Help in Ohio? 3 compartment sinks!

I am having a dilemma.  And I figured if I could find help anywhere..it would be here.  I am trying to find a cart.  I have found many, many carts on ebay, craigslist - etc that fit my budget.  However - the problem is:  In Ohio I MUST have a 3 compartment sink (4 total).  And 98% of all carts I see out there all have one sink.  So then I thought - ok, just add it on.  Well we do have a cart manufacturer located not too far from here that would do this for me - PROBLEM:  He quoted me $1500 - $2000.00 to add on a 3 compartment sink.  He actually let the cat out of the bag - when he made the statement that I would be better off just buying a brand new one from him for $4000 - $5000.00.  NO THANK YOU!  Highway robbery!  So what are my options?  Can I purchase a 3 compartment sink myself and put it on - can I have someone else do that for me...can someone please give me some insight?

I am in Ohio.  I am looking for a cart (used preferrably) that has a 3 compartment sink (4 total).  Does anyone out there know of one - please let me know!

Oh my MANY OUT THERE. 
OK  what do you need as far as cooking preferences.
That is where I start. Grill, Char-Broiler,Steam only
This is where people need to be. How are you going to cook.  I use a flat top griddle to cook and grill peppers and onions,Dogs,sausages two full steam pans,steam buns, steam chili and beans , kraut on griddle to heat.  

hey curbside - I agree with you...and really cooking methods is not a real issue - but the deal breaker for me is the sink issue!  I HAVE TO HAVE 4 sinks (unfortunately)....so I am looking for a 4 sinker.

Easy , go to fabicator 1/4 pans.
 Simple start.
If needing more can send pics
Complies with all TN  counties
 

Can and will help you. Buy what you need a 3 sinker, easy add,simple. Know it is out of thinking line have posted on another thread. If in your price line go for it, anything can be added. 

ok, you lost me....go to where?  Fabricator?  1/4 pans?  Yes please do send pics.

Cajun man,

Sorry but you really need to know how you are going to cook first, then find a suitable cart with 4 sinks.   It totally depends on what you want to cook as well.   Anything is possible but we need to know more of your intentions, think with your head not your desire first.   We know you are excited but really slow down and don't screw the pooch before you even started. 

Hey,

Go to Topdogcarts.com

I will take delivery of mine in the next few days...............4 sinks

curtis

Ok the cart can be set up any way1-4 sinks. all sinks are 1/4 pans drilled to drain into gray water tank. if having only one and buy 3 more , shop can drill holes and fabricate a skirt around the bottom to make it look as one whole unit. Other cart people chime in, not hard , just there. that is what they do. and charge 385.00 to do.
Had a person in Ohio HD wants refrig., instead of cooler.

This would be my concern in Ohio at this point
http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/Refrigeration-m518672.aspx

 put 4  1/4 pans together.
Visualize that to the pic.'s Just some spot weldind and drilling for drains. Fabricate a skirt around pans to hide the look and done. Plumbing also. If not handy can buy pans,take the cart to welder/fabrication shop. That done, plumbing next.

Here is the link: http://www.kiosksinks.com/products/index.php?cPath=216_340&osCsid=371f380b758f2bb41147c9d41df8b05f

Will these do?  What is the space size to fit?

Kiyi


Cajun man,

Sorry but you really need to know how you are going to cook first, then find a suitable cart with 4 sinks.   It totally depends on what you want to cook as well.   Anything is possible but we need to know more of your intentions, think with your head not your desire first.   We know you are excited but really slow down and don't screw the pooch before you even started. 

WOW - hey Kiyi did you even read the initial post?  I am looking for a Hot Dog Cart - hence I want to cook hot dogs.  Think with my head?  I thought that I was.  If I would be thinking with my desire - I'd be looking for a cart with one sink (if any)....but it's the dang HD that is FORCING me to have an extra 3 sink compartment.  I have done my research - and of the 7 Doggers I talked to - they have assured me that it is just beauracratic BS - because noone uses the 3 sink compartment.  As a matter of fact 5 of the 7 were covered with crap not even accesible.  So to say that I need to think with my head....wow!

Cajun man

I am in Miami county Ohio an I ran in a good  news bad news thing
The good news is there are no push carts in Miami  county.
The bad is that the  county  HD have nothing  on the books for push carts.
So we are writing it as we go along.

So far I have to have  hot an cold water under pressure  a hand  wash sink an three compartment sink.
I will  know Monday  if I can use the  Waco 12 volt compressor  based cooler for hot dogs. Thing are looking good on this.  The up side is I can store cheese  an other high risk condiments  a long with the hot dogs.
  I can use ice for pop no problem .I am building my own cart. An have been asking question an giving suggestion as we go a long . Thank fully the folks at the HD are willing to listen an work with me.

So I would ask you county HD what they would like to see first .
I have mine leaning toward letting me use three NSF steam pans one for  soap water wash one for the sanitizer an on for rinse . I would have a sink spray hose hooked up to hot water to fill them .
 An when done washing up.  I can dump them in the hand wash sink.



  https://americanrvcompany.3dcartstores.com/Waeco-Portables_c_47.html

Kiyi


Cajun man,

Sorry but you really need to know how you are going to cook first, then find a suitable cart with 4 sinks.   It totally depends on what you want to cook as well.   Anything is possible but we need to know more of your intentions, think with your head not your desire first.   We know you are excited but really slow down and don't screw the pooch before you even started. 

I have to say this post is right on target. Sorry it’s none of my business but you are in too much of a rush and in 3 or 4 months you’ll be another “used to be” that wanted to start your own business.

1^st The health department rules are for 3 sinks plus a hand wash sink. You need to use 3 sinks and a hand wash sink. Those are the rules of your local health department and they are for a good reason.

Before you rush out and buy a cart you should have read the FAQ here on roadfood. It’s in place to help new people and Pop’s spent a lot of time on it in order to keep people new to the business from running into problems from the very start.
For instance

“The first thing you MUST do is determine the legal constraints related to your new venture.  This means that you should contact your local Health dept. or Dept. of Environmental Services and learn about the regulations concerning push cart or concession trailer operation in your municipality.  In many areas of the country, food vending from a push cart is strictly prohibited.  These requirements vary by city, county and state.  It is for this reason that members of the Roadfood community cannot answer specific questions about what is required to operate a cart or trailer in your specific community. “
You need a business plan on paper, not in your head. And if you had done the above and then put a business plan together you’d not be running to the forum crying for help.


You need to figure out if you want to sell grilled dogs, water dogs, or some combination of the two.
Again from THE FAQ:

What is the best way to cook hot dogs?

The best way to cook a hot dog is the way your customers like them.  Hot dogs are boiled, simmered, grilled, fried, and steamed.  Boiled hot dogs are very popular in the south.  Fried hot dogs are popular in parts of the northeast.  In Chicago, hot dogs are simmered.  Of course, these are generalizations and you can certainly find all of these methods in use all over the country.  You may want to take your regions preferences into account when choosing your cooking method. 


You need to look at a bunch of carts and pick out what will comply with your local health department rules. The people here on this forum did all these things and more, it takes time and patience.


Start over and read the FAQ, then go talk to your health department again and go slow don’t try and jump in the middle or you won’t last 5 months.

Jack
 

Cajun man,

Think with your head instead of your heart.   God man, if you don't want the help, then don't ask.  Yes I did read your initial post and there are so many ways to prepare a hot dog.

I have 4 sinks on my cart and I can go anywhere in the United States.    But if you answered my question correctly, you might be able to get a health dept waiver so you don't even need sinks.  Like I did:).   OH and Good luck, your attitude is PEACHY to sell hot dogs.

OK will  link to just sinks. In no way do I say good or bad on this cart. But the picture shows sinks seperate. Which might be easier to understand. Most sinks on a dog cart are 1/3-1/4 pans.
Welded together, need a brake to bend the flat metal around the sinks for appearance, clean look.
Then plumbing.
 http://www.vendog.com/sinks.html

ok, for those insistent on how I will cook my dogs.....correct me if I am wrong - but I have only seen three options available on a push cart - and they would be boil/steam, grill on gas grill, or griddle.   Ideally - I would like to have a griddle & eventually probably will - but for budget purposes I will probably start with strictly boiling/steaming.  My question(s) never had anything to do with how I would cook them - I have that already figured out - my question is - how might I add a 3 compartment sink to a cart that only has 1 - inexpensively.  This is NOT a negotiable.  My HD will not grant a waiver or anything.  I either have it or it don't get approved.  I have indeed checked with my local authorities - hence why I am asking this question - Dr. 

If that's the case, post pictures of your cart so that we can help you.

Yes an some measurement an dimensions to go with the pics would be nice.
Kind hard to put spots on a hog when you cant see the  hog.

Hey Cajun, I think what everyone means is, Make sure the Cart fits the needs of your menu. If you want to Flat grill Cajun sausage with sauteed peppers and onions, or do Phily Steak sands..... Everyone knows about the dogs, make sure the cart fits your menu. Make sure the cart could be converted into a grill/steam table system. Your needs maybe having a BBQ grill hooked on to the cart or kept as a separate method of cooking/grilling.................Good Luck.............Bill

Back to 4 sinks. OK in the other thread you mentioned a specific cart, have a link to there website, multiple sinks. Look close real close. 
Between the sinks, 1/4 steam pans you can actually see diamond plating.
All this is is a flat piece of metal cut to fit pans and faucet ficture. Then they took another piece of diamond plate using a brake, bent the metal to fit around the top piece forming a skirt, welded top and skirt together.  The pans have been drilled to accomodate drains.  attach sinks to cart and plumb the whole thing in. Anybody can have this done and if having right equipment can do this yourself.

http://www.mobilebsolutions.com/Product6.html

Hey Crubie - I totally agree with you - I too can seee how they did it....but you pretty much hit the nail on the head....."If I had the right equipment" - which I don't.  Nor - do I know jack about plumbing....not that I am sure I couldn't learn....but my question is - would it not be more convenient & economical to have someone do this for me - that DOES have the right equip and not to mention the expertise to connect it and plumb it?

Cajun man


Hey Crubie - I totally agree with you - I too can seee how they did it....but you pretty much hit the nail on the head....."If I had the right equipment" - which I don't.  Nor - do I know jack about plumbing....not that I am sure I couldn't learn....but my question is - would it not be more convenient & economical to have someone do this for me - that DOES have the right equip and not to mention the expertise to connect it and plumb it?

This is what I stated earlier in this thread. A welding/ fabrication shop can do the metal work and you would need a plumber also.
Now take used cart price add what has to be done and arrive at what you are going to spend at bringing cart to spec.'s, Now price that against a new cart. Compare prices and what you want,how quick things can happen and other stuff. Your call not mine. Do not know what fab./welding shop prices are in your area, don't know what plumbers prices either. This is what you have to do. Just informing you of how things are put together. You are the one that has to crunch numbers. Your business.


 

Dr of BBQ

...snip of well stated post!
Start over and read the FAQ, then go talk to your health department again and go slow don’t try and jump in the middle or you won’t last 5 months.

Jack

 
Well stated, Doc, well done, sir.