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Captain Morgan

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Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 11:06 AM (permalink)
what are you looking for in one you like?

Hot?
Sweet?
Tomato taste?
Beef taste?
Regional flavor like Tex-Mex/Southwest?

What's most important to you?
 
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    WVCitySlicker

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    RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 12:46 PM (permalink)
    I like mine tomatoey, a little sweet, spicey and medium heat.
     
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      Captain Morgan

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      RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 3:03 PM (permalink)
      excellent answer, thanks!
       
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        Michael Hoffman

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        RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 3:15 PM (permalink)
        I like mine to taste like real chili with a slight bite. When I say real chili I guess I'm talking about Tex-Mex.
         
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          Captain Morgan

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          RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 3:58 PM (permalink)
          yeah that's kinda what I meant....I see hot dog chili and "chili" as two different
          things. Love both, but I like more southwestern/cumin/Mexi flavor to a bowl of
          chili, but for hot dog chili, I like a beefy, slightly hot flavor.
          Just wanted to see what everyone else thought.
           
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            MellowRoast

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            RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 3:59 PM (permalink)
            I want real chili flavor, savory rather than sweet, with no beans or tomatoes. Heat is optional. (I sure don't ask for much, do I?)
             
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              MellowRoast

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              RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 4:02 PM (permalink)
              ...and go easy on the cumin.
               
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                MellowRoast

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                RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 4:16 PM (permalink)
                I want real chili flavor, savory rather than sweet, with no beans or tomatoes. Heat is optional. (I sure don't ask for much, do I?)
                 
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                  Foodbme

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                  RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 4:40 PM (permalink)
                  There are numerous Threads on here on this subject. Do a search to get more info.
                  Here's what GOOD chili sauce should taste like:
                  Original Greek Coney Sauce
                  1 pound Ground beef
                  3/4 cup lard
                  1 medium Onion(s), diced
                  1/3 cup Chili powder
                  2 teaspoons Paprika
                  1 teaspoon Black pepper, coarsely ground
                  1 teaspoon Garlic powder
                  1 teaspoon Cumin powder
                  1 teaspoon Allspice
                  1 teaspoon Basil, dried
                  1 teaspoon Salt
                  1 TBSP Celery Seed
                  1/2 teaspoon Oregano, dried

                  PREPARATION:
                  To get the right consistency, break up the meat in a bowl & cover the meat with water & Ice and soak in the fridge for about 30 minutes. Drain water & remove Ice & then take a fork and break up any remaining chunks.
                  Line a colander with 1 layer of Cheese Cloth and drain the meat. You can make a packet with the Cheese cloth and squeeze to remove excess water. The meat in the cheese cloth makes it easy to transport to the pan. Use a large sauté pan with a lid or a chicken fryer with a lid, Brown beef, onion and shortening. At this point, Lay sheets of paper towel on the mixture to absorb any excess lard if you don't like your sauce greasy. Discard the towel (Duh!) Add remaining ingredients and stir.
                  Cover & Simmer for 1 ½ hours. Stirring occasionally. Remove lid and cook for another 15 to 30 minutes. You may have to add some water if it's too thick for your taste. Put mixture in a bowl & refrigerate. This allows the excess lard to firm up and can be scraped off if you desire. Package in sealed containers or Zip Freezer bags
                  This freezes well.
                   
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                    UncleVic

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                    RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 7:09 PM (permalink)
                    Ahhh... Chili Sauce! God's gift to bringing a dog back to life.
                    I like mine with somewhat of a beefy, tomato sauce or juice based thin sauce with some kick. But it has to have the true chili taste in there.. None of that stuff that looks like sloppy joe mix on my dogs..
                     
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                      ShellysDawgHouse

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                      RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sun, 06/22/08 7:13 PM (permalink)
                      when i taste hot dog chili I am NOT looking for chili i would eat in a bowl with rice/noodles/chips/etc. So that said, i like a bit of a kick with a bit of smokiness and some sweetness in there. (not sure if i explained it just right, but that is the basics.)oh and tomato in there, but NOT necessarily a major taste.
                       
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                        Captain Morgan

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                        RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Mon, 06/23/08 11:38 AM (permalink)
                        Shelly, I know exactly what you mean...my research is showing most important
                        is a beef flavor, with contributing heat, sweet and tomato, in that order.
                        This is interesting.
                         
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                          Russ Jackson

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                          RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Mon, 06/23/08 11:52 AM (permalink)
                          Try this thread on Hot Dog Chili/Coney Sauce http://www.roadfood.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5824

                          This is my favorite recipe:


                          In regards to you request I am going to give the recipe for authentic Detroit Coney Sauce. I will also give the proper way to serve it.
                          First the proper Dog.
                          Never use a budget dog.
                          Whenever possible use in this order Koegle, Dearborn, Sabrett,Kowalski,or Boars Head. All with Natural casing!!!!
                          Dogs must be grilled on a griddle or a cast iron skillet on medium low with a small ammount of butter and vegetable oil. Constant turning of dogs is a must and they must never split open. You will be looking for a consistent light brown color with a darker line of brown on 2 sides.If dogs are straight they can be rolled back and forth regularly to insure even cooking with a large hamburger flipper. If curved use kitchen tongs and adjust next to the other dogs. NEVER BOIL A HOTDOG! The only onion to use is a large very white one. It must be chopped very fine to the point that if it was any smaller it would be a liquid. This is imperative as an onion has a different taste when chopped larger. Onion particles will be about 1/8 inch square.

                          In a very large preheated pot with 1 cup of lard simmer 5 lbs of ground round and 1/2 lb cow heart ground fine on medium heat until it seperates and turns just brown. This mixture must be stirred regularly and mashed during process to create a kind of rough paste.
                          In a cast iron skillet put 6 tablespoons of butter and melt it then add 6 tablespoons of flour and make a light brown roux and set aside. Cut 3 tomatoes in half and roast in a 450 degree oven with a little vegatable oil on top until completely cooked and starting to turn into mush with a slight browning taking place. Set these aside.Add 32 ounces of chicken stock to meat simmer for 20 minutes at a slight boil then add roux, cooked tomatoes, 3 tablespoons chili powder,4 table spoons paprika,1/3 cup plochmans yellow mustard,2 tablespoons tumeric, 2 tablespoons cumin powder, 1 tablespoon garlic powder not salt,and 1 tablespoon onion powder. Simmer this down to the proper consistancy.
                          Steaming buns is the best way in a home enviorment a chinese steamer basket works well or you can wrap them in paper towells and microwave 3 at a time on high for about 20 seconds. Open bun place dog spread slightly thinned yellow mustard over dog. Cover with Coney sauce then top with onions. Additional mustard may be added however cheese or KETCHUP is never allowed lets leave that to the people in ohio ok.

                          ...Russ
                           
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                            Captain Morgan

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                            RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Mon, 06/23/08 12:56 PM (permalink)
                            Thanks Russ but I'll pass on recipes calling for cow hearts.
                            I used to eat fried chicken livers growing up, now I just can't
                            find the taste for em.
                            I'm not really looking for a recipe, but what people like in a chili
                            sauce...I'm working on my own recipe for a Red Cross fundraiser.
                             
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                              Foodbme

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                              RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Mon, 06/23/08 1:21 PM (permalink)
                              quote:
                              Originally posted by Captain Morgan

                              Thanks Russ but I'll pass on recipes calling for cow hearts.
                              I used to eat fried chicken livers growing up, now I just can't
                              find the taste for em.
                              I'm not really looking for a recipe, but what people like in a chili
                              sauce...I'm working on my own recipe for a Red Cross fundraiser.


                              Why re-invent the wheel unless you just want to call it your own "Original" Recipe. There's plenty of excellent recipes on the threads in here. Just use the search function.
                               
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                                Russ Jackson

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                                RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Mon, 06/23/08 2:34 PM (permalink)
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by Captain Morgan

                                Thanks Russ but I'll pass on recipes calling for cow hearts.
                                I used to eat fried chicken livers growing up, now I just can't
                                find the taste for em.
                                I'm not really looking for a recipe, but what people like in a chili
                                sauce...I'm working on my own recipe for a Red Cross fundraiser.


                                You could omit the cow heart. However Cow Heart has a very specific taste. Wouldnt be suprized if it is in alot of good quality hot dogs. That is an excellent recipe that took years to develop. Give it a try.... Russ
                                 
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                                  Captain Morgan

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                                  RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Mon, 06/23/08 3:08 PM (permalink)
                                  quote:
                                  Originally posted by Foodbme

                                  quote:
                                  Originally posted by Captain Morgan

                                  Thanks Russ but I'll pass on recipes calling for cow hearts.
                                  I used to eat fried chicken livers growing up, now I just can't
                                  find the taste for em.
                                  I'm not really looking for a recipe, but what people like in a chili
                                  sauce...I'm working on my own recipe for a Red Cross fundraiser.


                                  Why re-invent the wheel unless you just want to call it your own "Original" Recipe. There's plenty of excellent recipes on the threads in here. Just use the search function.


                                  there's a reason why I'm doing just that, actually a couple of reasons.
                                   
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                                    Russ Jackson

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                                    RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Mon, 06/23/08 3:21 PM (permalink)
                                    Will you share your final recipe?
                                    Always interrested in a new Hot Dog Chili or Sauce.
                                    I would say I tend to stay away from a real sweet sauce. Good mustard undertone and some heat like dried smoked chipolte peppers or cayenne. Garlic is good also...Russ
                                     
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                                      Captain Morgan

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                                      RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Mon, 06/23/08 5:15 PM (permalink)
                                      sure Russ, even the in progress recipe....I live in South Carolina, in a retirement area
                                      and one that supports a tourism industry, so there's lot's of transients. I'm trying to
                                      find the profile for a hot dog chili that will satisfy the majority of people.
                                      It's impossible to please everyone, but being in a melting pot, I want to get lots
                                      of opinions, thus the post here and elsewhere.

                                      It's fun, and I've got one recipe almost ready to be taste-tested..I'll be happy to post it here,
                                      but I'm trying to find a balance between a chili that works alone on a dog, and also one that
                                      works with slaw on a dog...which is common here in the Carolinas.

                                      Also, if anyone else would like to chime in on their flavor/texture profile preferences,
                                      I'd love to know what state you live in.

                                       
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                                        redokie

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                                        RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Thu, 06/26/08 5:15 PM (permalink)
                                        Does anyone remember Cupid's Hot Dogs in So. California? There used to be many now only one is left in Chatsworth. I'm trying to find the chili they use - simply the best hot dog chili ever. Can anyone help me?
                                         
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                                          Foodbme

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                                          RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sat, 03/7/09 2:35 AM (permalink)
                                          Ho Ho's Texas Hot - Wiener Sauce
                                          8 cups water Less if you like it thicker
                                          12 to 16 oz finely ground hotdogs (I prefer Hebrew National skinless all beef)
                                          1/2 cup cornstarch (dissolved in a little cold water)
                                          1 tbls paprika
                                          1 tbls chili powder
                                          1/4 cup white vinegar
                                          1 tsp sea or kosher salt
                                          1/2 tsp onion powder
                                          1/4 tsp white pepper
                                          1/2 tsp oregano
                                          1/2 tsp cinnamon
                                          1 tsp crushed red pepper flakes
                                          a few grinds of fresh black pepper

                                          Bring everything to a boil, except the cornstarch.
                                          Let simmer for 30 minutes, then slowly add the cornstarch mixture, stirring constantly. Bring back to a boil, and keep stirring.
                                          Taste along the way, adjusting the salt or pepper as you like it.
                                          Serve on your favorite hotdog, with brown mustard, diced onion, in a steamed hotdog bun. This sauce will be thin, it is supposed to be, it is not a "chili dog" recipe. The sauce will thicken as it cools. It freezes well.
                                          Note; Each time you reheat the sauce, it will get thicker
                                           
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                                            PapaJoe8

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                                            RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sat, 03/7/09 8:41 AM (permalink)
                                            Wolf Brand! The only way to make a chili dog here in Texas! Just give it a try.

                                            Once you have seen the light you can never go back into the darkness. :~)
                                            Joe
                                             
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                                              tcrouzer

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                                              RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sat, 03/7/09 9:44 AM (permalink)
                                              This hot dog chili sauce from an Aiken, SC pool hall is my go-to sauce for hot dogs - no more bought chili for me. You could use this as a base and season it to your taste for your "original" sauce.

                                              Aiken, SC Pool Hall Hot Dog Chili Sauce

                                              • 1 lb ground beef
                                              • 3/4 cup hot water
                                              • 1 1/2 cups minced onions
                                              • 4 tablespoons ballpark mustard
                                              • 3 teaspoons sugar
                                              • 2 teaspoons apple cider vinegar
                                              • 2 teaspoons chili powder
                                              • 1 cup ketchup
                                              • salt
                                              • Break up and lightly brown the ground beef in a 4-quart saucepan.
                                              • Add onions and cook for 5 more minutes.
                                              • Add hot water to make a thick mix and stir together.
                                              • Add mustard, sugar, vinegar, chili powder, and ketchup.
                                              • Cook slowly for 1 hour, stirring occasionally.
                                              • Salt to taste.
                                              • note:  I cook everything together in the water to make a much finer texture.
                                               
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                                                Captain Morgan

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                                                RE: Hot Dog Chili Sauce Sat, 03/7/09 11:50 AM (permalink)
                                                thanks....I fear Wolf Brand will be too Texas-ey, and I already
                                                make the Aiken Pool hall recipe, doctored up a little...however
                                                my recipe and experiment results are on my old computer that
                                                crashed, and the guy "fixing" it has had for almost a year now..
                                                I fear I lost a ton of pics and recipes there.

                                                oh well, back to the drawing board.

                                                Meanwhile, it helps the most to tell me what you like in your
                                                chili for hot dogs.. all opinions are appreciated.
                                                 
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                                                  ptireland

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                                                  Re:Hot Dog Chili Sauce Wed, 03/11/09 8:13 PM (permalink)
                                                  Captain Morgan


                                                  what are you looking for in one you like?

                                                  Hot?
                                                  Sweet?
                                                  Tomato taste?
                                                  Beef taste?
                                                  Regional flavor like Tex-Mex/Southwest?

                                                  What's most important to you?



                                                  I'm looking for one that compliments my dogs...but most of all one that sells dogs.


                                                  I'm just getting into the business.  How often do you make chili?  Every night?  Will it keep for a day or two?  Can you freeze it?  Should you?  How much do you make at a time? 
                                                   
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                                                    Foodbme

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                                                    Re:Hot Dog Chili Sauce Thu, 03/12/09 3:32 AM (permalink)
                                                    ptireland


                                                    Captain Morgan


                                                    what are you looking for in one you like?

                                                    Hot?
                                                    Sweet?
                                                    Tomato taste?
                                                    Beef taste?
                                                    Regional flavor like Tex-Mex/Southwest?

                                                    What's most important to you?



                                                    I'm looking for one that compliments my dogs...but most of all one that sells dogs.


                                                    I'm just getting into the business.  How often do you make chili?  Every night?  Will it keep for a day or two?  Can you freeze it?  Should you?  How much do you make at a time? 

                                                     
                                                    Your quantity will be determined by your volume. I would suggest you make a pretty god quantity to start and then pack it in Quart or Gallon Ziploc bags and freeze some. Try to get as much air out of the bag as you can. You're just going to need to monitor your usage to find a quantity that works for you. It will keep for 5-6 days if properly refrigerated. Everyone's usage is different. there is no magic formula.


                                                     
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                                                      ptireland

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                                                      Re:Hot Dog Chili Sauce Thu, 03/12/09 11:40 AM (permalink)
                                                      One thing I worry about is making the chili too soupy.  I don't want it to make the bun soggy.
                                                       
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                                                        Captain Morgan

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                                                        Re:Hot Dog Chili Sauce Thu, 03/12/09 11:53 AM (permalink)
                                                        ptire, I'm not open....my plans are on hold in sympathy with
                                                        the economy!
                                                         
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                                                          ptireland

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                                                          Re:Hot Dog Chili Sauce Thu, 03/12/09 12:16 PM (permalink)
                                                          During the depression, the only people who actually still did good business were....

                                                          1)  People who sold old cars

                                                          2)  People who fixed old cars

                                                          3)  People who sold food from carts (apples, hot dogs, etc.)


                                                          This is when the Chicago dog became popular.  It has so much stuff on it, it was like a whole meal for a dime.


                                                          I plan on opening my cart during this recession and I'm hoping it will work out.  People gotta eat and I see 2 dogs, chips, and a coke for $5 as a damn good deal. 
                                                           
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                                                            Captain Morgan

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                                                            Re:Hot Dog Chili Sauce Thu, 03/12/09 4:34 PM (permalink)
                                                            you might do fine in LA...in South Carolina, that ain't a damn good deal.  You can do better at lots of places here.  Of course, you can
                                                            buy bbq for 7 or 8 bucks a pound here, while a buddy of mine near
                                                            DC gets 15 bucks a pound for his.  But I'm not talking about a cart,
                                                            I'm looking for a small joint.  I get what you're saying, and I'm hoping to jump in at just the right time.


                                                             
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