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Ashphalt

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Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 11:29 AM (permalink)
Okay, if you won't sell them, will you put 'em up for adoption?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/16/national/main1720259.shtml

Whole Foods Ends Live Lobster Sales

AUSTIN, Texas, June 16, 2006
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(AP) Customers craving fresh crustaceans will have to look beyond Whole Foods Market Inc. after the natural-foods grocery chain decided Thursday to stop selling live lobsters and crabs on the grounds that it's inhumane.

The Texas-based grocer spent seven months studying the sale of live lobsters from boat to supermarket aisle, trying to determine whether the creatures suffer along the way.

In some stores, they experimented with "lobster condos," filling tanks with stacks of large pipes the critters can crawl inside. And they moved the tanks behind seafood counters and away from children's tapping fingers.

Ultimately, Whole Foods management decided to immediately stop selling live lobsters and soft-shell crabs, saying they could not ensure the creatures are treated with respect and compassion.

The decision means Maine's most famous crustacean won't be for sale when the supermarket opens a 45,350-square-foot store in Maine's largest city. The store in Portland, Maine, is currently under construction.

"We place as much emphasis on the importance of humane treatment and quality of life for all animals as we do on the expectations for quality and flavor," John Mackey, Whole Foods' co-founder and chief executive, said in a statement.

Animal rights activists were thrilled with the decision, not just because of the way lobsters are harvested, shipped and stored but because of the fate that awaits many of them — being dropped alive into a pot of boiling water.

"The ways that lobsters are treated would warrant felony cruelty to animals charges if they were dogs or cats," said Bruce Friedrich of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

In making its decision, Whole Foods pointed to a November report from the European Food Safety Authority Animal Health and Welfare panel that it said concluded all decapod crustaceans, including lobsters and crabs, appear to have some degree of awareness, feel pain and can learn.

But other scientists and seafood industry officials said Thursday that lobsters have such primitive insect-like nervous systems that they don't even have brains and can't experience pain the way animals and humans do.

For example, lobsters can shed a claw that's stuck between two rocks and move on like nothing happened, said Diane Cowan, a marine biologist who studies lobster behavior in Maine.

"They certainly have a nervous system and respond to external stimuli, but whether you can call it pain I don't know," Cowan said.

About 183 million pounds of lobster are caught each year in the United States and Canada, and about 25 percent of that is sold live, according to the Lobster Institute at the University of Maine.

"People who want lobster will have lobster," said Bill Adler, executive director of the Massachusetts Lobstermen's Association. "If this particular chain does not want to serve it, people will go elsewhere."

From now on, Whole Foods will only sell frozen raw and cooked lobster products at its more than 180 stores in the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom, said Margaret Wittenberg, vice president of quality standards. And the chain will only deal with suppliers meeting their standards for humane treatment, handling and processing.

Whole Foods leaders will reconsider the decision if they see evidence that it's possible to ensure lobsters and crabs are treated humanely throughout the supply chain, she said.



 
#1
    lleechef

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    RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 12:27 PM (permalink)
    Oh good God. I'll show you how to treat a lobster or crab humanely.......get a big pot of boiling water, cook the dang thing, serve up with lots of butter. If there are any leftovers, now you have lobster or crab rolls.

    That's cool that they quoted Bill Adler who is a good friend of mine. Last time I saw him was at the MA Lobstermen's annual get-together in Falmouth, MA about 5 years ago.

    PETA not too long ago said that anyone who catches a salmon is INHUMANE. Ok, put me on THAT list, I don't care!
     
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      V960

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      RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 1:06 PM (permalink)
      I just hope they also humanely treat the cockroaches in the store house. A lunch table w/ a little mineral water cooler. Some organic snacks and a bit of music.

      I am still amazed at the bunny huggers.
       
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        Michael Hoffman

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        RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 1:08 PM (permalink)
        Personally, I prefer to shove a knife into one just behind the eyes and then get it ready for stuffing. But the pot works for me, too.
         
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          Scorereader

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          RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 1:53 PM (permalink)
          What a bunch of maroons! (the whole foods people)

          I don't go to Whole Foods much anyway, since I can get specialty cheeses, meats, snack and such at Trader Joe's for a "whole" lot less money. They're only hurting themselves.
           
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            IansMom

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            RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 2:12 PM (permalink)
            quote:
            Originally posted by Scorereader

            What a bunch of maroons! (the whole foods people)

            I don't go to Whole Foods much anyway, since I can get specialty cheeses, meats, snack and such at Trader Joe's for a "whole" lot less money. They're only hurting themselves.


            that's why my friends call it Whole Paycheck .. too $ for my blood
             
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              caratzas

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              RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 2:20 PM (permalink)
              quote:
              Originally posted by Scorereader

              They're only hurting themselves.


              They're a big company -- I guarantee you they modeled this move out the wazoo before determining what to do.

              No doubt they figured this will benefit them in PR more than it'll hurt them in lost sales -- heck, it's even possible they weren't making enough on crustacean sales and this gives them the opportunity to get out while getting a little positive press.

              In any event, they're probably not too concerned about how the non-"bunny hugger" crowd sees this move. They're hurting all the way to the bank.

               
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                MilwFoodlovers

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                RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 2:28 PM (permalink)
                Supply and demand when working properly will mean lower lobster prices. Hoo-ray!
                 
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                  V960

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                  RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 2:49 PM (permalink)
                  In honor of this wonderful statement of support to sea bugs...I asked wifie to stop and pick up a couple for dinner. I will let them express their concerns about traveling through my stomach, we may chant, and then a tablespoon (too much?) of crab boil oil, a few tablespoons of pickling spices (secret, don't let it out), a head of split garlic and a generous amount of dry white wine into a pot of boiling water. Crusty french bread, white wine and maybe just a bit of cognac after dinner.

                  Anyone remember the movie w/ Tom Hanks and Darryl Hannah...Mermaid? Anyway they had a scene in a restaurant where this drop dead beautiful blond (Darryl Hannah) is eating a lobster shell and all. Picks it up and eats it like a ear of corn. Classic moment.
                   
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                    Michael Hoffman

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                    RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 3:39 PM (permalink)
                    quote:
                    Originally posted by V960

                    In honor of this wonderful statement of support to sea bugs...I asked wifie to stop and pick up a couple for dinner. I will let them express their concerns about traveling through my stomach, we may chant, and then a tablespoon (too much?) of crab boil oil, a few tablespoons of pickling spices (secret, don't let it out), a head of split garlic and a generous amount of dry white wine into a pot of boiling water. Crusty french bread, white wine and maybe just a bit of cognac after dinner.

                    Anyone remember the movie w/ Tom Hanks and Darryl Hannah...Mermaid? Anyway they had a scene in a restaurant where this drop dead beautiful blond (Darryl Hannah) is eating a lobster shell and all. Picks it up and eats it like a ear of corn. Classic moment.

                    Interestingly, she's a vegetarian. I remember reading that they had to make that lobster out of some sort of vegetable stuff.
                     
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                      Scorereader

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                      RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 4:13 PM (permalink)
                      Here's funny: I grew up Catholic in Upstate, NY. I grew up with the assumption that a vegitarian was one who didn't eat meat. I never considered any fish or crustacian as "meat," since "meatless Fridays" meant "Fish Fry!!!"

                      The first party I hosted, I made a vegitarian dish for my vegitarian friends: It was a caserole, with the base ingredients of noodles, crab, lobster, scallops, and cheese sauce (like alfredo.)
                      OOPS!!!

                      Thank god I had lots of dips and plenty of truely meatless side dishes!



                       
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                        lleechef

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                        RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 6:49 PM (permalink)
                        I actually did find in one of my lobster crates an albino (or maybe it was Albonian) which I turned over to the New England Aquarium. All the others got eaten. Love those sea bugs. I've grilled them, stuffed them, baked them, boiled them, flamed them with cognac and champagne, turned them into bisque, put the meat on a salad, in a sandwich....the incredible edible lobster, I love them!
                         
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                          zataar

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                          RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 10:06 PM (permalink)
                          I have no problem catching, killing and cooking something I'm going to eat. Where do people think that chicken fried steak comes from? Everything protein you eat had a face and/or feet. It's as simple as that. I've never understood people who have no problem eating chicken, but could never do soft shell crabs or lobster. Not a lot of difference. The difference I suppose is how involved you are in that protein's demise.
                           
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                            Michael Hoffman

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                            RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 10:08 PM (permalink)
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by zataar

                            I have no problem catching, killing and cooking something I'm going to eat. Where do people think that chicken fried steak comes from? Everything protein you eat had a face and/or feet. It's as simple as that. I've never understood people who have no problem eating chicken, but could never do soft shell crabs or lobster. Not a lot of difference. The difference I suppose is how involved you are in that protein's demise.

                            Ah,but you see, many people believe that those things come from plastic-wrapped foam trays that grow in meat cases.
                             
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                              zataar

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                              RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 10:16 PM (permalink)
                              How true! But I suppose I should clarify, by protein I mean animal protein. I do not want the tofu police coming after me. Tofu has not a face, nor feet.
                               
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                                Pat T Hat

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                                RE: Free the lobsters! Fri, 06/16/06 10:48 PM (permalink)
                                I know I have some degree of awareness. I have a fairly high threshold of pain but feel it none the less. My capability of learning is getting more debatable the older I get. However I've proven I can learn a few new tricks if the reward is pleasing enough. Well call me butter and squeeze lemon in my eye, my question is this... Where are these kindly wonderful folks when it's my a** in hot water! Guess it's who ya know .
                                 
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                                  MikeS.

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                                  RE: Free the lobsters! Sat, 06/17/06 12:07 AM (permalink)
                                  WF is out of Texas? Sounds more like a Calif. thing to me. Or maybe NYC???

                                  MikeS.
                                   
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                                    sizz

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                                    RE: Free the lobsters! Sat, 06/17/06 1:26 AM (permalink)
                                    here's a couple of two + pound'ers I set free just last summer .. set them free right into some boiling water.................. then I was free to consume them right there on our deck.
                                    "New Harbor Maine"

                                     
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                                      caratzas

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                                      RE: Free the lobsters! Sat, 06/17/06 1:47 AM (permalink)
                                      quote:
                                      Originally posted by MikeSh

                                      WF is out of Texas? Sounds more like a Calif. thing to me. Or maybe NYC???


                                      For me, Cali, yes. NYC, not so much. NYers seem to be more omnivorous than folks on the west coast or in college towns -- seriously, vegetarians and natural food types are much rarer here than in, say, California. There are 3 WFs in NYC to serve a population of 7 or so million. This is a joke compared to their density in CA. Also the economics of selling food in NYC are tricky thanks to high real estate costs and the fact that most of the produce comes from 3000 miles away.

                                      WF being from Texas does make sense when you see the first store was in Austin -- it's not your typical Lone Star State burgh. I could see the chain having a harder time getting going if they'd tried it in a place like Dallas first.
                                       
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                                        Pat T Hat

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                                        RE: Free the lobsters! Sat, 06/17/06 9:14 AM (permalink)
                                        Here in the great bluegrass state of Kentucky, our official dictionary defines vegetarian: Someone who tends to the needs of sick and ailing vegetables while eating a ham sandwich or fried chicken leg. Someone who is licensed to practice vegetable medicine or DV8M.
                                         
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                                          V960

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                                          RE: Free the lobsters! Sat, 06/17/06 9:20 AM (permalink)
                                          It is funny how the styrofoam tray meat thing so true. My wife won't eat the chickens we raise. Pork and beef from our farm she will eat but only if we don't mention where it came from or how cute they were.

                                          She also has a slight problem eating the eggs from our hens. The last farm animal I would become attached to would be a chicken. I just came back from the barn where my dear wife was walking a bantam hen and her five little chicks. My wife walks the little group twice a day. She carries an old broom stick to make sure the other chickens don't bother the chicks.
                                           
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                                            roossy90

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                                            RE: Free the lobsters! Sun, 06/18/06 2:48 AM (permalink)
                                            Gawd.. All I can say is, "Whole foods, pass them on to me and I will have no problem throwing them into a pot of boiling water and stuffing my face with them"..
                                            Then you will have no guilty feelings at 'tall...
                                            Pass the butter please!
                                             
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                                              lleechef

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                                              RE: Free the lobsters! Sun, 06/18/06 4:40 AM (permalink)
                                              Woah fpczyz! Nice lobster pictures! And that place in Maine looks lovely! Lucky you.
                                               
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                                                Bob in Cary

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                                                RE: Free the lobsters! Sun, 06/18/06 12:30 PM (permalink)
                                                I keep reading the subject line as "Free lobsters!" and I'm wondering where I have to go to get them.
                                                 
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                                                  EdSails

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                                                  RE: Free the lobsters! Sun, 06/18/06 7:40 PM (permalink)
                                                  I freed 2 of them last night. In fact, I liked them so much, I treated them to some wine and then a nice hot jacuzzi. They are free no..........in lobster heaven!
                                                   
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                                                    Michael Hoffman

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                                                    RE: Free the lobsters! Sun, 06/18/06 7:58 PM (permalink)
                                                    You are a good, kind man, Mr. Sails. Not everyone would concern themselves so much with those terribly homely things as to help make sure they were able to get to lobster heaven
                                                     
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                                                      Pat T Hat

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                                                      RE: Free the lobsters! Sun, 06/18/06 9:13 PM (permalink)
                                                      Am I the only one who wants to run around the house screaming "There's a Lobster Loose...There's a Lobster Loose...Quick Get Some Butter!!!"?

                                                      Ok, could be.
                                                       
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                                                        Bushie

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                                                        RE: Free the lobsters! Sun, 06/18/06 9:43 PM (permalink)
                                                        There has been a lot of discussion about this locally (Austin area), and there have been some interesting comments made about this subject.

                                                        I'm tending toward thinking that this isn't Whole Foods initiative. The PETA protesters(described by one local radio host as "women who resemble Woody Allen") have targeted Whole Foods so that it will generate national publicity. I think John Mackey may have consulted with the board and decided, "It's expensive to offer, we don't make much money, and it's not worth the bad press."

                                                        Just an educated thought...
                                                         
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                                                          Jimeats

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                                                          RE: Free the lobsters! Mon, 06/19/06 5:30 AM (permalink)
                                                          What gets me on this issue is that they are still going to carry the processed product. If they are so righteous why would they sell somethig from a commercial producer, do they honestly think that they are treated any better before they meet their demise. My guess is that they were priced too high and not moveing the product. They were not smart enough to cook off the sleapers and sell the cooked product in the fresh deli case or freeze the meat. I haven't been to one of their stores, I wonder if they sell Veal? Chow Jim
                                                           
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                                                            RE: Free the lobsters! Mon, 06/19/06 7:14 AM (permalink)
                                                            quote:
                                                            Originally posted by Bushie

                                                            There has been a lot of discussion about this locally (Austin area), and there have been some interesting comments made about this subject.

                                                            I'm tending toward thinking that this isn't Whole Foods initiative. The PETA protesters (described by one local radio host as "women who resemble Woody Allen") have targeted Whole Foods so that it will generate national publicity. I think John Mackey may have consulted with the board and decided, "It's expensive to offer, we don't make much money, and it's not worth the bad press."

                                                            Just an educated thought...

                                                            described by one local radio host as "women who resemble Woody Allen")[/ Great quote Bushie.
                                                            I hope you're not taking us to any PETA protesting places on the next BBQ Meat and Eat in Feb. '07
                                                             
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