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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/12 23:42:22 (permalink)
I thought the players, the coaches and the fans handled the PSU - NB game today with class.
The only classless people there were the media. 
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/13 08:28:14 (permalink)
I especially liked the way Nebraska handled Penn State. Go Badgers!
 

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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/13 11:03:02 (permalink)
Thanks, MilwFoodlovers, for reminding me about Wisconsin which reminded me about the most exciting Bowl game I can remember -  the 1963 Rose Bowl.  Here is the late, great Jim Murray's account of that game: 
 
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jan/04/sports/sp-murray4
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/13 11:05:54 (permalink)
Foodbme

I thought the players, the coaches and the fans handled the PSU - NB game today with class.
The only classless people there were the media


A-men, brother!
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 09:28:48 (permalink)
Foodbme

I thought the players, the coaches and the fans handled the PSU - NB game today with class.
The only classless people there were the media. 
+1.
 
Well said. 

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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 09:48:06 (permalink)
Speaking of the media, according to the promos I've seen Bob Costas will be discussing the scandal with Brian Williams on NBC's "Rock Central" at 10pm EST tonight.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 10:33:01 (permalink)
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Speaking of the media, according to the promos I've seen Bob Costas will be discussing the scandal with Brian Williams on NBC's "Rock Central" at 10pm EST tonight.


Oh boy, I can hardly wait!  A grand jury investigates this for 11 months and finds no culpability of Coach Paterno's part, yet I'm sure these "walking weiners" will, with the 20/20 hindsight of the Monday Morning Quarterback "convict" him.
 
And speaking of convictions, Jerry Sandusky has yet to be convicted of anything. 
 
If he actually committed the vile acts alleged, then by all means he should be punished to the full extent of the law.  In the meantime, is he not due the same presumption of innocence that Williams and his ilk want to extend even to the "underwear bomber" and the Ft. Hood (alleged)killer?
 
The fact that the media puts Paterno's face on this and leads every story with him is almost as vile as Sandusky's alleged acts!
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 11:22:06 (permalink)
Oh, please!  That rant is nuts on so many counts.
* Just because someone did not commit a crime does not mean they are absolved morally.
* You assume what Rock Central WILL say, then criticize them for YOUR assumptions.
* Who has said Sandusky will not receive a presumption of innocence by the courts?
* Why imply that Williams and his "ilk," whatever that means, are softer on terrorists than on Sandusky.  That's plain lunacy.
* Paterno is a famous person.  Sandusky is not.  That's the main reason Paterno gets most of the attention.  People do immoral things by the millions every day but the public wants to hear about the ones done by famous people.  It's not "the media's" fault.
* Paterno has made a lifelong show of his character and morality, which makes his public failing (to those who think what he did exhibited a moral failing) more significant and newsworthy.
* To claim that Paterno as the face of this story is almost as vile as the rape of young boys... well, that just leaves me speechless.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 12:25:46 (permalink)
"The fact that the media puts Paterno's face on this and leads every story with him is almost as vile as Sandusky's alleged acts!"  Metroplex Jim
 
No. That is disgusting. Whatever happens with the media and Joe Paterno is not one millionth of one percent as vile as what happened to these children.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 12:52:20 (permalink)
Leave it alone, boys. It will all come out in the end. I only hope the victims recover enough to lead normal lives.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 13:50:18 (permalink)
 I'm with Ann.
 
I find it interesting that Law and Order SVU had an ironically similar story a few weeks prior to this story breaking.
 
It was more about the perpetrator, but still... it was about a well known coach abusing his students.
 
Inside information?  A lot of their stories come from true cases.
 
My feelings on the case are that anyone with any information that this was occuring should have made it public and if they didn't, they are in the wrong. 
 
This is not something that you just tell another and then wash your hands of it.
 
Pray for the kids.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 18:44:04 (permalink)
One of my thoughts on this issue is timing.
 
JoePa becomes winningest coach one week, scandal breaks and is fired the next.  Im wondering if PSU saw this coming, and let him reach the record before publically reacting.
 
The Big Ten stripped JoePa's name off the conference trophy today, what next?
 
If he did know all along and did nothing.... Shame On JoePa.
 
I want to hear "The rest of the story" before making a final decision.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 19:09:16 (permalink)
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The Big Ten stripped JoePa's name off the conference trophy today, what next?


Paterno's name never did not belong on the trophy.  Penn State won national titles as an independent, but has produced mediocre teams since joining the Big Ten. 
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 21:30:29 (permalink)
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The Big Ten stripped JoePa's name off the conference trophy today, what next?


Paterno's name never did not belong on the trophy.  Penn State won national titles as an independent, but has produced mediocre teams since joining the Big Ten. 

Paterno did produce mediocre teams that fit nicely in a mediocre conference! (With the exception of Wisconsin, of course)
Also, never could understand how Lombardi's name got on the Super Bowl Trophy.
Just should have been called "The Goodyear, Pepsi, Coke, Oscar Meyer, Budweiser. Coors, Proctor & Gamble, Frito-Ley and everybody else NFL Championship Trophy". 
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/14 23:31:34 (permalink)
Yeah, the Stagg-Alvarez Trophy does have a nice ring to it.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/15 10:12:17 (permalink)
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* To claim that Paterno as the face of this story is almost as vile as the rape of young boys... well, that just leaves me speechless.


Let me help you:  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/15 10:37:31 (permalink)
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* You assume what Rock Central WILL say, then criticize them for YOUR assumptions. 
* Why imply that Williams and his "ilk," whatever that means, are softer on terrorists than on Sandusky.  That's plain lunacy.

Mea culpa!  Bob Costas' interview of Sandusky was in fact both excellent and fair.  Further, Brian Williams' commentary was not only fair and reflective; it was almost poetic.
 
Frankly, I was both surprised and pleased that they focused on the one who was indicted and the victims rather than Coach Paterno. 
 
The Rock Center segment was a welcome relief from the iconoclasm and Schadenfreude that, in my view, has characterized most media coverage.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/15 10:46:32 (permalink)
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* Paterno is a famous person.  Sandusky is not.  That's the main reason Paterno gets most of the attention.  People do immoral things by the millions every day but the public wants to hear about the ones done by famous people.  It's not "the media's" fault.
* Paterno has made a lifelong show of his character and morality, which makes his public failing (to those who think what he did exhibited a moral failing) more significant and newsworthy.


And speaking of iconoclasm and Schadenfreude ...
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/15 13:02:14 (permalink)
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"The fact that the media puts Paterno's face on this and leads every story with him is almost as vile as Sandusky's alleged acts!"  Metroplex Jim

No. That is disgusting. Whatever happens with the media and Joe Paterno is not one millionth of one percent as vile as what happened to these children.

The fact remains: "JoePa" (the nickname has always made me cringe) may not be indicted. But he turned his back on a known incident of child sexual abuse. And that makes him scum.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/15 18:49:45 (permalink)
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"The fact that the media puts Paterno's face on this and leads every story with him is almost as vile as Sandusky's alleged acts!"  Metroplex Jim

No. That is disgusting. Whatever happens with the media and Joe Paterno is not one millionth of one percent as vile as what happened to these children.

The fact remains: "JoePa" (the nickname has always made me cringe) may not be indicted. But he turned his back on a known incident of child sexual abuse. And that makes him scum.


I thought I'd put a little ketchup on that word just in case forthcoming facts dictate that you eat it.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/15 19:47:22 (permalink)
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The Big Ten stripped JoePa's name off the conference trophy today, what next?


Paterno's name never did not belong on the trophy.  Penn State won national titles as an independent, but has produced mediocre teams since joining the Big Ten. 

Paterno did produce mediocre teams that fit nicely in a mediocre conference! (With the exception of Wisconsin, of course)
Also, never could understand how Lombardi's name got on the Super Bowl Trophy.
Just should have been called "The Goodyear, Pepsi, Coke, Oscar Meyer, Budweiser. Coors, Proctor & Gamble, Frito-Ley and everybody else NFL Championship Trophy". 


With no disrespect whatsoever meant, I believe that it is fair to say of both Rockne and Lombardi that their "standing" was enhanced by their unfortunate, premature deaths.  And I'm not immune to such sentiment; I really wish the Bucs would play at "Clemente Field" rather than PNC Park.
 
I also really wish that, after the facts and circumstances become known, that Beaver Stadium will resume its once inevitable destiny to become "Paterno Stadium".
 
(BTW: I'm sure that my "ranting" about not rushing to judgment about Paterno leads some to believe that I have a PSU "background".  Aside from having a few speaking engagements there I have no connection to PSU save for being a native Pennsylvanian).
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/15 21:27:26 (permalink)
Lombardi was a damn good coach and pretty much set a precedent for good old fashioned football. He was not, however, involved with scandals such as Mr. Paterno is.I am not saying Paterno wasnt a fantastic coach, and I really feel he got a bad deal, but to not understand the Lombardi trophy, to me, is not understanding football.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/15 21:29:24 (permalink)
I would put a pedophile in a microwave oven, on low, for about an hour, thing is, I want to hear from the kids abused, I haven't, What's going on?
 
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/16 15:56:16 (permalink)
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I would put a pedophile in a microwave oven, on low, for about an hour, thing is, I want to hear from the kids abused, I haven't, What's going on?


Odds are really good you won't. Typically abused kids do not speak the national media, unless they're in it for something other than justice. It's not something they enjoy talking about, much less being grilled under studio lights about.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/18 22:19:23 (permalink)
And now the rest of the story.
 
JOE PA HAS LUNG CANCER

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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/19 11:28:53 (permalink)
He sold his half a million $ plus home to his wife for a buck?
Sounds like he's afraid he may lose it in a a lawsuit and is trying to shelter/hide it.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/19 19:10:53 (permalink)
It was interesting to watch Jay Paterno in today's game with Ohio State. His sideline mannerisms were much the same as his dad's. He was really into the game today as opposed to the Nebraska game. I hope this mess doesn't hurt his coaching career. He seems like a nice guy and has handled the circumstances and the media very well.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/11/19 21:26:34 (permalink)
While the facts presented so far from the indictment are in themselves damning, there's little question that much more is going to come out of this story. There seems to be a 4 month or so interval that things were going on for crisis mitigation and damage control. Much more appears to be going on that hopefully will come to light. Joe's right about witholding judgement, until we know the rest of the story, not just the sensational and rumors the news outlets are parroting. Lest we forget the egregious railroading the press,authorities, and rumor mill had a hand in rushing to judgement the Duke lacrosse defendants and how that turned out. What's happened to the victims as we know of it is reprehensible, yet too many people over the years knew of it and it's going to trickle out who knew what, when, and what  if anything they did about it. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of little people that will have plenty to contribute that before they were fearful of their job secrurity or reprisals and kept silent. No doubt Paterno was wrong on the face of it, but until we know know more and the circumstances involved can he and his career be accurately judged.
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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/12/12 09:51:35 (permalink)
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And now the rest of the story.

JOE PA HAS LUNG CANCER

And a broken hip. 

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Re:Joe Pa Fired 2011/12/12 12:58:47 (permalink)
CajunKing

And now the rest of the story.



http://apnews.excite.com/article/20111212/D9RJ0BU01.html
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