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Food Safety Enhancement Act Thu, 06/4/09 7:56 AM (permalink)
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Anticipated food safety bill raises industry concerns By Paul   Frumkin

WASHINGTON (June  3, 2009) A major foodservice industry group has voiced concerns about an anticipated federal measure that seeks to overhaul the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and address problems with the nation’s food supply.
The House Energy and Commerce Committee last week issued a draft of the Food Safety Enhancement Act of 2009, which was designed to respond to a series of recent outbreaks, involving tainted peppers, salmonella in peanut products and E. coli in spinach.

The bill, whose official introduction is imminent, is co-sponsored by committee chair Henry Waxman, D-Calif., and chair emeritus John Dingell, D-Mich., and would give the FDA more enforcement power to investigate food producers, and track and recall unsafe food products.

“There are a lot of things that are good in the bill, but we have concerns about its impact on restaurateurs,” said Scott Vinson, vice president of the National Council of Chain Restaurants in Washington, D.C.
Vinson said the NCCR is worried that under the Waxman-Dingell measure restaurateurs would have to register with the FDA and pay a fee of $1,000 annually.

“The bill states that every facility that manufactures, processes, packs or holds food for consumption in the U.S. or for export would have to register,” he said. “It’s unclear to us whether that would include restaurants, which hold food for consumption.”

A Senate bill, the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009, which earlier had been praised by the National Restaurant Association, would not require restaurants to register with the FDA. The NRA did not respond to requests for comment about the Waxman-Dingell bill by press time. 

The NCCR also is concerned about the Waxman-Dingell bill’s traceability requirement, which requires food suppliers to keep tabs on where they received shipments from and where they would be sent to. Under the current law, restaurants and farms have been exempted, but the new House measure would remove the exemption.

Vinson also said the measure potentially could give the FDA the authority to inspect restaurants. The bill requires inspections of high-risk facilities every six to 18 months and all facilities every four years. “One of our concerns is this focus on inspections, which is probably misdirected,” Vinson said. “It’s fine for high-risk facilities, but it doesn’t make sense for lower risk facilities. It’s very expensive; each inspection costs from $11,000 to $14,000.”

He said another concern stems from the high civil fines of up to $100,000 that could be levied under the Waxman-Dingell bill. “It remains unclear whether restaurants would be subject to these fines that high,” he said.

Among other things, the Food Safety Enhancement Act would give the FDA the authority to force companies to recall potentially contaminated food and arm it with a wider range of criminal and civil penalties to punish food suppliers who knowingly ship tainted foods.

While the Center for Science in the Public Interest in Washington, D.C., is asking Congress to strengthen the Waxman-Dingell bill, the group nevertheless is urging its passage, calling it “the best hope for making America’s food safer.”
In addition to praising the Durbin-sponsored Senate bill, the NRA also has voiced support for the Safe Food Enforcement, Assessment, Standards and Targeting, or FEAST, Act. Sponsored by Reps. Jim Costa, D-Calif., and Adam Putnam, R-Fla., the bill was introduced into the House earlier this year.

The NCCR’s Vinson indicated that lawmakers are hoping to fast track a food safety reform measure because they are expecting the debate over health care reform to demand much of their attention during the summer.
Contact Paul Frumkin at pfrumkin@nrn.com.
 
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    Dr of BBQ

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    Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Thu, 06/4/09 11:49 PM (permalink)
    Do any of you realize this bill could shut you down? Have you bothered to read this?
     
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      Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 1:06 AM (permalink)
      The Food Safety Enhancement Act fee does not apply to restaurants or other retail food establishments.  The wording is not ambiguous.
       
      The draft cited above is an amendment to the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.  The new fee applies to those entities that are required to register under the existing FDC Act.  Those facilities are defined as follows (boldface mine):
       
      The term `facility' includes any factory, warehouse, or establishment (including a factory, warehouse, or establishment of an importer) that manufactures, processes, packs, or holds food. Such term does not include farms; restaurants; other retail food establishments; nonprofit food establishments in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer; or fishing vessels ...
       
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        Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 5:10 AM (permalink)
        I fully agree with the exception of restaraunts  from the bill.  On the other hand farms open up a whole new can of worms.  After all the scares weve had this past year  over contaminated produce it would seem tha accountibilty and aa method of keeping track of shipments would be more important.  One large proeducer could ship all accross the country and it would be important to be able to back check.  The same should apply to animal products.
        As far as a food service extablishment you dela with PAS allowing instant accountibilty.  How many times have we seen an outbreak of FBI and from  being able to put the the data together from treatments at drs and ERs they are able to pinpoint the outbreak.  Not  so easy to do when the same big market might have foodstuffs from all accross the country and even the world!
         
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          Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 5:31 AM (permalink)
          Hello All,
          Anything that Waxman promotes makes me cringe.
          Nevertheless, it would be good to see the whole bill that
          is being offered, and also discover why it is being presented.
          I admit my ignorance on this matter...what is the bill really
          addressing? 
          Has the food industry addressed the problem on their own
          without needing federal oversite? 
          Again, I am ignorant on this.
          Take Care,
          Fieldthistle
           
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            Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 8:38 AM (permalink)
            Fieldthistle
            Has the food industry addressed the problem on their own
            without needing federal oversite? 

            No.

             
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              Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 8:58 AM (permalink)
              Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


              The Food Safety Enhancement Act fee does not apply to restaurants or other retail food establishments.  The wording is not ambiguous.
               
              The draft cited above is an amendment to the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.  The new fee applies to those entities that are required to register under the existing FDC Act.  Those facilities are defined as follows (boldface mine):
               
              The term `facility' includes any factory, warehouse, or establishment (including a factory, warehouse, or establishment of an importer) that manufactures, processes, packs, or holds food. Such term does not include farms; restaurants; other retail food establishments; nonprofit food establishments in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer; or fishing vessels ...

               
              The article above says the Waxman-Dingell bill is UNCLEAR as to whether or not it would include restaurants.  My guess is that with a $1000 fee per year per restaurant, they will at least make a run at including restaurants.


               
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                Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 9:08 AM (permalink)
                PopsDogHouse


                Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                The Food Safety Enhancement Act fee does not apply to restaurants or other retail food establishments.  The wording is not ambiguous.
                 
                The draft cited above is an amendment to the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.  The new fee applies to those entities that are required to register under the existing FDC Act.  Those facilities are defined as follows (boldface mine):
                 
                The term `facility' includes any factory, warehouse, or establishment (including a factory, warehouse, or establishment of an importer) that manufactures, processes, packs, or holds food. Such term does not include farms; restaurants; other retail food establishments; nonprofit food establishments in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer; or fishing vessels ...

                 
                The article above says the Waxman-Dingell bill is UNCLEAR as to whether or not it would include restaurants.  My guess is that with a $1000 fee per year per restaurant, they will at least make a run at including restaurants.


                The article above is wrong.  There is nothing unclear about it.  You can read the actual text of the bills online.  Restaurants are explicitly excluded.
                 
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                  Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 9:39 AM (permalink)
                  Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                  PopsDogHouse


                  Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                  The Food Safety Enhancement Act fee does not apply to restaurants or other retail food establishments.  The wording is not ambiguous.
                   
                  The draft cited above is an amendment to the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.  The new fee applies to those entities that are required to register under the existing FDC Act.  Those facilities are defined as follows (boldface mine):
                   
                  The term `facility' includes any factory, warehouse, or establishment (including a factory, warehouse, or establishment of an importer) that manufactures, processes, packs, or holds food. Such term does not include farms; restaurants; other retail food establishments; nonprofit food establishments in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer; or fishing vessels ...

                   
                  The article above says the Waxman-Dingell bill is UNCLEAR as to whether or not it would include restaurants.  My guess is that with a $1000 fee per year per restaurant, they will at least make a run at including restaurants.


                  The article above is wrong.  There is nothing unclear about it.  You can read the actual text of the bills online.  Restaurants are explicitly excluded.


                  Not so fast.  Don't be so quick to say the article is wrong.  If you read the Proposed amendment, it EXPLICITLY gives the Secretary the authority to modify the types of food facilities that are in each category.  Because a restaurant holds food for consumption, it is entirely feasible that at some point they could target restaurants. 
                   
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                    Dr of BBQ

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                    Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 9:45 AM (permalink)
                    PopsDogHouse


                    Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                    The Food Safety Enhancement Act fee does not apply to restaurants or other retail food establishments.  The wording is not ambiguous.
                     
                    The draft cited above is an amendment to the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.  The new fee applies to those entities that are required to register under the existing FDC Act.  Those facilities are defined as follows (boldface mine):
                     
                    The term `facility' includes any factory, warehouse, or establishment (including a factory, warehouse, or establishment of an importer) that manufactures, processes, packs, or holds food. Such term does not include farms; restaurants; other retail food establishments; nonprofit food establishments in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer; or fishing vessels ...

                     
                    The article above says the Waxman-Dingell bill is UNCLEAR as to whether or not it would include restaurants.  My guess is that with a $1000 fee per year per restaurant, they will at least make a run at including restaurants.


                    I dealt with the Feds for 12 years while in the explosive business and I promise they will read into any law exactly what they want. I also know (15 years) the sponsor and I promise you they can and may do last minute or last second changes that may alter the entire context of any legislation, rule or law. I think it's scary. BBQ because it’s cooked at very low temps is by any states health department considered a hazardous food. Of course I also think we will soon see a fed law that will require air (smoke) cleaners for commercial smokers, from the EPA.

                     
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                      Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 10:15 AM (permalink)
                      It's not yet law, so changes can still be made to the existing draft before it becomes law.  Anything can be made part of any law.  Still, there's no reason to fear that this one will include retail food service establishments.  It has nothing to do with restaurants.  That's not the problem that's being addressed here.
                       
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                        Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 10:20 AM (permalink)
                        BruceBilmes and SueBoyle,

                        Just out of curiousity, do you work in the food service industry?
                         
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                          Bruce Bilmes and Susan Boyle

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                          Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 10:21 AM (permalink)
                          PopsDogHouse


                          BruceBilmes and SueBoyle,

                          Just out of curiousity, do you work in the food service industry?


                          No.
                           
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                            PopsDogHouse

                            Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 10:31 AM (permalink)
                            Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                            PopsDogHouse


                            BruceBilmes and SueBoyle,

                            Just out of curiosity, do you work in the food service industry?


                            No.


                            Ok.  That's what I thought.  While I don't believe that many would argue against the need for a safe food supply, both domestic and international, it is perfectly reasonable for food service professionals to have legitimate questions regarding this proposed amendment and how far reaching it will become.  So, in summary, the article above is not inaccurate, alarmist in nature, or extreme.  The proposed amendment by Waman and Dingell absolutely grants the Secretary the authority to include restaurants under the umbrella of regulated facilities.  I'm not saying that it will absolutely happen, but IMO, our government is not afraid to expand it's power and influence.
                             
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                              Bruce Bilmes and Susan Boyle

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                              Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 10:47 AM (permalink)
                              Inaccurate, alarmist, and extreme - you hit the nail on the head - that is exactly what this article is.  I would add irresponsible.

                              "The proposed amendment by Waman and Dingell absolutely grants the Secretary the authority to include restaurants under the umbrella of regulated facilities."

                              You are wrong.  It does not.
                               
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                                Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 10:57 AM (permalink)
                                Ok Bruce.  I am not going to have any more conversation with you on the subject.  You have nothing to do with the industry.  You jump into any conversation that involves the government and then you cry foul.  You run to another mod to get the thread deleted.  This is detrimental to the Rest. Pro Forum.  Many political discussions are VERY relevent to this industry and THIS forum. This thread is one of them.   I let them continue as long as it doesn't deteriorate into name calling and a Democrat vs. Republican fight. 

                                And here is the language from the amendment that gives the Secretary the power I mentioned above:

                                (5) The Secretary—

                                11 ‘‘(A) may, by guidance, modify the types of

                                12 food facilities within a category under paragraph

                                13 (4);
                                <message edited by PopsDogHouse on Fri, 06/5/09 10:58 AM>
                                 
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                                  Bruce Bilmes and Susan Boyle

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                                  Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 11:30 AM (permalink)
                                  "You jump into any conversation that involves the government and then you cry foul.  You run to another mod to get the thread deleted."
                                  That is a lie.  I have never spoken with any moderator about any thread on this forum.

                                  "Many political discussions are VERY relevent to this industry"
                                  Possibly, but whether that is true or not, it is a violation of Roadfood.com rules.

                                  "

                                  (5) The Secretary—

                                  11 ‘‘(A) may, by guidance, modify the types of

                                  12 food facilities within a category under paragraph

                                  13 (4);"
                                  Under paragraph 4!  Read it!  Paragraph 4 sets up categories of risk, within the definition of a covered facility, that determines how often inspections are done.  The wording you cite permits the agency to decide what types of facilities fall into which category - which facilities are more or less risky.  It does not alter the definition of a facility as defined in the act.  And a facility has been defined to exclude restaurants.
                                   
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                                    Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 12:30 PM (permalink)
                                    Is that what happened to the sheep burp thread. LOL
                                    They should have just locked the thread IMHO. No need to delete all the discussion and opinions.

                                    As far as this Waxoff-Dingbat bill goes, even if it doesn't specifically call out restaurants and vending carts, it could always be changed once enacted. Remember when we were told that they couldn't ticket you for you choosing not to wear a seat belt as a "primary" offense? Remember when they told you that the NJ state  sales tax was "temporary"? Or that the tolls on the NJ Parkway and NJ Turnpike were temporary?

                                    Bruce - you seem to love big government and trust them with every aspect of your life.

                                    And as stated before (before it was deleted), I agree that government has important functions in everyday life, but more and more, they are getting into things they have no business getting into.

                                    The food supply here in the USA is the safest in the world. One can argue that the recent E-coli outbreaks were due to the failure of government to properly inspect food processing plants. Instead of blaming themselves, they give themselves more power and suck more money out of our wallets in a typical knee jerk reaction. All in the name of public safety.

                                     
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                                      Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 12:34 PM (permalink)
                                      Might I suggest that whether you think this is a good idea or a terrible idea, you communicate your views to your representatives in Congress?
                                       
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                                        Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 1:05 PM (permalink)
                                        TrentonDog
                                        Is that what happened to the sheep burp thread. LOL
                                        They should have just locked the thread IMHO. No need to delete all the discussion and opinions.

                                        Just an FYI - I had nothing to do with the deletion of that thread (contrary to PopsDogHouse's implicaton).  I assumed PopsDogHouse deleted it because it violated the discussion rules of Roadfood.com.  Which it did.
                                        TrentonDog
                                        As far as this Waxoff-Dingbat bill goes, even if it doesn't specifically call out restaurants and vending carts, it could always be changed once enacted.

                                        But you can say that about any and all laws!  Let's not have a law that charges car drivers a registration fee because they can change it some day to include mothers pushing baby carriages.  Let's not have a law that licenses doctors because they can change it someday to license store clerks.  The whole argument is ridiculous.
                                        TrentonDog
                                        Bruce - you seem to love big government and trust them with every aspect of your life.

                                        I disagree with the premise of that statement.  We are not talking about big government.  We are talking about government.  The normal functioning of government.  And I trust government to look after its citizens more than I trust corporate America to operate on the honor system.
                                        TrentonDog
                                        One can argue that the recent E-coli outbreaks were due to the failure of government to properly inspect food processing plants.

                                        And just how is that better inspection supposed to be financed?
                                        <message edited by Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle on Fri, 06/5/09 1:08 PM>
                                         
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                                          Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 2:27 PM (permalink)
                                          Oh My How much uninspected pork is going to be  added to this. and try and buy pork fat at the store. Chitterlings.
                                          <message edited by Curbside Grill on Fri, 06/5/09 2:28 PM>
                                           
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                                            Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 2:41 PM (permalink)
                                            TrentonDog


                                            As far as this Waxoff-Dingbat bill goes, even if it doesn't specifically call out restaurants and vending carts, it could always be changed once enacted.

                                             
                                            IMO, the language in the Waxman/Dingell amendment will provide them the latitude they need to include restaurants.  Category 3 is for facilities that hold food for consumption.  While restaurants are excluded in the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, the language in the amendment reads that the Secretary can modify (change) the TYPES of facilities within a category.  It doesn't say that new facilities cannot be added.  It says they can change the types in each category.   I don't believe it would be a stretch at all for them to include restaurants.  In fact, when the government needs more money (like they do now), you can bet they will do it. 
                                             
                                            They continue to take power.  Rarely do they give it back.


                                             
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                                              Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 3:32 PM (permalink)
                                              Opinions are opinions, and facts are facts.  People can choose to have any opinions they want, but the facts are clear: the amendment has absolutely nothing to do with restaurants.  The language is clear, the law is clear, the intent is clear.

                                              Some people build personal fallout shelters, some set up military camps in the woods for the coming revolution, some see conspiracies at every turn, others know that the government is out to get them.  To each his own.
                                               
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                                                PopsDogHouse

                                                Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 4:00 PM (permalink)
                                                ...and sheep get slaughtered.
                                                 
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                                                  Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 4:01 PM (permalink)
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                                                  And just how is that better inspection supposed to be financed?

                                                   
                                                  It is already financed, they need to do a better job with what they have.
                                                  Why is it that when FDA inspections fail, or our public schools suck, the answer is always "more money". In the private sector, if you fail, you're fired. In government, you fail, and you get more funding.
                                                   
                                                  If you've read some of my posts, you know that I am starting a mobile vending business because my wife lost her job several months ago, and we need to make up for some of that income loss. Since I cannot simply raise taxes to make up the difference, I am going into business. Me and my family have had to scale back on expenses to keep our heads above water, if I was like government, I would write myself a check for $100,000 - cash it and worry about the implications later.
                                                   
                                                  Ok - you're a lawyer - No?
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                  Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                                                  Opinions are opinions, and facts are facts. 



                                                  Yes, and the fact is that everything I said about seat belt laws, tolls, and taxes are true. Just because this particular piece of legislation doesn't specifically include restaurants and mobile vendors, it is a good bet that it will expand.
                                                   
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                                                    Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 4:34 PM (permalink)
                                                    TrentonDog

                                                    Why is it that when FDA inspections fail, or our public schools suck, the answer is always "more money". In the private sector, if you fail, you're fired. In government, you fail, and you get more funding

                                                    Government is asked to do the tasks that people want done, but don't want to pay for.  They often have to tackle tasks that no business would do, or do well, because there's no profit in doing them, or doing them well.
                                                     
                                                    The measurement of success in government is how well the thing is done.  The measurement of success in business is how much profit did they earn.  If business success were measured by how well they do things, same as government is measured, then business would look much less successful.
                                                     
                                                    <message edited by Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle on Fri, 06/5/09 4:35 PM>
                                                     
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                                                      Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 4:57 PM (permalink)
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                                                      Government is asked to do the tasks that people want done, but don't want to pay for.  They often have to tackle tasks that no business would do, or do well, because there's no profit in doing them, or doing them well.
                                                       
                                                      The measurement of success in government is how well the thing is done.  The measurement of success in business is how much profit did they earn.  If business success were measured by how well they do things, same as government is measured, then business would look much less successful

                                                      Tasks that people want done, but don't want to pay for? That is your opinion, not fact. Most folks I know are fine with paying taxes 
                                                       
                                                      Government jobs are "not for profit", but the services they provide should be cost effective. Privatization of some government functions has shown to  lower taxpayer costs, increase the level of service, and result in a profitable business.
                                                       
                                                       
                                                      Cost per pupil in your Trenton school district is about 15.5K a year. The Trenton school system sucks.(my opinion)  Right next to Trenton is Lawrenceville, who pays around $1,000 less per pupil, and the schools are ranked a lot higher than Trenton. (fact)
                                                       
                                                      You dodged the lawyer question, so I am assuming you're a lawyer. C'mon, admit it, there is no shame in being a lawyer. :)

                                                      <message edited by TrentonDog on Fri, 06/5/09 4:59 PM>
                                                       
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                                                        Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 5:08 PM (permalink)
                                                        TrentonDog

                                                        You dodged the lawyer question, so I am assuming you're a lawyer. C'mon, admit it, there is no shame in being a lawyer. :)

                                                        I dodged nothing.  It's just that I don't like to hit too many points in a single post.  It dilutes the impact.  That's the second time you made an incorrect assumption about me (I am not a government employee either).  But it should really be irrelevant.
                                                         

                                                         
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                                                          Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 5:29 PM (permalink)
                                                          Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                                                          TrentonDog

                                                          You dodged the lawyer question, so I am assuming you're a lawyer. C'mon, admit it, there is no shame in being a lawyer. :)

                                                          I dodged nothing.  It's just that I don't like to hit too many points in a single post.  It dilutes the impact.  That's the second time you made an incorrect assumption about me (I am not a government employee either).  But it should really be irrelevant.
                                                           

                                                          With my luck, you work for the Trenton public schools.
                                                          But that would be a governent job, wouldn't it?
                                                           

                                                           
                                                           
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                                                            Re:Food Safety Enhancement Act Fri, 06/5/09 5:55 PM (permalink)
                                                            TrentonDog


                                                            Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle
                                                            And just how is that better inspection supposed to be financed?

                                                             
                                                            It is already financed, they need to do a better job with what they have.
                                                            Why is it that when FDA inspections fail, or our public schools suck, the answer is always "more money". In the private sector, if you fail, you're fired. In government, you fail, and you get more funding.
                                                             
                                                            If you've read some of my posts, you know that I am starting a mobile vending business because my wife lost her job several months ago, and we need to make up for some of that income loss. Since I cannot simply raise taxes to make up the difference, I am going into business. Me and my family have had to scale back on expenses to keep our heads above water, if I was like government, I would write myself a check for $100,000 - cash it and worry about the implications later.
                                                             
                                                            Ok - you're a lawyer - No?
                                                             
                                                             
                                                             
                                                             
                                                             
                                                             
                                                            Bruce Bilmes and Sue Boyle


                                                            Opinions are opinions, and facts are facts. 



                                                            Yes, and the fact is that everything I said about seat belt laws, tolls, and taxes are true. Just because this particular piece of legislation doesn't specifically include restaurants and mobile vendors, it is a good bet that it will expand.

                                                            Congratulations TrentonDog.  You are head and shoulders above the millions who would simply stick their hand out and ask the government to take care of them if they were dealt the same hand.  Instead, you took personal responsibility for your situation.  There are also millions who always talk of having their own business but will never have the guts to do it.  I have had my own company on and off for about 30 years.  You will never look back.  To someone like yourself who has ambition, drive, and vision, your short term hardship will turn into a blessing.  Others would be woe is me and blame corporate America for their troubles.
                                                             
                                                            Best wishes for success!


                                                             
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