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2013/10/08 01:59:48 (permalink)

Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com???

While there have been diverse opinions expressed on here about Diners Drive-Ins and Dives, I'm finding that they are presenting some very good offerings of what would classify as Roadfood places and I wonder why we haven't seen or heard of some of these places here on Roadfood???
Some would say that DDD is just a copy cat of Roadfood, and in some respects, yes it is.
For example, tonight they presented Kelly O's in Pittsburgh.
http://kellyos.com/
After the show I tried looking it up on here and didn't see it anywhere. Maybe I just missed it.
The place looked like it would qualify as a Roadfood Joint.
Seems with all our "Yinzers" on here we would have at least had a mention of the place by now.
Granted, there are places that are featured on both sites.
Like tonight, Hob Nob Hill was on DDD and it's been discussed a lot on here too.
Just seems there are a lot of places on DDD that aren't in here.
Am I missing something???
Personally, I like DDD for the food that gets featured, not so much the Host.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 03:40:57 (permalink)
    DDD definitely got its inspiration directly from Roadfood as, if I remember correctly, one of the producers had posted on Roadfood a number of years ago looking for suggestions of places to check out. 
    DDD is certainly outpacing RF for a few reasons:
    1.) They have an entire staff dedicated to researching where to go plus they reach a far wider audience than RF and they get tons of viewer suggestions.
    2.)  As much as I love RF, there seem to be very few active members.  According to what I just read on this site, there are 114,520 registered users but I would guess there are less than 100 users who are regular contributers to the forums/boards and who have submitted multiple reviews and posted multiple Trip Reports.  It has been this way for quite some time.  Why?  Some folks are "lurkers" on the site and just like to read and get suggestions of places to go.  Others, maybe due to various circumstances, cannot afford to eat out very often or travel.  Some people don't feel comfortable taking pictures in restaurants or drawing attention to themselves.  Some people may not want to put forth the effort from start to finish to submit a review or post a Trip Report.  Not the hardest thing in the world, but a labor of love nonetheless. 
    3.)  I've seen many posts asking the why the Sterns have not been to "City X" to try a particular restaurant.  They are only two people and have various commitments for book readings, signings, obligations at home, articles to write, etc.  Most, if not all of, the rest of the Roadfood team is here on a volunteer basis.  They can only do so much.  To that, I say what I have always said, "Be an ambassador for your city/town/favorite restaurant".  If there's a special place that you think should be on the site and you feel passionately about it, create an opportunity to share it with the online (and real world) at large.  Grab a pen, a pad of paper and a camera and get out there to give us the scoop! 
     
    Recently, I had started a thread in the Roadfood News column about the Frito Pie dust-up with Anthony Bourdain and it received almost 100 responses in a very short short period of time.  Sadly, it didn't take long for the conversation to take a negative turn and I believe the thread has since been deleted.  Some had voiced concern in the past about not enough members taking a more active role in contributing to Roadfood and how there seems to be a focus on more somewhat "non-Roadfood" centric threads.  To be honest I really didn't notice it too much until this recent thread.  I sat back and thought, "Wow, I wish my Trip Reports would get this many replies!".  I realize that eveyone has an opnion about something/somebody and it's not always easy to relate to places one may have not yet visited or may never visit, but if trading barbs back and forth on a thread can routinely generate THAT much interest, then perhaps we're forgetting what it's really all about.
     
    I have always viewed Roadfood as a celebration of and a tribute to all of the wonderful quirkiness and uniqueness that defines so many regions of this country.  It has been an amazing journey and a brilliant education for me as well as an honor to sit across from so many wonderful Roadfooders and share their food traditions with them as well as introduce them to some of mine.  I've also met many fantastic and talented restaurateurs along the way who have woken up my taste buds with countless dishes I would never have thought to try.  It's a journey I plan to be on for a very long time and if I may borrow a phrase (somewhat) from the Boston-based rock band, Aerosmith, "Roadfood's a journey, not a destination.  And I just can't tell just what tomorrow brings."  That sense of wonder and excitement at what new-to-me Roadfood awaits is a HUGE part of the appeal.  May I never lose it!
     
    Just really felt the need to share...thanks for listening.
     
     
    post edited by billyboy - 2013/10/08 05:03:29
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 07:19:00 (permalink)
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    For example, tonight they presented Kelly O's in Pittsburgh.
    http://kellyos.com/
    After the show I tried looking it up on here and didn't see it anywhere. Maybe I just missed it.
    The place looked like it would qualify as a Roadfood Joint.
    Seems with all our "Yinzers" on here we would have at least had a mention of the place by now.
    This particular yinzer wrote about Kelly O's after a visit in 2007, a little more than halfway down page two in this thread.  I did revisit it twice more, my experiences were not as good and I moved on to better places.  The reason I didn't write about it more was because it didn't deserve it.   If you look at the top of page three of the same thread, another poster describes a really bad experience there.
     
    Outstanding post billyboy!!! 

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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 08:21:06 (permalink)
    Websites tend to go through active and inactive cycles, much like everything else.  I have to say RF here is in a low-traffic low-posting cycle.  I know I pop in daily but typically don't see much new to comment on, so head out elsewhere.  Perhaps traffic will pick up again.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 10:29:16 (permalink)
    There is a certain amount of herd mentality here in people chasing down what is listed in the restaurants in Roadfood.com or published in the Stern's books, and of course, where the more vocal members travel to. It kind of gets a tad self-limiting. The truth is there are an almost inexhaustible number of road food worthy restaurants and DDD is more in the business of finding them, and retreading doesn't garner ratings.
     
    Instead of tracking down what's been reported here and discussed I take the approach of embracing the spirit and definition of road food and try to seek out the unknown and new. It's hit or miss with me but it is fun and interesting. Maybe if I visit an area with a known to me popular Roadfood.com restaurant I might seek it out especially if it seems to be the best place to go and there is nothing else of intrigue. To make my quest more interesting, and sometimes very challenging outside the Midwest, I've deliberately set the breaded pork tenderloin sandwich as a primary pursuit. When I travel somewhere I kind of check over the list of restaurants, bars, diners and grills and try to guess which might be a likely BPT candidate. The most likely candidates usually don't have a strong Internet presence so that makes it more challenging. Secondarily, I like to seek out an interesting breakfast place and always checkout the brewpubs. I've had my share of pie but I leave that to Buffetbuster.
     
    I'm on the road a third of the year and have covered over 120,000 miles in our RV in just the past 8 years, and over 90% of those miles have been on the two-lane blue highways. And always take the business route through the old downtowns. I'm an architect but avoid big cities and architecture in general for the great outdoors.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 10:34:32 (permalink)
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    Websites tend to go through active and inactive cycles, much like everything else.  I have to say RF here is in a low-traffic low-posting cycle.  I know I pop in daily but typically don't see much new to comment on, so head out elsewhere.  Perhaps traffic will pick up again.

    Forum message boards like Roadfood.com came on strong about a dozen years ago and at one time were number one without much competition for social media. Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Google+, Instagram...have pretty much sucked the forum message boards dry to a certain extent. Things change. I remember when Compuserve was king of the hill.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 10:38:28 (permalink)
    Billy makes many great points, but the big one for me is that DDD isn't trying to be all things to all people. They don't do "off topic" shows. People tune in for discussions/info of a certain topic. This site used to be like that. It isn't any more.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 10:45:04 (permalink)
    New members or members making a new attempt do make an attempt to start threads about very relevant topics.

    Often times when that happens...personal conversations between other members do start happening & spill-over into a wisecracks followed by wisecracks or "speaking about that...I saw this or that on sale here or there for $6.99/lb and I'm gonna pick some up for this weekend" whatever and it goes from there....on & on & on.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 10:54:51 (permalink)
    CCinNJ

    New members or members making a new attempt do make an attempt to start threads about very relevant topics.

     
    True, but these represent a small fraction of what goes on here. If you liked the premise of DDD but they altered the show to include segments on baseball or guns, or how to guides on building a food truck, or who died this week, or just a discussion of what the staff had for dinner that week they would lose most of their existing audience. Perhaps others would tune in who liked the general discussion format, but it wouldn't be the same show. DDD "discusses" the topic that used to be the only topic of discussion here. The fact the show is popular seems to suggest there is still interest in that core topic.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 10:58:13 (permalink)
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    Forum message boards like Roadfood.com came on strong about a dozen years ago and at one time were number one without much competition for social media. Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Google+, Instagram...have pretty much sucked the forum message boards dry to a certain extent. Things change. I remember when Compuserve was king of the hill.

     
    Completely agree.  An era whos peak has past, perhaps will never be entirely gone, but will never rise again due to social , tech, and media changes.
     
    Architect?  Do you do residential addition blueprints?  I've been waiting on my architect for 6 months now, still nothing. 

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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 10:58:20 (permalink)
    I agree with you Tony...& DD&D also does not have enough drama to fill a daily Telenovela.
    post edited by CCinNJ - 2013/10/08 10:59:35
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 11:39:35 (permalink)
    The concept of participation inequality seems to apply here.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 11:52:34 (permalink)
    Roadfood to me is, trusted reviews from like minded people. DDD, may give me a heads up on a restaurant I need to seek more info about. I don't go to DDD reviewed restaurants just because they did a show. I will go, after I read more reviews backing up what I saw on the show, and also some reviews and pictures of other menu items. Anyone can be a one trick pony, I want to see how talented they are with the rest of their menu..........I have asked Billyboy many times for his opinion, I never had to ask him if he was sure this was a good choice.IMHO, if he tells me, it's written in stone................
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 12:43:21 (permalink)
    I like DDD and the show may be Out-Roadfooding Roadfood but that's their job.  None of us are actively employed to seek out new places to review here.  We comment and review because we want to, because we like it.  But we have one big advantage.  We can get together in any part of the country if we so desire, make new friends or meet up with old ones and partake in roadfood.  That, for me, is the best.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 13:36:53 (permalink)
    I search places I see on DDD on roadfood. They do come up every now and then here. Many of the places here are dated. Many do not even exist. The reports from members here are excellent.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 14:54:36 (permalink)
    This is a really good site to track down RF type places http://find.mapmuse.com/map/diners-guy  
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 15:02:11 (permalink)
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    Billy makes many great points, but the big one for me is that DDD isn't trying to be all things to all people. They don't do "off topic" shows. People tune in for discussions/info of a certain topic. This site used to be like that. It isn't any more.

     
    So, what you are saying is, if the "off topic" forum did not exist, you would not have to point out that fact, because this thread would never have existed?
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 15:36:07 (permalink)
    Davydd and WarToad make a good point regarding the 'evolution' of the reporting techniques for this subject.  I love to go thru my old Roadfood Books and since those days (of real publications) seem to be over, ths website has become a comfortable place to review, at my leisure new places as they are reported by the staff and the volunteer contributors here.
       I have watched DDD and Some of the other video-reporters--Adam Richman and others. While they are definitely subject-focused, the speed of the video clips, the constant repetition of the script for every segment, and the sameness of each report tends to wear me out before an episode finishes.  If they would create a library-  U-Tube style, with a list of all the place segments organized geographically, where I could review places in Western Kansas (for example), one segment at a time, I would probably make a lot more use of that than watching 30 minutes of commercial packed "program" racing thru 3 or 4 segments (nationwide) at breakneck speed, and not really having time to examine a piece of pie being recomended in one of those locations.
       The Social part of this website has developed a life of it's own, only connected to the main topic as a conversation starter between members. That social-growth has both good and bad points, and we have yet to see if it will evolve into a dynamic part of the site, or wither and fade away as FB and other media overtake it in form and function.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 16:48:39 (permalink)
    Davydd

    There is a certain amount of herd mentality here in people chasing down what is listed in the restaurants in Roadfood.com or published in the Stern's books, and of course, where the more vocal members travel to. It kind of gets a tad self-limiting. The truth is there are an almost inexhaustible number of road food worthy restaurants and DDD is more in the business of finding them, and retreading doesn't garner ratings. 

     
    I agree, if you look at my trip reports perhaps maybe 50% of the restaurants I've visited are either on roadfood.com or in the Stern's books, the other 50% are places that I've researched on my own. And although infrequent, there will everyonce in a while be a clunker,however  9 times out of 10 I've been extremely satisifed with my new finds.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 17:56:20 (permalink)
    Off topic social interaction is an important aspect of any forum. It allows people to get to know each other a bit more and brings people closer together to think of themselves as friends. For a forum it actually brings in more people to participate because in a off topic atmosphere everyone finds a niche of participation. For example a home bound person who can't really get out and explore road food may enjoy being a voyeur but can't fully participate. A topic they can participate in may pop up a blam! they break their own personal ice and get caught up in participating. It works.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 18:03:52 (permalink)
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    Davydd

    There is a certain amount of herd mentality here in people chasing down what is listed in the restaurants in Roadfood.com or published in the Stern's books, and of course, where the more vocal members travel to. It kind of gets a tad self-limiting. The truth is there are an almost inexhaustible number of road food worthy restaurants and DDD is more in the business of finding them, and retreading doesn't garner ratings. 


    I agree, if you look at my trip reports perhaps maybe 50% of the restaurants I've visited are either on roadfood.com or in the Stern's books, the other 50% are places that I've researched on my own. And although infrequent, there will everyonce in a while be a clunker,however  9 times out of 10 I've been extremely satisifed with my new finds.

    wj, I consider you one of the "more vocal members". Imagine what you could accomplish if you had a research staff and someone to transport your red convertible around the country.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 18:11:27 (permalink)
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    Davydd

    There is a certain amount of herd mentality here in people chasing down what is listed in the restaurants in Roadfood.com or published in the Stern's books, and of course, where the more vocal members travel to. It kind of gets a tad self-limiting. The truth is there are an almost inexhaustible number of road food worthy restaurants and DDD is more in the business of finding them, and retreading doesn't garner ratings. 


    I agree, if you look at my trip reports perhaps maybe 50% of the restaurants I've visited are either on roadfood.com or in the Stern's books, the other 50% are places that I've researched on my own. And although infrequent, there will everyonce in a while be a clunker,however  9 times out of 10 I've been extremely satisifed with my new finds.

    wj, I consider you one of the "more vocal members". Imagine what you could accomplish if you had a research staff and someone to transport your red convertible around the country.

     
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 20:31:19 (permalink)
    I find D.D. & D. a great supplement to either finding or spreading the word about 'RoadFood-type" places.  The publicity helps, as it will draw some general public away from chains and toward the small, independent places.  This will undoubtedly help keep at least some of them from going out of business.  Just think of how many great RF places have closed over the past couple decades.  Too many to think about.   Hopefully, DDD helps turn that around. 
     
    As for Guy Fieri,  the negative comments I have read against him make the complainers look petty and small.  He has a successful show that helps RF-type places thrive.   They should not be envious of that or belittle that.   They should applaud that.    Be positive.  Even if one disagrees with his shtick, his show is stll one of the good things out there.    It's a net positive for RoadFood-type restaurants.  
     
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 20:36:44 (permalink)
    DDD is about viewing and learning about new places.
     
    There isn't a finite list of Roadfood restaurants.
     
    Roadfood, "The Chatboard"  does some of the same but also adds the element of sharing and socializing.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 21:26:43 (permalink)
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    Tony Bad
    Billy makes many great points, but the big one for me is that DDD isn't trying to be all things to all people. They don't do "off topic" shows. People tune in for discussions/info of a certain topic. This site used to be like that. It isn't any more.


    So, what you are saying is, if the "off topic" forum did not exist, you would not have to point out that fact, because this thread would never have existed?


    Yes...or no.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 21:34:01 (permalink)
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    Off topic social interaction is an important aspect of any forum. It allows people to get to know each other a bit more and brings people closer together to think of themselves as friends. For a forum it actually brings in more people to participate because in a off topic atmosphere everyone finds a niche of participation. For example a home bound person who can't really get out and explore road food may enjoy being a voyeur but can't fully participate. A topic they can participate in may pop up a blam! they break their own personal ice and get caught up in participating. It works.


    I disagree. Off topic sections eventually kill a forum. The reason is that there is no end to off topic topics so they eventually bury the core "on topic" discussion. In my experiences, forums that have remained useful and valuable even in the shadow of the big players of social media are ones that remained true to their origins. Like a restaurant with too big a menu, trying to be all things to all people means you are not really good at any one thing.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 22:42:50 (permalink)
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    Davydd

    Off topic social interaction is an important aspect of any forum. It allows people to get to know each other a bit more and brings people closer together to think of themselves as friends. For a forum it actually brings in more people to participate because in a off topic atmosphere everyone finds a niche of participation. For example a home bound person who can't really get out and explore road food may enjoy being a voyeur but can't fully participate. A topic they can participate in may pop up a blam! they break their own personal ice and get caught up in participating. It works.


    I disagree. Off topic sections eventually kill a forum. The reason is that there is no end to off topic topics so they eventually bury the core "on topic" discussion. In my experiences, forums that have remained useful and valuable even in the shadow of the big players of social media are ones that remained true to their origins. Like a restaurant with too big a menu, trying to be all things to all people means you are not really good at any one thing.

    You can disagree but I'll stand by what I wrote. I too have the experience of nearly 30 years of practice and observation and proof. I was on the original team of forum leaders on America Online and built at the time the highest time usage of any online forum on AOL or anywhere else at the time in the Mac Graphics Forum and saw how it knocked off Compuserve who thought we (AOL) were the Barbarians destroying them and Usenet. I'll give you one anecdotal example of how that came off. Back in 1992 a German national started giving advice to others in the Mac Graphics Adobe Photoshop Forum I had set up. There was a lot of social off topic discussion in that forum and he complained to me. There were rules to follow he said like teacher and student. Very rigid Teutonic rules in his mind. So, I struck a deal with him and set him up with a subforum and made him a forum assistant to run as he saw fit as I thought the guy was a genius and extremely gifted. I monitored his subforum and noticed that it was getting looser and looser and way off topic and mostly social, but very popular. So, I asked him if he needed help to rein it in. His answer was "No, no, I like it this way." It helped that he was becoming a computer graphics industry celebrity and and his subforum was the foundation that created the most popular additions to Photoshop. That forum started out as KPTs or Kai's Power Tips on advice on how to use Photoshop and morphed into Kai's Power Tools software Photoshop plug-ins and a major computer graphics software company at the time. That guy was Kai Krause. He now lives in a Medieval castle on the Rhine River in Germany he calls Bitburg. The social aspect is what made the forum popular.
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 23:12:54 (permalink)
    I don't quite understand why people would ever assume or dismiss (without looking of course) what's for any meal in the misc. section or how those topics are non-Roadfood. It's not a trip report format but last I checked people can have a random meal out and share as they see fit.

    I spent 4 out of the last 6 months away from home and had many Roadfood meals in several Roadfood places. That's where I see fit to report it.
    post edited by CCinNJ - 2013/10/08 23:15:03
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 23:35:07 (permalink)
    Castles along the Rhine aside, to me, when 75% or more of a forum's traffic is "off topic" it has clearly evolved into a different beast. Not passing judgment on whether that is generally a good or bad thing...I was just commenting on why I feel this site may be getting "out roadfooded" as the original poster suggested.
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    CCinNJ
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    Re:Is DDD Out-Roadfooding Roadfood.com??? 2013/10/08 23:38:41 (permalink)
    If I ever stay in a Castle...I'm gonna do a trip report!
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