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ellen4641

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RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Wed, 02/6/08 9:11 PM (permalink)
quote:
Originally posted by billyboy

That brisket looks like it has a good smoke ring on it. How was the texture? Was there a good smoke taste to it. I went there with friends about two years ago and didn't like it at all. Mushy meats and no smoke flavor

Nice crusted edges on the brisket, It looked like smoke rings in front of the crusted edges, but not really much of a smoky taste though...
texture was pretty tender & slightly moist ; definitely better than I expected. (in contrast to a horrible dried out well done brisket sandwich I took out over the summer from R.U.B.. .....IMO, no brisket should ever be served SO dried out like that! The cow was definitely dead! Never an excuse for that....
Spanky's IS an odd place, huh?!? It's like they're slogan is "We're not that good, and we know it" . They're not confident, (somehow they know that Sundays always "die down quick"...like they don't expect to ever get busy, etc)
I feel that they could be a lot better if they wanted to be....

I did love their jalapeno poppers (their appetizers may be better than most of the entrees, huh?), and the delicacy of drinking their tasty homemade black cherry soda...
 
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    Baah Ben

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    RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Thu, 02/7/08 3:06 PM (permalink)
    The Traveling Man rules! Good for you Dude....I returned a pastrami sandwich (I had table service which I rarely do) at Katz's and the manager came right over. The replacement was great, too. Things happen like you said. You jsut have to stand up for yourself when they do..In a nice way.

    I love those slicer guys at Katz's. If you hit the right one, you can get 3-4 slices before he even starts to make your sandwich. I have to try Sarge's next time though. I had an opportunity before and I was afraid it would not be good. Now I know better thanks to Ellen! She's the girl on this site!!

    You guys may miss the "grittiness" of the former 8th Avenue neighborhood, but trust me, it was a lot worse than you may realize. I lived through it on a first hand basis for a long time. We owned a building on 46th and 8th Avenues and saw it change from a nice neighborhood in the 50's to a horrendous area of town in the late 60's through the very early 80's. Values dropped by 75% at one point. Our building had to be boarded up; We got fined thousands of dollars as the absentee building's owner. We rented out the entire building to one tenant and she ran it as a brothel!

    Rudy came along, changed the face of the neighborhood, saved our building and the neighborhood! The rest is history, if you owned real estate in that area of town. Disney moved in and that was it!
    I LOVE RUDY!

     
    #32
      wallhd

      RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Thu, 02/7/08 5:00 PM (permalink)
      We manage to get to NYC once a year so so, usually during President's Week. That will be the case week after next. Will be staying, as usual, at the NY Hilton and Towers (NYS Association of Towns annual meeting).

      Ellen your good bad and ugly have given me a lot to think about. Maybe the best place to leave the cell phone is in the hotel room when we go out and about!

      Wally
       
      #33
        Twinwillow

        RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Thu, 02/7/08 6:32 PM (permalink)
        quote:
        Originally posted by wallhd

        We manage to get to NYC once a year so so, usually during President's Week. That will be the case week after next. Will be staying, as usual, at the NY Hilton and Towers (NYS Association of Towns annual meeting).

        Ellen your good bad and ugly have given me a lot to think about. Maybe the best place to leave the cell phone is in the hotel room when we go out and about!

        Wally


        Yeah, in the hotel room safe!
         
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          ellen4641

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          RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Thu, 02/7/08 9:04 PM (permalink)
          quote:
          Originally posted by wallhd

          Ellen your good bad and ugly have given me a lot to think about. Maybe the best place to leave the cell phone is in the hotel room when we go out and about!

          Wally

          The time before when I went into NYC, I did'nt even WANT to bring my cell with me. (I figured the less stuff I had , the better), but my sis , and my buddy Arnie, gave me heat about it! (as in "You might need it!!") I figured that unless I got kidnapped, it was'nt mandatory that I made any calls out. I should've stuck with my original plans, cause my luck ran out.
           
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            ellen4641

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            RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Thu, 02/7/08 9:12 PM (permalink)
            UPDATE :

            A few days after getting back from NYC, I enjoyed this delicious homemade turkey from Sarge's Deli for breakfast before work. (I had it cut right from the frame. They had a huge turkey on display on the top shelf) (and I asked for some turkey skin, which I loved , too...... juicy and seasoned just right) Tasted just like mom used to make!

            I also had some pastrami , (good Sarge's pastrami pic in my "NYC deli adventures", the previous report)

            p.s Thanks Baah Ben , for more kind words!

            p.p.s. And thanks for the first-hand education on JUST HOW BAD that 8th ave/Times Square area was...
            (so some of those hookers we saw on 8th ave may actually have been living in that brothel that you unwittingly owned... yikes)
             
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              doggydaddy

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              RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Thu, 02/7/08 9:19 PM (permalink)


              Ellen,

              Your loss caused me to be extra cautious on my visit. I knew that Iwas going to be jumping into the eye of the storm with the enormous crowds. So I wore my leather jacket that has many inside pockets and outside ones with zippers, a hoody sweatshirt with more slots along with my backpack. It actually became too confusing to figure out where I hid what and where.
              To be honest, the best place for me to keep things is still in my back pocket as I have a tender tooshie....

              mark
               
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                JAKE91

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                RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Fri, 02/8/08 10:32 AM (permalink)
                quote:
                Originally posted by The Travelin Man

                quote:
                Originally posted by Baah Ben

                So, what do you do when that happens.............You're paying $14 plus for the pastrami sandwich and you see that it is not the big wide slices you get when they just put a new one on the slicer. Do you ask for another one? Tough call...Can you imagine calling oveer one of those old timers (waiters) and telling him why you don't want the sandwich......Oh boy!


                I don't know what I would do at Carnegie - never has happened. And, I don't know what I would do if it was pastrami - as I am more of a corned beef guy, but this happened to me on my last visit to Katz's....

                Arrived on a Sunday night - drove in straight from Newark airport. The place was busy, but not overwhelmingly so. I waited in one of the cutter's lines and almost immediately realized that I wasn't in the "right" line, as my guy seemed to be taking quite some time - a little chatty maybe. But, I am in no particular rush. Besides, I recognized some of the other guys, and knew better than to switch to theirs. Scary when you start to know the staff of a restaurant you live 1200 miles from.

                I finally make it to the front and order a corned beef. The guy has one out already and slices off two skimpy slices for the "taste." That should have been my first clue. It was way too fatty. The fat should compliment the taste of the meat - not overpower it. I admit to being a little distracted by what was going on - engaging in conversation with my friend who I hadn't seen in awhile, etc. When he put the sandwich in front of me, I questioned the guy and said that it looked pretty fatty. He told me it was fine - the top pieces just looked fatty - and it adds flavor. OK...maybe I missed some of the good stuff going inside.

                I get to the table and I took one bite and almost spit the thing out. It was nauseating. All I could taste was fat. I took the sandwich and brought it back up to the guy - told him, politely, that the sandwich was unacceptable and that I would prefer another one. Well, now the people in the line behind me start to give me a hard time. One Kramer-esque character starts yelling at me to get to the back of the line - the cutter tells me not to worry - he'll fix it. Finally, when I had enough of "Kramer" yelling at me (and, basically, calling me an uneducated tourist), I turned to him and recalling all the NY attitude I could muster said - "Look pal, I know what a sandwich from here should taste like - been coming here 20+ years. This sandwich was awful, and I already waited in the line 20 minutes to get that bad one." I turned right back to the cutter and loudly said - "this is the kind of sandwich you serve to a guy who doesn't tip you - *I* tipped you!"

                The sandwich I got was perfect. The meat was juicy and flavorful - and there was enough fat to keep the concept intact. About ten minutes into eating, the cutter comes by my table to ask how everything was and apologize. I told him that everything was fine - and he need not apologize - things happen. He sits down at one of the other chairs and says "you're not going to believe this - but, sometimes we do serve those kinds of sandwiches to the guys who don't tip." I said "I know." He says "yeah, but get this, the guy who was giving you trouble...he stiffed me!" I told him that he seemed just like that - which is why I made the comment that I did.

                On my way out, I dropped another $5 into the tip jar (I was on business travel anyway!) and thanked him for the new sandwich.

                It is service like that - that keeps me going back to Katz's.



                HAHAHA, "that keeps you going back???!!!" HAHAHA, surely you are joking?!

                You actually enjoy that type of attitude and rudeness?! I would have demanded my money AND tip back! As for "kramer", that could have been settled in another manner, you were way too polite to the scumbag.

                Thats what keeps JAKE91, AWAY from NYC!!!





                 
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                  The Travelin Man

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                  RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Fri, 02/8/08 11:16 AM (permalink)
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by JAKE91

                  HAHAHA, "that keeps you going back???!!!" HAHAHA, surely you are joking?!

                  You actually enjoy that type of attitude and rudeness?! I would have demanded my money AND tip back! As for "kramer", that could have been settled in another manner, you were way too polite to the scumbag.

                  Thats what keeps JAKE91, AWAY from NYC!!!


                  The cutter wasn't rude to me at all, nor did he give me attitude. He did his job - and corrected a problem when it was addressed. For all of the places that include attitude as part of the "charm" of going there - and the attitude comes in the form of forced or faux "schtick" - let me just say that Katz's is the real deal. It is more "banter" with the countermen than attitude. Further, I have been there on more than one occasion where the owner (he's the guy in the pictures with all the celebrities on the wall) came over and asked how everything was. He is a hands-on workaholic - which is why I know that if I do have a problem there, it will be taken care of - promptly. I should also add that while I have been going there 20+ years, this is the first time I have ever considered not eating the sandwich originally served to me.

                  Yes, those are the things that keep me going back.

                  On any other night with "Kramer," I may have been more belligerent, but it just wasn't worth the time/effort/energy or being kept away from my sandwich for any length of time.

                  As for "keeping you away from NYC" - well, my opinion is that it is you who are missing out. Of the 30 trip reports that are most recent - 10 of them - one-third - are from NYC and the immediate surrounding area. Ironically, enough, many of those reports don't overlap too many of the same places. Besides, you are one less person who will be on the long line at Katz's next time I am there!
                   
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                    ellen4641

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                    RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Fri, 02/8/08 1:18 PM (permalink)
                    quote:
                    Originally posted by doggydaddy



                    Ellen,

                    Your loss caused me to be extra cautious on my visit. I knew that Iwas going to be jumping into the eye of the storm with the enormous crowds. So I wore my leather jacket that has many inside pockets and outside ones with zippers
                    To be honest, the best place for me to keep things is still in my back pocket as I have a tender tooshie....

                    mark

                    I'm concerned if you are keeping everything in your back pocket, Mark.. (even if you do have that "tender toosh"). Those professionals are so good that you won't feel a thing...

                    I remember reading how pickpockets loved operating at the outside sidewalk free Pirate show at the Treasure Island casino in Vegas..
                     
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                      JAKE91

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                      RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Fri, 02/8/08 1:20 PM (permalink)
                      OH.

                       
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                        ellen4641

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                        RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Fri, 02/8/08 9:32 PM (permalink)
                        As far as your bad corned beef experience, I'm glad they gave you a much better replacement, Travelin Man.

                        I'd be curious if the cutter saw you stuff the extra tip into the jar, cause if he DID, I think the proper response from him should have been , "No, take it back, I insist; I'm just really glad you enjoyed the new sandwich".

                        I enjoy tipping, and I work for tips, and often enough we all get caught up in tipping twice for something that really should've been done right the first time. Because the guy is real nice about it, etc, but I usually feel like a bit of a sucker, for some reason...

                         
                        #42
                          mr chips

                          RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Sat, 02/9/08 7:48 PM (permalink)
                          Great report, Ellen.I'm sad about your loss of the cell phone but it sounds like you created wonderful experiences in your most recent trip. i love hearing about your adventures.
                           
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                            bob12312357

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                            RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Tue, 02/12/08 8:51 PM (permalink)
                            Damn,how do u manage 2 eat like that and stay petite,lol. Sorry to hear about the pick pocket incident.People in NYC can be a lil rough.
                             
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                              ellen4641

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                              RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Tue, 02/12/08 9:21 PM (permalink)
                              quote:
                              Originally posted by bob12312357

                              Damn,how do u manage 2 eat like that and stay petite,lol

                              thanks bob123 & welcome to Roadfood.com...(you'll love it here..)
                              Regarding keeping the weight down : It's not easy!! I've put on a few pounds or so this winter; I feel it...
                              I have to continually keep up with it... cause it comes back on my hips so quick! (I rarely do any late night eating, except for special occasions, like parties and hot dates) , I try to take powerwalks/jogs before and after work, but it makes it hard to stay out for long when it's so cold out there, though (and rainy too, now)

                              Sometimes I'll have a big lunch, then that's IT for the day! (like the big ribeye steak I dined out on yesterday)

                              So I like the theory of "eat early, so there's plenty of time to burn it up!!"







                               
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                                bob12312357

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                                RE: NYC part 2, return visit Feb. 3, the good &bad Tue, 02/12/08 9:30 PM (permalink)
                                1 big meal is a bad thing 4 the metabolism. Then again I have little right to talk as I don't have one.lol Anything over 2500 calories a day I gain weight,even my doc was like WTH? I wish I could eat 2x as much as you since I'm twice as big. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
                                 
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