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Re:Hiring & Recruiting: Anyone having difficulties even in this economy? Sat, 03/26/11 10:34 AM (permalink)
ces1948


Basically employers have you by the shorthairs these days and they know it. My wife has been with the same company for 15 years and her workload has doubled the last 3-4 years as they have fewer and fewer people to do the work.

 
You should be grateful that evil employer finds that your wife is a value to the company. My wife is in the same boat, she now runs 4 departments but she is grateful to have made it through over half a dozen lay offs as her company fights for survival.
 
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    Re:Hiring & Recruiting: Anyone having difficulties even in this economy? Sat, 03/26/11 10:36 AM (permalink)
    ces1948


    Basically employers have you by the shorthairs these days and they know it. My wife has been with the same company for 15 years and her workload has doubled the last 3-4 years as they have fewer and fewer people to do the work.


    It's called Survival..........Others are complaining about the long lines at the unemployment office.............Go figure
    A great line from Dumb and Dumber:
    : I can't believe we drove around all day, and there's not a single job in this town. There is nothing, nada, zip!
    : Yeah! Unless you wanna work forty hours a week.
     
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      Re:Hiring & Recruiting: Anyone having difficulties even in this economy? Sun, 03/27/11 8:35 AM (permalink)
      you know, i shouldnt even reply again, but thats what i get for being hard headed
       
      you are nothing more then a common troll......
      i should be kicked in the head for falling into your trap, but, frustration and boredom got the best of me
       
      you come into a food website, with 5 whole posts under your belt......
      and 5 whole days as part of our community.....
       
      3 of your posts are in this thread alone, #4 being yet another post about rowdy customers.......
      didnt bother to look for #5, its pretty self evident what your intentions are around here anyway...
      you jump right on a thread thats been dug up from over a year ago, and your "just my opinion" turned into a full page novel..... so yea, you were just looking for a soap box to stand on, you found one, and i was just bored enough to fall right into it.
       
      sounds to me like you need to go find yourself a nice sociology forum to hang out in...... let me recommend www.douchebags.com, sounds right up your alley.
       
      i stand by my statements from before, and want to reiterate, that for every example (yes, i used real world examples, unlike yourself, who saw fit for a blanket statement of ignorance) you can produce of a "lousy worker", i can produce one of a "lousy boss" "lousy work environment"
       
      and before you just spout out for someone to move to better areas, why dont you stop reading right now, go pack your bags, say goodbye to everything and everyone you know, and hit the road.....
      go wherever you want, the CHOICE is yours.... let me know how that works out for ya..... let me run down just a few reasons for you that makes that a lousy choice....
      1-aging parents
      2-family and friends
      3-children with ex spouses
      there are things in life more important then money, FAMILY being tops on that list.
       
      well, that about wraps it up for me on this thread, i hope i didnt irritate you too much with my whining..... we all cant be winners like you, lol
       
      soooooo..... go grab your soap box, and your luggage, load up the car, and get back to us when you get to wherever your choices take you, and let us know how it all worked out for ya..... until then, how about you talk about some food for a change.... that is after all, sort of the baseline of this site.
       
       
      in case there is a mod out there with an itchy trigger finger www.douchebags.com is a legit website 
       
       
       
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        Re:Hiring & Recruiting: Anyone having difficulties even in this economy? Sun, 03/27/11 8:39 AM (permalink)
        i wont reply or participate in this thread again
         
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          Re:Hiring & Recruiting: Anyone having difficulties even in this economy? Sun, 03/27/11 5:36 PM (permalink)
          BackAlleyBurger


          i wont reply or participate in this thread again

          Why not?

           
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            Re:Hiring & Recruiting: Anyone having difficulties even in this economy? Mon, 03/28/11 1:02 AM (permalink)
            BackAlleyBurger


            you know, i shouldnt even reply again, but thats what i get for being hard headed

            you are nothing more then a common troll......
            i should be kicked in the head for falling into your trap, but, frustration and boredom got the best of me

            you come into a food website, with 5 whole posts under your belt......  So what?  So only vets of the forum can make comments and agree or disagree?  You can only post if we choose to see your way of thinking? 
            and 5 whole days as part of our community.....  Is there some sort of test I can take?  Do I have to send a picture and a photograph of me holding a baby and taking care of a sick puppy all while pulling a plow in a field? 

            3 of your posts are in this thread alone, #4 being yet another post about rowdy customers.......
            didnt bother to look for #5, its pretty self evident what your intentions are around here anyway... Which are what?  To come on here and make your life (in particular) terrible?  This forum (like many) is for anyone to comment on.  Grow up already.  I don't have an agenda.
            you jump right on a thread thats been dug up from over a year ago  (if you look at when I posted, I actually was second in line to Jwill who was the one who dug the post up, not me.  Because you're apparently not smart enough to figure it out, when a person gets on the forum, a lot of times, recently posted threads get moved to the top and highlighted.  This just happened to be one of the threads that was most recently posted on and it grabbed my attention.  It doesn't matter that it was a year old, it grabbed my attention.  Not every subject is interesting to me but this one was.  So what if it's a year old?  Does that make the subject any less important?  Yes, I understand people digging up old posts can get annoying but I didn't do that but even though Jwill did, so what?  Is that a crime?  I doubt is., and your "just my opinion" turned into a full page novel.....(you don't have to read it if you don't want to.......again,  "A CHOICE" that you have) so yea, you were just looking for a soap box to stand on, you found one, and i was just bored enough to fall right into it. There wasn't a "trap" that I was trying to set up.  So I feel a certain way about out workforce and employment.  I commented based on my feelings.  You can do the same.  You don't have to agree but try to explain yourself in a rational and practical way. 

            sounds to me like you need to go find yourself a nice sociology forum to hang out in...... let me recommend sounds right up your alley. It's comments like that that once again show what type of person you are.  And probably why you lost your job.  Really?  Douchebag?  Come on, you don't need to talk like that.  Again, you don't have to agree but debate with some thinking and not just mean words.  Use some intelligence.

            i stand by my statements from before, and want to reiterate, that for every example (yes, i used real world examples  Since when is a military town a "real world" example for most people in the USA?  Are you actually trying to say that most of the United States lives and works in a military type of community?  Just because you live there doesn't make it so for everyone.  And even if a lot of America did live there, it wouldn't mean "everyone" felt the same way. , unlike yourself, who saw fit for a blanket statement of ignorance) you can produce of a "lousy worker", i can produce one of a "lousy boss" "lousy work environment"  I didn't say that there weren't bad employers and bad work environments.  Nobody did.  But your comments suggest that this is more the case when my experience has been the opposite.  And my experience isn't just from one angle.  I've had many different positions in multiple types of jobs, not just a few.  But it's different coming from a family that brought me up to be a hard worker.  I believe in trying to keep working hard and dealing with difficult situations and trying to overcome them.  There comes a point when you can either overcome them or you can't and I've chose to take a different path when I can't and move on.  I never said making the decision to change or saving the money to move was easy, but I had to make sacrifices to do so.  It "IS" possible even when difficult.  In your case, it sounds like you would rather point the finger at (and blame) the employer or workplace, which won't change, rather than do something different.  Again, your choice but instead of taking accountability, you choose to place blame and make excuses with your examples. 

            and before you just spout out for someone to move to better areas, why dont you stop reading right now, go pack your bags, say goodbye to everything and everyone you know, and hit the road.....
            go wherever you want, the CHOICE is yours.... let me know how that works out for ya..... let me run down just a few reasons for you that makes that a lousy choice....
            1-aging parents  Yes, family is important to most people and difficult to leave.  I won't disagree. 
            2-family and friends Yes, both are important to most people and I will again agree.
            3-children with ex spouses Yes, I will again agree.  Even if I didn't have kids, I would understand that this could be difficult.  But as a parent, it did happen and we both moved from where we were.
            there are things in life more important then money, FAMILY being tops on that list.  I won't disagree this "should" be true.  It honestly should be.  However, if you can't afford to keep your house, put food on the table for your own wife and kids, and.....your friends or family can't afford to either, then what?  Who pays for stuff?  How do you get things?  Assuming you wouldn't steal, if you have no money and your friends and family don't have money, what do you do?  You live off the government or you die.  Yes, family and friends and kids of ex-spouses/girlfriends/boyfriends is important but they can't always provide for you sometimes. 

            well, that about wraps it up for me on this thread, i hope i didnt irritate you too much with my whining..... we all cant be winners like you, lol   Well, I'm not where I want to be in life but I try to be a winner.  I've got a lot to do to accomplish what I want but I'm not going to keep pointing fingers elsewhere when that doesn't change my situation(s).  Like the saying goes:  "change the things you have the power to change, and learn to live with the ones you can't".  It's too hard to fight the battle of changing employer's behavior or the goods & bads or a workplace.  Instead, try doing something different.  Whining doesn't work.

            soooooo..... go grab your soap box, and your luggage, load up the car, and get back to us when you get to wherever your choices take you, and let us know how it all worked out for ya..... until then, how about you talk about some food for a change.... that is after all, sort of the baseline of this site. It is true that food is what this site is about but it does allow for other conversation as well.  In this case though, employment issues do relate directly to food as well and if nothing else, has one of the worst turnover rates in many different types of industries.  Not to mention failure rates (2nd to hotels and hospitality figures I read a few years back).  So, maybe the food industry needs to think about that.


            in case there is a mod out there with an itchy trigger finger is a legit website 



            Again, you don't have to like what people say but then try to use some thoughtful explanations instead of making it "sound" so narrow minded.  Your examples and rude language suggest that you don't put a lot of thinking into things (at least not on here) and I'll say again, probably why you weren't one of the 6 out of 11 or 12 managers that got to stay on at your previous job.  You might want to reevaluate that while you're "working on your truck".  Which, who is paying for that again?

            Go out and get a job even if it's not what you want.  Eventually, with some hard work and intelligence, you may get promoted and make the kind of money you can.

            localnet and PNWChef both make good points about the opposite side of what you're talking about.  Remember, employers don't owe you anything.  You are dispensible.  There are better people out there.  And yes, right now, there are 100's if not, 1000's of people that are looking for jobs that would be happy to have one.  (even if it means less pay than they want and a "not so great" work environment.  Employers don't have to give you a job, you have to "earn" it. 
            <message edited by theshow on Mon, 03/28/11 1:20 AM>
             
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              Re:Hiring & Recruiting: Anyone having difficulties even in this economy? Mon, 03/28/11 8:18 PM (permalink)

              http://www.usatoday.com/m...28-1Amorale28_ST_N.htm

              Workers eager to job hunt as morale plunges

               
              Businesses are understandably focused on expenses," says Ronald Leopold, vice president of MetLife's U.S. business. "But they're taking their eye off the ball with human capital issues, notably what drives employee satisfaction and loyalty."
              Morale fell — and stress levels skyrocketed — as cost-cutting employers froze wages, slashed bonuses and asked workers to assume the duties of laid-off colleagues during the downturn. Four in 10 employees say a heavy workload, unrealistic job expectations and long hours have created stress, reports a study by the American Psychological Association.
               
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                Re:Hiring & Recruiting: Anyone having difficulties even in this economy? Mon, 03/28/11 8:22 PM (permalink)
                Employers will be shocked if this economy ever turns around. The good employees will be leaving in droves.
                 
                localnet


                ces1948


                Basically employers have you by the shorthairs these days and they know it. My wife has been with the same company for 15 years and her workload has doubled the last 3-4 years as they have fewer and fewer people to do the work.


                You should be grateful that evil employer finds that your wife is a value to the company. My wife is in the same boat, she now runs 4 departments but she is grateful to have made it through over half a dozen lay offs as her company fights for survival.


                 
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                  theshow

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                  Re:Hiring & Recruiting: Anyone having difficulties even in this economy? Tue, 03/29/11 11:43 PM (permalink)
                  I received a message in my PM today but couldn't respond because I haven't been here long enough so I'm going to respond here.  I understand what "PM" stands for and I'm not posting here to mention names because I don't feel that's appropriate.  After all, the PM's are "supposed" to be private right?
                   
                  Hey, I respect that and will do so.  When I can respond back, I will.  In the meantime.......... 
                   
                  However, I do want to comment on the recent threads about workers and their feelings about employers.  First off, I'm not corporate or "for" corporate power in a way that destroys everything about America and what we stand for.  But people need to be able to differentiate between what they can and can't do.  LIke I've said, the workers that feel stressed, underpayed, overworked, and squeezed to death (basically) do actually have choices.  If they want, they actually can leave.  They have that right.  Unless they're contracted to fulfill an obligation (which very few are) they can go try to get a job elsewhere.  And even the ones that are contracted can do as well (even if it means losing a lot of money because they opted out of said contract).  In our society you can pretty much work wherever you want whether you like it or not.  That part's up to you. 
                   
                  The thing is, the people responding that it's the employers that are overworking and underpaying employees are correct, the employers probably are.  They may or may not be and I'm not necessarilly disagreeing or at least partly but it depends on too many variables to break down each and every employer.  (I'm not going to say all employers are or aren't and will just speak from experience that I know some do and don't).  But these people also fail to mention that the employees that feel this way about their employer can leave at any time.  It's a free country and you're not "obligated" to work for someone by any means.  Of course employers overwork and underpay their employees because they can.  If an employee doesn't like it, they can "show the man" and leave.  But instead, an employee that has a family, house, debt, and other things doesn't want to risk losing what little they may have with their little paycheck by leaving and "possibly" not getting a better job somewhere else.  Or even a similar one with similar pay.  This is the difficult decision BUT STILL a choice that you have.  YOU CAN LEAVE if you don't like what you're employer is doing. 
                   
                  These people that don't like their job may be great employees and well worth more than what their being paid and probably deserve more time off.  (Or at least some of them).  I'm not at all disagreeing with these statements but understand that if they are "so great" as employees, why don't they prove it to their boss by making their employer feel like they are so invaluable that if they lost them their business would suffer.  That's the point.  If an employee is so great or at least good enough to help a business so much that an employer would pay them more and give them more time off AND...less of a workload, the employer probably would because they felt the same way.  But if the employer didn't feel this way, it's the employee's responsibility (job) to prove otherwise, not the employer's.  Rarely, if ever, is an employer going to give a raise unless it's mandatory or policy.  Some employers do give bonuses and raises without employees asking but this doesn't happen very often and we all know it. 
                   
                  An employer is never going to pay more than they should or expect less of their employees or offer more time off UNLESS it's felt it IS NECESSARY.  Any business that pays more than they should ends up going under because it's simple math and economics (that's what P&L's are for).  Because of this, employers will always squeeze more out of their employees than employees want.  That won't change even with a good economy. 
                   
                  Like I keep saying, if you want something to change, you have to make it happen.  If these people are so confident that they can get another better job elsewhere then why don't they?  Why?  Because they're not sure they can.  That's not the fault of the employer.  If I felt I could do better somewhere else, it does me no good to keep complaining about it.  I would have to weigh all my options to decide if I felt "potentially" being without a job for a few months or even a year (like some people may be right now) is worth it or trying to keep putting up with the bs until I can't take it anymore. 
                   
                  At  the same time, most employees that consider a different job "usually" go job hunting while they have a job and ask that their current employer not be contacted for confidentiality reasons.  Unfortunately though, this is a risk for multiple reasons.  If an employer is considering them for a position and this is the way an employee goes about looking for a new job, I would be skeptical as an employer about hiring them because they wouldn't be forward enough with me to tell me (as an employer) that they are considering other job opportunities.  They could up and leave at any time.  This hurts the employer.  Or an employer could say they understand that they also wouldn't want to lose their job if they too were in the "potential" employee's shoes and looking for a new job and respect that.  They might do this but still keep in the back of their mind that the employee was looking for another job while at their current employer without notifying said employer.  I've had employees just not even show up without a phone call.  Nothing.  This puts my business in a terrible position from a business standpoint.  It doesn't have to be personal.  I've also had employees give 2 weeks or even 1 week notice.  Hey, I completely respect that even if I didn't like the person.  That's the right thing to do.  I've been taught to always give notice.  If nothing else, this gives a "good" employee and opportunity to PROVE to their employer that their worth more money, time off, bonuses, less work, a promotion, etc.  If an employer knows that one of their employees is looking for a job, (especially in this economy), it would make me wonder why they would want to switch jobs.  But again, the employee needs to show the employer their worth.  Saying "I'm hardworking" doesn't mean crap anymore.  Show me why your so good and why your valuable, don't just "say" you are.  I can say I'm great but have to prove it to my employer.  This is only fair.  But someone who is not willing to be forward and communicate that they feel like a different scenery might suit them better is only showing me how disrespectful they can be.  I don't want this person working for me. 
                   
                  Regarding ces1948's comments, they are probably accurate.  Employers would be shocked if all of a sudden employees left and their business failed.  But as far as the "good" employees leaving in droves, that should be happening already.  If the employees are so "good" (like I stated before), why do they need to wait for the economy to take a crap for them to leave?  Good employees know their worth and can usually show it to employers or "potential" employers.  The bad ones will always be bad, the average will be average, and the good might be good but not if they don't constantly show it.  That just makes them average like all the other employees.  If you're average, you're only worth "average". 
                   
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