In N Out question

T.J and Steve, you are two of the most intelligent posters that I have read on these fora. I don't know if anyone can ever resolve the debate but there are a couple of points I think ought to be made.
First of all, this site is about aesthetics(Good food vs. Bad food) and some of our worst fights seem to be about definitions. How many locations before something is a chain? Is it possible for fast food to be "good" roadfood? Aesthtics is not scientific and it relies on individual judgement and will always be imprecise.
Places such an IN N OUT, Burgerville,Gold Star, Lou Meriani's(sic) are regional in nature but have passionate defenders and I think are genuine Roadfood places..

Rubio's, Pizzeria Uno, Nathan's are regionals that may have crossed to the "dark side" and McDonald"s and Burger King are definitely part of the evil empire and anti-roadfood.
Too much has been made of the relegation of fast food topics to a forum that doen not appear on the opening page. The OWNERS of this WEB site want the change and it is THEIR site so the rest of us should just accept it. We still can talk about the franchises as much as we want.
Let the admins do their thing. If a subject is in the wrong place, it can be moved. Just as I grew weary of anti-chain polemics, I'm growing a little tired of "This is a chain" posts that don't advance the discussion on much of anything. Let us discuss food.

No need to make a better case than your own inanity and inabilty to address the baseline question I posed has already made.

You hate FF, you wanted FF topics banished out of sight, you got your wish, and yet here you are, smack dab in the middle of the FFF forum, not only reading, but participating.

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Originally posted by mr chips

First of all, this site is about aesthetics(Good food vs. Bad food) and some of our worst fights seem to be about definitions.

You're making the same mistake as Steve - my ire is not due to the definition of fast food, but the fact that he - one of those whose incessant whining got the FFF forum created so that he and the others in his tolerance-challenged clique wouldn't even have to see the listing of FFF topics - is now here, spending time reading and posting in this vey same "leper colony" of a forum - that's the problem.

One might hope that someone who claimed never to even want to view FFF topics again would at least have the good common sense to stay away. But here he is, bothering those of us who have some sense and/or tolerance (albeit not for those whiners) with his inane crap.

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Originally posted by mr chips

How many locations before something is a chain?

Irrelevant. Pioneer Chicken is a dying chain with only a few locations left in Southen California, and is not a fast food joint to boot. Yet a thead on Pioneer Chicken was moved here.

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Originally posted by mr chips

Is it possible for fast food to be "good" roadfood? Aesthtics is not scientific and it relies on individual judgement and will always be imprecise. Places such an IN N OUT, Burgerville,Gold Star, Lou Meriani's(sic) are regional in nature but have passionate defenders and I think are genuine Roadfood places..

Rubio's, Pizzeria Uno, Nathan's are regionals that may have crossed to the "dark side" and McDonald"s and Burger King are definitely part of the evil empire and anti-roadfood.

Then explain to me why a thread on the much-beloved institution In and Out has been moved to this forum?

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Originally posted by mr chips

Too much has been made of the relegation of fast food topics to a forum that doen not appear on the opening page. The OWNERS of this WEB site want the change and it is THEIR site so the rest of us should just accept it. We still can talk about the franchises as much as we want.

I disagree. There was a period in time when the owners of this site specifically permitted (I have the quote, as Steve pointed out) the inclusion of topics now banished to the FFF forum in the othe forums. During that period of time, Steve and others like him actively opposed the inclusion of such threads and railed against posters who dared to speak of fast food or franchise topics. They actively insulted and denigrated such posters, and generally ranted to anyone who would listen that such discussion should not be permitted here. Well, at this time, they have to an extent achieved their goal. Management of this site has changed it's philosophy. But all that means to me is that management is no longer on my side. I have opposed this change and will continue to do so.

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Originally posted by mr chips

Let the admins do their thing. If a subject is in the wrong place, it can be moved.

Part of the problem is that the new pilosophy is so ill-defined that threads are being moved that should not be moved at all. The Pioneer Cicken, In and Out, and Waffle House are good examples of this.

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Originally posted by mr chips

Just as I grew weary of anti-chain polemics, I'm growing a little tired of "This is a chain" posts that don't advance the discussion on much of anything. Let us discuss food.

Sorry. I will discuss both.

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Originally posted by stevekoe

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Originally posted by TJ Jackson

<irrelevant sore-loser nonsense snipped>.....so why again was this seperate FFF forum created?

I didn't create it, so I can only speculate. But, I assume, like I said in my earlier post, that posts regarding fast food franchises are not viewed in the same light as roadfood posts. They are lesser. They are not AS welcomed as posts on roadfood. I don't know how to make this clearer for you.

The problem, the way I see it, is that this thread was mistakenly included in the "Fast Food Franchise" thread, as In-N-Out is neither fast food (if you have not been, every order is cooked to order, and not until you place your order) nor a franchise -- as jeepguy lamented earlier, they will not franchise their product to Chicago, or anywhere else. And, the Sterns -- you know? The people who DEFINED the term "roadfood", reviewed their business and deemed them such.

You really should pick an issue for which you can make a better case.

I see. According to you if every order is cooked to order and only when you place your order then that opens the door to a wide range of chains, including Morton's Ruth's Chris, Waffle House, and many others, Thank you for stating clearly that you oppose relegating such places to this backroom -- a back room which you seem to visit with some degree of frequency.

Wendy's also cooks to order

Here's a crazy idea- This thread is about In N Out burger. How about talking about In N Out Burger?

Probably a stupid idea, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

John

If it getting difficult to navigate through this thread. Perhaps I will delete some of the post due to the inflamatory communications. Please cease or I will delete several of the post. You know who you are.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Wondering how to get to the closest In-N-Out to you?
Try Google Earth and click on the layer I created of EVERY In-N-Out in CA, NV, and AZ.

http://earth.google.com/
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Board=EarthTravel&Number=213725&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

Hey Jeepguy.. In N Out is the bomb and are still being served in boats and baskets in California's high desert area. Originally they were only in CA and a family owned fast food resturant. There were no franchises. They have, in the last couple of years or so expanded to some other adjoining states and are planning on going farther. I just moved to Texas so am looking forward to their appearance in the Dallas area within a few years since I have been a Cali girl since 1973. Not just is the double double a favorite but animal style which is like a triple. They also do fries which are still fresh potatoes cut on the premises, animal style. The dressing is thousand and all burgers come with lettuce tomatoe onions, grilled or fresh onions. They are all fresh made so you get them orderd and made your way every time. Rarely do you get a "bad" one but it does happen to all fast food entities.

We were on vacation in Southern California a couple years ago. Driving down the freeway one night with a hankering for an In-N-Out burger but no idea where one was. So we called the 800 number and the guy there basically talked us through finding the closest In-N-Out: "Take the next off-ramp ... your second right should be Elm Street ... now bear left ... do you see a shopping center?" It was a beautiful thing.

In-N-OUT is fantastic. But I have a problem with people recommending it without mentioning the secret menu or atleast mentioning grilled onions. If you order a burger, they ask if you want onions on that. If you say yes, they give you raw onions unless you request for it to be sauteed. Ask for the onions to be sauteed. To me, the onions are what really sets the burger apart from other chains.

I like to order the 2 by 4, which is 2 meat patties and 4 pieces of melted cheese. With grilled onions, of course.

Secret Menu
http://www.zenlemur.com/innout.shtml

Everytime I look at the subject title of this thread, it makes me think of the movie, A Clockwork Orange.....
Sorry, just rambling here...

Due to the revised policy regarding the FF forum, wherein threads about an eatery reviewed in the restaurants section do not belong in the FFF forum, this thread no longer belongs in the FFF forum and should be moved to the Hamburger forum

I'll look into that.

Thanks for your constructive and well-thought out suggestion.

I agree with Bill Voss- the fries are undercooked normally, so ask for "well-done", The burgers are terrific! They'll even actually grill the onions. Our closest one is 2 1/2 hours away, but we won't miss one if we're anywhere close by.

In N Out is good, but I prefer FATBURGER!!

There is now a review of In And Out online here, so this thread needs to be moved to the Hamburger forum

TJ,
Please, The Horse is long dead. Please stop beating it.

I don't understand.

The rule is (as I understand it) that threads about eateries that are fast food or chains belong in this forum unless the eatery in question has received an official Roadfood review, and In-N-Out has been reviewed, specifically: http://www.roadfood.com/Reviews/Overview.aspx?RefID=1647

I don't understand, either. This burger thread is really pissing me off. I think I'm pissed off because this is in the fast food forum. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that I'm pissed off because it ISN'T in the fast food forum. In any case, I'm really pissed off about this burger thread, and with less than two days until Christmas, I wish somebody would resolve this crisis.

http://www.gdd.net/bkholiday/index.php

Poverty, I agree. You cannot make all the people all the time

Some like it hot and some like it cold. Sometimes this forum is like the Democrats and Republicans.

Not everything is black and white and sometimes a little judgement is better than a hard and fast rule.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Good to see that the thread police have returned, telling the moderators where everything should be located. Why not just start your own website? That way you can hold domain over your own categories rather than whining about where everything belongs.

Sheesh, Saps.....

Those comments were over 2 weeks old, and pronounced DOA by the Mayor. Why are you - two weeks later, no less - salting the wounds, so to speak?