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2004/05/19 09:48:40 (permalink)

N.Y.vsChicago Pizza

Just got through watcthing the travel channels pizza wars and N.Y.Style won!I have never been a fan of thick crust pizza,for one,How do all the ingedients get cooked under that mass of dough.Its got to be greasy,where else does the grease have a place to go.Somebody please enlighten me as to which one do you think should be number one.I will forever stick to my thin crust thank you.
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    fcbaldwin
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/05/19 11:03:23 (permalink)
    I think I saw an episode of pizza wars. The one where they had firefighters in NYC as well as in Chicago do a taste test of each of the types of pizza. Predictably, the NYC guys preferred the thin crust, and the Chicago guys preferred the thick, if I recall correctly. Anyway, I prefer the New York kind of pizza, with thin but not overly cooked crust.

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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/05/19 11:32:16 (permalink)
    As a Chicago native, I must say I really like a well-made Chicago-style pizza. There are far too many poorly-made ones! However, hometown loyalty cannot refute the unquestioned superiority of thin-crust pizza in the Northeast.

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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/05/19 11:58:02 (permalink)
    This strange penchant for making something best....so all others are less? Fold or eat with a fork? Is that what we're deciding? What happened to California Pizza? White sauce, different cheeses, Different toppings.To me the best thing about America is our ability to improvise and make things our own. We are such a mix of tradition and regimentation on one hand, and experimental and young on the other. I like 'em all! Pizza's barely Italian after this long in America.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/05/19 12:36:35 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by fcbaldwin

    I think I saw an episode of pizza wars. The one where they had firefighters in NYC as well as in Chicago do a taste test of each of the types of pizza. Predictably, the NYC guys preferred the thin crust, and the Chicago guys preferred the thick, if I recall correctly.


    But you left out the part where they went to an LA firehouse for the tiebreaker, and NYC won solidly (even though the pizzas were shipped and cooked in LA, which favors thicker pizza - hell, Uno will UPS you a pizza)
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/05/19 18:12:10 (permalink)
    Good pizza is good pizza, thick or thin, I love it all...if its good.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/05/19 18:19:54 (permalink)
    Yes, but when I want pizza, I don't want a lasagna in a pan.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/05/20 08:31:53 (permalink)
    I agree with Cosmos wholeheartedly.

    I am glad we have both varieties, not to mention all the regional variations like Old Forge.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/04 10:04:45 (permalink)
    I take exception to calling it New York style when in fact it's really Wooster street style that is where the best two Pizza restaraunts are after all. Frank Sinatra used to send his driver to Pepe's in NEw Haven on Wooster st for Pizza when in NY. Doesn't that say it all? NY style my butt
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/04 10:54:37 (permalink)
    Sally's and Pepe's may have perfected it, but they certainly didn't invent it... they all learned the style from the kitchen at Lombardi's, where Patsy Grimaldi happened to be doing the cooking...
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/04 10:55:45 (permalink)
    BTW, Frank sent his driver to SALLY's....
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/04 11:04:12 (permalink)
    Chicago pizza is great---Chicago "Style" pizza is aweful-----same for NY pizza...its great in NY but when someone in East Somewhere or other attempts its---look out! Looking to a thin crust pizza in Chicago is just dumb!--when in Rome......and if i am in Iowa---go with the tenderlion!!! New York vs Chicago----apples vs oranges! besides--we all know Conn has them both beat!
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/04 11:12:48 (permalink)
    > New York vs Chicago----apples vs oranges!

    More like champagne versus grape juice...
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/04 12:02:30 (permalink)
    As a NewYork-Midwestern-Californian, I'm With Bill Voss, he is on the money.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/04 12:07:30 (permalink)
    > This strange penchant for making something best.... so all others are less?

    Exactly, by definition


    > To me the best thing about America is our ability to
    > improvise and make things our own.

    Don't disagree with that, but to assume its all the same quality is ludicrous.
    Bagel dogs were innovative, they just weren't good.

    As Americans, we have the right to make whatever we want, including things that suck...
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 10:34:23 (permalink)
    I will say this.... it is a LOT easier to find a passable or good New York style pizza outside of New York/ New England than it is to find a good Chicago style pizza outside of Chicago. I live not that far from Chicago, so have been blessed to try the best of Chicago. I would be willing to say that many people, when given a GOOD one of either, would claim whichever one they are eating at the time to be the best. Granted, if you were born and raised in Chicago or New York, your loyalty will be much stronger.

    There are some poor Chicago style ones out there (anything made by a chain, including Uno's). A poor chicago style is awful. A poor new york pie is still farily good.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 10:38:23 (permalink)
    > A poor new york pie is still farily good.

    Not sure what planet you're on, or what what your point of reference is, but I've had the "best" NY pizza in several cities and barely made it past a few bites.

    My take is exactly the opposite of yours.

    A poor chicago pizza is still filled with a bunch of cheese and meat. You can almost ignore the crust. Hell, you put enough toppings on Dominos you can almost eat it.

    But bad ny pizza is a soggy slice of bread with a slice of cheese and ketchup. If you think that comes close, I'm not sure you've tated the good stuff.

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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 10:50:16 (permalink)
    The "bad NY pizza" you speak of I don't consider pizza. I am removing all crap pizza totally. Personally, my favorite is a GOOD chicago style. I have had some crappy Chicago style ones in my day. Uno's. Rosati's. I even had a chain one before, which doesn't count. Good ones would be from Lou Malnati's. Gino's East is good. A bunch of hole in the wall places are great (and some horrible).... problem is I have been to so many of them it is hard to keep them straight in my mind. Have college friends scattered throughout Chicago, and we go out for a good Chicago style pie quite regularly. Think the last place was Pizza Capri. Decent, other than the fact that my friend is a vegetarian, and the bastard ordered Spinach, not knowing I despise Spinach.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 11:01:14 (permalink)
    'All NYC pizza is good unless you don't include bad NYC pizza'.

    ???

    > A poor new york pie is still farily good.

    So, this only holds if you leave out any actually poor pies????

    'A poor new york pie is still fairly good unless its bad'
    ???

    The problem is that most of the "NYC-style" pizza falls into that category.

    I find 85% of Chicago style pizza I've had to be edible, as long as there is enough topping.
    NYC-style, maybe 5-10% once outside NYC...
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 11:12:44 (permalink)
    I am only excluding the sh_t places. You know them when you see them for the most part. 16" pizza for $5. Lots are found in college towns. Maybe a notch above (or even below) frozen pizza. I am blessed to live in a town that, while having few good restaurants, has a lot of good pizza places. Almost all of them serve Chicago style, though some are purely italian.

    Crap is crap. NY. Chicago. California. The experience you describe is from a crap place. I bet if that same crap place you speak of sold Chicago style, it would also be horrid.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 11:33:23 (permalink)
    > Crap is crap. NY. Chicago. California. The experience
    > you describe is from a crap place. I bet if that same
    > crap place you speak of sold Chicago style, it would
    > also be horrid.

    Sure.

    This just happens to describe 75-85% of the pizza joints I've tried outside NYC...
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 13:12:24 (permalink)
    My, My......
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 13:21:02 (permalink)
    Hey, if i took the amount of meat and cheese in chicago style and put in on a cracker in my toaster, it would taste good.

    Good NY-style requires finesse...
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 13:47:19 (permalink)
    I think Jersey is a sleeper state for finding excellent NY pizza and bagels. That is, if you beleive Jersey is a state, and not a sixth borough. At least north/central. 609 is a different state altogether.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 13:53:29 (permalink)
    Jersey City has some decent pizza. The older / concentrated areas can have some decent stuff.

    The suburbs are some of the worst pizza offenders I've ever tasted.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 14:02:52 (permalink)

    New York food critic Steven A. Shaw Had this to say about the apizza at Sally's in New Haven:

    "Nothing I had tasted in a lifetime of eating New York pizza could compete with what was being produced at Sally's Apizza. Sally's pizza was and is simply better than anything New York has to offer."
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 14:55:18 (permalink)
    Having had both Sally's and Pepe's last weekend (as well as probably another 30 weekends), and being a big proponent of both, I'm not exactly sure what this has to do with the thread...
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 14:59:57 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by mikeyjake

    Having had both Sally's and Pepe's last weekend (as well as probably another 30 weekends), and being a big proponent of both, I'm not exactly sure what this has to do with the thread...


    It was a response to claims that New York apizza is so good.
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/06/09 15:45:41 (permalink)
    > It was a response to claims that New York apizza is so good.

    Not exactly sure how its a "response"... Sally's *is* NY-style pizza. Sally's family learned from the original crew at Lombardi's (where Patsy Grimaldi was actually the baker), as did the founder of Joe's Pizza (another NYC landmark) and Patsy's pizza. Folks in the know have their favorites... Joe gets the masses (good PR, and they opened 2 other locations), but Grimaldi's gets the NYC nod from the "serious" eaters I know and Sally's gets it in New Haven. Its pretty close for me, depends on what you get.

    You'll notice that the original post says "Just got through watcthing the travel channels
    pizza wars and N.Y.Style won!"...

    New Haven country is partially a NY-suburb, if it matters. Metro-North, the NYC commuter line, stops within walking distance of Sally's.

    Caveat... I lived in New Haven for 3 years...
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    RE: N.Y.vsChicago Pizza 2004/07/20 18:57:41 (permalink)
    New York Style is the best no question about it!!! If ever in the NE section of the Bronx, you gotta go to Nicks Pizzaria on E Gun hill Rd. Best Slices, Sicillians Calzones and Heros ever. Many places in NYC make good Pizza, and Calzones, but not many places make a good sicillian slice.
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