Hardee’s, Carl’s Jr. choose cage-free suppliers

http://www.wattpoultry.com/PoultryUSA/News.aspx?id=17540&ItemId=17540

Well, that's the end of Hardee's for me.

I don't understand. The only reason I say that is there are so many reasons that could be chosen as a result of these actions, not to patronize them any longer, such as this stance causing an increase in cost to the consumer. But overall, isn't it nicer for the chickens' and the pigs' quality of short life that they are given? And, really, I'm in no way trying to be argumentative. I only respect your opinion and would like to hear more, if you will, kind sir.

Or, were you kidding?

I'm with you Matilda! I have had chickens, pigs, and cows as pets. They are all way smarter, and have more feelings, than most folks think. I am all for treating them as good as possible. The calf my Papaw picked for the freezer each year always got special food and attention. Don't get me wrong, I'm no vegaterian.
Joe

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Originally posted by matilda

I don't understand. The only reason I say that is there are so many reasons that could be chosen as a result of these actions, not to patronize them any longer, such as this stance causing an increase in cost to the consumer. But overall, isn't it nicer for the chickens' and the pigs' quality of short life that they are given? And, really, I'm in no way trying to be argumentative. I only respect your opinion and would like to hear more, if you will, kind sir.

They've caved in to a gang of terrorism supporters-- that's why. When you do what PETA wants you're helping them stay in business. When you help PETA stay in business you allow them to continue to support at least two organizations that have been declared by the United States Department of Justice to be domestic terrorists -- the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front.

I Know Why The Caged Bird Lays Eggs.

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by matilda

I don't understand. The only reason I say that is there are so many reasons that could be chosen as a result of these actions, not to patronize them any longer, such as this stance causing an increase in cost to the consumer. But overall, isn't it nicer for the chickens' and the pigs' quality of short life that they are given? And, really, I'm in no way trying to be argumentative. I only respect your opinion and would like to hear more, if you will, kind sir.

They've caved in to a gang of terrorism supporters-- that's why. When you do what PETA wants you're helping them stay in business. When you help PETA stay in business you allow them to continue to support at least two organizations that have been declared by the United States Department of Justice to be domestic terrorists -- the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front.

I Know Why The Caged Bird Lays Eggs.

Your statement above is ridiculous.

I'm seriously very interested to learn and am about to start researching this. Do you have links you could post to help me gain knowledge of ALF and ELF?

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Originally posted by Adjudicator

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by matilda

I don't understand. The only reason I say that is there are so many reasons that could be chosen as a result of these actions, not to patronize them any longer, such as this stance causing an increase in cost to the consumer. But overall, isn't it nicer for the chickens' and the pigs' quality of short life that they are given? And, really, I'm in no way trying to be argumentative. I only respect your opinion and would like to hear more, if you will, kind sir.

They've caved in to a gang of terrorism supporters-- that's why. When you do what PETA wants you're helping them stay in business. When you help PETA stay in business you allow them to continue to support at least two organizations that have been declared by the United States Department of Justice to be domestic terrorists -- the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front.

I Know Why The Caged Bird Lays Eggs.

Your statement above is ridiculous.

And just exactly what is ridiculous about it. PETA has paid legal fees for members of both terrorist groups who have been caught, charged and convicted of their crimes. PETA also has been involved in killing animals "rescued"from shelters. They bully and they lie, cheat and steal.

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Originally posted by matilda

I'm seriously very interested to learn and am about to start researching this. Do you have links you could post to help me gain knowledge of ALF and ELF?

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/

http://www.earthliberationfront.com/elf_news.htm

You might want to check out their links to trerrorist activities.

Thank you, I most certainly will.

According to published reports, CKE has agreed to:

• Immediately begin purchasing 15 percent of its pork from suppliers that do not use metal "gestation crates" to confine sows and increase that to 25 percent by 2009.

• Purchase 2 percent of its eggs from suppliers whose hens are not kept in wire cages by July 2008.


So how am I assured that I am going to get an egg sandwich from the 2 perxent of eggs laid by hens not kept in wire cages?

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Originally posted by Greymo


So how am I assured that I am going to get an egg sandwich from the 3 perxent of eggs laid by hens not kept in wire cages?

You're not.

forget the whole PETA terrorism matter. the point is simple - a major corporation is embracing and supporting providing food which is healthier for us all in the long run. heck, i'd say they should be moving more aggressively into supporting organics and not just cage-free/free range. I support the move.

So, what is hardee's doing now, trying to get as FEW customers as ARBYS? Hell, close all Hardee's now and get it out of the way, Bring Back Burger Chef Inc.!!!

I will say I tend to lean more toward gently and naturally raised products to sustain myself. And will support those who share said values. However, I can't discount accusations that kudos have been unworthily received. We do after all live in a world full of podunk. Forewarned is forearmed. I will add, though, I haven't yet pulled out my trusty tin hat.

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Originally posted by Adjudicator
Your statement above is ridiculous.

I have to agree.

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Originally posted by tkitna

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Originally posted by Adjudicator
Your statement above is ridiculous.

I have to agree.

Hey, if you want to support a group that supports domestic terrorism, and animal rights over human rights, while at the same time murdering animals it's promises it is rescuing, have at it.

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Originally posted by pdxyyz
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Who says these animals are any healthier?????

They caved!!

So did Burger King.

Folks that are not interested in understanding/researching why an animal that is allowed to roam would have better health and therefore meat should become interested. The research is out there. Just as the facts may be there about PETA. Again, I think that an effort on the part of a corporation to steer away from shameful mass production of food (as if chickens were model t's) is sensible. I fail to see collusion (PETA connection) or conspiracy (racket to raise prices) in the matter. Eat well live well. It's good for humans and cluckers!

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Originally posted by Sheetzaholic

Folks that are not interested in understanding/researching why an animal that is allowed to roam would have better health and therefore meat should become interested. The research is out there. Just as the facts may be there about PETA. Again, I think that an effort on the part of a corporation to steer away from shameful mass production of food (as if chickens were model t's) is sensible. I fail to see collusion (PETA connection) or conspiracy (racket to raise prices) in the matter. Eat well live well. It's good for humans and cluckers!

Please do not mistakenly perceive my statement pertaining to an increase in cost as a belief in some sort of conspiracy to make more money. What I meant was far from that. In order to follow these production methods, costs do rise. Period. There was no hint or allusion on my part to suggest a conspiracy for this company to make more money by raising prices. That's just silly. Financially the costs of implementing these methods will be passed on to the consumer. The consumer will then have to decide if they wish to support said company's ideals by paying higher prices for the product they demand. This in turn supports the movement. Those who are in favor of such measures on the part of the corporation in question will undoubtedly still buy, if not purchase more. Those who only care about the increased cost of an egg biscuit with no regard to how the animal came to be in their mouths will no longer patronize the establishment. And this in no way reflects on Michael's ideas and reasons for boycott. His issues bring forth completely different sets of principle's.

Add bacon to that egg biscuit, please. (see above)

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Originally posted by Sheetzaholic

I fail to see collusion (PETA connection) or conspiracy (racket to raise prices) in the matter.

You fail to see the connection between PETA's advertisements and boycotts and the caving in by the companies against whom the advertisements and boycotts are directed? Interesting.

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Originally posted by matilda
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The consumer will then have to decide if they wish to support said company's ideals by paying higher prices for the product they demand.


I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you, but a company's ideals have absolutely nothing to do with it. Companies that agree to play this game do so out of fear of economic consequences brought about by the gullible portion of the public and true believers in PETA's advertsing campaigns and boycott threats.

Well, Michael, I'm glad you bring out that point. I want to let you know that I am taking very seriously your pronouncements. You are generally a very even-keeled person and for you to be so vehement on a subject grabs my attention, ergo, I will research your stance. At the same time, you must respect my need for absolute understanding of such a volatile position. I would like to ask you, since you've mentioned it, how does the "gullible portion of the public" bring about "fear of economic consequences" in large corporations? Their hamburgers are already priced out of the market.

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Originally posted by matilda

Well, Michael, I'm glad you bring out that point. I want to let you know that I am taking very seriously your pronouncements. You are generally a very even-keeled person and for you to be so vehement on a subject grabs my attention, ergo, I will research your stance. At the same time, you must respect my need for absolute understanding of such a volatile position. I would like to ask you, since you've mentioned it, how does the "gullible portion of the public" bring about "fear of economic consequences" in large corporations? Their hamburgers are already priced out of the market.

Those members of the public that pay heed to PETA's ridiculous pronouncements amount to a considerable number of customers. If they participate in the boycotts threatened by PETA then there's a problem with the bottom line.

You guys have WAY too much time on your hands.

Yeah, maybe they should follow your sterling time management model by starting threads about convenience store chains and fast food breakfast.....

Okay, I think I see your point. In this case, though, things seem to be reversed. The numbers should come to the good of the corporation. But, in the end, PETA has won the battle. Am I getting close?

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Originally posted by matilda

Okay, I think I see your point. In this case, though, things seem to be reversed. The numbers should come to the good of the corporation. But, in the end, PETA has won the battle. Am I getting close?

Caving to PETA actually means an initial loss to the companies because of the increased costs. Of course, they eventually make it up by boosting prices. PETA doesn't actually win anything, except in the eyes of its contributors, who usually are too clueless to realize they're being taken by a woman named Ingrid Newkirk, the harridan who founded the organization and has made quite a lot of money as a result.