ladies take my Big Slick with relish" or whatever, but think of who would buy it and what they would not like the tshirt to say about them. It's about making money, right? Those are free, but if used I want free dogs for life.
                                                <message edited by divefl on Thu, 06/4/09 10:08 AM>
                                                 
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                                                  PopsDogHouse

                                                  Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 10:18 AM (permalink)
                                                  BigSlicks,

                                                  I'm surprised that you're surprised. Obviously there are people with differing morals and values across the country, and right here on the forum.  While you never explicitly asked for an opinion on your design, and you have already made up your mind, you had to know you were going to get several opinions.  You also had to know that your design would be controversial.  If you don't want the opinions or controversy, don't post the other 14 designs.
                                                   
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                                                    BigSlicks

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                                                    Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 10:38 AM (permalink)
                                                    divefl


                                                    I agree with the tweak. Again, What teenage boy, if that's what you are going for, wants to wear a shirt in front of people that essentially says "I like C@(&." Come one. That's not being puritanical, that's being realistic. Raunchy tshirt is one thing...maybe "Girls like my Big Slick with mustard" or "Ladies take my Big Slick with relish" or whatever, but think of who would buy it and what they would not like the tshirt to say about them. It's about making money, right? Those are free, but if used I want free dogs for life.



                                                    That's no different then what I have on there on there now.

                                                    Thatsmydog--- who knows maybe I will start a triend. There is more to follow. I am going to chance it here. I am a gambling man. Shoot I was a gambling man starting the Hot Dog business. Well so far all my buddies have already purchased one. So who knows. I know there just supporting me but it will get out there. And the more shirts I sell, the more money to the PKD foundation. And I am from Arizona.

                                                    You folks are a selcet few but I am not sure if you really look at what guys and teenagers are wearing now a days.


                                                    Well discuss this. Industries is a multi million dollar company. There is not a day that goes by I don't see someone wearing a Skin clothing. And allot of there products has the sexy shadow of a girl. What are they selling besides the shirt some kind of sex appeal.




                                                    For folks like us who know and who have been there, what do you think younger crowds think when they go inside the resturant. I know when I took my kids they laughed all threw dinner.



                                                    I could go on and on... I just see the Issue. Its alright if you dont agree with me. If I must I will learn the hard way.

                                                     
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                                                      BigSlicks

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                                                      Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 10:40 AM (permalink)
                                                      PopsDogHouse


                                                      BigSlicks,

                                                      I'm surprised that you're surprised. Obviously there are people with differing morals and values across the country, and right here on the forum.  While you never explicitly asked for an opinion on your design, and you have already made up your mind, you had to know you were going to get several opinions.  You also had to know that your design would be controversial.  If you don't want the opinions or controversy, don't post the other 14 designs.


                                                      Strong work and great Idea.
                                                       
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                                                        BigSlicks

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                                                        Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 10:42 AM (permalink)
                                                        waydeg


                                                        davebugg


                                                        I don't care for it. I don't like blatant double-entendre stuff on clothing, seems too cheap and crass. Objectively, the art work is very good.


                                                        It doesn't bother me one way or the other but I agree with the blatant over use of the double-entendre.  aka Dad jokes. I wouldn't wear it (I'm 51) and I wouldn't let my 15 yo son wear it. My 27 yo nephew would own 6 of them and wear it daily!

                                                        It really boils down to what type of image you want to portray your business as. If you're doing a 9pm-2am stand in the hip side of town and serving the post bar crowd, it may be a hit. On the other hand, if you're on the street in a downtown business district, maybe not so much. It's your call and your business.  

                                                        Maybe more importantly, what does it provide in return? How does it move your business forward? Every dollar has to be spent wisely with a return in mind. Could you use the money it would take to produce these shirts and use it somewhere else that would generate more income or a better return on your hard earned dollars?

                                                        Just my .02




                                                        LOL my dad is 51 and I know what he wears, I would'nt expect you to understand he too is like rolling his eyes. But thanks
                                                         
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                                                          BillyB

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                                                          Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 10:48 AM (permalink)
                                                          And we wonder why schools dont want hot dog carts near by. This is setting the clean cut hot dog business guy back to the Carnie days. This is the kind of tee shirt I used to see on the Farris Wheel operator as he looked up the girls skirts. There are ways of doing things in good taste, this just isn't one of them................Bill
                                                           
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                                                            waydeg

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                                                            Re:First shirt decal... Thu, 06/4/09 11:09 AM (permalink)
                                                            Big Slicks replies:
                                                            LOL my dad is 51 and I know what he wears, I would'nt expect you to understand he too is like rolling his eyes. But thanks



                                                            Okay, now you've pissed me off. 
                                                            You don't know me from Adam. 
                                                            Don't compare me to your father.
                                                            You assume too much. Age is not a determining factor of morality, experience or apparently, good taste. Us "old guys" roll our eyes at this type of attitude due in large part because we've already been there, done that and know the results.    You cannot compare this illustration and innuendo to Hooters. Hooters corporate would kick this to the curb in an instant. 
                                                            And - simply because other businesses do it doesn't make it right or smart.

                                                            If you honestly believe people will perceive this as just "a lady eating a Big Slicks hot dog" you're more naive that any of the Cleavers you berate. 

                                                            Given your age, I wouldn't expect YOU to understand.





                                                             


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