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Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 9:10 AM
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However you may feel about deep-dish vs. foldable, this - from last night and already on the net - is "spit-take" funny.
 
(Mild profanity only; the bad stuff is bleeped
  

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 9:22 AM
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Well all I have to say is that I grew up on the north side of Chicago and neither I nor any of my contemporaries ever ate deep dish pizza. We would get a sausage green pepper and onion from Angelo's and it was flat with well cooked crust on the bottom so I don't know where this deep dish stuff got started. Wasn't me!

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 9:42 AM
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I'm with Jon. I tried a piece of Lou Malnati's (sp?) down there once and felt bloated for the rest of the day. Give me a thin, crisp crust, fresh clam from Pepe's any day.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 10:45 AM
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Pancho


I'm with Jon. I tried a piece of Lou Malnati's (sp?) down there once and felt bloated for the rest of the day. Give me a thin, crisp crust, fresh clam from Pepe's any day.


The only "Chicago-style" I ever had was at Geppetto's in Georgetown (WDC).  It was a tasty casserole, but I was full after just one slice.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 10:49 AM
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It's almost as if he's been secretly following Contingent tours and that segment's an attempt to wrangle an invitation to Chicago for pizza and hot dogs. Are you listening, Buddy Roadhouse?
 
If there are any current cast members with Chicago ties this could be fodder for a Saturday Night Live skit or "Weekend Update" segment.
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 10:55 AM
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One of my RF friends(yes, I still have a couple left)sent me a Google Map of places to eat in Orlando.  I noticed he had Giordano's listed among his favorites, and knowing he is a PIZZA CONNOISSEUR, I gave it a shot.  It totally sucked!  I am very careful about this guys recommendations anymore.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 11:34 AM
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NY Pizza

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 1:25 PM
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MILWAUKEE Pizza!!!!

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 1:56 PM
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MILWAUKEE Pizza!!!!


I've heard of St. Louis Pizza, but Milwaukee Pizza?
 
Please describe.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 2:30 PM
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ScreamingChicken
It's almost as if he's been secretly following Contingent tours and that segment's an attempt to wrangle an invitation to Chicago for pizza and hot dogs. Are you listening, Buddy Roadhouse?
Jon Stewart sounds a little mad right now, so I'd be too scared to invite him here for dinner.  OTH, I'd be amazed if some savvy marketing guy, hired by one of the "big name" Chicago Style Pizza joints hasn't already sent a truckload of frozen Pan Pizzas to the Daily Show offices.  Dumb New Yorkers; they'll probably screw it up reheating them, then blame it on the guy who sent them.
 
It should be noted, there are multiple styles of Pizza served in our town.  Plenty of tavern style thin crust places, maybe more than Pan Style places.  In reference to the Pan Style Pizza, there are actually at least two versions that frequently get confused.  There's the original Pan Style, which is generally not as thick as it appears to be.  Cooked in a deep dish baking pan, the dough is pulled up the side, creating the illusion that it is an inch or more thick.  In fact, it is only slightly thicker than a tavern style version.
 
The other "in-the-pan" style Pizza is what we call a Stuffed Pizza.  It's a fairly new addition to the scene, certainly not as old as the original Pan Style.  There's no question this is a THICK Pizza.  The difference between the Pan Style and the Stuffed Pizza involves placement of the ingredients.  A Pan Style Pizza starts with the dough base, followed by a layer of sliced Mozzarella cheese.  Raw crushed tomatoes or a rustic tomato puree (not a marinara sauce as Mr. Stewart wrongly claims) goes on top, followed by your ingredients.  A shake of Parmesan or Romano cheese and a little dried oregano tops it all off.
 
The Stuffed Pizza is prepared more like an actual pie.  A thin crust on the bottom, followed by mounds of shredded Mozzarella, then your ingredient choices.  Another layer of dough covers it up, and only then is the tomato sauce added, on top of the second layer of crust.  No argument that this version sounds more like a casserole.  But I still love it.
 
Also, there are different variations within that "original" Pan Style method.  As I said, some of them have the dough pulled up the side of the pan, creating a dam that holds the ingredients in place.  Other create a level crust, allowing the sliced cheese around the edge to melt down and create a "caramelized" crust.  Some places incorporate corn meal into the crust, others do a straight wheat crust.
 
The only reason Pan Style Pizza is called "Chicago Style Pizza" is because it was invented here.  It is not necessarily the predominant style served in Chicago Pizza places.  in fact, most Chicago foodies will argue that the tavern style, or traditional thin crust version (cut in squares, of course) is the true Chicago Pizza.
 
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 2:35 PM
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I will add one thing to this conversation. I don't care what you call it, where it's from or (for the most part) what it consists of, if you make good pizza, I'll love it.
 
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 8:13 PM
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MILWAUKEE Pizza!!!!


I've heard of St. Louis Pizza, but Milwaukee Pizza?

Please describe.

Combine these two Maria's Pizza's and this was supper tonight; Maria's pizza with the works.
 

 


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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 8:50 PM
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I can't believe it. For the very first time -- and likely the last -- I agree with that guy Stewart-something. It is a casserole. It's not an apizza. It's not even a pizza. It's not bad, but it's not a tomato pie. Maybe a tomato cake.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 9:35 PM
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NY Pizza 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 10:15 PM
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myterry2


NY Pizza 

Oh, New York's isn't bad. But of course it isn't New Haven apizza.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/14/13 10:22 PM
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Agree Michael, it isn't New Haven.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Fri, 11/15/13 10:17 AM
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MilwFoodlovers


MetroplexJim


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MILWAUKEE Pizza!!!!


I've heard of St. Louis Pizza, but Milwaukee Pizza?

Please describe.

Combine these two Maria's Pizza's and this was supper tonight; Maria's pizza with the works.






Wow!  That looks very tasty (even if a bit - cheese wise - 'cheddary'). 
 
It reminds me of my favorite "old school" - ('50's style, "pre-brick oven gourmet") pizza here in Dallas:  Campisi's Egyptian Lounge (the site of Jack Ruby's last dinner as a free man).
 
Same shape.  Same thin, crackery crust.  Same square cut (which I prefer).  Kinda makes you wonder which way this style travelled along I-35!
 


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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Fri, 11/15/13 10:59 AM
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MilwFoodlovers, Looks like the "Meter of Pizza" that is sold in Rome.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Fri, 11/15/13 12:19 PM
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Open since April 5th, 1957, I'll pass that on to Bonnie the owner, next time I pop in. I'm not sure what the cheese is but it doesn't taste cheddary. Bonnie is in her 70's, Maria was her mom, the place has numerous paint by number Jesus paintings done by her late father. Garishly lit up by strings of light, and decorated for every season, it is the one "Roadfood" type place I try to take out of towners. Bonnie since she was twenty-something, has always had bright blond hair, a red dress, and red high heels. She's a true sweetheart and is friend to all. Younger Contingent females wonder how she manages to be on her feet with those stiletto heels. Sausage is made in house.



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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Fri, 11/15/13 1:25 PM
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Open since April 5th, 1957, I'll pass that on to Bonnie the owner, next time I pop in. I'm not sure what the cheese is but it doesn't taste cheddary. Bonnie is in her 70's, Maria was her mom, the place has numerous paint by number Jesus paintings done by her late father. Garishly lit up by strings of light, and decorated for every season, it is the one "Roadfood" type place I try to take out of towners. Bonnie since she was twenty-something, has always had bright blond hair, a red dress, and red high heels. She's a true sweetheart and is friend to all. Younger Contingent females wonder how she manages to be on her feet with those stiletto heels. Sausage is made in house.

You hit the nail on the head with this one... this is definitely a "Milwaukee pizza"... Down to the tavern cut pieces.. Simply perfect!

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Fri, 11/15/13 4:06 PM
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One of my RF friends(yes, I still have a couple left)sent me a Google Map of places to eat in Orlando.  I noticed he had Giordano's listed among his favorites, and knowing he is a PIZZA CONNOISSEUR, I gave it a shot.  It totally sucked!  I am very careful about this guys recommendations anymore.

 
Giordano's in Chicago is terrible.  I can't believe that it would be any better in Orlando.



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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Fri, 11/15/13 5:28 PM
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Even though I don't agree with Jon's point of view - that was hilarious
 
almost as good as his rant about Trump and Palin eating "NY style" pizza

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Fri, 11/15/13 10:00 PM
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I agree Chicago style pizza is really more a casserole!!!

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Sat, 11/16/13 12:35 AM
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I'll second that negative opinion of Giordano's.  I fact, ANY franchise version (Pizzeria Uno's, Gino's East, etc.) should not be taken as an accurate representation of any kind of Chicago Pizza, thick, thin, stuffed, or otherwise.
 
If you tell the hostess or waiter at any one of these places that you are originally from Chicago and are looking forward to a "taste of home", they apologize in advance for not living up to standards or expectations.
 
You want Chicago Pizza?  Come to Chicago.  Live by the wanderingjew credo (apologies to wj as I paraphrase): Eat regional food in the region it came from.
 
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Sat, 11/16/13 9:07 AM
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BuddyRoadhouse

You want Chicago Pizza?  Come to Chicago.  Live by the wanderingjew credo (apologies to wj as I paraphrase): Eat regional food in the region it came from.

Buddy

 
Agreed!  I was led astray
 
The #1 pizza on my Chicago Hit List is Burt's.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Sat, 11/16/13 11:17 AM
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I live in a herd, the herd took a train from Washington State to Chicago. In most cases the male is the head of the herd, making sure the rest of the herd is safe. The Male head of the herd  learns if he wants to get along with the female members of the herd, he needs to be strong, yet understanding of all members of the herd. He also learns if he ever wants to sleep next to the head female member of the herd, he needs to learn and adjust his strategy. The deep dish Chicago pizza is tradition in the herd, this is the young female member of the herd eating a slice after being on the train for two nights. The female members then went shopping, there was less money in the herd when they returned......The herd was happy.............Signed, the head of the herd....I think!
 


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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Sat, 11/16/13 11:54 AM
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MMM, love Burt's but I pretty much dislike most deep dish pizza's. Uno's and Duo's downtown Chicago both were great as was Lou Malnati's in, I don't know, was it Skokie?
Burt's
 


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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Sat, 11/16/13 1:45 PM
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joerogo
The #1 pizza on my Chicago Hit List is Burt's.
Just make sure you call your order in ahead of time, as described in countless internet reviews and comments, and you'll be good to go.  If you come on the right night, I might even see you there.
 
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Sat, 11/16/13 2:24 PM
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pnwchef - nice to see Mollie again! 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Sat, 11/16/13 2:32 PM
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I made my own hotdish...er, deep dish pizza (without the tater tots) in Minnesota.
 


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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 8:02 AM
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My Dad said decades ago-  "That ain't no pizza.  It's a cassarole that's a pizza wanna-be. And it missed."

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 10:07 AM
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It is surprising how many members of Roadfood -- a site dedicated to celebrating regional differences in eats -- are utterly intolerant of regional differences in eats.
 
(please note that the above is not directed at Wartoad's dad)
(unless he happens to be a Roadfood member)
 
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 10:48 AM
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beans with that chili? :)

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 10:52 AM
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I wonder how Jon Stewart feels about Maruca's Pizza Rustica, presented here by our very own CCinNJ.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 11:02 AM
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TJ Jackson


It is surprising how many members of Roadfood -- a site dedicated to celebrating regional differences in eats -- are utterly intolerant of regional differences in eats.

(please note that the above is not directed at Wartoad's dad)
(unless he happens to be a Roadfood member)



LOL!  You can direct that at my Dad. (I actually like Chicago style when it's done well.)   He is notoriously picky and opinionated in his eating habits.  He is notoriously opinionated in just about anything, in fact.  He makes our own Mr. Hoffman look like a hugable squeezable little teddy bear.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 11:13 AM
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A huggable squeezable little teddy bear?  You're kidding, right?

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 11:15 AM
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Fellow old timers maybe you can jog my memory.  I know pizza was a Polish invention but was it thick or thin, Gary or Cleveland, and most important of all, did it come with catsup/ketchup on it or did you have to put your own on?

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 11:32 AM
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It was in Gary.
 
This was established many years ago right here in these forums: http://www.roadfood.com/F...ith-Pizza-m248618.aspx
 
Get with the program, dude :-)
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 11:34 AM
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MilwFoodlovers


Fellow old timers maybe you can jog my memory.  I know pizza was a Polish invention but was it thick or thin, Gary or Cleveland, and most important of all, did it come with catsup/ketchup on it or did you have to put your own on?

I'm not sure if we ever came to any conclusion if you could put ketchup on a hotdog pizza. 
 
(I have made that before, my 4 year old wanted one.     )

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 11:57 AM
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I am very huggable. I don't take well, though, to being squeezed.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 12:02 PM
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TJ Jackson


It is surprising how many members of Roadfood -- a site dedicated to celebrating regional differences in eats -- are utterly intolerant of regional differences in eats.

(please note that the above is not directed at Wartoad's dad)
(unless he happens to be a Roadfood member)


Come now, TJ, who is intolerant of regional differences? Why, I, myself, am among the most tolerant. For instance, I love Cincinnati chili. I just realize that it isn't actually chili. When it comes to the so-called deep dish stuff that is blamed on Chicago I have nothing against it at all. I'm just glad that it is in Chicago, a city so broad-shouldered and vibrant that it can easily handle the fact that the world dismisses its claim to being a Mecca for apizza.


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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 12:12 PM
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Well said Mr. Hoffman.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 12:35 PM
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Just so I am clear - I am not singling you out here, MH. 
 
There are plenty of folks with varying degrees of intolerance for regional food differences here, despite the overarching theme of this website being celebration and embrace of regional food differences

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 12:46 PM
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Chicago, New York, Milwaukee, Gary --- It's all garbage! You'll only find authentic pizza in Naples. And don't be a Neanderthal, use a knife & fork for crying out loud. (Smiley face with tongue stuck out --- ergo, Miley Face)
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 1:01 PM
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Heck, everyone knows that Neapolitans traveled to New Haven to learn how to make apizza.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 1:02 PM
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TJ Jackson


Just so I am clear - I am not singling you out here, MH. 

There are plenty of folks with varying degrees of intolerance for regional food differences here, despite the overarching theme of this website being celebration and embrace of regional food differences

Heck, it never occurred to me that you were singling me out.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 1:10 PM
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Heck, everyone knows that Neapolitans traveled to New Haven to learn how to make apizza.

What does ice cream have to do with apizza?
And why does spell check want me to put a space between the a and the p?

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 1:27 PM
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Spell check is an ass. Now, with regard to your perfectly reasonable question about ice cream and apizza, it has always been known that the perfect thing to follow a wonderful apizza (although not a clam pie) is a serving of some sort of Italian ice cream. In many areas spumoni gets the nod, but in Naples and New Haven, for reasons of heritage and pride, Neapolitan is the choice of the cognoscenti.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 1:33 PM
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TJ Jackson


It was in Gary.

This was established many years ago right here in these forums: http://www.roadfood.com/F...ith-Pizza-m248618.aspx

Get with the program, dude :-)
Still to this day, I don't think I have ever enjoyed a thread more than that one.  Absolutely priceless!


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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 1:38 PM
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Can we agree that anything called "NY Style Pizza" served anywhere other than New York City will be disappointing and probabably atrocious?

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 1:50 PM
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No, we can't.
 
I know of at least one good source of good NYC style pizza in the greater Cincinnati area, and another in Dayton.
 
There may be others I am unaware of at this point

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 2:12 PM
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TJ - That seems to be all they sell in Raleigh and after trying their version I decided that Domino's deserved a 2nd chance. I still don't know why anyone would mix vomit in their pizza sauce.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 2:33 PM
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buffetbuster

Still to this day, I don't think I have ever enjoyed a thread more than that one.  Absolutely priceless!

Given your enjoyment of this thread and your newfound editorial powers here, I recommend clemency for the thread originator, polish_guy, who has been serving a ban without chance of parole for years now

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 2:38 PM
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Had a very good deep-dish pizza in Chicago at Pizzeria Due last week.  It looked much better that the one in the picture above.  I loved the crust, which must have corn meal in it.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 2:55 PM
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I've seen cornmeal used to dust the pan or stone on thin crust pizzas, but never in a deep dish pan. Usually they just oil the sweet holy bejeessez out of the pan.  So... cornmeal in the crust?  Kinda begs for chili in the sauce. 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 3:05 PM
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JRPfeff

Can we agree that anything called "NY Style Pizza" served anywhere other than New York City will be disappointing and probabably atrocious?

 
No.  I'll grant you that many of them are likely to disappoint, but I'm aware of two places in the Atlanta area that are owned by New Yorkers (Baby Tommy's, whose owner is from Brooklyn and, especially, LaBella's, which is crewed entirely by a family from Long Island).  I just don't get why a pizza made by Long Islanders using the same ingredients that they used on Long Island is going to be worse when it's made in Georgia.  Barometric pressure, I imagine?
 
Similarly, I once had an argument with somebody about how the owner of Roy's Cheesesteaks in Smyrna GA couldn't possibly be making a good philly.  Roy uses the "right" bread (Amoroso's), offers them wit' wiz, and grew up in Cherry Hill.  I declined to continue the debate when informed that Cherry Hill was not actually Philadelphia, as that settled it for the other fellow.  Sheesh!

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 3:08 PM
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I mail-order my wife a three pack of Lou Malnatti cheese pizzas every year for her birthday.  We've never been disappointed, though if we ever make it in a solid metal pan instead of the throw-away aluminum pan it might be even better.
 
I'm sure people from St Louis naysay New Haven pizza, and folks from Old Forge gainsay New York pizza, etc, etc.
 
If one likes what ever style they like, good for them. Soooo much pizza hated.  Darth Sidious rejoices. 
 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 3:47 PM
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I don't care what you call it, where it's from or (for the most part) what it consists of, if you make good pizza, I'll love it.

eruby


If one likes what ever style they like, good for them.

 


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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 4:49 PM
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To me, it's amazing that anyone would think that what Stewart says about pizza deserves a thread at Roadfood.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 5:06 PM
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jman


To me, it's amazing that anyone would think that what Stewart says about pizza deserves a thread at Roadfood.


You don't think that truth in food deserves to be on Roadfood?

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