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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/02/24 01:20:20 (permalink)
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I did the layout for the truck. The freshwater tank and water heater will go underneath the sinks and the shelf next to it.


Does the door on the reefer slide, or is it gonna interfere with the table?
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/02/24 04:11:07 (permalink)
Assuming that your service window is over the work table next to the freezer, you may want to think about work flow for more than one person, it appears most of your service will be from either the soft serves or freezer, so more than one person will cross each other in front of the window a lot.  I'd probably play with having the soft serve on the opposite side from the window along with the freezer, seems quicker and closer access to your main service machines.  
Think of a fast food type counter and service area where the drinks and quick serve items are behind the service counter.
I know you have some ridiculous requirements for sinks in the states, but I'd be looking to minimize their size to the absolute min required if you already have not, perhaps a small slide out hand sink below one of the counters, thats a lot of valuable space for sinks, even though you'll probably cover them for a work surface.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/02/24 10:55:38 (permalink)
The refrigerator has sliding doors. Even so, I think I'm going with the 24" width on that work table. I had the three standard widths noted, with numbers at those widths (the numbers just look like dots on the above picture).
My serving window will actually be on the refrigerator side. The window I will open will be in front of the counter between the fridge and the 3 compartment sink. I know the sinks take up a lot of room, but I don't have much of a choice with my health dept. I'm already going to have to put extra wire shelf drainboard space above the sink, even though I will never have to use it with the equipment that actually gets washed, as the drainboards are technically too small. I plan on covering the sinks with cutting board material when not in use.
The work table between the freezer and soft serve machines will be the main work area. That's where the topping bar will go.
I appreciate your input. Like many on here, I'm new to this. It's great to have someplace to go where I can pick the brains of those who are already doing it.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/01 12:54:04 (permalink)
A lot of work on the electrical system done. In order to power everything, I had to go with the Generac 17500.
http://www.norwall.com/pr...0E-Electric-Start.html
Doing the calculations for the amount of power I need puts me at 15,074.7 Watts. After researching it, I found that the 50 Amp plug only puts out 12,000 Watts. The folks at Generac said that to get more Watts, I would have to use both the 50 Amp plug and the 30 Amp 120/240V twistlock plug. At around 15kW, I can do this and not overload the generator (according to the info from Generac). I will be using the 50A plug to power my soft serve machines. These come in at 11,939.2W. Everything else will be on a different circuit fed by the 30A 120/240V plug. The total for that circuit is 3,135.5W. So, I will be getting two load centers to keep the circuits separate.
http://www.lowes.com/pd_1...82__?productId=1001509
I don't figure I need a breaker or a transfer switch as there are main breakers on the generator, and I will physically be unplugging the power to plug in the shore power. One thing I noticed about using those load centers is that I will need another grounding bus bar in each as I will have four lines in (two hots, a neutral, and a ground). Trusty eBay was able to solve that problem.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400669936653
I needed an inlet box on the truck that I would be comfortable with using in the rain. I would also like it to be locking. This one fulfilled those requirements:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_2..._0__?productId=4326713
When I'm using the generator, I need to get the full amount of juice, so I got a generator cable.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1...ksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
When I'm at home, I need to be able to plug into a regular 110V outlet so I can run my freezer and keep my ice cream frozen. Since that will only draw 212W, an adapter will work. Adapters that convert a 4 wire 120/240V line to a 3 wire 120V line drop one of the hot wires, so they only have access to have the Watts. There are two ways to do this (taking some advice from the RVers). One way is to go from the inlet on the truck to a female l14-30 plug.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360846649967
Then put that plug on a regular range/RV 50 Amp plug.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/N...50V-6-Fee/131005782232
Then plug that into a 50 Amp to 30 Amp RV dogbone adapter.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/R...emale-12-/370453019865
Then plug the 30 Amp RV connector into a 110V adapter.
http://www.campingworld.c...amp-male-adapter/69604
Alternatively, I could have gotten the 30A 120/240V female spinlock (L14-30R) to 30A 120V male spinlock (L5-30P) adapter.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0091UEVL4/
Then a 30A 120V spinlock female to 30A RV.
http://www.campingworld.c...30-amp-connector/31550
Or 30A 120V spinlock female to 15A regular male end.
http://www.campingworld.c...-power-smart-led/69586
post edited by Midnights - 2014/03/01 13:15:42
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/01 13:10:22 (permalink)
For the 50W plug, it's a little more straight-forward. I had to get a HUBBELL HBL9451C end to plug into the generator. Due to its orientation, a regular NEMA 14-50 plug that doesn't come straight out wouldn't have worked. I needed one that would lock in with the locking mechanism on the generator (so it wouldn't work itself loose). http://www.amazon.com/Hub...HBL9451C/dp/B000TKF84E
The Amazon reviews were very helpful with this. I go from that to a regular RV outlet box.
http://www.amazon.com/Con...40-Volt/dp/B0009R5JRS/
That allowed me to just have a range cord going from the truck to the outlet on the generator box.
http://www.amazon.com/Col...-Supply/dp/B0002YURAW/
I ripped the guts out of a service disconnect switch box I bought at the used construction equipment store for $5. This will allow me to store the 50A wire away when not in use. It's also lockable, so I can keep it connected and not have to worry about people messing with it.

I cut a path to the bottom middle knock-out and filed the edges smooth. This allows me to close the box while the cord is being used. I have a hole drilled in the top (under the top mounting screw) so I can pass the cord through the back and into the truck. I have grommets for the hole in the box and the hole in the truck, so it's watertight. I was thinking about running a pipe nipple through the hole instead, with lock nuts on either side.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/01 15:33:10 (permalink)
This link talks about someone else trying to convert a 30A 120/240V spinlock to a 30A 120V RV outlet:
http://www.wakeworld.com/...howthread.php?t=791440
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/01 20:01:48 (permalink)
I started demoing the inside today. Here is what was in there to start with:

Here is what I did today:

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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/05 00:20:10 (permalink)
Generator came today. It is large, but I knew it would be. It's also fairly loud, but I assumed it would be, so I had already planned on building a sound dampening enclosure. You can see the cargo carrier it will sit on in the background.

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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/05 22:28:09 (permalink)
Hey Midnight,
 
How are you powering your freezers while driving?
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/05 22:46:09 (permalink)
I haven't decided yet (as it will depend on what the health department tells me). If they will allow me, the "cold plate" of blue ice packets should keep it frozen for the short drives around town. If not, I'll have to keep the generator running while I'm driving.
Further down the road, I might install a battery pack with an inverter, but I don't plan on it to start out (especially not if I can get away with just using the "cold plate" for driving around).
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/06 17:32:46 (permalink)
Yea i'm looking for an inverter to keep my fridge cold while moving from my commissary to  my spot.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/08 18:45:10 (permalink)
Inside of the truck is cleaned out. It took longer than I thought it would.

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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/22 11:34:22 (permalink)
I went to pick up my equipment yesterday and they messed up my order. They had fixed up the wrong beverage cooler and ice cream machine. Luckily, the right ones were still in the warehouse. They are throwing in a stainless steel work table for free because of the mix-up. That does mean that I can't try out my soft-serve recipes this weekend.
 
Although that has been held up by my base mix supplier as well. The original dairy I was going to go with has shut down and Dean Foods (the parent company) shifted production to the local Meadow Gold facility. Meadow Gold hasn't gotten back to me. I've tried contacting them through email, their contact form, and through Dean Foods. The Dean Foods folks did get back to me almost immediately and said they'd check into it for me.

I have also been on the look-out for 3 gallon ice cream tubs. As I have a truck and need to use a commissary kitchen, space is at a premium. I don't have space to store pallets of empty tubs. I found a few suppliers that make square box tubs that ship flat. This should end up being cheaper, and solves my storage issue. These are the companies I've found:
http://www.rynonepackaging.com/Products/IcecreamBoxes.asp
http://www.negusboxnbag.com/ice_cream.html
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rapamar-Container/1398852023677454
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/22 23:06:53 (permalink)
Oh yea I have Generac 6500E and runs like a champ get about 11 hours out it before I need to fill it up~
 
its not too loud compared to those on harbor freight but def not quiet like a honda.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/03/31 19:08:06 (permalink)
I heard back from the dairy. They do have premium frozen custard mix that will work. So, I can bring the Midwestern tradition of good frozen custard to the Rockies.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/05/22 14:37:56 (permalink)
I am continuing to work on the truck (now that finals are done and I have some time). I am trying to fix the ceiling. I decided to keep the aluminum ceiling that is already up there, but it needs some repair. In looking for fasteners, it really showed how annoying such things are to find. Every company and store call them something different: nylon rivets, Tap-It nylon fasteners, nail-in rivet, drive anchor, pin drive anchor, etc. I finally found some on eBay, but it was a whole lot harder than I thought it would be.
 
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/06/01 21:18:21 (permalink)
After a lot of thought, I decided to frame out the truck with wood, similar to what I've seen PacMob do.

The studs are screwed to the walls using lathe screws.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Teks-8-x-1-in-Zinc-Plated-Steel-Truss-Head-Phillips-Lath-Screws-170-Pack-21508/100142621?N=5yc1vZc2d6Z4qi
I have plugged most of the holes in the walls using large flange rivets, and have Bondoed the other ones (with aluminum duct tape in the inside, so the holes don't pop through).
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/06/07 22:51:42 (permalink)
A bunch of work done.







 
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/06/07 22:56:32 (permalink)
I still need to caulk it in, but it looks like it will rain, so that will have to wait. I bought some cellulose PVC trim, as it won't rot and is easy to glue on. I'll be putting on the serving shelf at the same time as the trim.
The Bondo work is all done. The little spots were easy. I backed them with aluminum tape, so they won't pop out. Of course the place I'm going to paint with blackboard paint for my menu board is right where there was a huge gouge. It's done now, but it took a lot more doing than I thought it would.
The electrical wasn't too bad. I do like that I'm allowed to run it behind the wall. I think it looks cleaner, and is ultimately easier. I will have two panel boxes. One will be for all of the 110v stuff, and one just for the 240v ice cream machines.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/06/12 21:46:00 (permalink)
I was just doing the calculations for my breakers and found out that my water heater needs a 25amp breaker. This will require that outlet being rewired with 10 gauge wire. I'm really glad I didn't close up that side of the truck yet.
So, of course, neither Lowes nor Home Depot carry a 25A breaker for my box. The woman at Home Depot at least suggested places I might locate one. The guy at Lowes just shrugged and walked off. I did locate them online, from Toro Tools, for a reasonable price.
I also figured out a way to connect my 6 gauge wire coming from the generator cord to the line into my box. Split bolts were too bulky, and the insulated connectors (like those made by Polaris) are too expensive.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2...ksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
I will cover that in heat-shrink tubing. That will give me a solid, mechanical connection that will easily and safely fit in the space available.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/06/25 23:52:17 (permalink)
Window is all trimmed out and serving shelf is installed.

240 line is hooked up. I couldn't find heat shrink tubing big enough, so I had the go the old route: three layers of thick electrical tape, then two layers of rubber "tape", and finished with two layers of regular electrical tape.


FRP almost finished on the walls. Lights are all installed (and work perfectly).



It looks like I'll be getting my second ice cream machine. I hope.
I did pick up the frozen custard mix so I can see how Meadow Gold did with what I asked. I'm also getting the Blue Moon flavoring shipped to me, so I can see how that stacks up to my requirements.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/06/29 06:13:13 (permalink)
Just curious but why don't you make your own frozen custard/ice cream base?  You come across as someone who knows so much about everything-just figured you'd be making your own base for what you're building this truck for........
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/06/29 16:14:48 (permalink)
Because in order to make my own base mix, I would need a pasteurizer and a bunch of other equipment and storage that isn't feasible right now. It's one of the few things that is annoying about the local health code regulations. Most of the stuff is reasonable, and the people are pretty easy to work with. I might be able to convince them to change the regulations, since the milk and cream is already pasteurized, and the eggs are cooked in the tempering process. But, that will take time and energy I don't have to spend right now.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/07/01 18:29:38 (permalink)
You're HD requires special equipment to pasteurize?  All you need is to follow the time/temp standards and you'd be good to go.  Have a cold fridge to store your stuff and you'd be set
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/07/17 14:57:07 (permalink)
Yes, they require a commercial-grade pasteurizer.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/07/18 12:26:40 (permalink)
Midnight-great stuff working on a build myself. Newb question as I'm new to a lot of this.

I'm using 3/16 luan for walls with frp over it. Did you leave spacing gaps between plywood sheets? Also did you leave the 1/16 gap on the top/bottom of the frp as recommended?
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/07/21 20:57:35 (permalink)
I didn't leave any space between the luan plywood. The frp is cut so the seams don't match up. The luan was cut so the seams fell right on the center of the studs. There was no need to do that with the FRP. I left a gap at the top of the FRP to put the trim on, but not on the bottom. I have to glue vinyl coved base trim all along the bottom, so there was no need.
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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) 2014/07/23 22:02:52 (permalink)
Thanks!
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