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Pwingsx

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Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 1:07 AM (permalink)
Am I the only one in the world who thinks maybe Kenneth Lay isn't dead, but maybe somewhere in the Cayman Islands, or some other island paradise? No body at his memorial. No viewing.

....slinking back into conspiracyland......
 
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    The Travelin Man

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    RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 1:20 AM (permalink)
    Well, death would be too good for him. If he is not dead, may he die a much more horrific and painful death....hopefully, penniless, like he left most of his employees.
     
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      mr chips

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      RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 1:20 AM (permalink)
      I foresee a plot for a Law and Order episode.
       
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        Tedbear

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        RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 6:16 AM (permalink)
        quote:
        Originally posted by Pwingsx

        Am I the only one in the world who thinks maybe Kenneth Lay isn't dead, but maybe somewhere in the Cayman Islands, or some other island paradise? No body at his memorial. No viewing.

        ....slinking back into conspiracyland......



        No, you are not the only one who thought about this possibility. Although we are probably wrong about him faking his death, the fact remains that he had/has both the financial means and the motivation for doing something like that. And, if there was/is no body to view at his memorial service, it certainly does raise this possibility to a suspiciously realistic scenario.

        Of course, the U.S. Justice Department should be checking this out, since they do want him to serve his sentence. Or, would they just blithely look the other way as a final favor for Mr. Bush's personal friend, "Kenny Boy"?
         
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          Jimeats

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          RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 9:04 AM (permalink)
          He has already been sighted with Elvis at a landromat. Chow Jim
           
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            V960

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            RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 9:42 AM (permalink)
            I sold both Cisco and Enron at the the top through pure stupidity...no timing...just needed the money. God is good.
             
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              mr chips

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              RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 10:36 AM (permalink)
              Portland has a lot of people who suffered because of Mr. Lay. Enron bought Portland General Electric(PGE,one of our local electric companies)in 1997. A lot of PGE employees lost their pensions and 401k's in the Enron meltdown.
               
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                roossy90

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                RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 2:36 PM (permalink)
                quote:
                Originally posted by Jimeats

                He has already been sighted with Elvis at a landromat. Chow Jim

                Jim Morrison and Mama Cass were slugging down Wild Turkey while it spin dried!
                 
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                  NYNM

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                  RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 4:55 PM (permalink)
                  Maybe he should have to serve anyway.
                   
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                    John A

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                    RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 6:20 PM (permalink)
                    quote:
                    Originally posted by roossy90

                    quote:
                    Originally posted by Jimeats

                    He has already been sighted with Elvis at a landromat. Chow Jim

                    Jim Morrison and Mama Cass were slugging down Wild Turkey while it spin dried!


                    Did they all leave the building together?

                    John
                     
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                      WVHillbilly

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                      RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 7:26 PM (permalink)
                      Pitifully, his lawyers are now busy trying to make sure his fortune is safe by getting his conviction declared null because he died before he could appeal it up to the Supreme Court.
                      pitiful
                       
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                        ocdreamr

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                        RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 8:23 PM (permalink)
                        quote:
                        Originally posted by WVHillbilly

                        Pitifully, his lawyers are now busy trying to make sure his fortune is safe by getting his conviction declared null because he died before he could appeal it up to the Supreme Court.
                        pitiful


                        His lawyers have nothing to do with it. That's the law, if you die before sentencing, it's wiped out automatically. Funny thing is, this was just recently on one of the cable reality cop shows. (maybe he got his idea from it.) I was listening to a newscaster the other night & she was saying that all of his personal fortune 9.5 million or so is going to creditors, they get firsties on it. Then his family gets 10 million from his life insurance policy (untouchable because it was never his!) Does kinda make ya wonder about the theories doesn't it??
                         
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                          UncleVic

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                          RE: Kenneth Lay Mon, 07/10/06 11:52 PM (permalink)
                          Sipping on a cold one, next to blue waters and white sand... Who better to have then a lying president as a freind? Least they could have done was fake some pictures of his body... I tell ya, goverment is slacking nowdays...

                           
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                            oltheimmer

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                            RE: Kenneth Lay Tue, 07/11/06 2:53 AM (permalink)
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by Tedbear

                            quote:
                            Originally posted by Pwingsx

                            Am I the only one in the world who thinks maybe Kenneth Lay isn't dead, but maybe somewhere in the Cayman Islands, or some other island paradise? No body at his memorial. No viewing.

                            ....slinking back into conspiracyland......



                            No, you are not the only one who thought about this possibility. Although we are probably wrong about him faking his death, the fact remains that he had/has both the financial means and the motivation for doing something like that. And, if there was/is no body to view at his memorial service, it certainly does raise this possibility to a suspiciously realistic scenario.

                            Of course, the U.S. Justice Department should be checking this out, since they do want him to serve his sentence. Or, would they just blithely look the other way as a final favor for Mr. Bush's personal friend, "Kenny Boy"?
                            Public opinion around here about Kenny has been overwhelmingly negative but I think many people are still in shock over his death. Former Enron employees have gotten on with their lives; I don't know if I could have done that after what some of them lost. I've been very busy and haven't seen much on tv, but in addition to there being no body, I haven't seen any shots of grieving family members - maybe they're not grieving?

                            Most of the Enron prosecution team was brought in from elsewhere because so many of the members of the US Attorney's office here either owned stock in Enron or knew someone who worked there. They spent many, many months over several years away from their families pursuing this case; I'm sure they'll be looking at the coroner's report very carefully. Whatever comes of it we'll hear conspiracy theories for years.

                            Jeff Skilling was said to be 'devastated' and I'm sure he was; Kenny just took one of his options off the table .

                            ocdreamer is unfortunately correct; now and forever, Ken Lay is officially innocent of all charges.
                             
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                              kland01s

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                              RE: Kenneth Lay Tue, 07/11/06 1:27 PM (permalink)
                              quote:
                              Originally posted by Parses6

                              quote:
                              Originally posted by UncleVic

                              Sipping on a cold one, next to blue waters and white sand... Who better to have then a lying president as a freind? Least they could have done was fake some pictures of his body... I tell ya, goverment is slacking nowdays...




                              Yeah Bill Clinton and Kenneth Lay were pretty close friends and golfing buddies.


                              I thought it was the Bush family that he was real close with.
                               
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                                Pwingsx

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                                RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 1:47 PM (permalink)
                                Note how quickly and quietly the story faded from view.

                                Yup, he's still out there.
                                 
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                                  ctrueder

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                                  RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 2:49 PM (permalink)
                                  WHOA!!! Hold on a minute . . . you Clinton-bashers!

                                  For many years, his (Lay's) corporation was the single biggest contributor to President Bush, who nicknamed him "Kenny Boy."

                                  Now, Dubya and his old man were "into" their old Houston buddy "Kenny Boy" like white on rice (or, perhaps, in some more intimate ways . . . oh, never mind!)

                                  AND, this is from a guy who was born and raised in Houston and who was a professor at the University of Houston (and we "profs" always get the low-down! HeeHee!)

                                  Now, as an all-seeing, all-knowing Houston "prof" . . . I can tell you that Kenneth Lay's "death" is Bulls***! The Bushies are taking care of their "boy!"

                                   
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                                    Dipstick

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                                    RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 4:03 PM (permalink)
                                    quote:
                                    Originally posted by ctrueder

                                    WHOA!!! Hold on a minute . . . you Clinton-bashers!

                                    For many years, his (Lay's) corporation was the single biggest contributor to President Bush, who nicknamed him "Kenny Boy."

                                    Now, Dubya and his old man were "into" their old Houston buddy "Kenny Boy" like white on rice (or, perhaps, in some more intimate ways . . . oh, never mind!)

                                    AND, this is from a guy who was born and raised in Houston and who was a professor at the University of Houston (and we "profs" always get the low-down! HeeHee!)

                                    Now, as an all-seeing, all-knowing Houston "prof" . . . I can tell you that Kenneth Lay's "death" is Bulls***! The Bushies are taking care of their "boy!"



                                    My beltway theory just keeps getting more and more support!!!
                                     
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                                      seafarer john

                                      RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 4:27 PM (permalink)
                                      Please forgive me for this:

                                      There once was a crook named Ken Lay
                                      Who was found guilty in court one day.
                                      But he beat the rap
                                      when we swallowed the crap
                                      That he'd died and they'd laid him away.

                                      Cheers, John
                                       
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                                        Michael Hoffman

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                                        RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 4:33 PM (permalink)
                                        Did this guy have a restaurant, or something else to do with food? If not, I can't help wondering why there's so much talk about him here.
                                         
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                                          sinkiller

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                                          RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 4:51 PM (permalink)
                                          quote:
                                          Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

                                          Did this guy have a restaurant, or something else to do with food? If not, I can't help wondering why there's so much talk about him here.


                                          He made great Potatochips
                                           
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                                            seafarer john

                                            RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 4:54 PM (permalink)
                                            Michael, I guess that's a rhetorical question that demands no answer, but I'm going to give one anhow.

                                            Ken Lay was (is) an American icon. His legend has it that he was a friend of a president, a great philanthropist, had a ball park named for his company, worked hard to build his industry, earned by hard work every penny he had, came up from near poverty to great riches and power and influence...

                                            But in the end his reputation turned out to be built on a pack of lies. His defence in court was that he had fallen victim to a bunch of crooks (people he had hired and promoted), that he knew nothing about finance or management, that he was just a little ole boy from a small town, that he had no idea what was going on in his company, and that he was flat broke so we should feel sorry for him...

                                            So why shouldn't we be talking about him in the miscellaneous non- food forum ?
                                            And why shouldn't we be allowed to take a little pleasure and kick around the downfallen corpse of the once rich and powerful man who sat at the right hand of presidents?

                                            Cheers, John
                                             
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                                              mayor al

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                                              RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 4:55 PM (permalink)
                                              Those chips were a bit oily though!!
                                               
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                                                Jimeats

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                                                RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 5:45 PM (permalink)
                                                quote:
                                                Originally posted by seafarer john

                                                Michael, I guess that's a rhetorical question that demands no answer, but I'm going to give one anhow.

                                                Ken Lay was (is) an American icon. His legend has it that he was a friend of a president, a great philanthropist, had a ball park named for his company, worked hard to build his industry, earned by hard work every penny he had, came up from near poverty to great riches and power and influence...

                                                But in the end his reputation turned out to be built on a pack of lies. His defence in court was that he had fallen victim to a bunch of crooks (people he had hired and promoted), that he knew nothing about finance or management, that he was just a little ole boy from a small town, that he had no idea what was going on in his company, and that he was flat broke so we should feel sorry for him...

                                                So why shouldn't we be talking about him in the miscellaneous non- food forum ?
                                                And why shouldn't we be allowed to take a little pleasure and kick around the downfallen corpse of the once rich and powerful man who sat at the right hand of presidents?

                                                Cheers, John
                                                Gee, Sounds like Jimmy Carter. Chow Jim
                                                 
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                                                  Tedbear

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                                                  RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 6:42 PM (permalink)
                                                  quote:
                                                  Originally posted by Jimeats

                                                  quote:
                                                  Originally posted by seafarer john

                                                  Michael, I guess that's a rhetorical question that demands no answer, but I'm going to give one anhow.

                                                  Ken Lay was (is) an American icon. His legend has it that he was a friend of a president, a great philanthropist, had a ball park named for his company, worked hard to build his industry, earned by hard work every penny he had, came up from near poverty to great riches and power and influence...

                                                  But in the end his reputation turned out to be built on a pack of lies. His defence in court was that he had fallen victim to a bunch of crooks (people he had hired and promoted), that he knew nothing about finance or management, that he was just a little ole boy from a small town, that he had no idea what was going on in his company, and that he was flat broke so we should feel sorry for him...

                                                  So why shouldn't we be talking about him in the miscellaneous non- food forum ?
                                                  And why shouldn't we be allowed to take a little pleasure and kick around the downfallen corpse of the once rich and powerful man who sat at the right hand of presidents?

                                                  Cheers, John
                                                  Gee, Sounds like Jimmy Carter. Chow Jim



                                                  I must have missed out on seeing Ken Lay's work on behalf of human rights or with Habitat For Humanity. How many houses did he build while I wasn't looking?
                                                   
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                                                    EdSails

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                                                    RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 7:51 PM (permalink)
                                                    quote:
                                                    Originally posted by WVHillbilly

                                                    Pitifully, his lawyers are now busy trying to make sure his fortune is safe by getting his conviction declared null because he died before he could appeal it up to the Supreme Court.
                                                    pitiful

                                                    Convenient, isn't it?
                                                     
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                                                      seafarer john

                                                      RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 9:33 PM (permalink)
                                                      What I remember about Jimmy Carter is that he was honest, modest, frugal, careing, and never bilked an employee or stockholder out of a penny in his life. And unlike our current president, when things went bad in the failed rescue mission in Iran he took the responsibility - compare that, if you dare, with our current president.

                                                      cheers, John
                                                       
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                                                        sinkiller

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                                                        RE: Kenneth Lay Wed, 07/12/06 9:48 PM (permalink)
                                                        quote:
                                                        Originally posted by Al-The Mayor-Bowen

                                                        Those chips were a bit oily though!!


                                                        Maybe so, no one knew til later.
                                                         
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                                                          Pwingsx

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                                                          RE: Kenneth Lay Thu, 07/13/06 12:46 AM (permalink)
                                                          Seafarer, I'm with you about Carter. A decent, good man. Maybe not the best president, but he TRIED.

                                                          I love the Lay's potato chips slant.
                                                           
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                                                            caratzas

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                                                            RE: Kenneth Lay Thu, 07/13/06 12:58 AM (permalink)
                                                            quote:
                                                            Originally posted by WVHillbilly

                                                            Pitifully, his lawyers are now busy trying to make sure his fortune is safe by getting his conviction declared null because he died before he could appeal it up to the Supreme Court.
                                                            pitiful


                                                            I don't even think his lawyers have to push for that; my understanding is it's automatic. That's just the way the U.S. justice system works -- the right to appeal is considered so fundamental that the entire proceeding is treated, LEGALLY, as if it never occurred. This doesn't change the real-world fact that he was convicted.

                                                            There are two complications here that I guess you could say his estate lucked into: First, since there won't be any sentencing or fines the court can't seize any of his assets as punishment for the criminal case (remember, as far as the law is concerned, the whole arrest/indictment/trial/conviction NEVER HAPPENED.) Second, any party seeking remedy for his actions in a civil suit (this can still happen) won't be able to use the conviction in making their case; this means they'll have to do more work to prevail.
                                                             
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