New excuese for not paying!

Today I had an older man come in by himself. He ordered a Pork Belly sandwich, it comes with fries or any of our sides can be substituted, he got the fries. He eats half the sandwich, some of the fries. He tells the waitress the sandwich was too big, he's not going to pay for it. She tells him she will get him a to go box, he says no, he doesn't eat leftovers. He again says he's not paying for it. I was at the bar eating some Chili for lunch, I turned around and said, the chanches of you getting out of here without paying, don't exist. He paid, but laughably said, I'll never come back here again! True story!!

Hard to believe the nerve that some people have.
 
Eat your fill and leave without paying.  He must have left his dead fly at home.
Shaking my head!
 

Did you pull the shotgun from underneath the bar?
 
This guy sounds like a professional huckster.  I usually threaten to throw them out a window

Inquiring minds want to know, did he demand his leftovers be boxed to go after paying?

atta boy Chewy. great response.

chewingthefat


I turned around and said, the chanches of you getting out of here without paying, don't exist. 

 
I'm on your side but I have to ask what you planned to do if he just got up and walked out.   If you physically detained him or laid a hand on him, I suspect (I'm not a lawyer) you'd be on dubious legal grounds.  Certainly you could call the cops and where you live they might actually respond in a timely manner and do something (unlikely where I live).
 
Anyway, I'm curious.  What did your threat actually mean?

I think Chewy needed a new dishwasher.

actually he CAN be "restrained" and kept on the premises for the police in lots of states---did it once a long time ago--back in Berkeley--and the cops came pretty quick.

I still don't get his premise. How does something "too big" translate into not paying? Did he give any further explanation?

BT ,
Sorry you dont get the needed response from your local law enforcement . As a twenty yr retired veteran of the NYPD I can assure you we would respond and handle the situation in a timely manner .
Have heard most  of the stories over the yrs , this sounds like a professional who has gotten away with it more than once
Benzee

Next time I go to Chubby's I'm gonna pay in advance.  That boss man is tough.
 
By the way the next time will be the first.  Until Chewy opens Chubby's southern division in St Pete I'm afraid I will have to miss out on all the good times and good food at Maryland's #1 Eating Establishment.
 
 

Wow, never heard of this one before.  Shaking my head still lol
 
 

Benzee


BT ,
Sorry you dont get the needed response from your local law enforcement . As a twenty yr retired veteran of the NYPD I can assure you we would respond and handle the situation in a timely manner .

 
I based that statement on several interactions with the San Francisco PD which it, indeed, does not surprise me to find is less efficient than the NYPD.
 
The most glaring incident I'm referring to was the following:  I live on the 5th floor of a downtown condo that is a block and a half from City Hall.  It's not a bad neighborhood, but there are some "projects" a couple blocks away.  I feel secure for a number of reasons including the fact that my building has a 24/7 paid security staff (similar to a NY "doorman" except they wear "rent-a-cop" uniforms).  Anyway, one night I was in a room that faces the street and I heard what sounded like about 10 rounds pumped out from a semi-automatic down on the corner of the nearest intersection (after 26 years in the military, I can tell a firearm from firecrackers which I also often hear).  I couldn't see much because there are trees down below that obstruct the view but I called 911.  It seemed a very long time--perhaps 1/2 an hour--before I saw what looked like cops on the scene and 1 1/2 hours before anyone called me back (I did actually appreciate that) to tell me they had found a bunch of empty casings but no body at the scene.
 
Anyway, given the response time to this, I doubt they'd be in a huge hurry to nab somebody walking out on a $10 restaurant tab.  Certainly not in enough of a hurry to actually catch them.  And if the owner of the restaurant tried to detain the person, it could lead to an uncomfortable situation that would (if it were me) seem like it lasted forever.
 
By the way, another reason I am skeptical of the response of my local PD is this and I'dlove to hear your opinion on it:  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi.../detail?entry_id=82728
 
Just doesn't seem that hard to me--and, as somebody said in a comment, they seem to be able to do it in NY because you can walk around a long time in the Big Apple and not see bums with vicious dogs squatting on the sidewalk obstructing it like in SF.
 
PS:  Don't mean to hijack the thread.

Pretty lame excuse for not paying. If he's a professional at not paying for his food he needs to come up with a better line.
BTW about the cops coming out for something like this it all depends on where you live and how many cops have been laid off due to budget cuts. I read recently that in some places they won't come out for residential burglaries. You either go to the station and fill out a report or in some case you can fill one out online.
 

JRPfeff


Inquiring minds want to know, did he demand his leftovers be boxed to go after paying?

No he didn't, wierd guy, he kept giving me the evil eye!

Confrontation is not always wise regardless of their age.  In business, you will have a few folks that are like that.  Your loss was probably minimum.  Your response was very good but had he pushed it, I would have let him walk. 
Had he walked, you probably would have lost $8-10.00.  The hassle of getting the law involved and the incurring paper work and potential legal issues would have been distracting to you and your restaurant.
 
Just my personal thoughts.
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Sundancer7


Confrontation is not always wise regardless of their age.  In business, you will have a few folks that are like that.  Your loss was probably minimum.  Your response was very good but had he pushed it, I would have let him walk. 
Had he walked, you probably would have lost $8-10.00.  The hassle of getting the law involved and the incurring paper work and potential legal issues would have been distracting to you and your restaurant.

Just my personal thoughts.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

 
I'll bet this is exactly what the offender was hoping Fat's reaction would be......
SURPRISE!!!!!!!!

Folks, something to think about. The cours have ruled that police do not have a duty to respond to a citizen's calls.
 
Warren v. District of Columbia (444 A.2d 1, 1981) ((O)fficial police personnel and the government employing them are not generally liable to victims of criminal acts for failure to provide adequate police protection ... this uniformly accepted rule rests upon the fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular citizen ... a publicly maintained police force constitutes a basic governmental service provided to benefit the community at large by promoting public peace, safety and good order.)
 
Hartzler v. City of San Jose, 46 Cal.App.3d 6, 120 Cal.Rptr. 5 (1975) (The administrator of the estate of Ruth Bunnell who had been killed by her estranged husband brought a wrongful death action against the city whose police department refused to respond to her call for protection some 45 minutes before her death. Mrs. Bunnell had called the police to report that Mack Bunnell had called saying he was on his way to her home to kill her. She was told to call back when Mack Bunnell arrived. The police had responded 20 times to her calls in the past year, and on one occasion, arrested her estranged husband for assaulting her. The Court of Appeal held that the police department and its employees enjoyed absolute immunity for failure to provide sufficient police protection. The allegations that the police had responded 20 times to her calls did not indicate that the police department had assumed any special relationship or duty toward her such as would remove its immunity.);
 
WASHINGTON, June 27 (2005) - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

ces1948


I still don't get his premise. How does something "too big" translate into not paying? Did he give any further explanation?

No, none, he was just a chisler.

BT

chewingthefat


I turned around and said, the chanches of you getting out of here without paying, don't exist. 

I'm on your side but I have to ask what you planned to do if he just got up and walked out.   If you physically detained him or laid a hand on him, I suspect (I'm not a lawyer) you'd be on dubious legal grounds.  Certainly you could call the cops and where you live they might actually respond in a timely manner and do something (unlikely where I live).

Anyway, I'm curious.  What did your threat actually mean?

I treat it like he was trying to rob me and deal with him the way he needed dealing. Old guy or not, you don't cross certain lines and expect no consequences. Running a restaurant is tough enough by itself, wack jobs will find no quarter here, I don't want to come off cold but letting the inmates run the prison ain't happening here, in other words I would have restrained him till the Sheriff's Deputies, came, they come running when I call, inasmuch as the State Police and Sheriff Deputies money is not accepted here, and they eat here all the time, a cheap insurance policy for me.

Bravo, Chewie!
 

Chewie - Did your "patron" look like this?

Probably not, your guy was brighter than this.

JRPfeff


Chewie - Did your "patron" look like this?

Probably not, your guy was brighter than this.

Could be his son!

That guy was a filthy animal !