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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2005/08/04 18:03:36 (permalink)
There is a new place in St. Louis you might want to try if you don't like St. Louis style pizza. Feraro's Jersey Pizza just opened in Soulard at 10th and Geyer. The owner is a Joisey transplant. You can get a whole pizza fixed to order or you can buy it by the slice. I stopped by for lunch today and had a slice, soda, and salad for six bucks.

I read on another thread a guy stating that he had a cardinal rule never to eat pizza outside Chicago. Give me a break! Just because pizza is not like what you had growing up, it's still pizza. It seems that pizza discussion with some people is just as contentious as religion and politics. It would be a much nicer place if people were more open-minded about their religion, politics, AND pizza. Variety is the spice of life.

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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2005/08/04 19:29:59 (permalink)
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I read on another thread a guy stating that he had a cardinal rule never to eat pizza outside Chicago. Give me a break! Just because pizza is not like what you had growing up, it's still pizza.


Have you ever had Pizza in Seattle??????!!!!!!!
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2005/08/14 12:37:04 (permalink)
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The Talayna's at McCausland and Forest Park Parkway (next to WU) closed many years ago due to a gruesome crime outside the front door. There's still one nearby on De Baliviere.


i hadn't heard that story. sounds more like an urban legend to me, as that's not really a good reason to move an entire business, especially when the neighborhood they moved to wasn't a distinct step up but is more like a comparable neighborhood. i had always heard that that location moved to debaliviere because wash u. bought their building. i remember seeing a news story about it when that happened back in '96 (or was it early '97?).

i used to enjoy going to talayna's, but the last time i went (about a month ago), the chicago-style was no longer chicago-style, which was quite disappointing, so that's the last time we go back there. granted, their other food is fine, and the taste of the not-so-chicago-style chicago-style pizza was okay, but it wasn't what i was looking for.

for thin crust, fortel's is our favorite. imo's is fine if you like "cheese n crackers", but it's not my style of pizza, and i find it way too expensive for the amount of food you actually get.

i dig black thorn's pizza, but it's a bit out-of-the-way for us, and my wife is pregnant, so bars are not high on our list of places to visit. we haven't tried lemmon's (on gravois) yet, but if it's as good as black thorn, i can see that becoming our talayna's replacement.

if only lou malnati's could open up a location in st. louis!
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2005/08/14 18:37:51 (permalink)
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Ah, St. Louis - not the best town for pizza. I grew up there and always want an Imo's when I'm in town, but it's not great pizza. I think it's more like comfort food for me...

I still prefer a thin crust though. Now I live in Chicago, and I can not stand the local deep dish pizza - it's just too much.

There is a good place in Kirkwood (was mentioned somewhere on this site) can't remember the name though. Had some good reviews... Maybe try a search...



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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2005/08/14 18:42:06 (permalink)
I just went to Feraro's Jersey style pizza in Soulard on 10th street and it is definately the best pizza in St. Louis. I am from New Jersey and have lived in St. Louis for 20 years and have dreamed of having a really good Jersey shore pizza available here in town. It's like a little slice ( no pun intended ) of seaside heights boardwalk right here in the midwest!
Thank you thank you thank you!
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2005/08/14 19:35:01 (permalink)
Sam I Am,

It's no urban legend. I remember it quite well. The building has been rehabbed with several store fronts and one is now a coffee shop. I would like to know what they did with all the stained glass.

Nancy Anne,

Feraro's is good. You might also want to try Pizza A Go Go on Ivanhoe at Scanlan (near Arsenal and I-44). Dinner only, opens at 4PM and closed Wed.

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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2005/08/21 11:02:25 (permalink)
I grew up in West County. I'm now a chef living in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I've travelled all over the world. Having tried pizza from Italy to New Zealand, I still get cravings for Cecil Whittakers. I have tried to recreate their sauce and cheese combinations in my own kitchens but just can't quite get it. Pizza should be simple and true to taste and that's what their pizza is all about. Cecil Whittakers is definately the quintissential St.Louis-style thin crust pizza. Boun appetito!
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2005/08/31 21:23:04 (permalink)
Being a native St. Louisan, I grew up on pies from Imos, Cecil Whittakers, Rigazzi's, & Pietros. The provel cheese is what makes the pizza to me. I don't care for mozzerella cheese on pizza...
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2005/09/16 00:16:48 (permalink)
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Originally posted by nancyanne

I just went to Feraro's Jersey style pizza in Soulard on 10th street and it is definately the best pizza in St. Louis. I am from New Jersey and have lived in St. Louis for 20 years and have dreamed of having a really good Jersey shore pizza available here in town. It's like a little slice ( no pun intended ) of seaside heights boardwalk right here in the midwest!
Thank you thank you thank you!
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2005/09/16 00:21:47 (permalink)
My wife and I own a Pizzeria in Lavallette and doubt that you can replicate the taste in St Louis! Is the dough the same thin crust you get on the boardwalk in Seaside Heights? Is the cheese whole milk mozz? Is the sauce hand made with a 50 year old secret recipie, only made by the owner himself? If the answer to all these is yes you still probalbly can't get it right! And to Nancy, they are making a movie called "Greetings from the shore" here in Lavalette this week, keep a lookout for it, it will send you back 20 years!
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/03/14 18:19:37 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Bushie

I LOVE St. Louis-style pizza, although the chains have screwed it up. Here's a thread where y'all might glean some good recs.

http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=780


I'm a native St. Louisan, and I always warn visitors to avoid StL Style pizza. It is slimy, and no wonder, as it is made with process cheese.

I'm sorry, but that stuff (provel) isn't cheese.
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/03/14 19:13:07 (permalink)
St. Louis style pizza is definitely an acquired taste. Sometimes I crave it, sometimes I don't. No matter what, it's better than anything I ever ate from Domino's or Pizza Hut. Cecil Whittakers in St. Louis, a local chain, makes a reasonable stl-style pizza--I personally like it better than Imo's, another local chain. For the best Stl-style, go to a family joint like Ponticello's in North County, Stephanina's or Saullo's in St Charles County.

Many places will also make you a pizza with mozzarella instead of provel, if you just ask.

Really great traditional pizza is kind of hard to find in St. Louis. From my college days, I remember Shakespeare's or G & D in Columbia. Those are real pizzas!

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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/03/15 10:22:15 (permalink)
Geez...I was just in St. Louis for the first time 2 weeks ago, and tried the pizza...ugh!..really awful...that cheese (Provel?) is all creamy and pungent...almost like cooked cream cheese...first went to a place in the Hill District (name escapes me)..touted by some national magazine (Gourmet perhaps?) in their ad to have one of the "Top Ten Pizzas IN THE WORLD"...had to try it and, whew....dreadful...was so dissapointed, threw rest out after only two pieces and want immediately to a place called IMO's...just as bad!.

Just an aside...LOVED that Hill District...reminded me of a little Brooklyn....plus the Boulard (is that it?)...district near downtown (similar in feel to Baltimore/Philly)...who knew St. Louis had such character...want to go back soon...
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/03/25 13:00:16 (permalink)
Hey, I just posted about local pizza joints on my blog! Check it out:

www.stlouielouie.com/?p=33

Happy pizza-eating,
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/03/25 13:47:59 (permalink)
BTW, Fortel's SUCKS. I just don't get that crap at all. Just because "the ovens are always on" doesn't make the pizza inside them any better. Way overrated.

Anyway, I'll reiterate what I wrote on my blog posting: Pizza-A-Go-Go, Vito's, Rigazzi's, Black Thorn/Lemmons, St. Louis Pizza & Wings, Pizzeria Della Piazza and The Neighborhood Pizza Parlor are all GREAT pizza (and yes I've eaten pizza in other cities). And yes, I, too love Imo's. Pizza World is also good. I've heard Dewey's in Kirkwood is great, but I haven't gotten out there yet (I'm a south city boy).

There's no reason why anyone should EVER eat at Pizza Slut or Papa Johnny-on-the-Spot's. Just like anything else, you've gotta dig deep to find the best stuff!

Links to some of these joints are on my blog post.

Later,
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/04/12 23:55:09 (permalink)
I was raised in St. Louis, though have lived away(OK &TX)since 1989--and every trip home requires the mandatory IMO's and Cecils. Because trips are usually not that long, the fact that you can get toasted ravs are a big plus as well. When I was pregnant I had such provel cheese cravings that I actually bought a block from the deli at Dierbergs--lasted quite a while in the freezer. Most may think it's not great pizza cheese, but to me it is a STL tradition. Those who can leisurely order an Imo's any night of the week feel lucky--all we have here just just north of Houston is the Dominos/Papa Johns,etc--
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/07/15 16:03:18 (permalink)
I agree with you about the Pizza in Texas. I am a STL girl and lived in Dallas and Houston and the pizza is BAD! There was one place on Richmond that I could stomach, the name escapes me now. If you ever come to STL travel up to Florissant and head to BJ's. It is the best pizza I have ever had! Pironne's is a close second.
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/07/15 18:01:30 (permalink)
I can't believe I grew up in St. Louis and never heard of Cecil Whittakers. Seems many have heard of it....
Can someone describe the pizza? Similar to Imo's? I actually worked at an Imo's in college, and while not great pizza, it does bring me home...
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/07/16 00:39:34 (permalink)
It is basically Imo's. They have a few pasta's, and good salads. They have better specials then anyone else.
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/07/17 14:01:54 (permalink)
I got a pizza at one of the Imo's in Kansas City last week out of curiosity, since I had never tried "St. Louis style pizza", and I thought it sucked.

As a native New Yorker, I really like thin crust, but Imo's crust was riduculous - what do they use for it, a big matzoh cracker?
And that provel cheese? Please. It tastes way too funky to be used on pizza. I guess it must be something you have to have grown up with.

Sweeney, however. my 6 month old Westie, just loved Imo's. But he also likes to eat an occasional cat turd.
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/07/19 21:30:42 (permalink)
Imo's = God

No joke.
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/07/24 17:38:36 (permalink)
Riku, I agree! We just returned from St. Louis and had that yummy old cracker crust pizza 3 of the 6 nights we were there--plus some toasted ravioli's. Nothin' better.
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/07/31 20:35:04 (permalink)
Well there were some very good choices for pizza u put down . i definetly will try some of those suggestions. i wanted to tell u guy's some of my favorite .

Down Town there's Pepinos Pizza . It's thin crust style, but fresh homemade ingredents with a great pice . 205 n 14th (231-4500)

also ferraraz in soulard is probably the best new york style pizza I've tried . 10th and gyer. they have many choices and there pizza is choice and a cool atmosphere


palmadores on south grand is a 3 week old pizza joint .they have owned the bar next door for about 10 years . the cool thing about this place is u can sit in the bar and they bring the pizza to u . they have a great jukebox. just south of baits on grand.

peace
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/08/04 16:04:14 (permalink)
Pointers Pizza
(314) 644-2000
1023 S Big Bend Blvd
St Louis, MO 63117

I haven't tried the pizza there but have seen the show that you're talking about.
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/09/01 02:21:22 (permalink)
Incredible that a town with a solid Italian tradition would have ever given birth to junk like Papa John's - the BIG question is how does it keep going?

But I'm afraid that I can answer my own question - when Domino's can succeed nation-wide - etc etc

I know Domino's uses also that HORRIBLE pre-baked cardboard for 'thin crust' -- do I recall correctly that PJ uses the same type of crud?
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/09/02 16:33:59 (permalink)
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Incredible that a town with a solid Italian tradition would have ever given birth to junk like Papa John's - the BIG question is how does it keep going?

But I'm afraid that I can answer my own question - when Domino's can succeed nation-wide - etc etc

I know Domino's uses also that HORRIBLE pre-baked cardboard for 'thin crust' -- do I recall correctly that PJ uses the same type of crud?



This thread seems as good a place as any to expound upon something I found to be quite interesting long ago, here, and everywhere else.

People disagree.

Some people like St. Louis style pizza and most people don't. Some people think we're fighting against terrorism in Iraq, most people don't. Here on the internet especially, you aren't going to change their minds with words. At least you shouldn't be able to, unless their argument is shallow enough to allow a change in thought. If that's the case, why are you arguing?
Regardless of your leanings on anything, when you enter the sphere of the internet, be sure of your facts. Do not relay or concoct misinformation. If you do initiate or propogate misinformation , admit it , and state your mistakes when proven otherwise. and redact any false statements you have made. You can edit your posts here.
With that in mind and this:
http://www.papajohns.com/pj_story/index.htm

How in the hell can you possibly invoke Saint Louis, Missouri, Papa Johns Pizza, St. Louis style pizza, John Schnatter, St. Louis' Italian heritage all in the same post? I don't mean to be mean, but I'm gonna be and I gotta ask where do you get this $*%^ from? Who's teachin' you? Where you learnin' your stuff? I gotta think it "ain't" the right places. I won't proceed with my next thought.

Oh yeah. and I just saw Olberman v. Rumsfeld. Teeth bared, often! And just so you don't feel individually vilified, Clapton was once equated to god... yeah... to that Riku dude, too... yeah.

And to anybody that wishes to punish Domino's for their current state let me remind them that in the past Domino's delivered. I'll go beyond that to say that at a certain point in my life, they sustained me. My work schedule was every other night and every other weekend. From 0500pm on Friday to 0800am Monday, I was "theirs". I couldn't do crap unless "they" knew where I was. I had to be in contact. We didn't have cell phones, we didn't have Blackberries, this was 30 years ago. We called Domino's and they delivered. They delivered luscious greasy pizzas that we savored. Who else was gonna deliver? This was middletown USA, literally!

Unfortunately, Dominos no longer delivers such succelent pies. I can't be a witness to it but I hear they now deliver "cow flops." That brings to mind the song "Dreams to Remember," (my version is Delbert McClinton though I'm sure there are many others). I'm bettin' Del has eaten Imo's and a whole lotta Dominos and he doesn't know the difference.

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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2006/09/02 16:58:37 (permalink)
(Dick Cheney is no doubt bunkered down 567 meters underground with a newly discovered Clausewitz writing - so we needn't worry about him interloping here)

I have only lambasted Papa John - but by extrapolation and even interpolation - Papa John must say a lot about what St. Louisans are eating as far as pizza goes - because you can trip over Papa John's at every 3rd intersection)

Indeed my question was - does St. louis also have real pizza à la John's/Lombardi/Patsy's NY - New Haven/Wooster etc?

I have been forced to eat Papa John's enough times that liking their crud has nothing to do with taste - but everything to do with NO taste. I can well imagine there is a segment of the population that would eat ketchup poured onto some kind of bread shoe leather - with a few pepperoni slices tossed on and think it fine

I have also been forced to eat Domino's similar crap because there were no other places open in Butte, MT etc. But that certainly doesn't let me think this was 'pizza,' Rather it was just unpoisoned (with cyanide) 'biomass'

Similarly I suppose you may have nostalgia for Domino's keeping you alive - but - gees - wouldn't it have been possible to take a can of tuna fish and a can opener with you - it sure would have been tastier.
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2007/04/11 22:46:03 (permalink)
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Has anyone ever heard of the place in St. Louis (I think it's there) where you try to eat a ginormous pizza within an hour to win $500? I saw it on the Travel Channel or Food Network once. I've been trying to find the name of the place and some details about it for a while. Any help would be great.
Thanks
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2007/04/11 22:47:50 (permalink)
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Has anyone ever heard of the place in St. Louis (I think it's there) where you try to eat a ginormous pizza within an hour to win $500? I saw it on the Travel Channel or Food Network once. I've been trying to find the name of the place and some details about it for a while. Any help would be great.
Thanks

The restaurant is called Pointer's on Big Bend Boulevard at Clayton Road kind of located mid-County.
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RE: Pizza in St. Louis 2007/05/03 21:55:13 (permalink)
I just visited St. Louis in April 2007 and reconnected with a St. Louis pizza I really like. The restaurant is Ponticello's in North County--on Bellefontaine Road.
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