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Re:Kosher Food...? Wed, 08/12/09 1:59 PM (permalink)
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    Re:Kosher Food...? Wed, 08/12/09 4:07 PM (permalink)
    Big Ugly Mich


    In the slaughterhouse I toured, they slit the cow's throat and let it bleed to death on the floor. Cruelty to animals is my problem, even though I have no problem killing for meat or other uses.


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      Re:Kosher Food...? Wed, 08/12/09 4:18 PM (permalink)
      The Travelin Man


      Big Ugly Mich


      In the slaughterhouse I toured, they slit the cow's throat and let it bleed to death on the floor. Cruelty to animals is my problem, even though I have no problem killing for meat or other uses.


      To quote an underutilized source on this site...one Archie Bunker....

      Would you prefer if they was pushed outta windows?
       




       
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        Michael_Germany

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        Re:Kosher Food...? Wed, 08/12/09 4:35 PM (permalink)
        Greetings, Roadfooders!

        Thank you all for the infos and links, some of the jewish/kosher recipes look very tasty...

        Kind regards

        Michael
         
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          Re:Kosher Food...? Sat, 08/15/09 2:30 PM (permalink)
          Big Ugly Mich
          Michael_Germany
          The animals are killed by hand, observed by a muslim priest. What is wrong about this, and what is wrong about the jewish butchery...?
          In the slaughterhouse I toured, they slit the cow's throat and let it bleed to death on the floor. Cruelty to animals is my problem, even though I have no problem killing for meat or other uses.

          Actually, in kosher slaughter, death is almost instantaneous. If the animal is not dead within about 2 seconds, the meat is not kosher. The shoket (trained butcher) must use a sharp knife, with no nicks (a single nick renders the animal non-kosher), and with a single swipe, must cut through the entire carotid artery and AT LEAST half the windpipe (they usually go for the whole windpipe). The idea is to minimize suffering while maximizing blood drainage, which largely takes place after death.

          While virtually all parts of the animal are kosher, there are certain parts, notably a vein that goes through the leg and is extraordinarily difficult to remove entirely, that are not, which is why most kosher butchers don't bother, and just sell the meat from the parts that contain the vein to non-Jews. The prohibition against mixing dairy products and meat, while theoretically just applying to mammals, is applied to poultry for the purpose of playing it safe. Out of commonly eaten meats, pretty much all farm-raised poultry is fine, as is meat from cows, sheep, and, if farm raised, bison and venison. Meat from pigs is explicitly forbidden. Fish need to have scales AND fins, but do not have to be slaughtered in the way other animals need to be.

          Pretty much any sign of disease renders an animal non-kosher.

          Note that in Judaism, there are strong prohibitions against unnecessary cruelty to animals.
           
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            Re:Kosher Food...? Sat, 08/15/09 2:36 PM (permalink)
            bartl


            Big Ugly Mich
            Michael_Germany
            The animals are killed by hand, observed by a muslim priest. What is wrong about this, and what is wrong about the jewish butchery...?
            In the slaughterhouse I toured, they slit the cow's throat and let it bleed to death on the floor. Cruelty to animals is my problem, even though I have no problem killing for meat or other uses.

            Actually, in kosher slaughter, death is almost instantaneous. If the animal is not dead within about 2 seconds, the meat is not kosher. The shoket (trained butcher) must use a sharp knife, with no nicks (a single nick renders the animal non-kosher), and with a single swipe, must cut through the entire carotid artery and AT LEAST half the windpipe (they usually go for the whole windpipe). The idea is to minimize suffering while maximizing blood drainage, which largely takes place after death.

            While virtually all parts of the animal are kosher, there are certain parts, notably a vein that goes through the leg and is extraordinarily difficult to remove entirely, that are not, which is why most kosher butchers don't bother, and just sell the meat from the parts that contain the vein to non-Jews. The prohibition against mixing dairy products and meat, while theoretically just applying to mammals, is applied to poultry for the purpose of playing it safe. Out of commonly eaten meats, pretty much all farm-raised poultry is fine, as is meat from cows, sheep, and, if farm raised, bison and venison. Meat from pigs is explicitly forbidden. Fish need to have scales AND fins, but do not have to be slaughtered in the way other animals need to be.

            Pretty much any sign of disease renders an animal non-kosher.

            Note that in Judaism, there are strong prohibitions against unnecessary cruelty to animals.




            Thank you.
            This was the clearest explanation of the process I have read.
             
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              Re:Kosher Food...? Tue, 08/18/09 2:43 PM (permalink)
               
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                Re:Kosher Food...? Tue, 09/7/10 5:00 PM (permalink)
                bartl


                Big Ugly Mich
                Michael_Germany
                The animals are killed by hand, observed by a muslim priest. What is wrong about this, and what is wrong about the jewish butchery...?
                In the slaughterhouse I toured, they slit the cow's throat and let it bleed to death on the floor. Cruelty to animals is my problem, even though I have no problem killing for meat or other uses.

                Actually, in kosher slaughter, death is almost instantaneous. If the animal is not dead within about 2 seconds, the meat is not kosher. The shoket (trained butcher) must use a sharp knife, with no nicks (a single nick renders the animal non-kosher), and with a single swipe, must cut through the entire carotid artery and AT LEAST half the windpipe (they usually go for the whole windpipe). The idea is to minimize suffering while maximizing blood drainage, which largely takes place after death.

                While virtually all parts of the animal are kosher, there are certain parts, notably a vein that goes through the leg and is extraordinarily difficult to remove entirely, that are not, which is why most kosher butchers don't bother, and just sell the meat from the parts that contain the vein to non-Jews. The prohibition against mixing dairy products and meat, while theoretically just applying to mammals, is applied to poultry for the purpose of playing it safe. Out of commonly eaten meats, pretty much all farm-raised poultry is fine, as is meat from cows, sheep, and, if farm raised, bison and venison. Meat from pigs is explicitly forbidden. Fish need to have scales AND fins, but do not have to be slaughtered in the way other animals need to be.

                Pretty much any sign of disease renders an animal non-kosher.

                Note that in Judaism, there are strong prohibitions against unnecessary cruelty to animals.

                 
                Thanks for sharing, its been so long since this question bubbling in mind. Now I know how their meat in kosher new York being prepare.


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