Heinz 57 Recall - heads up...

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

I was under the impression that the sugar beet industry in general lobbied for those tariffs.

The sugar beet industry lobbied for tariffs, and got some. I've read that ADM lobbied for the big ones after they invented CFCS. I'll do some more research, and if I'm wrong, I'll certainly admit it. Back to you later...

First off, I am in no way defending the use of HFCS. My question is more about the difference between "corn syrup" and "high fructose corn syrup". The fact that Karo differentiates between the two on their ingredient statement indicates that these are two different substances.

So what separates them? Chemical makeup? The process used to achieve that chemical makeup? And why is one villified while the other is perceived as being reasonably benign? I'm really interested in finding this out. Anybody out there got the answers?

Buddy

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Originally posted by Bushie

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

I was under the impression that the sugar beet industry in general lobbied for those tariffs.

The sugar beet industry lobbied for tariffs, and got some. I've read that ADM lobbied for the big ones after they invented CFCS. I'll do some more research, and if I'm wrong, I'll certainly admit it. Back to you later...

Oh, I didn't mean to suggest that I thought you were wrong. I was just saying that I thought the sugar beet folks had lobbied, too.

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Originally posted by BuddyRoadhouse

First off, I am in no way defending the use of HFCS. My question is more about the difference between "corn syrup" and "high fructose corn syrup". The fact that Karo differentiates between the two on their ingredient statement indicates that these are two different substances.

So what separates them? Chemical makeup? The process used to achieve that chemical makeup? And why is one villified while the other is perceived as being reasonably benign? I'm really interested in finding this out. Anybody out there got the answers?

Buddy

I think that Poverty Pete may know the answer. I may be wrong, but he knows a lot about those kind of things. Perhaps he'll find this thread...

BuddyRoadhouse
"Goldanged multinational corporations!!! Danged sons of seacooks are buying up everything! Making me nuts. If you can't destroy the competition by cheapening your product and underselling 'em, then just buy the dadgum competitor and cheapen his product too! Jiminy Christmas I can feel the vein my neck throbbing."

Whoa, whoa... watch your language there! There might be children present!

Here's a good "explanation" I found.

http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php/2006/01/24/tariffs_and_subsidies_the_literal_cost_o

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Originally posted by shivashakti

BuddyRoadhouse
"Goldanged multinational corporations!!! Danged sons of seacooks are buying up everything! Making me nuts. If you can't destroy the competition by cheapening your product and underselling 'em, then just buy the dadgum competitor and cheapen his product too! Jiminy Christmas I can feel the vein my neck throbbing."

Whoa, whoa... watch your language there! There might be children present!

Sorry, I got a little excited there. It'll never happen again.

Buddy

Just got off the phone with a Heinz consumer rep. She said new product is on the way to store shelves as fast as possible... hope to have most shelves re-stocked by mid-April.

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Originally posted by Bushie

Here's a good "explanation" I found.

http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php/2006/01/24/tariffs_and_subsidies_the_literal_cost_o

Bushie:

You summed up the "political" side of HFCS quite well. My prior thread was more on the "organic chemistry" side of same. Besides, my monkey is BUSY right now.

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

Here's a place to start finding out about HFCS:

http://www.westonaprice.org/motherlinda/cornsyrup.html

OK, HCFS is now on my list of "officially scary stuff."

Heinz 57:

Puree:
1/4 c raisins
1/4 c water

measure 1/4 c into saucepan

add and whisk thoroughly:

1 1/3 c white vinegar
1 c tomato paste
2/3 c malt vinegar
2/3 c sugar
1/2 c water
1 TB prepared yellow mustard
2 tsp apple juice concentrate
1 1/2 tsp salt
1 tsp veg oil
1 tsp lemon juice
1/2 tsp onion powder
1/4 tsp garlic poweder
1/8 tsp tumeric

heat on med to full boil.
reduce heat and simmer uncovered 1/2 hour or until thick
cool and refrigerate covered for at least 24 hours

Makes 3 cups

Thanks, adbunting. This recipe looks like it's definitely worth a try.

To report back on Buddy's rec of HP Sauce; I got some a few days ago, and it's darn good. As I told him in an email, it actually tastes more like the old 57 than the new 57 does!

I was skeptical of the HP because of the brown color, thinking it would be more like A1, but it's nothing like A1. (Although I like A1.) It has more sweetness than I would prefer, but it's got that underlying savory flavor I've been missing.

The original 57 had a distinct orange color, and that's how my friends and I would identify it when we realized the "good stuff" was going away. When we were in a store, we'd buy up all the orange stuff, staying away from the "improved" sauce that had a very noticeable browner color. The old 57 didn't taste "sweet" to me at all; it was tangy, savory.

Anyway, a hat tip to Buddy for recommending the HP Sauce.

Hello:

My name is Robin Teets and I work in Public Relations at Heinz. I recently heard about this forum from a consumer, who called us regarding our 57 sauce.

Given that you all seem to be 57 Sauce fans, I thought I'd give you a bit of an explanation as to why you haven't seen 57 Sauce recently.

In late February, we put a temporary hold on shipments of 57 Sauce due to a potential quality issue. It's important for you to know that there was never a food safety issue; rather we had a concern that our quality standards were not being met. There was never a product recall on 57 Sauce. The issue has been resolved and we are again producing 57 Sauce.

You should soon be able to find the same product you know and love on restaurant tables and store shelves again.

I hope that helps to clarify. Thanks for your patience and thanks for being 57 Sauce fans.

Robin Teets
H.J. Heinz Company

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Originally posted by Marc4022

We ate at a Logan's Rodehouse the other day, and as per usual I asked for some Heinz 57 (in case the steak was sub-par, which fortunately it was not).

(She told me they had A1 Sauce, but for some reason the taste of dirty, sour dishwater never caught on with me.)

Anyway...waitress tells us there was a recall. They even sent someone to Wal-Mart to buy some more, and sure enough...no Heinz 57 on the shelves. I was in Kroger's today, and sure enough...same thing.

We tried to locate news of this recall on the internet to no avail. We googled keywords like these in several combinations: Heinz 57, food, recall, tainted, Georgia Dept. of Agriculture, mandatory but nothing came up. There's even a website devoted to food recalls, and they had nothing on it either.

Anyone heard of this recall of Heinz 57? This would be a tragic loss to the sub-par steak market, which unfortunately is a significant segment.

Hello:

My name is Robin Teets and I work in Public Relations at Heinz. I recently heard about this forum from a consumer, who called us regarding our 57 sauce.

Given that you all seem to be 57 Sauce fans, I thought I'd give you a bit of an explanation as to why you haven't seen 57 Sauce recently.

In late February, we put a temporary hold on shipments of 57 Sauce due to a potential quality issue. It's important for you to know that there was never a food safety issue; rather we had a concern that our quality standards were not being met. There was never a product recall on 57 Sauce. The issue has been resolved and we are again producing 57 Sauce.

You should soon be able to find the same product you know and love on restaurant tables and store shelves again.

I hope that helps to clarify. Thanks for your patience and thanks for being 57 Sauce fans.

Robin Teets
H.J. Heinz Company

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My name is Robin Teets

Oh it is not, who are you trying to kid?

Buddy

P.S. Was it wrong of me to say that?

B.

I have inquired from H. G. Heinz the validity of the poster. I should
hear back shortly.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Hello Buddy:

I admit you are not the first person to have this reaction. However, I am indeed Robin Teets and I am the Senior Manager of Public Relations for Heinz North America. Please feel free to check our Web site www.heinz.com for confirmation.

Just wanted provide you with accurate information.

Best regards,

Robin

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Originally posted by BuddyRoadhouse

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My name is Robin Teets

Oh it is not, who are you trying to kid?

Buddy

P.S. Was it wrong of me to say that?

B.

Ms. Teets,

You are a good sport and have (by necessity, I'm guessing) a good sense of humor. You're reward for not taking me to task or raking me over the coals, is that I am going to buy a bottle of Heinz 57 sauce. And isn't that why you posted in the first place?

Best regards back to you,

Buddy

I had one of those bottles, and it was fine to me.

Hello --

I'm new here, and just wanted to toss in my two cents.

I found this board during a Google search for 'Heinz 57 recall,' having noticed that the local Kroger's shelves had been devoid of Heinz 57 for a good while. Tonight, I asked the store manager why such was the case.

He told me that there indeed had been a recall -- they had been instructed by Heinz to pull the product, with no explanation given. He was concerned because he himself had just bought and used a bottle, so he specifically asked the distributor for a reason. He was given none.

I admit I find that kind of scary, especially since I too had just bought and used a bottle only a week before.

If the problem was "a minor quality issue," why the vague, evasive answers? If there are no "health issues" involved, why not let folks know what happened?

Shane

Read the reply above and you will know.
I had the bottle and it is fine. I am still using it as a matter of fact.

I read the Heinz representative's reply. It doesn't jibe with what the store manager told me. Kroger was told to pull the product already on the shelves -- there WAS a recall.

I have to wonder -- if the bottles in question are "fine," why would Heinz have sacrificed perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of product?

I'm not trying to stir anything here. :) But since I consumed some of the questionable 57 Sauce, I'd like to know why it was pulled. I don't think that's unreasonable.

Shane

Product Recall Information

HEINZ 57 SAUCE - 3/15/2006

VOLUNTARY PRODUCT WITHDRAWAL ~ HJ Heinz U.S. is voluntarily conducting a product withdrawal of the following product:
Heinz 57 Sauce - Net Weight 10 Oz. - UPC - 13000-00264
The product is being withdrawn from sale due to quality issues which are not considered to be a health hazard.


Consumers with questions may call the Heinz Consumer Hot Line at 800-255-5750

Thank you, Roossy. :)

Yes, I had seen that. It too doesn't fit with what the Heinz rep said on this board, which added to my concern.

Perhaps one day we'll find out what those 'quality issues' were.

Shane