New Jersey Hot Dogs

Great article John Fox. Can't wait to join y'all on the tour.
Johnny McClanahan
Benzee my check for two seat is in the mail. (Really lol)

I found one thing wrong with this article.  Dickie Dee's is not the only authentic Italian Hot Dog joint in Newark.  Lou's, which is located in the original Jimmy Buff's location, is still open and doing a bang up business.  Unfortunately, they are in a section of Newark that most people will avoid. They still make a great IHD true the the Jimmy Buff original recipe. 
 
The people there are very helpful and friendly.  You just need to go there with an armed guard.  Maybe John should take the Hot Dog tour there.  I think 100 people would be safe - safety in numbers.

saw a marquee and a storefront for a place called  The Dog House on route 22 headed East right past Somerset Farms.  the sign in the window says  Coming Soon. It is right before Red Tower.

Applecheeks


I found one thing wrong with this article.  Dickie Dee's is not the only authentic Italian Hot Dog joint in Newark.  Lou's, which is located in the original Jimmy Buff's location, is still open and doing a bang up business.  Unfortunately, they are in a section of Newark that most people will avoid. They still make a great IHD true the the Jimmy Buff original recipe. 

The people there are very helpful and friendly.  You just need to go there with an armed guard.  Maybe John should take the Hot Dog tour there.  I think 100 people would be safe - safety in numbers.

 
I've been there twice. It's now called World's First Italian Style Hot Dogs. Very good, but in a bad neighborhood. Another place in Newark serving an authentic Italian Hot Dog is Paul's Italian Style Hot Dogs on Clinton Place. It's on a side street
off Lyons Ave. a few blocks away from Newark Beth Israel Hospital. Opened in 1973, they serve a solid Italian Hot Dog.

I just received the weekly email from John's Meat Market in Scotch Plains-and they lead with pushing their 'home made' hot dogs.  As I recall John Fox outed them by naming the other butcher shop that makes them!

The hot dogs at John's are home made. But not at John's home. They are made by Kocher's in Ridgefield Park. The guy at John's admitted this to me. But they won't volunteer this information.

John Fox


The hot dogs at John's are home made. But not at John's home. They are made by Kocher's in Ridgefield Park. The guy at John's admitted this to me. But they won't volunteer this information.

Heck, they don't even volunteer their prices in the store-none of the meat in the case has a per/pound sign, and they get annoyed when you ask!

johnbin


Camille heads to Newark, New Jersey, to settle a score between Jimmy Buff's and Charlie's Famous Italian Hot Dogs, over who makes the best Italian Style Hot Dog. Food Wars is all new Wednesday at 10pm on Travel Channel. benscarts.com/

They may be showing new episodes, but that episode is from last year.  I won't spoil the winner, though.

johnbin


Camille heads to Newark, New Jersey, to settle a score between Jimmy Buff's and Charlie's Famous Italian Hot Dogs, over who makes the best Italian Style Hot Dog. Food Wars is all new Wednesday at 10pm on Travel Channel. benscarts.com/

I'm very confident that there would be a different outcome if they visited Jersey Joe's!!!

Rutt's Hut has prevailed in their trademark lawsuit against Mutt's Hut, which will have to change their name, fyi.

Recently someone mentioned that Calabria's, a pizzeria in Colonia advertised that they serve a "Newark style Italian Hot Dog". I was in the area today so I stopped in for lunch. I was pleasantly surprised. They serve an authentic Italian Hot Dog. First thing I asked was "does it come on pizza bread?" When told that it does, I ordered one. For less than $5.00 I got a very good Italian Hot Dog. Mijo's in Colonia and Goombas in Union are two pizzerias that no longer use pizza bread.

Calabria's gets theirs from a bakery in Paterson. It is harder and sturdier than others. Calabria's puts it in the oven for a little while to make it crisp. A nice touch. Never had it this way before and it was a nice change of pace. Two 8/1 dogs were deep fried and topped with plenty of green peppers that were cooked on a griddle. The potatoes were cut as soon as I ordered and put in a dep fryer. They were thin and resembled french fries.

Very good Italian Hot Dog. Outstanding for a pizzeria. I was full for less than $5.00. Great value.

The Munchmobile visited Charlies Pool Room for their season ending trip. The article will be in tomorrow's Star Ledger. I'll include a link tomorrow for those who don't get the Ledger.

It's hard to believe it's been two years since my last visit to Charlie's Pool Room.  But given my health problems over the past few years, it's no surprise.  But now that I'm on the mend and feeling better every day, I thought it was time.  I woke up this morning and saw what a beautiful day it was and I was headed for Alpha, NJ,
I walked in and Joe did not recognize me (which is unusual).  But I have lost a lot of weight and my hair is much grayer, so it was no surprise.  When I said Applecheeks, Joe said "I was just talking about you last night", and gave me a great big hug.  He called to John and said "Look who's here, it Applecheeks".  I felt like a long lost relative.  That's just how they make you feel - like family. 
I had a few dogs with just the sauce. As always, they were great.  We sat and chatted and the FedEx man came in for lunch.  He sat with us and talked for awhile.  I stayed for a little over an hour talking with Joe and John.  It is always a wonderful experience.  Joe told me they were honored by the city of Alpha for being the oldest business in Alpha and were given the key to the city.  I wish I could have been there on that special day. 
Joe also told me that the Munchmobile had been there.  I also missed a visit by John Fox this week.  I was supposed to join the group that visited on March 29th when Holly Moore paid a visit.  I missed out because on March 28th I got a call from the transplant clinic that they had a kidney for me.  So I had to make a choice - a new kidney or a few Mealies.  I took the kidney, but missed out on meeting Holly Moore.
I took a few Mealies "on a leash" home for dinner.  The problem is, trying not to dig in the bag for just one more bite.  John walked me to my car and we talked some more. It is a pleasure to spend time with Joe and John.  They are two of the nicest gentlemen I have ever known.  I am certain it won't be two years before I go back there.

Charlies is mentioned here: http://www.nj.com/enterta...011_rollin_on_the.html
 
I was there last week with Bruce Kraig who is witing a book on hot dogs, and more specifically hot dog culture. Bruce had a photographer and a driver with him. I was asked to take him to a bunch of places that represent the various styles of hot dogs in New Jersey. He was looking for places that serve good dogs, have a bit of history, are a good example of a particular style, and have something special going for them. Charlies was a favorite.
 
Bruce has already published Hot Dogs: A Global History. His next book will be called Man Bites Dog and will be out in about a year.
 
Rutt's article here:
http://www.northjersey.co...ot_dog_name_fight.html

I have been going to Rutt's Hut my entire life.  I remember standing at the 'kids counter', and being so excited when I was finally tall enough to reach the 'adult counter'!  It was great to be able to buy a pint (or quart) of relish to bring home. (great on baloney sandwiches)  As an adult, I would still stop by and pick up a pint of relish to bring home.
The past two times, however, the relish tastes....off.  There's a tart, vinegary, going bad taste that has NEVER been there before.  It tastes fine at the Hut, but I'm wondering what's going on after a week in my frig.  Has anyone else had this experience, or am I speaking heresy?

I happenned to be in the area yesterday, and remembering the discussion on Hot Dog Nation (see our Facebook page), decided to stop by Big Blues in Linden for lunch. Great sandwich! I think the potatoes may be the best I've had on an Italian Hot Dog. And I love the marinated peppers. Easily the most substantial Italian Hot Dog out there and definitely a great value at under $6 for a sandwich that will fill you. Fresh and made to order.

I took a trip to Green Village Packing Co. in Chatam yesterday. First time there, but I have had their franks previously and described them elsewhere on Roadfood. The place was mentioned by Roadfooders John Lockadema and Ken. I found out that they do NOT make the franks there, but that they are made at Schmalz Provisions in Springfield. Schmalz uses meat from animals that have been slaughtered at Green Village's slaughterhouse. So does Kocher's as well as other meat packers. When I had these franks I said they were as good as any German style beef/pork frank that I had. Today I wanted to compare them to 3 other favorites.
 
I did a taste comparison between Green Village/Schmalz, Thumann's, Union Pork Store, and Kocher's. All are 6/lb. I was mistaken when I said the Franks I received from Green Village were 8/1. They are long and thin as are the Thumann's. Kocher's and Union Pork Store (true butcher shop franks) are shorter and thicker. Schmalz's regular franks are the same exact ones Green Village sells. Schmalz also makes a pork/veal frank, private label franks, bratwurst, and other meats. They make the franks for Lutz's which are their private label franks sold in supermarkets. They also make the franks for Hot Dog Johnny's. Another instance where there is a special recipe made. The franks made to Johnny's specifications are skinless and bland compared to the regular franks.
 
All franks in this tasting were purchased in the last 2 days and were fresh. Last time I compared Green Village franks to one from the Union Pork Store, the Union Pork Store frank was maybe past it's prime.
 
All the franks were eaten plain and water was used to cleanse my palate. By plain I mean no condiments. I had them on hot dog buns, but after eating half of each dog, I discarded the buns. Since I was by myself, I knew the identities of the dogs. I usually have a helper and compare what I'm eating blindfolded.
 
The results: I couldn't pick a winner! All were equally as good. 3 of the 4 were almost identical in taste. Thumann's has a unique taste that is easier to pick out. These 4 are the best examples of beef/pork franks I've had. You can possibly throw in the Galloping Hill Inn dog, Hartmann's, and Lutz's. The last 3 weren't included in the tasting today. Thumann's and Schmalz were longer and thinner, while the pork store franks were shorter and thicker.
 
Schmalz/Green Village had a tighter casing. The other 3 were softer in texture, but again practically identical in regards to taste. The recipes and spicing have to be similar. Regarding price: Thumann's $5.99/lb, Green Village $4.19 plus tax for about 1 1/2 lbs. Kocher's $8.99 per lb. Union Pork Store $5.99 lb. I went to Schmalz's store and bought 5/6 of a lb (5 franks) for $2.38.
 
Kocher's franks were purchased at John's Meat Market in Scotch Plains. If you buy them at Kocher's they are $6.80/lb. Karl Ehmer's in Hillsdale may even charge less.
 
These are my favorite examples of German style beef/pork hot dogs. I suggest comparing them yourself. Union Pork Store is close to me and convenient. I can buy as little as 1 if I want. They are as fresh as can be and as good as the best of the best. Thumann's can be bought at any supermarket. Schmalz's is fairly close to my home and a bargain at $2.38 for a package of 5. They also sell slightly longer franks (same recipe) behind the deli counter but are the same recipe. Kocher's are excellent franks but John's charges too much for them. If you are near Ridgefield Park or Hillsdale, I suggest getting them there for less. According to one of the owners of Kocher's, they sell their franks to to about 40 or 50 stores. Many are delis and butcher shops that claim them as their own.

Hi John. Thanks for another amazing analysis of local hot dogs.  As you said, John's Meat Market right here in Scotch Plains is way overpriced, on everything. I think we bought meat there one time when we first moved here 13 years ago and wondered what the fuss was all about. We've never gone back.  The steaks at Costco are just as good and about 1/3 the price.
 
One question, does Schmalz have it's own store? Or are you referring to the Deli in Clark that carries thier franks?
 
Thanks again!
 

ken8038


Hi John. Thanks for another amazing analysis of local hot dogs.  As you said, John's Meat Market right here in Scotch Plains is way overpriced, on everything. I think we bought meat there one time when we first moved here 13 years ago and wondered what the fuss was all about. We've never gone back.  The steaks at Costco are just as good and about 1/3 the price.

One question, does Schmalz have it's own store? Or are you referring to the Deli in Clark that carries thier franks?

Thanks again!

yes i found John's Meat Market to really pricey , you want a good butcher , but who want's to buy the cow three times ?
 

Schmalz does have a store with a deli counter. Small, but bigger than the Green Village Store. No site yet, but here is some contact info: http://schmalzs.com/
 
Their hours are Wed to Fri. 11:00 to 3:00 and Sat. 7:00 to 1:00
 
Located on Fadem Rd. in Springfield right off RT. 22 East. Everything is priced very reasonably. They have all the meats you would expect from a deli/butcher shop. And as I said, their regular beef/pork franks are the same as what you got from Green Village. In packs of 5 (.80) lb for $2.38 approx. Or you can buy the bigger ones (same recipe) behind the deli counter.
 
These will be some franks I'll be buying a lot of from now on.

Thanks for the info John. Wow, all these years and I never heard of this place. Only about 10 minutes away for me. I'll be there soon for sure.

They moved to Springfield about 2 or 3 years ago. Prior to that they were located on Napolean St. in the Ironbound section of Newark. About 9 years ago I saw a small van with the name Schmalz Provisions on it. It happenned to be on my route in Colonia. I spoke with the guy who lived where it was parked and found out that they made hot dogs. Never heard of them before.
 
I asked where his franks were sold. Many are sold out of state including Florida and even Chicago under a different name. Some went to Russia. Mr. Schmalz said they had a hard time getting into Shop Rite. They were briefly in a Shop Rite in Union and one in Millburn. You can find them at the Wine Library in Springfield in a section where they sell gourmet meat and cheeses. Also at Federico's (formerly Schmidt's) in the Clarkton shopping Center on Raritan Rd.
 
I then asked if his franks were sold at any hot dog joints. Yes; Hot Dog Johnny's! Without thinking I blurted out that I didn't like Hot Dog Johnny's. But they make an entirely different recipe for them. West Jersey/Eastern PA prefers mild (bordering on bland) franks. Up until this point I had been unsuccesful finding out where Johnny's gets their franks from. The woman who owns the place wouldn't tell me and was downright nasty when I asked. Even though I didn't like the dogs there, I was curious as to what they were and tried every trick I know to find out. It was the only place where I failed to get this info until I met Mr. Schmalz. Had the owner of Johnny's told me the brand and asked me not to reveal it, I would not have posted it. I found out later she was angry that I revealed it.
 
Believe it or not there are some who have asked me where to get the franks served at Hot Dog Johnny's. The only place is Hot Dog Johnny's. Schmalz's makes them as part of a private label arrangement and will not sell them to the public. That's ok because in my opinion their regular franks are much better and as good or better than any German frank I've tasted.
Most people would be hard pressed to pick a favorite between Schmalz, Union Pork Store, and Kocher's. I can't and I've sampled many hot dogs from many places.These 3 are practically identical in flavor. Schmalz's has more snap. Some may or may not prefer it. Thumann's, which is as good as these, tastes slightly different. Depending on my mood, sometimes I actually prefer one of the other 3 to Thumann's. When you sample one brand of hot dog you form an opinion. A week or so later you sample a different brand in the same style. Depending on how you feel that particular day, you may think one is much better than the other even if they are practically the same. A better way of judging how much you like something is to compare similar styles of franks next to each other at the same time. Then you really see how they stack up against each other. Even then you may find that a month later repeating the same taste test, you may prefer a different frank. Taste can be fickle and changing. I know mine is. More and more I am finding that my taste buds are enjoying the butcher shop franks as much or more on occasion than Thumann's, which has always been my favorite German frank.
 
I suggest doing your own comparison. It's easy and cheap. You can buy 1 frank of each with the exception of Thumann's. Schmalz's store sells loose franks behind the deli counter that are a little larger (lengthwise), but the same recipe as those that are packaged on the shelf. Also, it's very cold in the store, so bring a jacket if you plan on being  there awhile. Yesterday there were quite a few people in there.
 
The franks labelled Lutz's that are packaged at their store and in supermarkets are made by Schmalz because Lutz is prohibited from packaging what they make on site because of federal laws. Something about not being A USDA plant I think. But the loose franks sold at Lutz are made at their store. Last time I had one it was very mild and somewhat mushy compared to one from the Union Pork Store.
 
Not sure if the franks packaged at Schmalz for Lutz are the Schmalz recipe or not. I suspect they are. John Schmalz would not answer directly though he did tell me that Hot Dog Johnny's gets their own recipe. I don't think he likes the fact that I mentioned that Hot Dog Johnny's gets their franks from Schmalz when the owner wanted it a secret. Until recently she wouldn't even mention how the dogs were prepared and was nasty when I asked. Now they have to disclose it since they fry their dogs in peanut oil and some people are allergic to it.

I always bow to John Fox's hot dog opinions, but I've got to say I like hot Dog Johnny's. Maybe just because just abot anything they might serve would taste pretty good enjoyed beside that babbling brook...
 
Cheers, John 

I just got back from Schmalz. Like my wife says, when I get a bee in my bonnet...
 
Anyway, I bought two packs of franks. Thanks for all the details John. Unless I missed the ones you mentioned, these were 6 to a pack and around a pound each. Again, very reasonably priced, around $2.99/lb, or about 1/2 the price of Thumann's and just as good or better. I'm looking forward to having them. As you said, I've had the same dogs before, from Green Village so I know I'll like them.

seafarer john


I always bow to John Fox's hot dog opinions, but I've got to say I like hot Dog Johnny's. Maybe just because just abot anything they might serve would taste pretty good enjoyed beside that babbling brook...

Cheers, John 

yes, the setting is very nice, the building and the lil ice cream stand, all add to the experience .............. but , the dog's r the pit's !!! i alway's preferred to stop up the road a bit more  @ king cole ............. yes, we liked that better. since there last major flood , putting them out of business , never knew their  dog maker.....  john fox any idea on king coles dog's ? 

Don't know anything about King Cole's. Someone mentioned it on page 18 of this thread.

Yesterday I was in Perth Amboy. I had heard about a place serving hot dogs called Coney Island something or other, so I looked for it. The place is called the New Coney Island Restaurant. It's actually been around for years and was called the Coney Island Restaurant. New refers to either new owners or renovations that were done. I think it's the latter although the place looks like it's out of the 1940's.
 
It's an old time looking luncheonette with a long counter. When I saw hot dogs on a roller grill, I almost walked out. Since I was there, I figured I would stay for a few dogs. I've heard about this place years ago and from what I read somewhere they have a reputation for good chili.
 
The dogs are 8/1 skinless Thumann's beef/pork grillers. Despite being prepared on the roller grill, they were hot and tasted good. The chili was excellent. Thick, and not as hot  compared to the Plainfield area Texas Weiner joints that grill their dogs and serve a thick, spicy chili. The chili here is in the style of places I've been to in New York in and around Newburgh and the Hudson Valley. I'm sure it is like many in PA as well.
 
It was almost identical to the chili at the Coney Island Restaurant in Middletown, N.Y. which is one of my favorites. Also reminiscent of the chili homemade and given out by John Sagi of the Gourmet Chili Dog site at some of the Hot Dog Tours in the past. I love this chili but Middletown N.Y. is too far to travel to regularly. Now I can enjoy it when I'm up to travelling 15 miles.
 
The New Coney Island Restaurant is located at 192 Smith St. in Perth Amboy. While I would prefer a natural casing frank prepared on a griddle, these dogs were hot and tasted very good. Went well with the chili. The casing and char imparted from a griddle isn't as significant if the dog has toppings. Regular dogs are $1.60. With mustard, chili, and onions (Coney) $2.10 which is good for an 8/1 served on a quality steamed bun. And they are generous with the amount of chili. I think there is a special of 2 Coneys with fries and a soda for $5.99. I'll definitely be back.
 
 
I went back yesterday and had two chili dogs. I think that this may be my favorite chili. I really like the style. As I mentioned, it's almost identical to the chil from the Coney Island Restauarnt in Middletown, N.Y. Again my hot dogs were hot and delicious. Just wish they would use a natural casing frank and a real grill. But it's not as noticeable when the dog is covered with that excellent chili. They do sell it to go. A little expensive at $6 a container (Hot Grill and Father & Son charge $3 and change) but I bought some to bring home. I believe this type of chili goes best on a German style dog rather than a spicy all beef frank. I will be putting it on some quality natural casing dogs this weekend.

Thanks for another discovery John. Great writeup, as usual. Never heard of this place either, although I'm sure I've passed it. A certain co-worker of yours and I used to go looking for old bars in that area 20 years ago. 
 
I will get there soon. Thanks again.

I just made a visit to Schmalz's.  First, the entire room is a meat locker, so dress properly.  Don't be in a hurry, there were five or six Polish ladies in front of me, and with one counterman things progressed slowly.  As noted above, packaged dogs are $2.99, but loose dogs were an amazing $2.69/lb.
 
Lot of other specialty Polish things like mustards, jarred fruit and vegetables, and quite a lot of stuff I had no idea of what it was! 
 
Oh, and CASH ONLY!

I might be going tomorrow to pick up some dogs and brats for a party. They also carry kabanosy, bockwurst, bratwurst, and other meats. All good quality and for less than you would find practically anywhere else selling premium products.

Holy crap.. $2.69 a pound for dogs is amazing.
 
I went to Hot Dog Johnny's a year or two ago. It was the worst dog I've ever had. I had 2 other people in the car with me and nobody liked their food. Their buttermilk was horrible too.
 
There's another hot dog joint up the street. I knew I shoulda went there. Something told me I should have.

Thanks to Ken and the two Johns' for the detailed writeup on Schmalz' retail outlet. I saw Schmalz's trucks in South Brooklyn a few times, but never caught on that they had a retail store. I just looked through the Roadfood archives and see several people did talk about being able to buy product at the plant. I just never made the connection.
I think it is good to publicize a place that sells quality hot dogs for less than the supermarkets sell Ball Park and Oscar Mayer for.

I had a dream. Hot Dog Johnny’s, in addition to its regular offerings, and upon my suggestion, added a Best Provision (Newark, N.J.), five-to-a-lb., natural casing dog, boiled and then finished on the grill, and called “Our Best in Show Dog.” It was $2.89.
 
 As a result, Hot Dog Johnny’s became even more famous than it is. Dignitaries from around the world came to avail themselves of this great dog in a great, bucolic atmosphere. On one fine afternoon, Prince Charles, the boys and I had a great conversation about different American hot dogs, and about baseball. Later we went for ice cream.
 
  But alas, albeit a dream, I think we’re going to Tommy’s in Elizabeth for Italian Hot Dogs sometime before the weather changes.
 
  The Bear  
 

I bought a Hot Dog Johnny's shirt when I bought my food. After eating the food, though, I threw the shirt away. I couldn't bring myself to wear it.

I lived across the street from Tommy's South when he opened in North Brunswick. There's no Italian Hot Dog places around here. We were very excited to see it come. The homemade sausage was awesome.. some of the best I've ever had.. my friend said the same. The pizza was good too.. they had some kind of special process to let the dough rise 2 or 3 times (I forget). The Italian Hot Dog, though.. not so good. Soggy potatoes. The girl behind the counter, though was hot. Don't know if that was a relative or what.

There's a Stewarts Rootbeer near me.. actually two of them. We went to the one in Hamilton, NJ on Route 33. That place is horrible. I think those companies are all independently owned and thus food quality varies from one to another... unlike say a White Castle where you can expect the same quality at every one. The Italian Hot Dog here didn't have any potatoes on it if I remember. It was small for the price and flavorless. The Stewarts in Spotswood, NJ should be condemned by the board of health. I've eaten there a few times, but one time I went in and there were multiple swarm's of fruit flies or something. I should have left right then and there. Some dude was at the counter eating. The girl said she had just sprayed, but I doubt it.. there was hundreds or a thousand of the little bugs. We couldn't stay inside it was so bad. I've never seen any fruit fly infestation as bad as that. That's the only time I actually reported someone to the board of health.

On the positive, though when I used to live in North Brunswick, I had no problems with the Stewarts on Route 27.. dunno if that is North Brunswick or what.

Being off this week I got a chance to run around and sample some hot dogs. I like comparing them side by side. Yesterday I compared some German style franks. Thumann's, Schmalz, Union Pork Store, Kocher's, and Pulaski. Last time I did a comparison, the same franks were included with the exception of Pulaski. I couldn't pick a favorite last time as all were equally good and almost identical in taste. Thumann's tasted slightly different than the others as far as taste.
 
It's been a few years since I had the franks from Pulaski. For some reason I wrote that they had a spicing more like a beef dog (spicier) than other franks in this style. I didn't notice it this time. Again they were equal in terms of quality with the exception of the Union Pork Store frank. It had a bad taste and was thrown out. It had to be old. I noticed it was dried out around one end. This happens sometimes with franks exposed to air.
 
The Schmalz frank had a tougher casing. I preferred the casing on the others. The Pulaski frank was the most tender and better than I remember from years ago. Excellent. These are available at their store in Linden and the A&P in Kenilworth where I purchased them. Yesterday I enjoyed the Pulaski and Kocher's frank the most. All are great. I have noticed that Union Pork Store franks are inconsistent lately. When they're fresh, they're as good as any.
 
Earlier this week I made a stop at a place in Hillside. On Liberty Ave. past the Popeye's and right before the Rt. 22 bridge is a little building with a cart in front. On the building is a sign that says "Randy the Hot Dog Guy." Randy is there during the week from 10 or 11 AM until about 7 PM. he also works weekends at a night club called the Saint in Asbury Park.
 
Randy serves a natural casing Sabrett dirty water style. Small at 11/1 but only $1.50. Mine was hot (which I look for), fresh, and good. He has common toppings like kraut, relish, onions, and chili. Nothing crazy. I had mine with mustard only.
 
What sets Randy apart from other dirty water cart/trucks is that he also offers Empire National franks from Brooklyn. And he recently added Thumann's beef franks. I wanted an Empire, but he was out. The Thumann's he ordered were natural casing 8/1, but the distributor mistakenly sent 10/1 skinless. Worth a stop if you out that way.

Five or six of us are meeting to try the Italian Hot Dogs at Big Blues in Linden, NJ, today (Monday the 3rd) around noon, followed by a visit to the nearby 25 Burgers-all are welcome.  Big Blues has become a John Fox favorite, so we're all looking forward to the visit-plus they are very well priced!

So?.......How was it? Wudjuh eat?
 
  The Bear

Screenbear ,
Hot Dog Nation page on FB is all over it , pics posted and a bunch of remarks , get on if just for that .
Looks like they had a good time , except for some wild stuff at Father and son
 
We are also looking at Tues Oct 18th High noon for a mini meet at Charlies Pool Room for those that may be interested
Benzee

Sign Gail and me up for Charlies- tentatively - Gail had knee surgery two weeks ago and is progressing well. If she is up to it we would like to join you at Charlies.
 
Cheers, John 

Tues, Oct 18th, my day off!

All right! And the Father and Son story is epic!

 
Hello all ,
Seafarer John , Hope all is well , you were missed on the 8th Annual Jersey Hot Dog Tour
Tell Gail to get well soon and hope to see you there !!!!
High Noon on Tues Oct 18th , Charlies Pool Room - be there !!!!!!
Benzee

 
Hello all ,
I will put a thread on the meets and greets page as well  when I get a chance thanks
 
 
Benzee

Father & Son in Linden is known for their quality natural casing beef franks (Grote & Weigel) and their delicious spicy chili. I still pick up chili there to take home, but I've stopped buying their dogs because they aren't as good anymore. This is because they are sitting on the griddle too long and lose flavor. And they aren't served hot anymore. Too bad because at one tme they served an excellent dog. Nowhere else in Jersey could you get a natural casing G&W beef frank.
 
Last week some members of Hot Dog Nation made a stop at Father & Son. They ordered 10 dogs, but 11 were brought out. When the 2 employees realized that they brought out an extra dog instead of giving it away or throwing it out, they took the dog (covered with mustard) off the bun, ran it under water, dried it with a paper towel, and threw it back on the griddle! When questioned about this the employees (older woman and younger guy nicknamed Son of Satan) said they had to account for every dog. Can you believe this? They were also overheard discussing what to do with the bun which still had mustard on it.

Yesterday I stopped at a new truck in Clark called Marci's Dog House. Located on Oak Ridge Rd. in the parking lot  of Oak Ridge Park, they have been open about 3 weeks. Rob the owner is married to the niece of the woman who runs Dees in Roselle Park.
 
Dees and Soup or Dogs are my favorite places serving dirty water Sabrett's. Unlike their competitors (Sal's in Clark, Munce's in Rahway, Dews and Petey's Weenies in Colonia, and Steve's Dog Hut in Linden) these places serve 10/1 instead of the smaller 11 and 12's. It only costs the owner 3 cents more a dog for a 10 as opposed to an 11. Yet Dees and Marci's charge less than the places serving smaller dogs. Reason enough in my book to patronize them instead.
 
Marci's has a special; 2 dogs, a bag of chips, and a drink for $5.00. For another dollar you can get another dog.
 
I had 2 dogs; one with mustard one with mustard and chili. The chili is homemade and is tomatoey rather than spicy or cinnamony like the Texas Weiner joints.
 
Good dogs and good value. Only problem was that the dogs were gray from sitting in the water too long. I pointed this out to the owner who admitted they were left in there longer than usual and said it wouldn't happen again. I believe him and will give Marci's another chance because of the value compared to other places and since it's close to where I work. The dogs were hot, which is also important to me. I won't return however if I get another gray dog.

The Hot Grill is celebrating their 50th Anniversary this weekend. Buy one get one free. Sorry I didn't post yesterday.
 
http://www.northjersey.com/food_dining/131310364_50_years_of__all_the_way_.html

Thanks John for the review of Marci's Truck. I walk in that park once in a while (there's a nice 2.5 mile loop), and last time I was there a couple of weeks ago noticed the truck for the first time. Next time I walk there and work up an appetite...

Well, well, well, what a small world it is!
 
I live about 45 minutes away from Texas Weiner in Dunellen, NJ, but I grew up there all my life. I miss them.
 
Today I went for a scenic drive. I searched the net and found a long road that spans about 100 miles.. goes from Frenchtown, NJ all the way up to the NY border.
 
Frenchtown is about 20 to 25 mins from me.
 
I got up in Clinton, NJ and my Girlfriend had to use the bathroom. I saw an interesting sign and turned around. I had NO idea what it said. When we pulled in, here's what we found Antnees Portguese BBQ and Texas Weiner!
 
I went inside.. the owner is originally from Piscataway, NJ area. He knows Jerry & George from the Dunellen Texas Weiner. He bought the secret recipe off them and signed a legal document that he'd never give it away or sell it. That's EXACTLY what I want to do if I had money! I'd also sign something saying I wouldn't sell it within so many miles of them as well.
 
I ate two dogs.. it was indeed the same.. same Grote & Weigel dog, same sauce. I loved it.
 
Other stuff on the menu include homemade empanadas, and BBQ stuff.. they have a pit right inside the place. He said if I come back I should try their BBQ, but honestly I think I'd get hot dogs again!
 
The fries were decent.. they have regular frozen fries, or fresh cut ones.. the fresh cut ones are a let down because the menu calls them "portguese fries" which sounds kind of exotic... like maybe they should have some kind of seasoning on them.
 
I think the dogs were more expensive than Dunellen are. They have a special dog, fries, and can of soda for $5. They have other specials too.
 
http://www.yelp.com/biz/a...-texas-weiners-clinton
 
I don't know about that address, though. It says US Route 22.. I was on Route 513 is all I know on my travels.. maybe that changes into Route 22 and back to 513.

Amici's is an Italian retaurant/pizzeria in Union with a good reputation. I never ate there but my wife had a menu laying around. I noticed an Italian Hot Dog on the menu for $5.50 so I decided to order one. I made sure they used beef dogs before placing my order.
 
It turned out to be another very good IHD from a pizzeria. They use a high quality long Italian roll rather than pizza bread. The hot dogs are Best's 8 to a lb which I prefer to the smaller 10's that most places use. Tasty potatoes and peppers that are sauteed and have the right (in my opinion) amount of oils. I like to try IHD's at the various pizza joints but never expect much. Some turn out to be very good. Here, Calabria's in Colonia, Mijo's (also in Colonia), Joe's in Vauxhall, Goombas in Union are all examples of pizzerias that make very good sandwiches. Joe's and Calabria's use pizza bread.
 
I also like that these sandwiches are substantial and reasonably priced. You get a bigger sandwich and bigger dogs for less. And the quality is good. But low cost alone isn't enough if the quality isn't there. These places all put out a quality product. I don't like paying $8 and over even if the IHD is a good one. The best values out there are Calabria's ($4.95), Amici's ($5.50), and Big Blues at $5.85. Big Blues is as good as any and still under $6.00. But the absolute best value out there combining top quality and reasonable price is Jimmy Buff's in East Hanover and West Orange. $4 and change for a double on Tuesdays. I believe their Randolph location has the same deal on Wednesdays.

I was at the Kenilworth Street Fair today. Right on the Boulevard where Jimmy Buff's is located. Decided to stop there afterwards to eat. Since I had an Italian Hot Dog last night I decided to get an Italian Cheesesteak. A double for me, single for my wife. They were excellent. The bread was good and fresh as it always is. Plenty of peppers and potatoes topped the sandwich. Potatoes are as good as any I've had. The service and quality here has been consistently excellent since they got by their opening week. My wife loved her onion rings. She said they were big and very juicy and tasted like sweet vidalia onions.

I went to Pulaski's in Linden. First time in years. They have since renovated the place and it looks like a small supermarket inside. Excellent beef/pork franks; my current favorite. On the way home I passed a Polish deli called Bratek on a one way side street. Went back and went in. Saw a few different hot dogs there. The women working there didn't know where they came from, only that they weren't made on the premise.

.A guy from the back came out who was a little easier to understand. I discovered there were chicken franks, pork franks from a company called Sobieski Meat Provisions in Newark which this guy is afiliated with, and pork franks from a company called Bacik out of New York. Also giant 1/2 lb franks from Sobieski. The guy was nice enough to give me about 2 lbs of franks for free.

I went home and prepared 3; a Pulaski 6/1, a Sobieski 6/1, and a Bacik 6/1. Heated in water and finished off in a cast iron skillet. Put in Pechter's/Rockland bakery buns purchased from the Son of Satan at Father & Son in Linden and topped with mustard only.

All three were very good. The Bacik was very tender, almost too much so. Tasted like a typical German/Polish frank. A tad too salty. My least favorite, but still top quality. I'm splitting hairs between the three. This one was pink in color, similar to what Sahlens looks like. The Sobieski was darker in color and longer and thinner than the other 2. Very good flavor. An excellent frank in this style. The Pulaski was my favorite. A little sturdier, but still tender. I like the consistencty and snap of this one a little better. It also had a richer, smokier flavor. I asked one of the butchers about the Pulaski frank. He told me that he doesn't know the recipe or make the franks, but it's 60% pork and 40% beef.

They serve these to eat right there in the store. I was thinking about having one there but they had run out of hot dog buns and I didn't want it on another type of bun. Polish franks are every bit as good as German franks. You can get Pulaski's franks at some supermarkets. The A&P in Kenilworth carries them.

I went to the Dog House on Route 22 in North Plainfield yesterday to sample one of their dogs. I had called previously for information and had trouble understanding the person on the phone who didn't seem to know the brand of dog, only saying it was beef.

The 2 guys working there who I presume were owners look like they are Middle Eastern or perhaps from Israel. I didn't ask. As mentioned they offer deli sandwiches such as corned beef and pastrami and also breakfast sandwiches. I was there for a hot dog, so I ordered one with mustard. The dog is a natural casing all beef Sabrett, either 5/1 or 4/1. My guess is 4/1. They also serve spicy Sabrett sausages and smaller hot dogs. Don't know the size as I saw the package from afar and the guys were hard to understand.

You have a choice of boiled or grilled (griddled). They will deep fry if you request. If you don't specify, you will get a grilled dog. Basic toppings like chili, cheese, relish, etc. are offered. There is an Italian Hot Dog and Chicago dog on the menu. The IHD is the same dog on a regular roll topped with peppers, potatoes, and onions. The Chicago dog also uses the same big Sabrett, but tops it with mustard, relish, and peppers. No pickle, tomato, onions, or celery salt. And no Vienna frank. Not really authentic; but like most places that throw some stuff on a dog and call it a Chicago dog. Ditto for the Italian Hot Dog. Their Texas Weiner has mustard, onions, and chili. What they call a Coney has mustard and your choice of relish or sauerkraut. Never heard a Coney described this way before.

As for my dog, it was prepared well. Definitely hot enough and fresh. Good sturdy Pechters/Rockland Bakery bun. The mustard was yellow but very spicy. Too spicy for my taste and too much was applied. The dog tasted good, but a little mild for a Sabrett. Probably because the mustard was so spicy.

Very reasonaby priced at $2.75 for what is probably a quarter pound frank. Compare this to many places serving 12/1 dirty water Sabrett's for over $2.00. Tiny dogs and places that in my opinion overcharge for them are a pet peeve of mine. I'll always check out a place I haven't gone to, but only return to the places I feel give you value as well as quality. Jerry's in Elizabeth serves an 8/1 natural casing Best's (which I prefer to Sabrett) and charges $1.75. Also finished off on a grill. Not just the best dirty water dog, but one of the best in the entire state. Definitely in my top 5. Dees in Roselle Park and Marci's in Clark serve 10/1 natural casing Sabrett's for less than $2.00. I don't usually return to a place selling anything smaller than a 10/1; especially when they charge more than places serving a bigger dog. They think the customer won't know. A notable exception is Boulevard Drinks in Jersey City. Their dogs are tiny, but they are grilled and delicious. The last time I was there they cost $1.35.

Sorry to get off track, but the Dog House serves a good if unremarkable dog at a great price. Although you can get it dirty water style, I prefer grilled most of the time. Not a destination spot that I would drive far for but a place I would return to, especially when I'm in the area. For less than a dollar more, it's like getting 3 dogs instead of one tiny 12/1 cocktail frank. I'm not unwilling to spend more money for a quality hot dog. I pay $6.99 a pound for top quality franks from European butcher shops and $8.99 a lb for Kocher's wonderful franks. But when you have many places serving the same dog, the ones that are more consumer friendly should be rewarded. Provided of course their product is good. Competition is a wonderful thing. For consumers at least. I'm looking for quality and value. I don't care that a place like the Garage in Millburn charges $6 for the same size dog I got yesterday because their rent is high or because you can see the ocean or the mountains from where they're located. Or that the owner of a hot dog cart dresses up as a chef to pretend he's serving gourmet food when what you just plunked down a couple of dollars for is a skinless 12/1 Sabrett served lukewarm that has been sitting in the water too long.

Last night I compared franks from Pulaski, Union Pork Store, and Kocher's. These are my 3 favorite pork store/butcher shops that make their franks on premise. They are extremely close in flavor. Pulaski's come in a package that has the date they were made. The others were sold loose.
 
I bought the Kocher's frank at John's Meat Market in Scotch Plains. I was told to eat these within a day or 2 of purchasing them. This is good advice because if you keep them longer it does affect the taste. Last time I had to throw out one of the dogs.
 
The franks from Union Pork and Kocher's were purchased a day before I ate them. The Pulaski frank was in the package since Monday when I bought it. All were great. My taste is fickle and when comparing franks that are so close in flavor, one day I will prefer one, the next day another.
 
This time the Kocher's and Union Pork Store franks were a little better than the Pulaski. Maybe leaving it in the fridge for 4 days wasn't a good idea. The dog from Union Pork tasted a little better to me last night. I had them all plain. If you buy any that are sitting loose, check them first by sight. If they look dried out (which is rare), do not buy them. And consume within a day or 2. These franks have no preservatives. I don't know if they even have nitrates. When you get them fresh and at the peak of their flavor, there is nothing better.

John ,
I love your reports buddy , I'm with you  , there are so many carts up here in the Hudson Valley and dog stands that the quality and costs will garner my return business .
And as far as Jersey  , having you and a few others  checking these places out has been a big plus to those of us not from that area
Thanks again
Benzee

On the recent Hot Dog tour I said that the Texas Wiener at Manny's Texas Wiener was my favorite of the day. I had been there a few times before, but I felt that they had really stepped it up a notch in terms of the sauce and whole package. In fact I had been craving thier Texas Weiners ever since.
 
Well, yesterday I went to lunch there with my daughter and sorry to say, things are back to "normal" at Manny's. The dogs were fine and cooked properly, but the sauce was dry and crumbly (maybe some people like it that way, but I like it much more moist), and the roll quickly fell apart after a couple of bites.
 
So, once again I've put Manny's in the "OK if you're in the area" but not Top of the Shelf category.
 
Service is still prompt and efficient though, even during a very busy lunch hour. They do know how to handle crowds, as we saw on the tour.

Well, I just got back from my first trip to Charlie's Pool Room. The drive is about 1.2 hours from my house. It's been long on my list of places I want to go. It was very memorable.
 
I called to make sure they were open and when I got there they knew it was me who called before. I was greeted at the door by John, but had to run back to my car for money. I was then greeted inside by Joe. He took our names and asked where we heard about him.
 
Hollyeats I said, but I'm also a member over at Road Food. I ordered 4 mealies and my girlfriend had 2. We played a few games and sat down at the round table.
 
Really nice bunch of guys. A friend of theirs was hanging out also, but I forget his name, sorry. We talked hot dogs, Road Food, he mentioned John Fox and Screenbear. Told us some stories and I shared my Texas Weiner story with him. He said he gets a lot of customers from Clinton and wanted to see if anyone had tried Antnee's Portguese BBQ and Texas Weiner I spoke of. We also discussed the best pizza he's ever had, which was some pizza in Pennsylvania someone on here mentioned with a potato crust. Talked about Grandma passing away in 72. I was born in 73. Talked a bit about his Dad's barber shop and the new Open sign.
 
I loved the sauce on my hot dog. It wasn't overly sweet like that Sabrett Pushcart sauce. The peppers had a nice bite. We signed their guest book.
 
We briefly talked about his sauce and he gave me the recipe. Just kidding. I did ask about him selling it. I know there's laws nowadays, but you can rent a commercial kitchen fairly cheap. He was mentioning he donated some for a charity thing and they went for about $20 a pint or something. I'd have probably been one of the people bidding if I'd have known. I don't know how long their sauce takes to make, but I think renting a commercial kitchen to make and sell sauce would be profitable.
 
They said it's pretty busy on weekends. Where does everyone go with only one table?
 
Interesting where the place is. Kind of in the middle of houses.. I'm guessing they live upstairs or something? One wonders why they don't have a bigger place to cook or more tables.
 
PS - If someone here lives near that place with the potato dough pizza we should send them one for Christmas. I'm down to chip in a few bucks.

Yuppicide ,
I have been raving about CPR for yrs now , setting up these meets and visiting them on my own when I get a chance , even though its a hell of a drive for me from Upstate NY.
Glad you had a memorable experience with John and Joe !!
They do live upstairs , and are very happy doing what they are doing .
I just hope they dont take the recipe for the sauce with them , that would be a crime
Benzee

A little tidbit someone might find interesting (or that everyone might find stupid):
 
If you search "new jersey hot dogs" on Yahoo, this thread is #1 on the results.  If you search through Google, however, this thread comes up 2nd to something on Holly Eats.  How much could they possibly be saying about New Jersey hot dogs that would top RoadFood??
 
Anyway, thought that was pretty cool...

Gilberts Sausages

A little tidbit someone might find interesting (or that everyone might find stupid):
If you search "new jersey hot dogs" on Yahoo, this thread is #1 on the results.  If you search through Google, however, this thread comes up 2nd to something on Holly Eats.  How much could they possibly be saying about New Jersey hot dogs that would top RoadFood??
Anyway, thought that was pretty cool...

Holly Eats is a fairly regular poster on Roadfood. Currently living in San Antonio area I think.
http://www.hollyeats.com/JerseyDogs.htm

I know they John & Joe read these forums sometimes, but what the heck.. I was thinking about printing my own t-shirt and wearing it in. I think they'd get a kick out of it.
 
Being that I was driving in the middle of nowhere, I kept thinking of The Dukes of Hazzard. I was going to make a shirt that said "The Fenczs of Alpha" on front and on the back have their name and address.
 
.. my other idea was a pool table and instead of balls on the table there'd be hotdogs.