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2011/01/13 18:39:04 (permalink)

Food Truck Propane tank(s)

I have been looking at pictures of food trucks online and I do not see any propane tanks mounted. When I look at some concession trailers, I see the tanks mounted on the outter rear.
 
I want to mount my 100lb propane tank underneath my truck (1993 Chevrolet P30). Is this a standard practice or are the tanks usually mounted inside?
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/01/13 18:49:04 (permalink)
    You will typically see them enclosed, but not under the truck. You will need to make sure they are in a safety cage to prevent damage while driving. I just saw an image where the tanks were held by bungee chords. I laughed because the chords became a tripping hazard if anyone walked out of the rear door.
     
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/01/13 19:05:14 (permalink)
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    You will typically see them enclosed, but not under the truck. You will need to make sure they are in a safety cage to prevent damage while driving. I just saw an image where the tanks were held by bungee chords. I laughed because the chords became a tripping hazard if anyone walked out of the rear door.

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    Thanks for the feedback. I kind of assumed that it would be a safety hazard to bolt underneath the truck even if in a steel box but I was trying to avoid affixing the tank to the back of the truck.
     
    I will order some diamond plate and try to build a box for the tank.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/01/13 19:26:09 (permalink)
    Most catering trucks have saddle mount tanks on the frame rails, located to the rear of the driver.
    I worked for a movie caterer for six years, we had five trucks all with two 35-50 gal tanks. I put over 100,000 miles on that truck, driving all over the country, in some very rough off road terrain at times, in places that something like this should never go, and even having to be pulled through some places, never had a problem with the tanks, nor did any of the other trucks.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/01/14 12:08:04 (permalink)
    You have a horizontal mount 100 lb LP tank????? You cannot operate a vertical tank in the horizontal position.
     
    Please read this whole site!
    http://www.propane101.com/index.htm
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/01/14 14:26:29 (permalink)
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    You have a horizontal mount 100 lb LP tank????? You cannot operate a vertical tank in the horizontal position.

    Please read this whole site!


     
    This is good to know. Thanks for the link.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/17 19:17:31 (permalink)
    After looking at some of the food trucks out there, it seems that there are some that mount the horizontal tanks underneath the truck. I know we spoke about this not being a good idea but it is just as dangerous mounting on the back. You could be rear ended and the tank could be hit. I am going to check the local code but I am going to go the route of mounting underneath the truck and just installing a protective shield around it.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/17 19:43:20 (permalink)
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/17 20:53:13 (permalink)
    I have a problem with the guy talking about the tanks... I think he got his gallons and pounds mixed up. These should be  30 or 40 POUND tanks. My RVs permanent horizontal mount 40 POUND tank holds 9 GALLONS... It's a huge difference.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/18 00:46:25 (permalink)


    He said. 100lb, 30 gallons ....same tanks I use which will hold 25+ gallons ...weigh about 175 lbs full.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/18 23:10:23 (permalink)
    Where did you get a 100 lb horizontal mount tank?  I want names, addresses and /or website! My skoolie buds would die for Horizontal mount LP vapour tanks to hang under their skoolies... so would I.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/19 11:45:52 (permalink)
    ebay all day long
    guy on there selling the manchester tanks...... usually has at least one or two 24 gallon tanks....and at really decent prices too !
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/19 11:45:55 (permalink)
    here is one right now....... 28 gallon, never been used...... 150 bucks
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Auto-propane-tank-propane-injection-RV-camper-tank-/280724867903?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415c818b3f#ht_500wt_1202
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/19 11:57:13 (permalink)
    heres the manchester tank guy....... pretty good selection...... and a lot of different sizes.....
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNUSED-MANCHESTER-ENDFILL-20-GAL-DOT-LP-TANK-PROPANE-/270799009472?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0ce0f6c0#ht_3475wt_1185
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/19 16:39:21 (permalink)
    I was under the impression that vehicles that run on LP use the liquid type tank (like used on forklifts) rather than the vapour tanks (like used on a BBQ grill and the horizontal tank used to feed the LP appliances on my RV). These tanks are not interchangeable.
    http://www.mantank.com/pdf/DOTCatalog.pdf
     
    http://www.mantank.com/products/rvproducts.htm these are the HORIZONTAL Vapour tanks that you can operate LP appliances off of.
     
     
    Edited to include links to Manchester tanks.  And to add that I have contacted Manchester tank to ask about using the larger tanks that you guys are proposing.
    post edited by lornaschinske - 2011/08/19 17:00:25
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/19 22:57:07 (permalink)
    This guy is too small to operate a full day on huh?
     
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaym...mp;hash=item56458e7e89
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/19 23:52:48 (permalink)
    2.4 gal is pretty small. But it depends on what your trying to run on propane. And you don't want to have to go fill it up every day, or every other day.
     
    Which brings to mind a question, do the horizontal tanks need to have a propane truck come on site and fill them? I'm not sure who does that in our area.
     
    How do they know how much they put in a tank from a propane truck?
     
    Some propane dealers here in town weigh smaller tanks and others don't, and those that do it by weight charge by the lb....I think. 
     
    I try and stick with those that do weigh tanks. I wish we had a really good propane person here on RF.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/20 02:16:28 (permalink)
    Out here, some places use different methods.
    1 place weighs them. Another measures the gallons and a 3rd guy I know opens the relief valve with a long screwdriver and waits for the gas to start coming out of the relief valve before shutting it off!
    Wow! This is my 5600th post!!
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/20 16:16:57 (permalink)
    I can drive my RV to a propane dealer down the street from us. Or I can haul one of my 20# BBQ tanks into the same place and pay the same price per gallon to get it filled. For us, it's easier to use the BBQ tanks. If the propane fill station is closed (closes on Fri around 4PM and opens back up on Monday around 8 or 9AM) we can do a "tank swap". I'm not really a huge fan of the permanent mount tanks on an RV (or anything else for that matter) . It is awkward getting into many propane fill stations (other vehicles like to park in the way). In the case of an RV, when you full-time, you aren't normally driving ll the time (parked more than rolling). If you get a bad tank of LP (it does happen) it is better having a small 4.5 gallon tank that you can replace a lot easier than having a 9 gallon tank of bad gas that you are stuck with.
     
    The Class C has two 20# tanks ( plus a permanent 40#/9 gallon tank that we have only filled once), The skoolie conversion has two 20# tanks and the food cart has one 20# tank. If the cart tank is running low, we pull one of the RV tanks and pop it on the cart and get the cart tank filled when it's convenient. To be honest, the 20# BBQ tanks are more convenient to use and cheaper to buy. Two 20# tanks hold the same amount as a single 40# tank... just add an auto change over valve. For us that would be overkill on the food cart since we only use LP for the water heater and the little single burner hob.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/20 20:31:49 (permalink)
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    Out here, some places use different methods.
    1 place weighs them. Another measures the gallons and a 3rd guy I know opens the relief valve with a long screwdriver and waits for the gas to start coming out of the relief valve before shutting it off!
    Wow! This is my 5600th post!!

    yea here  they do the same, i like the ones that fill by actual gallons delivered, as most times i bring mine in before they run out, i do have an auto change over valve too but sometimes i have trouble with the gas being picked up, i think one of the tanks may have a weak emergency shut off valve in it.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/22 19:26:30 (permalink)
    Finally got info back from Manchester tank guy. He had problems getting online here. So here is the info he sent me....
     

    Lorna,
     
    I finally got into the forum. Don’t know why, but I tried one more time and it worked.  The tank on ebay is a VAPOR service tank, and would be suitable for running appliances on vapor, if properly mounted, as it is for an RV. There are many horizontal, permanently mounted tanks for motor homes that are vapor service.  The primary tank we offer for catering trucks has the outlet on the very top and is vapor service.
     
    Most gasoline conversions for vehicles to run on propane use a liquid service tank, but most of the diesel injections systems use a vapor tank.  It is, as you said, very important to check the propane service that a tank provides and not connect vapor appliances to a liquid valve.  A vertical cylinder should never be used horizontally as you also noted.  Thank you for trying to get the right info out there!  I could not post a reply on the forum. Please feel free to direct people to our website for info. It is far better to take a few minutes to get things absolutely right than to waste time and money doing it wrong and possibly creating a dangerous situation.
     
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/22 21:20:06 (permalink)
    unfortunately he answered nothing. Gosh I wish he had gotten on RF.
    Congratulations on your 5600th post! You must be older than dirt. LOL
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/22 22:53:31 (permalink)
    Dr of BBQ

    unfortunately he answered nothing. Gosh I wish he had gotten on RF...

    It would be nice if there were a few real experts on LP, hood vents and a few other things on here. So many questions could really be answered rather than "guessed" at. After all, what works for one, doesn't necessarily work for another. Let's face it. We can only give advise based on what we have tried and "gotten away with" in regards to the HD in whatever state we are in.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/23 00:27:25 (permalink)
    Lorna,
    I don't think,"gotten away with" is a good choice of words. "Been successful with" is much better. I don't try and fight the HD or anyone else, but if a new or old rule is wrong I go to the guy in charge and discuss it. And that's what anyone else in this business should do. And sometimes it takes an attorney to straighten it all out. But if an official thinks your trying to get away with breaking the rules they will hound you to death, and that could cost you a lot of money in the end.
     
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    unfortunately he answered nothing. Gosh I wish he had gotten on RF.
    Congratulations on your 5600th post! You must be older than dirt. LOL

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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/23 18:25:44 (permalink)
    Dr of BBQ

    Lorna,
    I don't think,"gotten away with" is a good choice of words. "Been successful with" is much better.

    Sorry, poor choice of words. With the way various HD's interpret the SAME rules it's just a tad frustrating and at times it's more like "Hey I got away with this this time, next time it may not be allowed". I wish the HD were better trained for mobile applications and all the HD's in the same state could get together and agree.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/25 20:32:06 (permalink)
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/31 19:40:16 (permalink)
    Remember that when talking about a 100# propane tank that this is the NET weight...propane weight a bit more than 4 pounds per gallon...
     
    In terms of convenience, propane tanks get heavier as we AGE and get older... so project what it will be like wrassling propane tanks around when you're an old geezer...
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/31 20:16:39 (permalink)
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    Propane not only gets heavier with age, but when I had my Catering/Que biz so did the firewood.
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    Re:Food Truck Propane tank(s) 2011/08/31 20:17:38 (permalink)
    BackRhodes when, at what age does someone become an old geezer?
    This thread has gone a long way away from propane tanks to when you're an old geezer. 
     
    Come to think of it after this last weekend (we vended BBQ & Blues here in Springfield, an killed them)  I felt like an old geezer. But then tonight I was talking to an employee about the weekend and comparing notes about what he did on the Sunday after working with me Friday and Saturday at the event. He said he slept all day Sunday and felt really tired even on Monday. I loved hearing that, because I hung around the house all day Sunday and Monday doing very little, other than a nap both days. So after working from 9:00 AM Friday until 12:30 midnight. and then from 7:30 AM Saturday until 4:00 AM Sunday I felt a little like an old geezer. But then to hear that John (the employee) was beat on Sunday and Monday  I felt pretty good after all he is half my age. Very cool.
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