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Trishkaidekaphobia

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RE: Polish food Mon, 03/26/07 10:43 AM (permalink)
My two cents (Canadian $):

Zimne nogi (or nazimnina) is probably best made with calve's foot or lower veal shank and pigs feet rather than beef. The idea is to cook it long enough to render the gelatin out of the foot bones so that when you shred the meat and add the veggies it's kind of like an aspic. (And if you have objection to eating veal, what the heck are you doing with pig's feet?!)

This is a subtly flavoured dish, normally eaten as an appetizer, so one whole clove of garlic during cooking a big batch (which you remove before setting) carrots, onions, celery are pretty traditional seasoning. Don't forget whole peppercorns.

A refrigerator is a must in this day and age. Maybe Babcia didn't use one but that's because she didn't have one. (Mine was lucky to have a pump right by the house so she didn't have to walk far for water).

The Russians also make this dish and call it khlodetz. I know the English (Northern England) make calves food jelly, but it's a tad different, like most good Yorkshiremen.
 
    Big Ugly Mich

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    RE: Polish food Mon, 03/26/07 1:21 PM (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by LENUSZHere's something really quick that I really like. Slice up a cucumber and mix it with sour cream. Season it to taste. I'm a salt fan. If you want it middle eastern, then do it with yogurt. If you want it Greek (tsatsiki) then mince the cucumber and mix with yogurt. If you like garlic, you can add that. You can also do the sour cream with lettuce. Na zdrowie!!
    I like that, only chopped up about 1/8 or 1/4 inch dice, with tomatoes (canned if you must, but obviously fresh is far superior), and instead of sour cream or yogurt, about half olive oil and half vinegar (it's gotta have vinegar, but I absolutely despise anything pickled. Go figure) added until it's just moist. I'll use it as a salad or relish on hotdogs or burgers, especially since when tomatoes get just right to test the sharpness of the knives is also the best time to fire up the barbecue and cook burgers and hotdogs. I'll use sour cream or yogurt this summer and see how that works.
     
      LENUSZ

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      RE: Polish food Tue, 03/27/07 11:23 AM (permalink)
      Since we did chicken soup, then let's do kluski. Babcia used to do the dough and roll it out and slice it with a sharp knife. My favorite though is "lane kluski". If directly translating, it comes out poured noodles. Literally, I guess, it would be dumpling noodles. It's sort of like the German spatzle. Anyway, break up and mix up several eggs in a bowl, and then add enough flour, so that when you mix it up, you get a paste that's a little more firm than runny. We used to use a spoon to let it dribble off into either chicken soup or pumpkin soup.

      INCIDENTALLY, WHAT I'M TELLING YOU ABOUT IS SUPPOSED TO TASTE GOOD. IN THE OLD DAYS, WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT "HEALTHY, TASTELESS FOOD". My personal outlook is when you cook something up that you like, you cook it the "real" way, to get the "real" taste, and you don't eat it as often as you did when you were a kid, when you could eat anything, as much as you wanted, and nothing visible would happen to you for quite a few years. Also, when you do this, at this frequency, you don't get obsessed with it and go on ridiculous binges.

      OK. So, you have a chicken. Nadzienie, stuffing, at our house, was pork butt that was ground, with a manual grinder, that's what dziadeks were for, you know, the strong macho man to do the heavy slave labor for babcia. Of course, in those days, they didn't know from nothing about "macho". He did a coarse grind. Then babcia would add bread crumbs. These were made from dried Wonder Bread. You remember Wonder Bread, the white balloon bread that had absolutely no taste, but was used by EVERYBODY that was WASP for sandwiches? She'd also add some eggs and salt and pepper, a pinch of this and a pinch of that, and then let me mix it all up with my hands, I learned early-on how to wash my hands, and it was training for being a strong macho man, when I was old enough. So she'd stuff the chicken, and the extra, she always made a lot of extra because it tasted so good that everybody would eat more of it than they'd eat of the chicken, she'd wrap in aluminum foil. This and the chicken were put in the roaster, potatoes also, so they'd get the chicken flavor. If you really wanted to cook the chicken fast, you didn't stuff it.

      For salads, my favorite was potato salad. They also used to make coleslaw, which I didn't like because they added green pepper, which when I was a kid, tasted really bitter to me, and ruined the taste of the coleslaw. I really liked the coleslaw when they didn't add the green pepper. They also used to make "garbage salad" with Tillie Lewis diet dressing, which was really, really terrible. So for the potato salad, cook an equal number of potatoes and eggs. From some of the hardboiled eggs, take the yellow, and mash it and mix it with mayonnaise (real mayonnaise, not the sickening sweet stuff they use at places like Arby's). When you cut up the potatoes, make them all the same size chunks. Cut up the eggs, and mix the potatoes, eggs, mayonnaise mix, and dill. It always tastes better if you let it sit for awhile before eating. Same like golabki, they're always better the second day, and on. Or bigosz. Or barszcz.

      I've always loved eggs. My favorite is soft boiled. Take the eggs out of the refrigerator about a couple of hours, at least, before you boil them. Bring the water to a boil FIRST, then gently put the eggs in (if the eggs are too cold, they'll crack and leak at this point), and boil them for no more than 4 minutes. I like this with either pumpernickl or rye with butter. I just got back from Cleveland from the Tamburitza Extravaganza, and the Mariott Hotel Chef couldn't cook soft boiled eggs to save his soul (or maybe the waitress was so slow that the eggs kept cooking and became hard boiled). That is one thing about restaurants. When you tell them how you want YOUR food prepared, the people working there will ignore you and prepare it the way THEY like it. PLEASE PEOPLE, HELP US ALL OUT AND SEND THE FOOD BACK UNTIL THEY DO IT THE WAY YOU ASKED FOR IT. I don't know how many times (I don't like ketchup) when I order a burger without ketchup, it comes to me with ketchup. I ALWAYS send it back and make them do the WHOLE THING all over. Once that burger or bun is PERVERTED with ketchup, you'll taste it unless you get everything new. And then they'll ask me if I want ketchup with my fries, or just give me ketchup with my fries. It's really frustrating. I don't know about your city, but Seattle has the worst restaurant food in the world. About 90% of the restaurants serve "American Food", or the same stuff, only they call it "northwest cuisine". And then a lot of places have fish stuff, they call it seafood. My personal opinion is it's because the population of the Seattle area is heavily Scandinavian/WASP, and they like this boring bland stuff, they've eaten it all their life, and NEVER had any good food. So those of you living in areas with a heavy Slavic and/or Jewish (no, I'm not Jewish, I'm Polish.....LOL) population are really, really lucky. The other way I like eggs is fried softly with browned butter. You know, I've mentioned frying a lot. There was this old Woody Allen comedy movie where he somehow got into the future with his Volkswagen bug, and one of his lines was something like, "and when they discovered that deep fried was good for you". I remember when I was growing up we used to say, sort of joking, that anything that tasted good, and looked good, was bad for you. But then, that was when doctors said smoking was good for you, and "Kilroy was here" was the thing.
       
        LENUSZ

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        RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 8:35 AM (permalink)
        SonnyFunzio, they're called Skwarki, pronounced skvarkee, with a hard r, and are either chopped bacon fried or chopped pork chunks fried, and the melted fat and meat bits are poured over pierogi.
         
          LENUSZ

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          RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 8:46 AM (permalink)
          I just started on page 1 of this forum to see what all of you had written. There was a lot about places to get good Polish food. Don't forget to look up Dom Polski (Polish Home Association). Some of them have regular nights and weekend afternoons when they serve Polish meals. And if they don't, they usually have a bazaar once or twice a year, and several social events, where they serve Polish meals. And at the very least, they can probably direct you to any Polish restaurants/butchers/deli's in the area.
           
            LENUSZ

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            RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 8:59 AM (permalink)
            buffetbuster, chruszciki are dough that is rolled flat, then cut into slices about an inch wide and maybe 10 - 12 inches long, a vertical slit is made in the very center, and one end is pulled through the slit so that you have a "tie". Then you deep fry this, and then put powdered sugar on it. It's a very well known Polish dessert. The Swedes have something similar called "krumkracken" (spelling), but the dough isn't rolled out as thin as chruszciki, and doesn't taste as good because of that.
             
              porkbeaks

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              RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 10:46 AM (permalink)
              quote:
              Originally posted by LENUSZ

              buffetbuster, chruszciki are dough that is rolled flat, then cut into slices about an inch wide and maybe 10 - 12 inches long, a vertical slit is made in the very center, and one end is pulled through the slit so that you have a "tie". Then you deep fry this, and then put powdered sugar on it. It's a very well known Polish dessert. The Swedes have something similar called "krumkracken" (spelling), but the dough isn't rolled out as thin as chruszciki, and doesn't taste as good because of that.


              I've had chruszciki both in Poland and made by Polish friends in this country and, in my opinion, Norwegian Krumkake are thinner and tastier. In fact, one would be hard "pressed" to make something thinner than Krumkake. These shown below have been made on a modern Krumkake press and are not so thin as my Grandmother Olsen's hand rolled offerings. pb






               
                LENUSZ

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                RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 10:46 AM (permalink)
                rockfest, you are probably correct. Polish nobility, you could say with a lot of justification, are not really Polish. And you're right about the snob factor. People at a certain level are so image conscious and so arrogant that you can't really inflict them on any nationality. As far as golabki, pierogi, kiszka (blood sausage), zimne nogi (jellied pig's feet), they probably are "peasant" food. Probably 99% of the population of Poland was peasant. The nobility was so bad that they "elected" the king, the king was not allowed to have his family inherit the royal crown. This was why, the nobility was why, Poland went downhill so badly, so quickly. Poland would have been so much better off without nobles, whether in ruling or eating.
                 
                  flamingo

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                  RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 10:48 AM (permalink)

                  My husband and I were in Poland in November. The food was just as good as my Mother's. Check out the 2 web sites below and don't forget to click under the picture( 4 more photos.It was a vacation to remember.

                  http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/64204/77aeb/2/
                  http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/64204/727f0/2/
                   
                    LENUSZ

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                    RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 10:55 AM (permalink)
                    porkbreaks, I live in Seattle, which has a very large Scandinavian population. The krumkraken here are not usually rolled into the cone shape like your picture, they are left in the star shape like your waffle iron and sprinkled with powdered sugar. I've had a lot of krumkraken and a lot of chruszciki, and it is true that the thickness of each depends on the person making them. What I'm talking about it the "general" or "majority" of each type that I've been tasting over the years.
                     
                      Polish guy

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                      RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 11:39 AM (permalink)
                      Lenusz,

                      I also have had both, but love the chruszciki better. But this could be only my taste.

                      Mike
                       
                        wanderingjew

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                        RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 12:39 PM (permalink)
                        quote:
                        Originally posted by LENUSZ

                        porkbreaks, I live in Seattle, which has a very large Scandinavian population.


                        That's an understatement. When I lived in Seattle, everything was Norwegian this and Danish that. Coming from the east coast where there was much more diversity (well- Jewish and Italian where I grew up on Long Island) we always used to ask eachother what our heritage was. When I moved to Seattle I never thought twice about doing the same and everyone looked at me as if I had 3 heads for asking such a question.........


                        Ah yes....Seattle.....The Land of Opposites!
                         
                          Sonny Funzio

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                          RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 1:39 PM (permalink)
                          quote:
                          Originally posted by flamingo


                          My husband and I were in Poland in November. The food was just as good as my Mother's. Check out the 2 web sites below and don't forget to click under the picture( 4 more photos.It was a vacation to remember.

                          http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/64204/77aeb/2/
                          http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/64204/727f0/2/


                          Great photos, Mary! Thanx for posting the link.
                          My significant-other has traveled to Poland 3 times in the past 5 years and very much enjoyed Krakow ... she'll enjoy your pics.
                          Your food photos look wonderful ... reminds me it's time to visit the Polish Village Cafe in Hamtramck (in the region where I live).

                          And by the way ... welcome to the Roadfood Forums!!!


                           
                            mayor al

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                            RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 1:52 PM (permalink)

                            If the discussion on this topic stays on Polish Food, it will remain open. If it wanders off topic...even a small amount, it will be moved to the off-topic forum. Continued bumping of the topic with meaningless posts will result in locking the thread.
                             
                              mayor al

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                              RE: Polish food Thu, 03/29/07 5:57 PM (permalink)
                              This thread was relocated. Posts not directly involved with Polish food will cause the thread to be deleted .


                              3/30/07 8:12PM- Strange isn't it that no additional posts were added here after the thread was moved and the 'nonsense' bump posts were stopped.
                               
                                Polish guy

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                                RE: Polish food Sat, 03/31/07 11:31 AM (permalink)
                                To all,

                                We are here, so don't stop your input.
                                What special meals did Mom and Grandmother make for a Polish Easter? Along with Duck's Blood soup. Ask the Mayor nice if we can move back where all can find us, and read this each day.


                                Mike
                                 
                                  mayor al

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                                  RE: Polish food Sat, 03/31/07 11:48 AM (permalink)

                                  The thread will remain on this forum. If you post comments relevant to the topic they will remain. All others will be deleted. If we have additional problems with posting on this thread the thread will be deleted.
                                   
                                    Trishkaidekaphobia

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                                    RE: Polish food Sat, 03/31/07 2:20 PM (permalink)
                                    quote:
                                    Originally posted by Al-The Mayor-Bowen

                                    This thread was relocated. Posts not directly involved with Polish food will cause the thread to be deleted .


                                    3/30/07 8:12PM- Strange isn't it that no additional posts were added here after the thread was moved and the 'nonsense' bump posts were stopped.


                                    That's only because we COULDN'T FIND IT, Al baby! Now that we know where to find our favourite thread, we'll be back! Bwaaaahaaahaaahaahaa! (Oops, was that my outside voice?)

                                    Back to food: What are you serving for Easter? Polish tradition means a HUGE (not just Donald Trump 'uge) but truly enormous breakfast to break the fast of Lent. You you eat after coming home from Church. One good thing, traditionall, Easter Sunday is a "rest" for the cook. It's all been made in the last couple of days. Mom might make a soup later in the day for supper - botwinka (beet greens) or schav (sorrel), but that's it.

                                    Breakfast begins with a hard boiled egg that has been blessed the previous day, along with horseradish (also blessed). Other "must haves" are (this is only a partial list, trust me):

                                    ham (a whole or half), Polish sausage (at least one type), a paté, cold roast pork loan, another cold meat that you can slice (even cold meatloaf), cold roast duck stuffed with a force-meat stuffing, hard boiled eggs, salads of every type - potato salad etc, marinated vegetables like mushrooms, beets, pickles, horseradish - both with grated beets (cwikla) and plain, cheeses, any marinated fish left over from Friday etc. Desserts include yeast babka, chrusciki, several different types of cake etc.

                                    As indicated above, this is just a partial list. I thought that my mother put out a big spread, but the two Easters that I have spent in Poland opened my eyes to what "breaking the fast" really meant.

                                    So what are you having next Sunday?
                                     
                                      Polish guy

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                                      RE: Polish food Sat, 03/31/07 5:28 PM (permalink)
                                      Trish,

                                      The all family, but my son, who lives a long way away, in Florida, well be over. We will have Colored eggs, Ham, Lamb, and several other things, I am sure.

                                      Mike
                                       
                                        LENUSZ

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                                        RE: Polish food Sun, 04/1/07 1:39 PM (permalink)
                                        Here's a quickie version of Bigos^ (not a true Bigos^, but really good tasting). In a slow-cooker, layer sauerkraut, parboiled potatoes, previously cooked pork steaks, cabbage, potatoes, pork steaks, sauerkraut, etc. for as much space as you have in the slow cooker. You could also do this in a roaster, but then you'd have to watch it. Obviously you'll do this on low heat for a long time. If you can have patience, it's better the 2nd day, etc.
                                         
                                          C Turner Joy

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                                          RE: Polish food Sun, 04/1/07 3:49 PM (permalink)
                                          I was poking around the internets for recipes. I found this and thought I'd share.

                                          SWEET & TANGY KIELBASA

                                          2 rings of kielbasa
                                          1 jar of grape jelly
                                          1 bottle of any ketchup

                                          Mix grape jelly with ketchup in crockpot. Slice the kielbasa about a fourth of an inch thick and place it into crockpot. Then mix all ingredients together.
                                          Cook on low for about 5 hours.

                                          http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1712,135179-248198,00.html


                                           
                                            RibRater

                                            RE: Polish food Sun, 04/1/07 4:16 PM (permalink)
                                            quote:
                                            Originally posted by C Turner Joy

                                            I was poking around the internets for recipes. I found this and thought I'd share.

                                            SWEET & TANGY KIELBASA

                                            2 rings of kielbasa
                                            1 jar of grape jelly
                                            1 bottle of any ketchup

                                            Mix grape jelly with ketchup in crockpot. Slice the kielbasa about a fourth of an inch thick and place it into crockpot. Then mix all ingredients together.
                                            Cook on low for about 5 hours.

                                            http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1712,135179-248198,00.html






                                            Looks Polish to me. At least I would eat that.

                                            There are some "recipes" posted in this thread that I wouldn't eat with your mouth.





                                             
                                              LENUSZ

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                                              RE: Polish food Tue, 04/3/07 7:16 AM (permalink)
                                              Be careful when you read "Polish" recipes from people who are NOT Polish. It comes in the category of suing the commercial makers of "Kielbasa" for libel and slander, for fraud. And even for "Polish" cookbooks, that are put out by Dom Polski or the local Polish parish ladies auxiliary, be practical. To put out that book and being able to justify charging you $15, they need around 125 pages, 6" by 4", to do it. So the 40 or so, real Polish recipes are going to be enhanced by another 100 recipes that are no more Polish than any of the Italian Popes. Just telling how to roast a lamb, and then giving it a Polish name, doesn't make it a Polish recipe.
                                               
                                                Jimeats

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                                                RE: Polish food Tue, 04/3/07 10:15 AM (permalink)
                                                You can't be serious? Just what is a real recipe.
                                                It is my understanding that many recipes have evolved with what might be available to immirgrants when they come to a new country. Some of those Polish women that have taken the time to compose those fund raiser cook books would have a real and justified issue with this.
                                                 
                                                  Polish guy

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                                                  RE: Polish food Mon, 04/9/07 11:59 AM (permalink)
                                                  All,

                                                  You win, now most of the past 20,000 plus readers can't find this, since you did not tell them where you put it. I am sorry, you don't like Polish foods, or Polish people, or just me. But I know that I got you one of the largest number readers. Tell me if it is just me. And you are a Hoosier also.

                                                  Mike
                                                   
                                                    Jimeats

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                                                    RE: Polish food Mon, 04/9/07 12:20 PM (permalink)
                                                    Aww, Don't be so humble Polish Guy.
                                                    The reason there is 20,000 posts to this thread is we all sit here with baited breath wating for your insightfull and very informative comments about this mouth watering cusine.
                                                    It's just like watching a train wreck, you can't turn away.
                                                     
                                                      CajunKing

                                                      RE: Polish food Mon, 04/9/07 12:52 PM (permalink)
                                                      Ok I will bite, what does a Hoosier have to do with anything??

                                                      People will still find this thread, Like Jim said it is like a train wreck, you can't help but be drawn back in to it!

                                                       
                                                        mayor al

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                                                        RE: Polish food Mon, 04/9/07 1:02 PM (permalink)

                                                        Polish Guy.
                                                        You were warned many times to limit your posting to polish food related items. You did not do that. Even after the thread was moved you continued to post meaningless comments that had nothing to do with the topic. Your last post above (and it will be your last post) is an example. Instead of coming back with a recipe or review you make rude comments about the membership here.

                                                        BTW your numbers are invalid. When I started to clean out the off topic posts I got thru about 3 pages and had deleted over 30 posts. That averages about 10 deletions per pages...not counting the ones that were taken out before the 'clean-up was started. You talk about 20,000 readers, but how many of those 'readings' were done by you clicking onto the thread time after time to bump it to the top if the list countless times. If you count the actual number of recipe contributors on the thread you will find that there are just a few who actually added to the topic. There were several who continued to remind you that your comments were off-topic and meaningless.

                                                        We have now reached the end of the road. You are no longer elgible to post here. and the thread is history.
                                                         
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