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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 05/30/09 10:18 PM
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The bar was the Clubhouse on Spotswood-Englishtown Road in Monroe. The Sabrett cart was on the edge of the street in front of a strip mall called Suburban Plaza right down the street from the bar. The red truck was on Englishtown Road I believe. At least thats what the hot dog guy told me when I asked him.

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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 06/3/09 3:44 AM
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That's the place! thanks, been racking my brains over that one.

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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Fri, 06/5/09 10:24 PM
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Today, i make my way to this place that is called Hot Dog Heaven, No , i'm sorry it's the Hot Dogs, Sausages & Bratwursts  forum. WOW, what a place for a "HOT" dog freak like myself. anyway, i would like to say, i eat more than my share of dog's.

i'm sad that MATT closed amazing hot dog's in south bound brook. Matt u still have a invite for poker.

i'm sad, the real MR. DEE'S in Sayreville, and the outside carts are long GONE !!! mikey and denny were have you gone?

went today to that place called Father's and Son in Linden, NJ.  NOT BAD !!  chilli scored with me, onions were big with my travel eating buddy. the girl handling the counter was pretty good too!!!

may, i ask the forum for there top 5 "HOT DOG'S"  and  TOP 5 Places to visit ? the fixin's are no big deal, i eat them ALL !!

top dog's
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 top 5 places
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yes, i've been reading the many post, or should i say the hundreds of post. but, i like 1 2 3 type of orders. thanks and will see you soon.

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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Fri, 06/5/09 10:30 PM
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i be real interested in the hot dog run in september, were do i sign up ?

if it runs from five points, that would be allright with me, i've been 5 pointing it for over 40 years, CHARLIE'S FAMOUS ITALIAN also 40 plus years........

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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/6/09 12:22 AM
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Hi Dog Boss...welcome.

Top 5 hot dogs? Do you mean brands? My top 4 are
1. Sabrett
2. Hebrew National
3. Bests Provisions from Newark
4. Nathans Famous

Some places you should visit.
1. Charlie's Pool Room in Alpha
2. Jimmy Buff's
3. Rutt's Hutt
4. Max's in Long Branch
5. Boulivard Drinks in Jersey City
6. Any random Cart/Truck/Trailer with a Sabrett umbrella proudly displayed

Dave
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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/6/09 9:13 AM
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Here is a recent article that appeared in the New York Times about Lutz's in Union. It's in my town so I enjoy a hot dog from there occasionally.

http://events.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/nyregion/31qbitenj.html
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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/6/09 12:08 PM
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Welcome Dog Boss. Here are my favorite brands:

1. Thumans
2. Sabrett
3. Karl Ehmer
4. Lutz
5. Schaller and Weber
6. Nathans
Not necessarily in that order. While I enjoy chili dogs or ones with sauer kraut or other toppings I like hotdogs that can stand on their own or maybe with just a little mustard.
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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/6/09 12:16 PM
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ok,  DPuro329
i'm not a fan of your number #2 and #4  number 1 and 3 work for me, thumans and shickhaus work good too.
 
jimmy buffs, rutt's hutt, max's(just there the other day) all been hit many times each
 
the sabrett thing works too, but they have to be atleast 10's for me. i could list so many places, i'll add more over time to my post.  i did GEENIES WEENIES in branchburg last week with the wife and kids, the wife really like GEENIES  italian stlye dog, wife made big comments on the roll. she loved it.
 
thanks, i'll look for more places, as i head out today on my travels !!!!
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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/6/09 8:21 PM
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DogBoss,
Have you tried Lou G's Hot Dog Express? It was an excellent Sabrett trailer I ate at in Plainfield a few weeks ago. The guy parked on Myrtle Ave just off Rock Ave. He was South of Rt 22 and North of Rt 28 and behind the PSE&G yard that you can see from Rt 28.

Have you tried Reggie's? His trailer is in the D&R Canal Park parking lot on Canal St in South Bound Brook. I ate there a few weeks ago as well and enjoyed it. I think reviews I posted about them are on the previous page.

I've been meaning to try Geenies Weenies. I also passed a hot dog cart in Bridgewater on Rt 22. The guy was set up in a parking lot on 22 east almost immediately after you go under Rt 287.

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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sun, 06/7/09 7:49 AM
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Welcome Dog Boss. I'm from Woodbridge Township also. I lived in Iselin for 10 years and Colonia for 16.
 
I've been to Geenies Weenies and have mixed feelings about them. They serve the Thumann's griller which is an excellent dog. But they screwed up my order even after having it written down. I overlook that because they were only open a week or so. A great price (1.75) for a 6 to a lb Thumann's, but my dogs and my wife's were served barely warm. They also have a weird way of preparing them. They are griddled first, then deep fried. If I were using both methods, I would switch the order. I had one prepared this way and one that I requested just griddled. The griddled dog was better.
 
They also have a better than average chili that is slightly sweet with a little spice in the background. My dogs would have been much better had they been served hot enough. They use the same dog for their Italian Hot Dog. I wouldn't like it because I prefer an all beef dog for an Italian Hot Dog. And I'd rather have it on pizza bread.

Interesting subject, top 5 dogs. This is tough because there are so many good ones. And with the exception of the top 2 in each category (all beef and beef/pork), they change depending on what I'm in the mood for. As for favorite places to grab a dog, it doesn't always have to be the best one of the style. For example I like the Texas Weiner at Pappy's better than the Hot Grill. But the Hot Grill is a favorite because it is very close to Pappy's, but the service is much better. And the atmosphere is better. While I discount these things while judging the quality of a dog, I take them into consideration (especially distance I have to travel) when 2 dogs are very close in taste and I'm going to be eating there.

Top 5 German style beef and pork dogs.

1) Thumann's griller. 6 to a lb. Just a unique taste and great texture. The meat is top quality and the pork comes right off of their high quality hams. I pick this dog consistently when doing blind taste tests.

2) Hartmann's wieners. Another 6 to a lb natural casing dog. Available at Wegmans. Great rich, smoky flavor. Made by a guy who learned his craft in Vienna.

3) A frank made on premise at a butcher shop. These are the freshest hot dogs you can get anywhere. Sort of like getting a beer directly from the serving tank at a brewpub. These dogs are tender, juicy and loosely packed because they don't go through a procedure that sucks air out of the meat mixture. My favorites are Kocher's (Ridgefield Park), Lutz's (Union), Union Pork Store (Union), and the Kielbasy Store (formerly Continental Provisions in East Brunswick).

4) Schickhaus. Long 4 to a lb dog that is very good on the griddle. This is the dog served at Max's and many places on the Boardwalk. Similar to the Galloping Hill's dog. I cannot list that one because it isn't available to the public unless you go directly to the distributor.

5) Sahlen's. From Buffalo, N.Y. but available at Wegman's. This dog is served at Ted's in upstate N.Y. and Tempe, Arizona. Great charbroiled rather than griddled, these dogs have a big taste with a slight peppery taste in the background.

Other dogs in this style that can be listed here include Zweigel's Red (the White Hots are a different style), Hummel's, Mucke's, Kayem, and Karl Ehmer's.

Top 5 all beef dogs.

1) Best's. I grew up on these, but think that I would like them if I just started eating them. Great prepared any way, but especially fried (90% of Italian Hot Dog joints use this brand), and chargrilled. This was the dog served at Syd's (now gone) which many considered the best hot dog in New Jersey.

2) Usinger's. A bold spicy dog that is a little different than your typical Eastern style beef dog. Some esoteric spices and a little more smoke than what you normally get. But a tasty unique flavor. Many consider this the best hot dog in America.

3) Sabrett. I like the 10 to a lb natural casing frank that is served at Papaya King and Gray's. While Sabrett is known as a "dirty water dog" I think they taste great prepared on a griddle.

4) Boars Head. A straightforward dog that typifies the New York style beef dog. Not as spicy as a Nathan's or Sabrett, this is a delicious well made dog with a tough casing.

5) Hebrew National. I like the spicing of this dog. All listed here (except Boars Head) have a unique spicing that for me is easy to detect blindfolded. I buy the 8 to a lb Hebrew National with casing sold at Maple Kosher Meats in Union. They are always fresh and not left out where they can get dried out. I got one from Wegmans once that was dry from being exposed too long.

There are so many other great all beef dogs. It's hard to say what is best. It depends on your taste and the spicing you like. Other good beef dogs are Pearl, Karl Ehmer's, Grote & Weigel, Romanian Kosher, Nathan's, and Hatfield's N.Y. style.

5 Favorite places. This is really hard. A lot of good ones I don't go to often because of distance, difficulty parking (Boulevard Drinks, Jersey City), too long of a wait (Pappy's) or some other reason.

1) Jimmy Buff's East Hanover. This location serves a great dog prepared a unique way. The 5 to a lb Best natural casing (Syd's dog) is my favorite beef dog. At Syd's it was boiled then chargrilled on a gas grill. At Buff's it's sauteed in oil and finished off on a real charcoal grill, topped with my favorite mustard (Admiration deli mustard) and put on a quality Pechters/Rockland bakery bun. In my opinion there is no better dog. Buff's also invented the Italian Hot Dog. The place to go on Tuesday. Half price or buy one get one free.

2) Jerry's. Located in Elizabeth, they serve an 8 to a lb natural casing Best. It is boiled, then finished off on a grill for added crunch. I frequent this place more than any other since it is only a few miles away and the dogs are excellent.

3) Galloping Hill Inn. A top notch German style beef and pork dog prepared on a griddle. Nice big sturdy bun (I get 2 dogs or a double), and a good Dusseldorf style mustard. Right down the street from me, this place is second in terms of how many times I've gone to a particular place. It's where my wife took me on our first date. Indoor and outdoor seating. And beer.

4) Rutt's Hut. Though I preferred grilled most of the time, Rutt's is the place to go for a deep fried dog. Unique dog that goes well with their relish which is like no other relish I've tasted. One of the few dogs that I'll have with something other than mustard and chili. Great atmosphere and they serve beer also.

5) Papaya King (excellent griddled Sabrett dog), Hot Grill (great Texas Weiner, quick service), Father & Son (good spicy chili on a quality grilled beef dog), Dees (best dirty water Sabrett), Tommy's (great Italian Hot Dog 2.9 miles away), Frankly Burgers and More (a ways away in Freehold, but juicy griddled natural casing Best's and a top notch Italian Hot Dog), Manny's Texas Weiners (grilled Texas Wiener with thick spicy chili a few miles away), Costco (quarter pound Hebrew National and drink for $1.50)

This is off the top of my head. There are so many good dogs that this changes depending on mood. I'm sure I left some out as well.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sun, 06/7/09 9:09 AM
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I didn't even know that Hebrew National made a natural casing hot dog! I bet they're good, as I love their skinless dogs.
 
I have a friend who works for Pathmark, and I emailed her to ask what, if any, natural casing beef hot-dogs they sell.
 
I tried Wegman's in Hunt Valley, MD, yesterday and I saw some brands I never even heard of that were mentioned on this board.
 
 
 
 

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sun, 06/7/09 10:50 AM
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Hey Dog Boss ,

Welcome aboard buddy !!!!
John Fox and I run the Jersey Dog Tour every year .
The 6th Annual will be on Sat. Sept 26th .
We should  be departing at high Noon from GHI , we will confirm the intinerary at a later date .
Go to the Meets and Greets Forum there is quite an extensive thread on all of our trips .
Past attendees have first option to return this year until Aug 1st . I will put you on the list and will let  you know for sure after that date . Shoot me your email or keep watching the Meets and Greets thread for up to date info as we get closer .

We will visit 5 to 7 stops and be traveling via a deluxe Motorcoach with lavatory onboard .

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 06/8/09 8:12 PM
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I stopped at a new cart today. Bergley's Belly Busters is on County Route 517 in Hackettstown across from the M&M/Mars plant/office. He's been there about 3 weeks and is selling skinless Sabretts. I had one with mustard and relish which was good. The bun was steamed and the dog was a good size and heated through.

Dave

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 06/10/09 10:04 PM
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Where is Papaya King in NYC? If it is somewhere readily accessible, I fully intend to get there if I get to the city in the autumn.
 
I've heard alot about it on the Travel Channel.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 06/10/09 10:21 PM
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Beverly K


Where is Papaya King in NYC? If it is somewhere readily accessible, I fully intend to get there if I get to the city in the autumn.
 
I've heard alot about it on the Travel Channel.


179 East 86th Street at Third Avenue is the location of the original store. It is a block away from the Lexington Avenue Subway line (4,5 & 6 trains.) They have a few franchised locations as well:
http://www.papayaking.com/html/locations.htm
 

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Thu, 06/11/09 9:16 AM
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<<They have a few franchised locations as well:
http://www.papayaking.com/html/locations.htm

Interesting that under the Clifton location they have a picture of the group photo from the '07 NJ  Hot Dog Tour (although when you click to enlarge it you get a picture of a portion of the menu, I guess they would have needed everyone's permission to use a larger picture).

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Fri, 06/12/09 10:31 PM
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I'm amazed that a company as famous as Papaya King has only  such a small handful of locations.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sun, 06/14/09 9:05 AM
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Stopped at Hot Dog House again on route 17 south in Carlstadt on friday. Nice little place that uses natural casing sabretts. Variety of toppings of which I like the chili. On saturday I tried a new place. Went to the Belmont grill on Belmont ave in North Haledon. I had two Texas Weiners all the way. The sauce was really good. There are a few other places in the area that serve up Texas Weiners that I want to try.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 06/17/09 11:37 PM
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Had lunch at Father and Sons in Linden(the old J's Beef location and I gotta say I had 2 VERY GOOD dogs with Chili (excelent, spicy) mustard and onions. Great snap and solid texture(an indicator that they weren;t in the water too long.  As far as I'm concerned Subway can keep their $5 foot long subs; I'll have two chili dogs and a soda here for around 5 bucks over ANYTHING Subways got.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 06/17/09 11:40 PM
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Oh, and I gotta say 1 year removed from my beloved Amazing Hot Dog, I'm missing a good old Jersey Breakfast.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Thu, 06/18/09 6:24 AM
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Had lunch at Father and Sons in Linden(the old J's Beef location and I gotta say I had 2 VERY GOOD dogs with Chili (excelent, spicy) mustard and onions. Great snap and solid texture(an indicator that they weren;t in the water too long.  As far as I'm concerned Subway can keep their $5 foot long subs; I'll have two chili dogs and a soda here for around 5 bucks over ANYTHING Subways got.

I go to Father & Son occasionally as it's near where I work and not far from where I live. The chili is very spicy, but good. If I get 2 dogs I only get chili on one since it's so spicy. The all beef Grote & Weigel dogs have a tight casing (almost like Boars Head) and a good flavor. As long as I've been going the dogs have been prepared on a griddle that you can see from the counter. This is true both in the new and old locations. I doubt that they prepare them in water. I hope they haven't switched methods.
 
The dogs are usually well prepared on the griddle but on occasion you will get one that has been on there too long and is dried out and lacking the normal flavor.
 
Father & Son was a big hit on the New Jersey Hot Dog Tour 2 years ago.


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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Fri, 06/19/09 10:19 PM
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ejebud


Oh, and I gotta say 1 year removed from my beloved Amazing Hot Dog, I'm missing a good old Jersey Breakfast.


yeah, me too, MATT was a good dude, did'nt know the partner to well, wish the best of luck.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Fri, 06/19/09 10:26 PM
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Benzee, thank you....yes, i'll keep watching for sept, 29.  i'm really interested in filling a seat for the tour.(SIGN ME UP)
 
John Fox, u really sound like a guy, i may need to have a true hot dog talk with. i have a butcher that, i'm going to try to create my NEW dog............ so far there open too the idea, it's just a matter of timing.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/20/09 3:35 PM
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Had the pleasure of enjoying a few mealies last wednesday at Charlies Pool Room, a new favorite for myself and countless others after a couple of articles posted online and in the press.  A true treasure, not only are the Hotdogs outstanding with Grandma's great homemade onion sauce, but for the service from Joe and John who really care about their customers. Also had a nice coversation with the author of
Hamburger Calculus and friends, very nice people, with one of the best descriptions
of Charlies on their website. CPR can be a bit of a challenge to find, so as Joe said,write down the phone # and give them a call and they will talk you in, also they are opened Tuesday thru Saturday until 10:30pm.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/20/09 4:17 PM
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<<They have a few franchised locations as well:
http://www.papayaking.com/html/locations.htm

Interesting that under the Clifton location they have a picture of the group photo from the '07 NJ  Hot Dog Tour (although when you click to enlarge it you get a picture of a portion of the menu, I guess they would have needed everyone's permission to use a larger picture).

 
That's cuz I was in Corrado's at the time and wasn't in the picture lol.



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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 06/22/09 12:19 AM
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Yup, I need to get paid millions in royalties to have my image displayed !

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 06/22/09 12:52 AM
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Every few months we get a post of the best hot dog joint in NJ. I thought I would set up a survey of the best hot dog establishments in NJ. I also would like to know the best hot dog brand.
 
This don't have to be NJ made it is hot dogs sold in NJ.
 
The listing I have posted now to get started is the  combination of several lists I found on line from articles and hot dog lovers.
 
The beginning of each month the list will be updated starting with July 2009. So starting today fill out the form and we'll have six weeks to get a more accurate account.
 
Each month we will start from the begining, which allows new business to be equal.
 
You can only give your list once a month per person.
 
Hot Dog Joint Survey

With places closing and starting out we'll have an accurate accounts of the best.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 06/22/09 12:10 PM
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I've got a hot dog question maybe someone here can answer for me? I'm from South Jersey and use to work in north Jersey. I would stop by a hot dog place in Elizabeth just for there chile sauce. I'd buy a gallon each time I went. I use to take I think it was exit 13 coming up from the south. This was an older place right by a circle. Well I went back a couple of years ago to find there is a new building with a Dunkin Donuts there now???? Somebody told me they think they moved some place around there??  The place I'm talking about was there for quite along time. Started with just a cart and moved into the building there. I don't know why but I think it was called Johns or Johnnies? But again I'm not really sure of that. Boy I would love to get my hands on some of that chile again !!!   Any Help would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 06/22/09 1:37 PM
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.... 5) Hebrew National.  ....I buy the 8 to a lb Hebrew National with casing sold at Maple Kosher Meats in Union. They are always fresh and not left out where they can get dried out. I got one from Wegmans once that was dry from being exposed too long.
John, are these the ones tied together in a long string or do they come individually?  I've been trying to find a good kosher natural casing dog in the Baltimore area but not much luck. 
 
Attman's (reviewed on Roadfood) does sell their proprietary dogs on a string, but I've not seen the Hebrew National casing dogs on a string at any butcher,  like I had when I was little.  Thanks for any input!



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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 06/22/09 7:31 PM
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Eruby, these are tied together. I get them once in awhile around this time of year because they are only sold a few months when the weather is warm. I don't know if you have a Wegman's near you, but you can get them there also. I prefer Maple Kosher because they are kept in a bag, not out in the open air like Wegmans. I do get some other dogs that are left out in the deli case because sometimes I want just 1 or 2; not a whole pack. But once my Hebrew National dog was dried out.


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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 06/22/09 8:03 PM
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I've got a hot dog question maybe someone here can answer for me? I'm from South Jersey and use to work in north Jersey. I would stop by a hot dog place in Elizabeth just for there chile sauce. I'd buy a gallon each time I went. I use to take I think it was exit 13 coming up from the south. This was an older place right by a circle. Well I went back a couple of years ago to find there is a new building with a Dunkin Donuts there now???? Somebody told me they think they moved some place around there??  The place I'm talking about was there for quite along time. Started with just a cart and moved into the building there. I don't know why but I think it was called Johns or Johnnies? But again I'm not really sure of that. Boy I would love to get my hands on some of that chile again !!!   Any Help would be greatly appreciated.

I'm pretty sure the place you are talking about was George's. It was on Elmora Ave. near the circle. George and Jerry (of Jerry's Famous Frankfurters) were brothers. Each served the same dog the same way. Jerry has a meat chili while George's was meatless. Jerry never sold his to go, but George's always did. It's a Subway now.


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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 06/22/09 8:07 PM
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http://www.nj.com/entertainment/dining/index.ssf/2009/06/munchmobile_hotdogs.html

The Munchmobile did hot dogs Saturday. I was a part of this trip. The article will appear on Friday, July 3rd. I'll hold off on my comments (positive and negative) until after the article appears. We will probably hit a few more places soon. Out of the six, 5 were new to me.

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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Tue, 06/23/09 8:26 AM
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Eruby, these are tied together. I get them once in awhile around this time of year because they are only sold a few months when the weather is warm. I don't know if you have a Wegman's near you, but you can get them there also. I prefer Maple Kosher because they are kept in a bag, not out in the open air like Wegmans. I do get some other dogs that are left out in the deli case because sometimes I want just 1 or 2; not a whole pack. But once my Hebrew National dog was dried out.
Thank you John.  I'm not too far from the Wegman's in Hunt Valley, MD so I'll give them a try.
 
The Hebrew National website doesn't list the casing dogs tied together, but if they are only offered a few months of the year that would make sense.  I'll call them to see what they say.
 
Thanks again!
 


 

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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Tue, 06/23/09 8:50 AM
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They are only offered a few months a year at Maple Kosher Meats. I think Wegman's offers them all year round.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Tue, 06/23/09 9:25 AM
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I've got a hot dog question maybe someone here can answer for me? I'm from South Jersey and use to work in north Jersey. I would stop by a hot dog place in Elizabeth just for there chile sauce. I'd buy a gallon each time I went. I use to take I think it was exit 13 coming up from the south. This was an older place right by a circle. Well I went back a couple of years ago to find there is a new building with a Dunkin Donuts there now???? Somebody told me they think they moved some place around there??  The place I'm talking about was there for quite along time. Started with just a cart and moved into the building there. I don't know why but I think it was called Johns or Johnnies? But again I'm not really sure of that. Boy I would love to get my hands on some of that chile again !!!   Any Help would be greatly appreciated.

I'm pretty sure the place you are talking about was George's. It was on Elmora Ave. near the circle. George and Jerry (of Jerry's Famous Frankfurters) were brothers. Each served the same dog the same way. Jerry has a meat chili while George's was meatless. Jerry never sold his to go, but George's always did. It's a Subway now.


It definately must have been Georges because it was meatless. Did they open someplace else? IF not did you ever have there chile sauce? Do you know where I can buy that sauce or get the receipe for that sauce???

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Tue, 06/23/09 2:37 PM
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I don't know if George's opened somewhere else. I did have their chili and I thought it was ok. I bought some to take home once and it sort of coagulated and had a jelly like consistency. This was do to either having no meat, having cornstarch as a binder, or both. It had to be heated for a while in order to be able to use it as a topping on my dogs.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 06/24/09 8:43 AM
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Yeh, that was it. I really enjoyed the taste. To me it really wasn't chile as I've know it. No beans Ect.....  Oh well I tried !!!  Thank You very much John for all your help.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 06/24/09 10:39 AM
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hogiewolf,
 
I did a post that recounted some of my memories of George’s, one of the best hot dog joints in NJ. It’s on Page 33 of this thread. I also posted about Walt’s 42nd St. on Page 32 of this thread.

Here’s a little more information about hot dogs in Elizabeth: 

At the same time George had his 2 wheeled wooden push cart parked on the lot where he eventually built his restaurant there was another wooden push cart that was always on the corner of 2nd Ave. & 7th St. across from the school that is across the street from the O’Brian Field playground. It was on the edge of the open-air market. The guy’s name was Gus and he had the exact same chili as George. He owned a luncheonette on 3rd St. near Broadway. When my father was in high school at St. Pat’s, Gus would push his cart down New Point Rd. from the market toward South Park St. and sold hot dogs at 6 for 25 cents. At the same time there was a kid who also had a push cart in that area around the market who eventually opened a hot dog joint by the island in front of the old Harmonia Savings building. It might have been Jerry or maybe Tommy because both of their stores are located there.

Both George and Gus’s chili would vary in hotness from week to week but it was always good. If you didn’t like spices you didn’t like their chili. I started eating it at around 8 years old and it spoiled me such that I compare all hot dog chili to George’s.
 
George always greeted customers with a big smile and a welcoming warm greeting. The people who bought the business from him did not mirror that warmth one bit. That’s why they lost business. As they lost business they tried opening early in the morning to serve breakfast. That didn’t last long. They never understood that it was their lousy attitudes that lost them business. Like I said in the post, they acted like they were doing you a favor when you ordered food and they made customers feel like they were unwanted interruptions.
 
There is no George’s at a new location.
 
Around 15 years ago I asked them what brand of hot dogs they used and they said Marathon. I’d never heard of it.
 
Over the years I’ve tried to duplicate the chili and always failed until a few weeks ago. Because of this forum and Internet research I experimented with various spices and came up a replica of George’s chili that’s pretty darn close.
When my brother tasted it he said it was identical to Georges but I only think that it’s very, very close. He never ate the hundreds of George’s hot dogs that I ate there. This is how it came out.
 

 
George’s chili was never this dark. Mine is because I kept adding spices, onions, water, and cornstarch until I got to the flavor and consistency that I was looking for.
 
Evidently the Star Ledger Munchmobile never heard of George’s. George’s, which was a free standing building with parking lot on 3 sides and not some hole in the wall with a sliding window on the sidewalk or the size of a small pizzeria, was never visited. It’s a shame that people weren’t treated to what I consider to have been Elizabeth’s best and one of New Jersey’s best hot dogs.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 06/24/09 12:58 PM
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 Around 15 years ago I asked them what brand of hot dogs they used and they said Marathon. I’d never heard of it.

Before Marathon bought Sabrett, they used the brand name House 'o Weenies for their frankfurters. Marathon abandoned the House o' Weenies brand because Sabrett had better recognition among consumers. There used to be a lot of brown and yellow signage in places selling House 'o Weenies franks. 



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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 06/24/09 9:22 PM
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I was only to George's a few times and those visits were from a year or 2 before they closed right up until they closed. They used Best's when I was there; same as Jerry's. I was told that before that they used a brand called Always Tasty. In fact the sign mentioning "Always Tasty" was on the back wall. Don't know when they used a dog from Marathon.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Fri, 06/26/09 9:10 PM
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Until recently you could only get Best's natural casing hot dogs from the plant, a distributor, or the establishments that serve them. Only the skinless were sold in stores and supermarkets. This past week I was in Kings in Garwood and saw Best's natural casing hot dogs. They were the thick 4 to a lb; the same served at Amazing Hot Dog before they switched brands, and the same as the bigger dog at Frankly Burgers in Freehold.

They are sold in a 5 pound package. I don't remember the price. It is cheaper to get them directly from Best's, but if you are near a Kings supermarket and don't mind the big size, they are available. And freeze well.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/27/09 12:38 AM
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'Always Tasty' was a trademark of H&H Provisions of 62 Berry Street, Somerset, NJ. References on the web indicate H&H went OOB in 1993.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/27/09 5:49 AM
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Thanks David. I was wondering where that dog came from and who made it. Someone said it was made in Irvington. Someone else said they thought the company moved to Pennsylvania. Is H&H Provisions still in business?

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/27/09 8:36 AM
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John Fox


Until recently you could only get Best's natural casing hot dogs from the plant, a distributor, or the establishments that serve them. Only the skinless were sold in stores and supermarkets. This past week I was in Kings in Garwood and saw Best's natural casing hot dogs. They were the thick 4 to a lb; the same served at Amazing Hot Dog before they switched brands, and the same as the bigger dog at Frankly Burgers in Freehold.

They are sold in a 5 pound package. I don't remember the price. It is cheaper to get them directly from Best's, but if you are near a Kings supermarket and don't mind the big size, they are available. And freeze well.


John, I've been trying to decide if I should make the investment in that 5lb package I've seen at Kings. I don't recall the price but it is pretty expensive like the packs of Windmills they also sell. I've recently been hooked on the Kings store brand which you thought was made by Lutz(I'm sure they are). This week they are 2.50 a pack and more in my budget. I really would like to try the NC Bests, though.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/27/09 12:06 PM
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I just got back from Kings the 5lb pack of the Bests was $26! I again purchased the Kings 8/1 for $2.50. Maybe next payday I'll indulge.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 06/27/09 2:09 PM
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Thanks David. I was wondering where that dog came from and who made it. Someone said it was made in Irvington. Someone else said they thought the company moved to Pennsylvania. Is H&H Provisions still in business?

AFAIK, H&H went out of business in 1993. Google still has a ghost address of 26 Millburn Avenue in Springfield, but that is probably bogus.


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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sun, 06/28/09 8:21 AM
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agnesrob,

I prefer the Best 5's that are longer and thinner than the quarter pounders. Both cost a little more than Best's other dogs because of their size. $19.00 for 5 lbs, $7.80 for 2 lbs at Best's factory.

The King's store brand is made by Lutz's. The 8's are labelled King's, while the 6's have Lutz's label. Both made at the Schmalz factory in Newark to the same recipe. You can get individual franks at Lutz's store.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Tue, 06/30/09 7:20 PM
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Thank You Food_Fan,
      Its a shame that the recipe had to go with those jerks !!! I'm sorry now that I didn't have it analyzed. A real shame !!! I read back on what you wrote, obviously you enjoyed it as much as I did. By the way I have been in Olga's quite a few times (Another Shame) Thanks for all your info. if you ever get that receipe please let me know.
 

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sat, 07/4/09 1:13 AM
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Anybody been to Hoboken recently?  There seems to be an influx of decent hot dogs recently. 

Junior's Papaya serves a griddled Sabrett like Gray's and also has a deep fried Thumans like Rutts. 

Biggie's Clam Bar has a great chili on a very snappy dog (I can't figure out what they use). 

Mr. Wraps serves a good italian dog but not on pizza bread.

And a Windmill is opening up.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 07/8/09 10:31 PM
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Sorry, I don’t post as often as I would like but here goes:
 
hogiewolf,
 
I’m glad you liked the info. George’s was and is one of my standards for judging a hot dog.
 
As for George’s chili, I’ll continue to work on the recipe and I’ll post it here when I have it down. As you saw in the pic, even though it was very close in flavor, what I made was too dark so I have some work to do to get it to the opaque color that it was.
 
David_NYC,
 
Thanks for the info about “Always Tasty”. That sign had to be hanging on the wall for at least 10 - 15 years and was there when they told me they sold Marathons.
 
I mean no offence and I’m not out to start any kind of argument but do you think that H&H Provisions was an actual manufacturer or just another distributor? I have my doubts that they were a food manufacturer. I’m thinking that they were probably another distributor that bought pallets from the big guys and sold boxes to the little guys 
 
There are some distributors in NJ that have their own stores where you can get some good bargains. Yes, I like bargains.
 
When I searched H&H/H & H Provisions (Somerset NJ) as well as H&H Provisions 62 Berry Street, Somerset, NJ there were no hits on Google.
 
In the same vein; when I asked A&G Texas Weiners in Roselle what brand of hot dogs they served they told me that they serve “Texas Weiner’s” because that’s what it says on the box. They told me the name of the distributor – Dutch Prime Foods - and when I called the distributor they told me that they were Grote & Weigel Boardwalk Style/Brand from CT.
 
As for the Kings super(price)market chain; I’ve visited several and would not spend a dime in any of them because they are a total rip-off. Only Whole Foods exceeds their pricing. They have pretty stores and rip-off prices.
 
Pfunk,
 
I haven’t been to Hoboken in years. Always liked the town except for the parking. I still have a keychain that I won at a Good & Plenty (A bar) trivia contest, How’s the parking these days?

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Wed, 07/8/09 11:14 PM
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I haven’t been to Hoboken in years. Always liked the town except for the parking. I still have a keychain that I won at a Good & Plenty (A bar) trivia contest, How’s the parking these days?

the parking is about 500% worse than it was when you were dancing on the bar at Good and Plenty, which has been only a distant memory for probably, oh my i'm embarrassed to do the math, 15 years?   Hell maybe 18 years at this point. 

do you remember the question that won you that keychain?  that might put a fine point on the calendar.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Thu, 07/9/09 7:14 AM
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Food_Fan

.......do you think that H&H Provisions was an actual manufacturer or just another distributor? I have my doubts that they were a food manufacturer. I’m thinking that they were probably another distributor that bought pallets from the big guys and sold boxes to the little guys 

I remember seeing products from H&H back in the 70's and 80's, but never knew anything about the company. My opinion that they did manufacture was taken from this line in an obituary I found on ancestry.com:
"He was a machine operator for 35 years at H&H Provisions of Somerset". 
You could be right, of course, that they were a distributor.
 
In the early 90's a lot of provision companies that actually manufactured their own stuff went out of business, such as Ridgewood Provisons/Fred Weinkauff in NYC. Unless someone knows more about H & H, it is an open issue.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Thu, 07/9/09 7:55 AM
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I remember speaking with Tommy jr. of Tommy's Italian Hot Dogs and Sausages a few years ago when they had their location in North Brunswick. He told me that they and Jerry's 2 doors down from their Elizabeth location used Always Tasty until they stopped making them. I also spoke with someone at George's shortly before they closed. I was told that they used this brand and then switched to Best. They were using Best just before they closed. There were some other people who remembered the Alway's Tasty brand. I heard different things from them about where they were made.

Tommy said that his father knew all about it and that I should ask him. Unfortunately he passed away before I had the chance. I would guess that H&H was an actual manufacturer.

As for A&G Texas Weiners, they definitely use Grote & Weigel griddle franks as do almost all of the Texas Weiner joints that grill rather than deep fry their dogs. Manny's, Red Tower, Texas Weiner l, ll, J&G in Dunellen, etc. I spoke with the Grote & Weigel distributor when they were in Newark some years ago. The boxes have had "Texas Weiners", "Griddle Franks",  and "Boardwalk style franks" on them at various times, but they are one and the same. Many of the people who work at these Texas Weiner joints don't really know that the dogs are Grote & Weigel. Years ago most used Schickhaus. Many, including Middlesex Texas Weiner will tell you that they use Shicckhaus when they are really using Grote & Weigel because many people know of Schickhaus when they were made in New Jersey. The plant in Kearny closed and the recipe was made elsewhere. For years it was made at Grote & Weigel. Then they lost the contract and they were being produced by Russer Foods for a few years. Then Grote & Weigel got the contract back and began producing them again. About 2 years ago Schickhaus was being made by Armour-Eckrich. I will say that the recipe is the same and the dogs are consistent no matter who made or makes them.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Thu, 07/9/09 8:48 AM
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http://www.nj.com/entertainment/dining/index.ssf/2009/06/munchmobile_hotdogs.html

The Munchmobile did hot dogs Saturday. I was a part of this trip. The article will appear on Friday, July 3rd. I'll hold off on my comments (positive and negative) until after the article appears. We will probably hit a few more places soon. Out of the six, 5 were new to me.


Good read. The Curbside Cafe isn't too far from my work, it looks like I'm going to have a hotdog lunch today!

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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Thu, 07/9/09 9:05 AM
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Team my apologies for this "off topic" drift.  I seem to remember from my childhood a  restaurant right down the road from Glenwoods called the Fireside. If memory serves me it had a similar, though expanded menu which gave Glenwood some decent competition. Ironically I also seem to remember that the Fireside burnt down :). Does anyone remember Fireside and is my memory of  good food and  happy thoughts accurate?

Thanks to all!
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RE: New Jersey Hot Dogs - Thu, 07/9/09 1:18 PM
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Curbside Cafe was delicious. Not too hard to get too either, you can easily see it from either side of 46. As soon as I got there another customer touted the double Italian hotdog, but I had to start with the chili dog with mustard. It was great! As promised the chili was delicious, very meaty and flavorful. I like my chili extra spicy, but this was a nice change of pace. After polishing that off in a minute and a half, I decided on the sausage peppers and onions. The sausage wasn't well done, which was nice, and the bread was outstanding. I did end up paying $9 for lunch though, not something I'd like to make a habit of. I'll just have to stick to the dogs, maybe treat myself once in a while to the pricier items.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Sun, 07/12/09 11:31 AM
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I have also been trying to find George's chili dogs and to make my own version of it. Any information you can share would be appreciated.
 
Thanks

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 07/13/09 4:10 PM
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Hi, All

I just joined the forum.  I'm in LA these days but from Jersey originally, and I LOVE Jersey hot dogs, especially Italian Hot Dogs.

I had heard about Dino's in Rockaway that opened last year, but I'm now hearing rumors that they've closed.  Is that true?  I just passed them on a visit to Jersey last month, and was planning on going there when I came out to Jersey at the end of the month.  Please tell me it's not true.  There just aren't enough good IHD places.  I wish we had them in LA.

Oh, well.  The Jimmy Buff's in East Hanover is just a few miles from my sister's place, so it's not a total loss.  JB's is and continues to be the best in my own humble opinion.

Thanks, all, for any info on Dino's.

Dan

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 07/13/09 4:25 PM
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Welcome to Roadfood. Dino's is closed. I was there and they did make a very good Italian Hot Dog.

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Re:New Jersey Hot Dogs - Mon, 07/13/09 8:11 PM
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Thanks, John.  Nice to hear from the Hot Dog Guru.

Real bummer about Dino's.  It was only a few miles from my sister's.

Just had a friendly debate with a friend in Jersey about Jimmy Buff's.  She does not like the dog at the East Hanover store -- too dry for her.  But I prefer the less greasy potatoes, onions, and peppers.

Does anyone remember a place called Mike's that apparently sold Italian Hot Dogs?  I never ate there, but I heard it was really good, but looks like they closed some time ago.

On another note -- talking about hot dog memories, back in the late 80's while in college I worked at the Stewart's Root Beer in Kearny.  The hot dogs were Oscar Mayer pork and beef weiners and were deep-fried.  The chili sauce was basically the industrial stuff from Code - a food service company.  Not bad, but not the best.  Apparently they are no longer using Oscar Mayer.

Hey, John, have you been to LA?  Just wondering if you've had a chance to sample and critique the dogs out here.  There are some decent places, but not nearly the selection and variety of Jersey.  I like the dogs at Carney's, which is an all-beef that they make themselves.  I'll apologize in advance if you've posted an LA review elsewhere.

Thanks!


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