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RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/16/07 3:34 PM (permalink)
quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Bilmes & Sue Boyle

Mario Cuomo did once kinda sorta say there was no Mafia, but when you read/hear what he said in context it's pretty clear he didn't really believe it. He was just getting hot under the collar when reporters were asking him about a smear campaign at the time that suggested he was connected to that very Mafia.


In other words he lied.
 
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    John Fox

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    RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/16/07 3:56 PM (permalink)
    He lied. And whether or not you think he himself believed it, it was clear that he was trying to get his audience to believe there was no Mafia. That's why Giuliani responded the way he did.
     
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      RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/16/07 4:05 PM (permalink)
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      In other words he lied.


      Nah, no more so than when Gerald Ford insisted the Soviet Bloc didn't exist. Ford wasn't lying, but he obviously knew the Soviet Bloc did exist. It was just one of those things that the spin-meisters pounce on, then, 20 years ago, and today.
       
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        RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/16/07 4:17 PM (permalink)
        quote:
        Originally posted by John Fox

        He lied. And whether or not you think he himself believed it, it was clear that he was trying to get his audience to believe there was no Mafia. That's why Giuliani responded the way he did.


        Yes, Giuliani, Republican mayor of NYC, was so outraged that a few years later he endorsed Mario Cuomo for governor over his Republican challenger.
         
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          RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/16/07 4:37 PM (permalink)
          Politicians do not lie, they simply have fact checkers who must be made to pay. Similarly, they do not have human emotions other feelings other than envy and greed, so any outrage is just for show.
           
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            RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/16/07 4:45 PM (permalink)
            quote:
            Originally posted by Bruce Bilmes & Sue Boyle

            quote:
            Originally posted by John Fox

            He lied. And whether or not you think he himself believed it, it was clear that he was trying to get his audience to believe there was no Mafia. That's why Giuliani responded the way he did.


            Yes, Giuliani, Republican mayor of NYC, was so outraged that a few years later he endorsed Mario Cuomo for governor over his Republican challenger.


            No one said Giuliani was outraged. He was incredulous that someone, regardless of their motivation, would make such a statement as the Mafia not existing. And if you know Cuomo, you know he was always measured in everything he said. Not as prone to misspeak as Ford. As for Giuliani, endorsing Cuomo over Pataki was a mistake. I'm not a big fan of Giuliani, but as a succesful prosecutor, I'll take his word about organized crime before I'll take Coumo's. Maybe Rudy endorsed Cuomo because Mario made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
             
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              RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/16/07 5:36 PM (permalink)
              Back to the OP's question

              I don't think he will have to worry about any outside influences except for the local municipalities.

              Check with the other vendors around the stadium though they may be hired by the concession dept at the stadium.
               
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                RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/16/07 6:09 PM (permalink)
                quote:


                No one said Giuliani was outraged. He was incredulous that someone, regardless of their motivation, would make such a statement as the Mafia not existing.


                Well sure, who wouldn't be incredulous? It's a ridiculous statement. But then Rudy, intelligent man that he is, saw the big picture - that Mario was neither lying nor misinformed, but was simply reacting in an inappropriate way to what he saw as an anti-Italian attack. It's not as if Cuomo made a sustained and repeated effort to convince people there was no Mafia. Sure, one can make political hay with statements like that, but in the "real world" it's no big deal.

                Oh, and just one other thing: Mario Cuomo was most assuredly NOT measured and careful in the things he said. He is a great speaker, but is also known as a hothead who could say all sorts of inappropriate things when ticked off.
                 
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                  RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/16/07 7:54 PM (permalink)
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by Bruce Bilmes & Sue Boyle

                  quote:


                  No one said Giuliani was outraged. He was incredulous that someone, regardless of their motivation, would make such a statement as the Mafia not existing.


                  Well sure, who wouldn't be incredulous? It's a ridiculous statement. But then Rudy, intelligent man that he is, saw the big picture - that Mario was neither lying nor misinformed, but was simply reacting in an inappropriate way to what he saw as an anti-Italian attack. It's not as if Cuomo made a sustained and repeated effort to convince people there was no Mafia. Sure, one can make political hay with statements like that, but in the "real world" it's no big deal.

                  Oh, and just one other thing: Mario Cuomo was most assuredly NOT measured and careful in the things he said. He is a great speaker, but is also known as a hothead who could say all sorts of inappropriate things when ticked off.


                  Well, I'm glad you agree that it was a ridiculous statement. Too many people, in my opinion, doubt either the existence or influence of organized crime. I'm going on memory regarding what I saw on tv years ago but I took it as Cuomo trying to convince everyone there was no Mafia. And I don't believe he was misinformed to the extent that he possibly believed what he was saying.

                  Cuomo was measured and careful when giving a prepared speech or in a press conference. And most of the time in a debate like format. But he was a hothead and extremely thin skinned as well.
                   
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                    RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/16/07 9:06 PM (permalink)
                    quote:
                    Originally posted by Bruce Bilmes & Sue Boyle

                    quote:
                    In other words he lied.


                    Nah, no more so than when Gerald Ford insisted the Soviet Bloc didn't exist. Ford wasn't lying, but he obviously knew the Soviet Bloc did exist. It was just one of those things that the spin-meisters pounce on, then, 20 years ago, and today.


                    Gerald Ford did not insist that the Soviet Bloc didn't exist. He was trying to say something about the Soviets less than absolute control of the Polish people's spirit.
                     
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                      RE: Mafia problems? Thu, 10/18/07 4:31 PM (permalink)
                      quote:
                      Originally posted by Bruce Bilmes & Sue Boyle

                      Mario Cuomo did once kinda sorta say there was no Mafia


                      Well, Rudi Giulliani made his early rep sending them up the river (to Sing Sing) so he might have a different view.
                       
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                        RE: Mafia problems? Thu, 10/18/07 9:43 PM (permalink)
                        come down to hallandale or hollywood beach florida and tell me theres no mafia
                         
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                          RE: Mafia problems? Thu, 10/18/07 9:51 PM (permalink)
                          quote:
                          Originally posted by phatphil

                          come down to hallandale or hollywood beach florida and tell me theres no mafia


                          Of course there is, you guys probably have the Haitian and Cuban Mafia down there!
                           
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                            RE: Mafia problems? Fri, 10/19/07 4:00 PM (permalink)
                            robdog,
                            since i am the only one located remotely near you (st. augustine) and doing mobile here is the straight up skinny after 3 years. has someone ever tried to shake me down??? yes. how many times??? once. and they weren't mafia!!!!!! they were two black teens with hispanic accents so from best guess they were cuban at best and certainly not ms13. the decussions was brief and went like this--well gentlemen follow me to the truck. upon arriving at the truck i reached under the seat and came up with the gerber assault knife (mk2 model doesn't stick in large bones thanks to input from the RSA) that my brother sent me in 1970 while i was in the service. i unsheathed it, turned and said gentlemen it is a fine nite to die. end of problem. and that has been my one and only problem and i don't expect to ever have another one. however if you are around the gator bowl late at nite just keep on your toes. past that i think you are worring too much.
                            jack
                            ps. a word of advice you can bluff with a knife if need be as most everyone has been cut but never ever ever bluff with a gun!!!!!! most people have never been shot so there is no fear factor. if a gun comes out it must be fired!!!! just a word of advice.
                             
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                              RE: Mafia problems? Sat, 10/20/07 12:57 AM (permalink)
                              While I applaud your choices in educational tv, there is in fact a VERY REAL mafia that exists in this country. Do not readily dismiss the notion just because a tv program says something.

                              Prior to my current status as a tech, when I got my Masters in Criminology and I was working on a PhD in the same field, the Mafia were alive and well. And they still are to this day.

                              While the original poster probably will not have to deal with them in Jacksonville, I can assure you that people in NY, NJ, CT, et al deal with these folks.

                              quote:
                              Originally posted by RichardFriese

                              The Discovery channel and Forensic programs have shown that many of the activities are now more gang groups trying to create a Mafia structure. The major national mafia structure is broken, though groups of crime still exist and the FBI is still on it. They just has a program on about an FBI agent that went inside the Mafia for 6 years to bust a major part of the Mafia. I'm relating what that program stated that the mafia doesn't exist like it did in its hay days. RJF
                               
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                                RE: Mafia problems? Sat, 10/20/07 3:39 AM (permalink)
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                                Originally posted by RichardFriese There is no Mafia, though when it did run, it was into kickbacks on everything. The Rino act took out alot of the Mafia.
                                That's the RICO act, and yes, there is a Mafia. One federal judge's life was threatened earlier today in Chicago.
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by wanderingjew
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by phatphil come down to hallandale or hollywood beach florida and tell me theres no mafia
                                Of course there is, you guys probably have the Haitian and Cuban Mafia down there!
                                And a lot of retired Italians and Jews who haven't gone TU yet.
                                 
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                                  ChiTownDiner

                                  RE: Mafia problems? Sat, 10/20/07 8:49 AM (permalink)
                                  Mich - Congratulations on your 1000th post...always enjoyable!
                                   
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                                    RE: Mafia problems? Sat, 10/20/07 9:11 AM (permalink)
                                    Thats a G note in mafia speek! Looking forward to another Gnote from Mitch.
                                    Chow Jim
                                     
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                                      RE: Mafia problems? Mon, 10/22/07 1:14 PM (permalink)
                                      The mob is alive and well all over the place.
                                      In Kenneth Anger's Hollywood Babylon 2 he mentions the Mafia getting invovled in the film industry unions.
                                      Recall one time being at the base commissary with my dad at Randolph AFB to go grocery shopping. He started talking to the vendor stocking cheese.I think my dad made a comment about the price of cheese and the mob getting their cut,and both he and the guy stocking cheese just laughed.The Mafia is invovled in a lot of unions and things.My grandfather was president of the meat cutters union in Milwaukee,and never thought to ask my dad if the mob ever tried to get invovled in the union.Grandpa was a man who would not back down from a fight, and certainly wouldn't be above giving some good fella a lead present if you know what I mean.
                                      An example: Back in Hot Springs my grandparents lived on a farm owned by the family.They had an old horse that used to deliver the mail.Grandpa bought it from someone.It was a gentle horse,good for riding,but The horse had the habit of stopping at all the mail boxes.
                                      Anyhow,grandpa sold the horse to a guy we'll call Mr.Jones.Jones came to the house and tried to get his money back for the horse,because of the horse stopping for the mail.Grandpa told him sell it to one of the riding stables in town.Jones said no,he wanted his money back.
                                      They got into a heated arguement,and grandpa told daddy to go into the house. Well daddy said he came back out and slipped grandpa his gun. Jones noticed nothing.Finally Mr.Jones said will you take the horse back,and grandpa said no.I told you what you can do with the horse.So Jones said to grandpa,Well I'm Choctaw and I don't get mad I get even.And grandpa said,well I'm German and I'll blow your head off,and with that Mr.Jones was staring down the barrel of a gun.
                                      Daddy said that Boy was he surprised ,and his tune changed.Mr.Jones
                                      said to grandpa,Mr.Hilpert I believe,you would.Now what where you saying about selling the horse to a riding stable?
                                      Well all ended well.No one got shot,and in fact Jones later saw grandpa one day in town and told him he sold "Ben" the horse.He got $150 or so for it,and was glad now that he had taken grandpa's advice.I guess grandpa figured there'd be trouble,hence the gun.My great grandmother had a reputation around town as a woman you didn't mess with.Have to tell you the story of the day she shot Woodhall the dairyman's cows sometime.
                                      Prisonchef,you sound like my grandfather.And you let these guys know that you meant business,and if they tried something,they were the ones going down,not you.The word has gotten around about you,which explains no one else so far has tried to shake you down.In a weird way,those types respect you for your boldness and guts.

                                      Anround here we have the mexican mafia.As far as I know they are mainly in the drug racket around here,not shaking down restaurants and bodegas.

                                      Here's a gangster story from the 1920s for you. Guys like Al Capone,Nick the Greek and others used to come to Hot Springs Ark. on vacation. Well one day they held the Garland County Fair.The family was busy enjoying the sights.My dad was over by one of the crane machines,where you use a crane to get a prize.Well,he watched this gangster drop some coins in to try to get a watch.The guy kept dropping in money and trying to grab the watch with the crane,but no luck.So instead of giving up and walking away,he took out his gun,and used the butt end to break the glass.Daddy said he saw the
                                      guy then reach in and take the watch and walk away.Of course no one stopped him,and this guy figured since he'd been dropping in enough change for it,it was his.
                                       
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                                        RE: Mafia problems? Mon, 10/22/07 1:14 PM (permalink)
                                        I once knew a nightclub owner that pretended to be mob connected. To reinforce the charade he went so far as to occasionally have his cousins come down with Illinois plates and pay him visits dressed in their best "Mafioso" attire. Most people bought the ruse, especially his competition.
                                         
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                                          RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/23/07 9:35 AM (permalink)
                                          That's funny.There was a night club in Hot Springs called Capone's back in the 1980s.They used to have a guy outside dressed like an old time gangster,and i think he even had a phony tommy gun.
                                          Wonder if all the help dressed in the style of the 20s or 30s.
                                          Al Capone used to vacation in Hot Springs as did other gangsters. I seem to recall the place was considered netural territory
                                           
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                                            RE: Mafia problems? Tue, 10/23/07 9:59 AM (permalink)
                                            quote:
                                            Originally posted by SimonD

                                            I once knew a nightclub owner that pretended to be mob connected. To reinforce the charade he went so far as to occasionally have his cousins come down with Illinois plates and pay him visits dressed in their best "Mafioso" attire. Most people bought the ruse, especially his competition.


                                            Now I'm picturing scenes from the Godfather but the SNL Skit "Swerski's Superfans" dubbed in!
                                             
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                                              RE: Mafia problems? Wed, 10/24/07 8:39 PM (permalink)
                                              quote:
                                              Originally posted by wanderingjew Now I'm picturing scenes from the Godfather but the SNL Skit "Swerski's Superfans" dubbed in!
                                              Superfans? I remember hearing about the flack Vince Lombardi's wife took from her parents because Vince was Italian.

                                              I also remember, but don't remember who, stated that Mario Cuomo got undue flack "because his name ends with a vowel." Half of my Polish friends have names that end with s-k-i (including the Swerskis, if I'm not mistaken). Many of my Hispanic friends have names that end with vowels, too.
                                               
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                                                RE: Mafia problems? Wed, 10/24/07 8:56 PM (permalink)
                                                quote:
                                                Originally posted by Big Ugly Mich

                                                quote:
                                                Originally posted by wanderingjew Now I'm picturing scenes from the Godfather but the SNL Skit "Swerski's Superfans" dubbed in!
                                                Superfans? I remember hearing about the flack Vince Lombardi's wife took from her parents because Vince was Italian.

                                                I also remember, but don't remember who, stated that Mario Cuomo got undue flack "because his name ends with a vowel." Half of my Polish friends have names that end with s-k-i (including the Swerskis, if I'm not mistaken). Many of my Hispanic friends have names that end with vowels, too.


                                                Basically what I was implying is that I'm picturing stereotypical "Italian Mafia Types" a'la "The Godfather" but with those thick "Chicaahgo accents" a'la the SNL Swerski Super Fans Skit!
                                                 
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                                                  RE: Mafia problems? Thu, 10/25/07 3:37 PM (permalink)
                                                  Interesting story in The Star Ledger of New Jersey and The New York Post for those of you who are in denial about the mob or make sarcastic comments concerning their existence. It seems that information from an FBI informant was just made public regarding discussion of John Gotti and his gang deciding whether or not to put a hit on Rudolph Guiliani. You can find it by doing a search of either paper and checking their online editions. I'm too lazy to do it now. This story is also on the local news stations in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. Maybe elsewhere.
                                                   
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                                                    RE: Mafia problems? Thu, 10/25/07 3:49 PM (permalink)
                                                    quote:
                                                    Originally posted by Michael Hoffman


                                                    Originally posted by RichardFriese

                                                    There is no Mafia, though when it did run, it was into kickbacks on everything. The Rino act took out alot of the Mafia. Now a days there are other groups that are trying to form like the Mafia. If you are ever approached the FBI will want to know. Many gangs are trying to form national groups, though it is still small compared to the old Mafia, they are still trying and the FBI is still incharge of this type of activity. RJF


                                                    "Rino act" is brilliant...step out of line, you get gored!

                                                    My father-in-law is the unofficial head of the Lebanese mafia, Southern New Hampshire branch. We meet at Gilley's Lunchwagon in Portsmouth every Friday night to discuss who we want to rub out (okay, we talk football and eat hot dogs)...fine old place, BTW, should get reviewed on Roadfood!

                                                     
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                                                      RE: Mafia problems? Thu, 10/25/07 4:03 PM (permalink)
                                                      quote:
                                                      Originally posted by John Fox

                                                      Interesting story in The Star Ledger of New Jersey and The New York Post for those of you who are in denial about the mob or make sarcastic comments concerning their existence. It seems that information from an FBI informant was just made public regarding discussion of John Gotti and his gang deciding whether or not to put a hit on Rudolph Guiliani. You can find it by doing a search of either paper and checking their online editions. I'm too lazy to do it now. This story is also on the local news stations in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. Maybe elsewhere.


                                                      It's in the Chicago papers today also.
                                                       
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                                                        RE: Mafia problems? Thu, 10/25/07 4:24 PM (permalink)
                                                        quote:
                                                        Originally posted by ChiTownDiner

                                                        quote:
                                                        Originally posted by John Fox

                                                        Interesting story in The Star Ledger of New Jersey and The New York Post for those of you who are in denial about the mob or make sarcastic comments concerning their existence. It seems that information from an FBI informant was just made public regarding discussion of John Gotti and his gang deciding whether or not to put a hit on Rudolph Guiliani. You can find it by doing a search of either paper and checking their online editions. I'm too lazy to do it now. This story is also on the local news stations in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. Maybe elsewhere.


                                                        It's in the Chicago papers today also.


                                                        Yes this was back in 1986!
                                                        I was trying to figure out how a corpse was going to put a hit on someone
                                                         
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