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Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build

Spent all day tearing down. It's built like a tank. Lynch Displays built it for Snap-On corporate. Walls have 3 & 4 layers of plywood,  Pegboard, oak, cross bracing, etc. Plywood is all 3/4" or 1" Oak trim is 1/2". They used square drive security fasteners for on almost almost everything for some reason. Had to go buy a set of those just to get started.
It's a great truck with lots of strengths  :-)
 

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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 04:52:54 (permalink)
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 05:01:35 (permalink)
    Wow, I thought I had to take out a lot of stuff from my van!
     
    That lift gate is something. You going to leave it attached? Or get rid of it?
    I always imagined a lift gate like that would be very useful if I just wanted to use a step van as a catering hauler and move out equipment. I hate wheeling a 250# griddle down from even the slightest ramp decline.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 05:01:51 (permalink)
    removed all the shelving, half the pegboard, the some of the lighting and plywood wall, and that nasty corner unit. They built that with drywall type screws with security heads in all sorts of cross screwed angles I couldn't get to with my drill. Then laid carpet over them and added more screws so the carpet wouldn't pull off. That corner was as much work as everything else together ....almost pulled out my sawsall ... I did pull out a pry bar and rip plywood sheets in half :-) Tomorrow will go faster. Should have most of it down to bare metal. 
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 05:04:50 (permalink)
    I don't plan to use it when operating. It might be useful during the build, but I'm trying to get the weight down for a DMV weighing, so I think I'm going to remove it. 
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 05:12:12 (permalink)
    The propane tank is pretty corroded. That has to go. The generator works, but the mount shelf needs to be replace. The batteries are old and only hold a minimum charge.  On item I like is the 110v - 12v inverter (is it called an inverter when it steps down?) is wired in and there's a twist lock outside the cab with a pigtail. I just run an extension cord to it and it powers the whole truck... very handy. There's also 110v outlets that can be powered from the house cord or off another 12-110 inverter from the batteries
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 05:41:37 (permalink)
    I think seeing all the ambitious build ups of well used rigs displayed here will keep me inspired. My van only has 66k miles on it and its 26 years old. Things are in pretty good shape, but I don't have much room to waste in the interior, so everything needs to be in place.
    I just took out all my steel interior panels and insulation yesterday. It is a good feeling. I had a similar issue with some screws myself. I had to drill out a few.
     
    I've used inverters with my two handbuilt carts. I like the system and it seems ideal for food vending off the grid for whatever power is needed for light stuff, like lights, radio, cash register. I would still like to get to know much more about power issues on 12v system so I can figure out how to operate ventilation without draining down the bank.
     
    A buddy of mine installed a solenoid in my personal van that kept a marine battery charged from the alternator. Then wired non-essential accessories (LCD TV, Backup wireless camera, etc) to the extra battery so it did not drain from the van's main battery. I would think a similar setup in my food truck would be ideal. However many batteries I have get charged with the truck's alternator when driving, and battery bank can be recharged when truck is parked for the night.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 06:22:10 (permalink)
    I have a mac tools truck with alot of the same gear in it.If you want to get the decals etc off the outside of the truck,use a stripe off wheel from 3m.They work slick!and saves your paint.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 11:35:12 (permalink)
    daddywoofdawg I have a mac tools truck with alot of the same gear in it.If you want to get the decals etc off the outside of the truck,use a stripe off wheel from 3m.They work slick!and saves your paint.

     
    Is that the same as an eraser wheel? I used one to take the decals off my aluminum boat and they really work well.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 11:47:18 (permalink)
    Inkys I don't plan to use it when operating. It might be useful during the build, but I'm trying to get the weight down for a DMV weighing, so I think I'm going to remove it. 

     
    Good pictures and a great truck, congratulations. I would really consider keeping the lift gate especially if it works. A bunch of folks doing a build are adding rear decks for more space and you have one built in. And even if your truck were 75 feet long at some point your going to wish you had more room. And if your not going to use it what do you want for it?
     
    On your propane tank....I'd call some local propane dealers and see if they rebuild tanks. We have a local company that takes (any size) but mostly the 500 gal home tanks into their shop and test, sands, and paints them for resale. Once done they look like new. Yours is out of the way where it's at and if rebuilt saves an expense and space. And I'd bet it is hooked up to your furnace which is another godsend. Just a couple of thoughts.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 13:55:43 (permalink)
    Thanks Dr of BBQ. I hadn't thought of a tank rebuild. I'll check it out. Yes, it is hooked up to a heater with a thermostat. Since it’s already there I’ll probably keep it, but I'm wondering if it’ll be very useful with all the cooking heat. Might be nice on cold mornings.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 13:57:41 (permalink)
    What are people using rear decks for? I can't drive with it down, so nothing can be permanently stored there. And I loose my back door with it up. I though about possibly building storage boxes on the back if space get's tight.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 14:08:59 (permalink)
    I have a "space making" approach I might implement that those of you with smaller trucks might really benefit from using. Sounds a little strange at first, but it think it will work. It started with the though of all that space in the cab area that's unused when parked. For most trucks that's 2 feet. So I'm thinking about making the forward most 2 feet above the counter on the window side like a popout, but it slides forward. For example> Put something like storage and a microwave there, they slide forward where the passenger seat would be and expose a workspace in the space just vacated. I can use permanently mounted slides on the roof and collapsing slides at counter level so they retract out of the way.  It'll take some planning to determine how to use that space. Obviously it's not appropriate for heavy equipment and it limits what the vacated space can be used for, but it's a significant amount of space. If the driver seat can fold down. You could do this on either side of the truck.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 14:12:27 (permalink)
    daddywoofdawg,
    Thanks I like that idea.  I think you're talking about the ones that are like a kitchen scrub pad on a disk and not the abrasive paint remover type right?
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 14:15:41 (permalink)
    Nice size truck, I wish I could have found a longer truck when I purchasing mine. Your already set with a generator and horizontal propane tank, nice.
     
    My truck looked the same inside when I purchased it, peg board and tool loops, wood dash board, and grey carpet everywhere.......dust magnet. You have quite a demolition ahead of you. Have fun.
     
    If you put an ad on CL for the peg board and wood, you can have someone that wants it to come demo it for free and haul it away.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 14:17:57 (permalink)
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    I would still like to get to know much more about power issues on 12v system so I can figure out how to operate ventilation without draining down the bank.

    A buddy of mine installed a solenoid in my personal van that kept a marine battery charged from the alternator. Then wired non-essential accessories (LCD TV, Backup wireless camera, etc) to the extra battery so it did not drain from the van's main battery. I would think a similar setup in my food truck would be ideal. However many batteries I have get charged with the truck's alternator when driving, and battery bank can be recharged when truck is parked for the night.

    what you want is a battery isolator. It allows all batteries to charge from either the alternator, the genny, or building power, but allows circuits (like interior lights) to pull from only those you want, so you always have your stating battery
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 14:21:28 (permalink)
    Since i already have this setup, I'm going to see what I can run off batteries to reduce my generator need. They might (big maybe) also be used as like a compensator, if there are short periods of heavy current draw above what my genny can give, I'm thinking it might be possible for the batteries to act like a reserve and make up the difference. Then when the draw reduces the genny charges them back up. Makes for much more efficient use of the genny.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 14:33:01 (permalink)
    I actually have to get very efficient with power. We're planning on espresso and a few other items that add big power draws. When I first calculated my wattage, I was going to need two generators if everything ran at one time... obviously that's not going to happen.
     
    There are several things I’m planning to address this. First is to move all heat requirements to propane. Doesn’t make sense to use wattage where I don’t have to.
     
    Another is to see what I can run from batteries. Heavy wattage will be hard to maintain from batteries, but a bank of deep cycles might offer some help here.
     
    Another is a universal transfer switch. These can allow you to designate circuits as interruptible or non-interruptible. So for example I want my espresso machine non-interruptible, but my fridge can be interrupted for short periods. This lets me avoid having to spec to max load, which would be way overkill since I’ll rarely have everything running at one time.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 14:43:55 (permalink)
    I'm also wanting a range/oven in the truck (I know, it's ambitious), but we want to build a morning/breakfast business as well as lunch and the oven gives us fresh pastry items (prepped ahead of time). Commercial ranges are large and heavy, so I’m wondering about a consumer model. Especially the kind you build into a wall. The overall size and weight would be better, but I’m not sure I can get a propane version. Any suggestions here are appreciated.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 16:37:43 (permalink)
    I would consider both a propane espresso machine, yes, they make them, and a propane run range. If you do decide to go more homestyle on the range, I would go to lengths to research converting natural gas model to propane. If that is not possible, I am sure there are propane ones available. Consider a luxury (or not) RV. I would think if people demand baking in their RV, they would use propane over electric. There are even propane refrigerators too, but I don't think there are commercial grade versions, just RV style, expensive, small. There may be some around that are larger. Anyway, you didn't ask about refrigerators. I'll ask a friend about the brand/model of the propane espresso machine. He just got one. I know there are other businesses who use propane espresso machines that work off the grid during special events/festivals.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 17:00:47 (permalink)
    Here is an Eraser Wheel Video, they run about $20.00 and last forever. Oh and if you do it right there shouldn't be any adhesve left but if there is WD-40 will remove it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHKN5_UfDik
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRLoGehgddE
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTJncZiMd_g
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 17:05:26 (permalink)
    Inkys

    What are people using rear decks for? I can't drive with it down, so nothing can be permanently stored there. And I loose my back door with it up. I though about possibly building storage boxes on the back if space get's tight.

     
    Why can't you drive with it down? Can you still see the taillights? I really don't know much about lift gates so you may be right just asking. It would make a great rear storage area for just about anything, upright smoker, propane tanks, or maybe a charcoal grill. What ever else you need but can't fit or don't want inside. .
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 17:15:13 (permalink)
    No they are like a rubber compound wheel that you chuck in your drill.Google 3M stripe off.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/26 17:28:57 (permalink)
    Your lights,cash reg,laptop are some easy things to run on the battery.what equiment do you want to run?somethings can be run on the battery maybe we can help.If your tank is like mine it's a 100 lb tank.run all your cooking off propane and fill the tank maybe 2 times a week.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/27 00:15:01 (permalink)
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/27 00:16:03 (permalink)
    Those strip off wheels look perfect! not at all what I was thinking. Thanks for the tip. I'm getting one of those tomorrow :-)
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/27 01:02:49 (permalink)
    Dwag541,
    I'd love to know where your friend got a propane espresso machine.
    Thanks
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/27 01:09:36 (permalink)
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    Why can't you drive with it down? Can you still see the taillights?

    Depending on the angle and height you might see the tail lights. There are lights above also, but It's 5 feet long, has a sharp edge, and you can't see it in the mirror. I'm not sure if it's legal or not but doesn't seem safe, parking would be a real bear (makes the truck some thing like 27 feet), and Driving with gear loaded on it seems pretty risky.
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/27 01:47:35 (permalink)
    I've toyed with the idea of coffee brewers and grinders running off deep cycles that recharge at night. Brewers can take 1500w each and a single deep cycle should be able to handle that for frequent use in the morning and intermittent in the afternoon. I could add a manual switch to use genny power later in the day if needed. Having more than 1:1 would help also. Plumbing hot water to the brewers can also reduce that load.
    I contacted Bunn about plumbing hot water, they gave me a max temp I should plumb in of something like 120 degrees (I think). It’s not clear what would happen if I plumb hotter water. I don’t think they  know either :-)
    A lot of this is sort of stirring in my head and I need to test it. Might not be an economical solution if the battery life is short, low voltage is not good for equipment, and coffee might be weak. Might make more sense to get a larger genny and plumb hot water to everything. I’m also looking at cold/vacuum brewing. Have some grey matter work to do on this one. :-)
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    Re:Making Beauty Out of Beast - 1990 P30 Build 2012/02/27 01:49:18 (permalink)
    I think the propane tank is 100lbs. I've been wondering how long that would last. How much does say a 30" flat grill and a 24" broiler use in 8hrs? (on average)
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