NYC Best Hot Dogs

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Tony Bad

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RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 12:30 PM (permalink)

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Originally posted by seafarer john

At issue here is the NYTimes, not the relative "status" or personality of any of our members.

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As I said previously, the Times Food section has a blatant elitist attitude- if you are a "nobody" (even if you have gained great knowlwdge in your area) you are not worthy of a credit, if you are wellborn, wellconnected, wellschooled, your name comes up in 12 point bold type.

Yeah...what you said...and they don't include NASCAR results in the sports section either! (at least they never used to...I stopped reading it a while ago).

I personally like the Halo Berlin style dog. Definitely not as spicy as the others, but a classic with just a squirt of a good deli style mustard. I live near a Karl Ehmer store and enjoy these at home frequently.

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sizz

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Location: San Jose, CA

RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 1:59 PM (permalink)

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Michael Hoffman Posted - 05/27/2005 : 16:37:53
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Originally posted by Lindaagain

Gee I just finished reading the Times article "It's All in How the Dog Is Served" by ED LEVINE
I don't understand why John Fox thinks that he should have been mentioned in this article. I believe most writers are going to "talk" to hundreds of people to gather information in a piece there writing.
I'm a hot dog love, I was born and raised in Manhattan and reading that Times peace about my beloved hot dog didn't really tell me anything I didn't already know. Any one watching TV today will see all sorts of documentaries on hot dogs and the same info that was in the Times article was hashed over and over.
So I ask John Fox what's the beef?
And now this guy John Seafarer wants to bury the Times?

lol ..........one more thing for this my first entry into this Blog............ I lived in the City for over 60 years and I've eaten a million hot dogs almost one every day (I'm not kidding)......... my favorite is Grays Papaya because I live a 1/2 block away and as I emerge from the subway station each day I'll walk right passed Grays and I'll be damned I cant pass it without stopping in. I've been doing that ever since they opened and you know what Mr. John Fox? that Levine guy at the Times didn't mention me in his article either ,,,,,Oh the humanity!!!!
I'm Linda Again.........

Let's back up just a bit. John never said he thought he should have been mentioned. He said he thought he would have been mentioned. As a guy who has been a reporter and editor for more than 40 years I must say that I am surprised he wasn't mentioned. I must also point out that your belief that a newspaper writer is going to talk to hundreds of people to gather information for a "piece there (sic) writing" is as far from the truth as it is possible to get.

It is obvious from this piece that the writer spoke with several people, but it is equally obvious that most of the information he presented relating to the origins, manufacture and recipes for the hotdogs used in the various places mentioned came from John, a recognized authority on the subject who has been the quoted source for a number of newspaper and magazine articles about hotdogs.

It is equally obvious from your post that in addition to having not the slightest idea how reporters and editors work, you also know very little about hotdogs.

Have a very nice day.

Michael Hoffman:
Mike old man............. I have a question for you, seeing that you have all of 40 yeas reporting and editing.
Is the word (hot dog) a two word noun or is it one word like you use (hotdog)
I'm a little confused because even the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary explanation is that (hot dog) is a frankfurter and (hotdog) is to perform in a conspicuous or often ostentatious manner. I can understand your relationship to that meaning so perhaps that is why you incorrectly misspelled HOT DOG
My reference being our in house hot dog expert John Fox, who I assume correctly uses it as two words HOT(space)DOG .....................as every one else.

Also that was quite a welcome to "Roadfood" you and Rick F. gave Linda Again a new poster. I am sure she can feel the warmth and love you two have for this web site and the people who use it.

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Michael Hoffman

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Location: Gahanna, OH

RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 2:35 PM (permalink)

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Originally posted by fpczyz[br

Michael Hoffman:
Mike old man............. I have a question for you, seeing that you have all of 40 yeas reporting and editing.
Is the word (hot dog) a two word noun or is it one word like you use (hotdog)
I'm a little confused because even the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary explanation is that (hot dog) is a frankfurter and (hotdog) is to perform in a conspicuous or often ostentatious manner. I can understand your relationship to that meaning so perhaps that is why you incorrectly misspelled HOT DOG
My reference being our in house hot dog expert John Fox, who I assume correctly uses it as two words HOT(space)DOG .....................as every one else.

Also that was quite a welcome to 'Roadfood' you and Rick F. gave Linda Again a new poster. I am sure she can feel the warmth and love you two have for this web site and the people who use it.

First of all, my name is not Mike. If my name happened to be Mike I would not use Michael. But, to get to your point about the spelling of the word used to denote a frankfurter, hot dog and hotdog are interchangeable according to several stylebooks used by print and broadcast organizations. In addition to the use of the word hotdog in reference to certain sorts of performance, it is also used interchangeably with hot dog in the form of a joyous exclamation.

Should a legitimate question of pleasantries or warmth arise I shall consider your recent ridicule here of another poster. In the meantime, I feel obliged to suggest that you get bent.

Oh, and do have a pleasant day.

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harriet1954

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Joined: 3/29/2003
Location: Voorhees, NJ

RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 2:46 PM (permalink)

As soon as I saw, "Mike, old man..." I shook my head and thought, "he has no idea...". Say, I haven't heard "Get bent" since my brothers used it in the mid-sixties! Nostalgic. Keep it coming because I enjoy your posts, Michael.

My mom always called it a frankfurter.

As for lindaagain, every single post from that one...........I won't finish the sentence................(more dots, please, you don't put enough of them).

And as I'm not a New Yorker, I have no comment on the subject except that I do read the entertainment/dining section online quite regularly and find it entertaining. And that's it.

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Michael Hoffman Total Posts: 14550 Joined: 7/1/2000 Location: Gahanna, OH	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 3:03 PM (permalink) That was very kind of you. Thank you.
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GordonW Total Posts: 924 Joined: 11/13/2003 Location: Chapel Hill, NC	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 3:03 PM (permalink) I think my mother would have said "hot dog." And she also would have said, "Why do these people get so upset? It's just a hot dog."
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John Fox

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Joined: 12/3/2000
Location: Union, NJ

RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 4:20 PM (permalink)

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Originally posted by Tony Bad

quote:
Originally posted by seafarer john

At issue here is the NYTimes, not the relative "status" or personality of any of our members.

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As I said previously, the Times Food section has a blatant elitist attitude- if you are a "nobody" (even if you have gained great knowlwdge in your area) you are not worthy of a credit, if you are wellborn, wellconnected, wellschooled, your name comes up in 12 point bold type.

Yeah...what you said...and they don't include NASCAR results in the sports section either! (at least they never used to...I stopped reading it a while ago).

I personally like the Halo Berlin style dog. Definitely not as spicy as the others, but a classic with just a squirt of a good deli style mustard. I live near a Karl Ehmer store and enjoy these at home frequently.

I haven't yet been to Hallo Berlin. Do you know where they get their sausages from? I've heard that it is Schaller & Weber. For those of you who may be interested, tomorrow (Sun May 29th)there will be a Maifest at The Old Bay Restaurant at 61-63 Church St. in New Brunswick, right off rt 27 near Rutgers. Admission of $10.00 includes a buffet consisting of Assorted Grilled Sausages (including bratwurst), Saurkraut, German Potato Salad, Roasted Pork with beer sauce, Sauerbraten, Braised Red Cabbage and Apples, Potato Pancakes, Pretzel Crusted Chicken, Black Forest Cake, as well as your first beer. They serve quality imported beer and micros on tap. Known as a Cajun restaurant with one of the better beer bars in the area. They will also have live German music.

Last year the sausages were from Schaller & Weber. I'll be going and I hope to see some of you there. A great time if you like beer and German food. I'll be wearing a Roadfood tee shirt.

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sizz Total Posts: 1668 Joined: 2/12/2004 Location: San Jose, CA	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 4:58 PM (permalink) quote: Michael Hoffman Posted - 05/28/2005 : 14:35:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, and do have a pleasant day. Thanks for the kind words Mike, and I wish you the same.
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Michael Hoffman Total Posts: 14550 Joined: 7/1/2000 Location: Gahanna, OH	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 5:03 PM (permalink) quote: Originally posted by fpczyz quote: Michael Hoffman Posted - 05/28/2005 : 14:35:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, and do have a pleasant day. Thanks for the kind words Mike, and I wish you the same. Think nothing of it Mr. Btfsplk.
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UncleVic Total Posts: 6020 Joined: 10/14/2003 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Roadfood Insider	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 5:14 PM (permalink) New York Times? huh... I get my daily info from Roadfood! I'd rather get multiple views, including Mr. Fox's for my decisions. Atleast credit is givin where due.. Now off to sample my new package of Koegels Vienna Natural Casing franks!
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Michael Hoffman Total Posts: 14550 Joined: 7/1/2000 Location: Gahanna, OH	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 5:24 PM (permalink) quote: Originally posted by UncleVic Now off to sample my new package of Koegels Vienna Natural Casing franks! Never heard of them. Where are they from?
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Tony Bad

Total Posts: 4839
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RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 5:34 PM (permalink)

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I haven't yet been to Hallo Berlin. Do you know where they get their sausages from? I've heard that it is Schaller & Weber. For those of you who may be interested, tomorrow (Sun May 29th)there will be a Maifest at The Old Bay Restaurant at 61-63 Church St. in New Brunswick, right off rt 27 near Rutgers. Admission of $10.00 includes a buffet consisting of Assorted Grilled Sausages (including bratwurst), Saurkraut, German Potato Salad, Roasted Pork with beer sauce, Sauerbraten, Braised Red Cabbage and Apples, Potato Pancakes, Pretzel Crusted Chicken, Black Forest Cake, as well as your first beer. They serve quality imported beer and micros on tap. Known as a Cajun restaurant with one of the better beer bars in the area. They will also have live German music.

Last year the sausages were from Schaller & Weber. I'll be going and I hope to see some of you there. A great time if you like beer and German food. I'll be wearing a Roadfood tee shirt.

I was only there a couple of times, so I am unsure of the answer to your question. The article in THAT paper

said their dogs were from Karl Ehmer, perhaps the sausages are from the same place. KArl Ehmer products are good, but I usually go to the Forest Pork Store for my German style franks and sausages. It is a bit further than Karl Ehmer, so it depends how much time I have.

That Maifest sounds good...I may have to see if I can get over there! Thanks for the tip!

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sizz

Total Posts: 1668
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Location: San Jose, CA

RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 5:36 PM (permalink)

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Michael Hoffman Posted - 05/28/2005 : 17:03:39
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Originally posted by fpczyz

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Michael Hoffman Posted - 05/28/2005 : 14:35:28
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Oh, and do have a pleasant day.

Thanks for the kind words Mike, and I wish you the same.

Think nothing of it Mr. Btfsplk.

Mr.Btfsplk? Mike your such a lovable Shmoo, drop the formality and call me Joe

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Michael Hoffman Total Posts: 14550 Joined: 7/1/2000 Location: Gahanna, OH	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 5:42 PM (permalink) Obviously, I've not made myself clear. My name is Michael. On the other hand, I suppose it's always possible that you are merely being a boor.
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sizz Total Posts: 1668 Joined: 2/12/2004 Location: San Jose, CA	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 5:56 PM (permalink) ooohhhhhh you made your self perfectly clear Mike, and thank you for exposing your soft spot. You really didn't think I was going to cut you some slack with that "get bent" comment did you?
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John Fox Total Posts: 2175 Joined: 12/3/2000 Location: Union, NJ	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 7:23 PM (permalink) Forgot to mention, the Maifest starts at 1 pm and runs to 6 or 7.
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UncleVic Total Posts: 6020 Joined: 10/14/2003 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Roadfood Insider	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sat, 05/28/05 9:52 PM (permalink) quote: Originally posted by Michael Hoffman quote: Originally posted by UncleVic Now off to sample my new package of Koegels Vienna Natural Casing franks! Never heard of them. Where are they from? Michigan... And yes, they where good!
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ohman Total Posts: 262 Joined: 6/19/2004 Location: Worcester, MA	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sun, 05/29/05 8:38 AM (permalink) I think it is time for a moderator to step in here before this thread gets out of hand, I have seen it happen here before and it seems it is heading in the direction.
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Michael Hoffman Total Posts: 14550 Joined: 7/1/2000 Location: Gahanna, OH	RE: NYC Best Hot Dogs Sun, 05/29/05 10:45 AM (permalink) quote: Originally posted by UncleVic quote: Originally posted by Michael Hoffman quote: Originally posted by UncleVic Now off to sample my new package of Koegels Vienna Natural Casing franks! Never heard of them. Where are they from? Michigan... And yes, they where good! I'll look for them the next time I'm up fishing.
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