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Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 03/30/09 1:31 PM (permalink)
wanderingjew


Here's a better map of the North Central dialect.

 
That tightens things up a bit! 
 
wanderingjew

 
I didn't know that dialects travel by "interestate"?
 


Nancy's post above makes this interesting so I'm going to play armchair sociologist/anthropologist for a minute.  I mentioned I-55 but that's also the historical route of US-66, and I'm thinking that maybe enough people left the Chicago area back then ('20s through '40s) and settled along the way between there and St. Louis to keep the Inland North accent and dialects alive, which could explain that narrow band smack-dab in the middle of Midland in the first map.  And of course today I-55 sees a huge amount of traffic between the 2 cities.
 
But the second map doesn't show it, so who knows.<shrug>
 
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    Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 03/30/09 1:34 PM (permalink)
    Hello All,
    I aín"t one to to talk bout how others talk.
    Don't seem seemly to act that way.
    But I sure do like to hear yankee talk
    and I love to hear the gurls of Minnysoda
    say, "Minnysoda."
    So dear ones, tis been a delightful
    moment to share this moment of chat with you.
    I dooo hope it has been a hoot for you as well.
    Take Care,
    Fieldthistle

     
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      Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 03/30/09 4:33 PM (permalink)
      About seven years ago while taking a mammoth roadfood tour through the South, I was in between Griffin and Macon, Georgia, when I stopped at a fairly famous roadside candy shop that has been around since the 1920s called Swint's Candies.

      http://www.swintscandies.com/

      The owner was as nice as he could be, but he had an accent that was hard to understand.  It reminded me somewhat of Jimmy Carter's accent (he lives a few counties away), but it was harder to understand.  To my upper-south ears it was a revelation to me that there were some Southerners whose words I could not interpret.
       
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        Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 03/30/09 4:38 PM (permalink)
        I am a dialect sponge. 
         
        I have lived in various areas of the country and have picked up variations of speak.  I drawl when in the south, drop the rrrrrr's in the northeast and when tired my cajun comes out.
         
        I do see some areas of the country that are losing their regional uniqueness, but there are still MANY regional variations out there that would give a linguist nightmares.
         
        For me:
         
        You say Toe-May-Toe, I say May-ter
        You say Po-Tay-Toe, I say Tay-ters
         
        It's all the same
         
         
         
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          Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 03/30/09 5:32 PM (permalink)
          That explains it. Everyone has an accent other than the North. The area represented as "North" on this map has the highest high school graduation rate and college entrance exam scores in the nation. They obviously got a better education than the rest.



          The further away from your area the more pronounced you find an accent. The closer you are to an area the more you can differentiate an accent locally. For instance, WJ can loop Kansas City with Indianapolis yet my ear hears a very distinct difference. I also hear distinct differences in Minnesota from the Twin Cities, western Minnesota agricultural plains and the north woods that an outsider might lump together. The Twin Cities is a white collar city where more than half the people I worked with, like me, were not native Minnesotans.

          I first talked to my wife over the phone than in person in setting up a date. Her accent totally befuddled me. Her mother though raised by Staten Islanders grew up on Minnesota, and her father from Staten Island in a still German speaking enclave back in the 30s. She grew up moving around pre-kindergarten in New Jersey and Maryland, grade school San Francisco Bay area and high school Cleveland, OH. I first thought she was northern European or German speaking English.

          Now some of our Minnesota friends are native New Zealander, Swiss, German, Costa Rican, Jamaican, Somalian, Latvian and Russian. We keep talking to them and we will really mess up our dialect.
           
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            Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 03/30/09 9:36 PM (permalink)
            Ok, sometimes it's best to hear it directly from the horses mouth

            Youtube has commercials for local businesses in different cities many of the local commercials feature the local businessmen and women and of course their local accents. Here are some examples from various contested cities.
            (Yes I have too much time on my hands)

            I deliberately allowed 3 each from the Twin Cities and Indianapolis and also considered 3 from the Seattle area as a comparison since I consider the accent somewhat neutral and it appears most people would agree because I haven't heard anyone dispute otherwise so far. The reason why I chose 3 is so no one can say that one of the videos is an anomaly. Just keep in mind these videos aren't spoofs, comedic skits or people trying to imitate these accents- these are real!

            Twin Cities

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKX4j1Q5cks

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlOFQ2_02U8

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcWl4KnNz6M

            Indianapolis

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQUl4jYQJtc

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et9qcZeMDGk

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvcvM2qFPXg


            Seattle


            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YznGEpoWOIg

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMMW20q5oJs

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuII7XCLHZQ



            and a couple from NYC/Long Island



            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iL4Or7_Nh0

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L3cu2opCr0

            and Rhode Island

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1U4keNDDcA

            And a couple of my favorite accents....

            Pittsburghese

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o77y2sX0Mw

            Balitimorese

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcM_Z0NtWYI

            which is a little different than the general Maryland accent

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yLduH4soik


            Chicagoese


            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bOwDHeFuNM


            so sit back, relax and enjoy......



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              Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 03/30/09 9:47 PM (permalink)
              I don't know... when I first met my wife, who is from Baltimore (Ballmer), I thought she had a speech defect.  I later found out that it was a DEEP Baltimore accent/dialect.
               
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                Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 03/30/09 11:05 PM (permalink)
                I took the test on Facebook, What American accent are you? Here is my result...

                David completed the quiz "Your American Accent" with the result Northern Accent. Your accent is specific to New York State, the Great Lakes Area, and Western New England..

                Not Minnesota and not Indiana. I must have caught the seam in between.
                 
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                  Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 03/30/09 11:34 PM (permalink)
                  Well that was quite an entertaining read.

                  I was born in Canada but lived and travelled alot of Europe for the 22 years i was there.

                  Been back home in Canada eight yrs now.  People allways ask me where i am from.
                  I have had from New zealand to Australia, to denmark, holland, british i even had one gent tell me i sounded like i was from down south in the states..Seriously i did!!.....lmao.....


                  My dad says i have an heinz 47 accent. ;)
                   
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                    Re:Minnesota Accent Tue, 03/31/09 6:40 AM (permalink)
                    Davydd


                    I took the test on Facebook, What American accent are you? Here is my result...

                    David completed the quiz "Your American Accent" with the result Northern Accent. Your accent is specific to New York State, the Great Lakes Area, and Western New England..

                    Not Minnesota and not Indiana. I must have caught the seam in between.


                    I got "Northern" too. 
                     
                    It's funny how they kept using my name as a pronunciation comparison.  The upthread-mentioned Girls from Queens used to pronounce my name like "dawn".
                     
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                      Re:Minnesota Accent Tue, 03/31/09 7:51 AM (permalink)
                      MiamiDon


                      I don't know... when I first met my wife, who is from Baltimore (Ballmer), I thought she had a speech defect.  I later found out that it was a DEEP Baltimore accent/dialect.


                      We're just finishing up the second all-the-way-through viewing of 'The Wire' and they cast a lot of actual folks on whom characters were based, and it's fun picking out the very practiced, in some cases, from the real deal.   
                       
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                        Re:Minnesota Accent Tue, 03/31/09 8:43 AM (permalink)
                        MiamiDon


                        Davydd


                        I took the test on Facebook, What American accent are you? Here is my result...

                        David completed the quiz "Your American Accent" with the result Northern Accent. Your accent is specific to New York State, the Great Lakes Area, and Western New England..

                        Not Minnesota and not Indiana. I must have caught the seam in between.


                        I got "Northern" too. 
                         
                        It's funny how they kept using my name as a pronunciation comparison.  The upthread-mentioned Girls from Queens used to pronounce my name like "dawn".


                        I never heard anyone from New York pronounce "Don" like "Dawn" again, I'm fairly convinced that they were "putting it on and extra thick too!"
                        Although pronouncing "don" like "dawn" was fairly commonplace in Pittsburgh.
                         
                        I have an interesting story. My friend Julianne from Wisconsin (the one who thought everyone from Seattle "sounded like her") used to tell me that I pronounce "Bob" like "Bawb" I then asked her if everyone else in Seattle pronounced it that way and she said no they "pronounced it like her". I then asked some other Seattle locals if I pronounced "Bob" differently than them, and they said no that's one of the few words I did pronounce correctly....Now, when I moved to Pittsburgh, everyone said when I pronounced the word "Bob" it sounded to them like "Baahb" like "from Chicago"......So perceptions are quite different...But then again they didn't do nearly as much traveling as I did.
                         
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                          Re:Minnesota Accent Wed, 04/1/09 12:45 PM (permalink)
                          For those that are curious- here's the COPS episode that precipitated
                          the thread

                          http://www.hulu.com/watch/64973/cops-dazed-and-confused
                           
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                            Re:Minnesota Accent Sat, 04/4/09 5:34 PM (permalink)
                            I have to admit I agree with WJ.  I am a native Minnesotan.  My mother's family is from the Memphis area.  As a child, my cousins, always teased me about my accent.  It wasn't until about three years after I moved from MN to Phoenix that I could 'hear' that accent in my parents.  My previous statement about the coverage of the Fargo/Moorhead floods is a perfect example of a true (not diluted by those who have relocated) MN accent.  I like it, myself.
                             
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                              Re:Minnesota Accent Sat, 04/4/09 10:42 PM (permalink)
                              It depends somewhat on education.  I was eating in a restaurant here in TX and sitting at the counter.  Another customer and the waitress were arguing.  He said he was a native Texan while she said he could not be since he did not have the accent.  He said he "had it educated out of me."  He was being snobbish, but at least partially correct.
                               
                              When I worked in NYC the secretaries and draftsmen had more distinct accents than the engineers and accountants.

                               
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                                Re:Minnesota Accent Sat, 04/4/09 11:33 PM (permalink)
                                I'm fron Niagara Falls, NY and have an Inland or Great Lakes accent - I have spent the past 30 years since I moved away explaining that I do have a New York accent, but it's a Western New York one, not a New York City accent - I talk like people in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit or Chicago.
                                <message edited by Niagara on Sat, 04/4/09 11:36 PM>
                                 
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                                  Re:Minnesota Accent Sun, 04/5/09 12:11 AM (permalink)
                                  susanll


                                  I have to admit I agree with WJ.  I am a native Minnesotan.  My mother's family is from the Memphis area.  As a child, my cousins, always teased me about my accent.  It wasn't until about three years after I moved from MN to Phoenix that I could 'hear' that accent in my parents.  My previous statement about the coverage of the Fargo/Moorhead floods is a perfect example of a true (not diluted by those who have relocated) MN accent.  I like it, myself.


                                  Susan,

                                  I think you hit the nail on the head. The farther removed from an accent the more acute it will sound to you. Now do you suppose I would laugh my azz off listening to a Long Island transplant to Rhode Island?

                                  It is kind of interesting to how you adapt. My daughter-in-law, the college professor in Wisconsin, has but a faint Worcester, MA accent but when she talks on the phone with her parents it falls back into full mode.
                                   
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                                    Re:Minnesota Accent Sun, 04/5/09 9:06 AM (permalink)
                                      Hmmm, how strange, I didn't hear any accent at all !!    Dawn
                                     
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                                      Re:Minnesota Accent Sun, 04/5/09 11:18 AM (permalink)
                                      A couple notes about accents. I remember being in New orleans and hearing an accent that sounded like Jersey when someone explained to me that the working class accent of New Orleans did have a bit of Jersey in it.
                                          I have always had trouble identifying a western Oregon accent but the most famous example of it would probably be the actor David Ogden Steirs when he was not playing Major Winchester.
                                       
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                                        Re:Minnesota Accent Sun, 04/5/09 12:06 PM (permalink)
                                        Niagara

                                        The Pittsburgh accent is completely different from the rest. It actually falls in its own category....

                                        Davydd

                                        Funny you should mention it, most people around here think I'm from the South or Midwest, they're surprised when I tell them I'm from Long Island, then again 99% of Rhode Islanders have never left the state except to go to Foxwoods in nearby Connecticut or just "over the border" into Massachusetts.

                                        Mr Chips

                                        The New Orleans accent  is unique  but sounds completely southern to me. I don't hear any New Jersey in it. Again, it's a delta accent, which means they don't pronounce their "r's" like they do in other parts of the south.
                                        Hey, isn't Sally Struthers from Western Oregon?
                                         
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                                          mr chips

                                          Re:Minnesota Accent Sun, 04/5/09 1:59 PM (permalink)
                                          Yeah Sally Struthers is from portland as is Sam Elliott.
                                           
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                                            Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 04/6/09 10:10 AM (permalink)
                                            Wanderingjew-

                                             Having spent some time in the 'Burg, I have to say that I couldn't hear a great deal of difference between Bufflao-ese and Pittsburgh-ese - they both sound like Cleveland-ese and Detroit-ese.  Could you elaborate on why you consider a Pittsburgh accent "completely different"?
                                             
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                                              Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 04/6/09 10:31 AM (permalink)
                                              Niagara


                                              Wanderingjew-

                                               Having spent some time in the 'Burg, I have to say that I couldn't hear a great deal of difference between Bufflao-ese and Pittsburgh-ese - they both sound like Cleveland-ese and Detroit-ese.  Could you elaborate on why you consider a Pittsburgh accent "completely different"?


                                              Yes,
                                               
                                              if you look at the dialect map of the USA, you'll see that Pittsburgh gets it's own little section...
                                               
                                              I've also previously included  a link of a local Pittsburgh commercial - with a very distinct Pittsburghese accent
                                               
                                               
                                              The Pittsburgh accent has its own unique pronounciation. It lacks the hard vowels
                                              that the the Great Lakes accent has and also has that "philadelphia or baltimore" sounding long o sound. (coke sounds like "keh-ohk") and has some "West Virginia" thrown in as well.
                                              Most importantly the ow sound is very distinct. Downtown actually sounds like "dantahn" and the long "i" sound is very unique- (bathroom tile sounds like "bathroom towel") in addition,  the long "e" sometimes comes across as a short "i" "steel mill sounds like "still mill" and then there's the don dawn thing- too.
                                              Besides, that there are distinctive unique  phrases that Pittsburghers use which is too detailed to get into.
                                              <message edited by wanderingjew on Mon, 04/6/09 10:33 AM>
                                               
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                                                Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 04/6/09 12:49 PM (permalink)
                                                The most annoying local word pronounciation here in Kansas is "onery" - Kansans love to  love to describe themselves as being "onery",  when they mean "ornery".
                                                 
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                                                  Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 04/6/09 1:10 PM (permalink)
                                                  Niagara


                                                  The most annoying local word pronounciation here in Kansas is "onery" - Kansans love to  love to describe themselves as being "onery",  when they mean "ornery".


                                                  Niagara,
                                                   
                                                  When I think of someone with the typical Kansas accent, Bob Dole always came to mind.
                                                   
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                                                    Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 04/6/09 2:11 PM (permalink)
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                                                    Niagara


                                                    The most annoying local word pronounciation here in Kansas is "onery" - Kansans love to  love to describe themselves as being "onery",  when they mean "ornery".


                                                    Niagara,
                                                     
                                                    When I think of someone with the typical Kansas accent, Bob Dole always came to mind.


                                                    Have you noticed that The Bobster looks like the love child of the Grinch and Lon Chaney's Phantom of the Opera these days?
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                                                      Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 04/6/09 3:51 PM (permalink)
                                                      mr chips


                                                      A couple notes about accents. I remember being in New orleans and hearing an accent that sounded like Jersey when someone explained to me that the working class accent of New Orleans did have a bit of Jersey in it.
                                                          I have always had trouble identifying a western Oregon accent but the most famous example of it would probably be the actor David Ogden Steirs when he was not playing Major Winchester.


                                                      There was significant Italian immigration to New Orleans last century.  And then, of course there's the Irish Channel.
                                                       
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                                                        Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 04/6/09 4:06 PM (permalink)
                                                        MiamiDon


                                                        mr chips


                                                        A couple notes about accents. I remember being in New orleans and hearing an accent that sounded like Jersey when someone explained to me that the working class accent of New Orleans did have a bit of Jersey in it.
                                                            I have always had trouble identifying a western Oregon accent but the most famous example of it would probably be the actor David Ogden Steirs when he was not playing Major Winchester.


                                                        There was significant Italian immigration to New Orleans last century.  And then, of course there's the Irish Channel.


                                                        That is true, but from my experiences, the children of Italian immigrants talk exactly like others who grew up in the surrounding area.
                                                         
                                                        I remember one of my coworkers here in Rhode Island ,  a fellow of Italian descent was amazed when he was talking to an Italian attorney in West Virginia who "sounded just like a hillbilly"  (his words not mine)
                                                         
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                                                          Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 04/6/09 5:25 PM (permalink)
                                                          wanderingjew



                                                          If you want to talk about overdone accents, just watch any episode of the sopranos.
                                                          I grew up on Long Island, lived in Brooklyn and Queens and knew people from New Jersey and never met anyone who sounded like the characters on that show.  Now that I live in Rhode Island, to me it sounds more like a Rhode Island accent everyone sounds like that (and you don't have to be Italian)



                                                          Wandering,

                                                          Very few people in NJ sound like that.  Every now and then you'll run into them.  Most I'm convinced play it up or are from Bayonne, NJ or Staten Island.  Actually, I think Sopranos made more people play it up.  And I have never in all my life in NJ heard anyone with the "joisey" accent.  People from North Jersey tend to sound more like new yorkers and people from south jersey tend to sound more like they are from pennsylvania. 

                                                          When I visited Boston I was disappointed at the lack of a "Boston" accent.  I was expecting much thicker.
                                                           
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                                                            Re:Minnesota Accent Mon, 04/6/09 6:19 PM (permalink)
                                                            fattybomatty


                                                            wanderingjew



                                                            If you want to talk about overdone accents, just watch any episode of the sopranos.
                                                            I grew up on Long Island, lived in Brooklyn and Queens and knew people from New Jersey and never met anyone who sounded like the characters on that show.  Now that I live in Rhode Island, to me it sounds more like a Rhode Island accent everyone sounds like that (and you don't have to be Italian)



                                                            Wandering,

                                                            Very few people in NJ sound like that.  Every now and then you'll run into them.  Most I'm convinced play it up or are from Bayonne, NJ or Staten Island.  Actually, I think Sopranos made more people play it up.  And I have never in all my life in NJ heard anyone with the "joisey" accent.  People from North Jersey tend to sound more like new yorkers and people from south jersey tend to sound more like they are from pennsylvania. 

                                                            When I visited Boston I was disappointed at the lack of a "Boston" accent.  I was expecting much thicker.


                                                            "Youse" guys are reinforcing what I said previously - the closer you live to an accent the less you hear of it, the farther away the more you hear of it.
                                                             
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