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doggydaddy

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Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Mon, 10/1/07 2:00 PM (permalink)

This story slays me. I always wondered why there was a low Latino presence in NOLA. This is a case of immigrants doing a dirty job but adapting and helping when and where no-one else would do it.
I am sure some of the fledgling cart owners who are here can also relate to this story.
You have to sit through a commercial prior to the story. Not sure what they are selling, but I want it....

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/10/01/roesgen.uncovering.america.cnn

mark
 
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    dreamzpainter

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    RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Wed, 10/3/07 6:17 PM (permalink)
    interesting story and unfortunately all to true of course not all the trucks would be as nice as the one shown, that guy really seems to have it together. He should rent the building, open the restrooms and park the truck inside! put out some tables and chairs under the awning and thumb his nose at the council!
     
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      UncleVic

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      RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Wed, 10/3/07 8:27 PM (permalink)
      I feel for the truck owners.. Trying to make a living and then this..

      Dreamz.. I love the idea of sticking the truck in a building, but then it would be a fire hazard until he removed the gas tanks, engine, generators, transmission and probably even the brake fluid.. I can see it now..

      http://tacohunt.blogspot.com/
       
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        DandyDog

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        RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Wed, 10/3/07 9:35 PM (permalink)
        quote:
        Originally posted by doggydaddy


        This story slays me. I always wondered why there was a low Latino presence in NOLA. This is a case of immigrants doing a dirty job but adapting and helping when and where no-one else would do it.
        I am sure some of the fledgling cart owners who are here can also relate to this story.
        You have to sit through a commercial prior to the story. Not sure what they are selling, but I want it....

        http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/10/01/roesgen.uncovering.america.cnn

        mark


        It's a shame that the working class can't make a buck. What about finding a need and filling it? It seems that more and more you're hearing stories of vendors being driven out by laws and bi-laws. Look at Dr. of BBQ....now he has to landscape!!!! When does the bleeding stop? The Taco vendor in the CNN video is on private property and by the looks of his set up, he's got his legal ducks in a row but yet they want him to leave. His truck is an operation to the max not some flimsy tent with a propane burner and the locals like it.
        And Doggydaddy you're right, they are (immigrants) doing a dirty job that nobody else would do. I live in FL and see many working the fields with their backs hunched over picking strawberries etc. hour after hour in the blazing sun. My back hurts just looking at them.
         
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          texgrill

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          RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Thu, 10/4/07 7:00 PM (permalink)
          The government is just forcing the vendors to open a brick and mortar type eatery.


          Aside from the setup and about the food. I didnt realize that two tortillas are used with each taco. I guess the corn ones are thin and require two.

          Ronnie
           
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            UncleVic

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            RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Thu, 10/4/07 7:26 PM (permalink)
            quote:
            Originally posted by texgrill

            The government is just forcing the vendors to open a brick and mortar type eatery.


            Aside from the setup and about the food. I didnt realize that two tortillas are used with each taco. I guess the corn ones are thin and require two.

            Ronnie

            2nd tortilla is a gift for the fallout from the first is what I always figured... Get a 2nd mini taco free!
             
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              SimonD

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              RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Sun, 10/7/07 2:29 PM (permalink)
              Want to see a city overrun with mobile taqerias, visit Nashville sometime. There's about one per block down some streets.

              And yes, all the authentic taquerias I've ever been to serve tacos on two tortillas. Must be the norm.
               
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                prisonchef

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                RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Sun, 10/7/07 3:51 PM (permalink)
                at the risk of being argumentitive here is my take as a mobile operator. it is NOT the government that is blocking the trucks rather it is the brick and mortar places funding the politicos to stop competition of their businesses. for some interesting reading just visit the national restaurants associations website. read their articles on the problems of enforcing current immigration laws. it sure does not take a PHD in political science to read between those lines from my point of view. that guys is where the problem is coming from--not the government but brick and mortar places--giving funds to get the vote "their way" and to heck with the americans!!!!!
                i live in florida like one writer and i assure you that i do not feel sorry for the strawberry pickers or any other "undocumented worker".
                sorry but my grandfather waited two years to get to this country from germany under the old quota system. he had to have the proper skill required,had to have a job,that employer had to verify that no american workers were available and further that no american jobs would be displaced!!!!!! so up the illegals!!!!!
                feel better now
                 
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                  DandyDog

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                  RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Mon, 10/8/07 2:59 PM (permalink)
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by prisonchef

                  at the risk of being argumentitive here is my take as a mobile operator. it is NOT the government that is blocking the trucks rather it is the brick and mortar places funding the politicos to stop competition of their businesses. for some interesting reading just visit the national restaurants associations website. read their articles on the problems of enforcing current immigration laws. it sure does not take a PHD in political science to read between those lines from my point of view. that guys is where the problem is coming from--not the government but brick and mortar places--giving funds to get the vote "their way" and to heck with the americans!!!!!
                  i live in florida like one writer and i assure you that i do not feel sorry for the strawberry pickers or any other "undocumented worker".
                  sorry but my grandfather waited two years to get to this country from germany under the old quota system. he had to have the proper skill required,had to have a job,that employer had to verify that no american workers were available and further that no american jobs would be displaced!!!!!! so up the illegals!!!!!
                  feel better now


                  Prisonchef, I'm glad that you're feeling better now. However, you shouldn't paint ALL immigrants with the same illegal brush. You or I don't know who's legal and who's not. Just because they're in the fields working doesn't make them illegal. At least they're working. I see alot of natural born Americans sponging off of the government. Like yourself, all of my grandparents came over on the boat and had to have all of their paperwork in order.
                  And as for the brick and mortar places funding the politicos, you're probably right but it still comes down to the government issuing the rules and regulations.
                   
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                    prisonchef

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                    RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Mon, 10/8/07 5:00 PM (permalink)
                    never said that i was a "politically correct" person. a little research into nola will show that with one half the pre-katrina population the number of concealed permits issued last year have doubled. just a guess but with the invasion of ms13 into that area perhaps those permits are needed. all of this has been shown on network news on many occasions. but then again i may be wrong ms13 may in fact have papers or a "dry foot law" similar to what was forced on florida may in fact be correct. the point is and will continue to be that the brick and mortars are no friends of the mobile operators.
                     
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                      Hillbilly

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                      RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Tue, 10/9/07 11:47 AM (permalink)
                      quote:
                      Originally posted by prisonchef

                      the point is and will continue to be that the brick and mortars are no friends of the mobile operators.

                      And I hope that neither the brick and mortars nor government become friends of the mobile operators in New Orleans.

                      The great restaurants in New Orleans have been the city's main attraction for many years, and opening up the city to a swarm of mobile eateries would make it impossible for many of the old brick and mortars to stay open. The NO culinary industry is barely hanging on by a thread as it is, and additional competition from low capital operations could finish many of them off. It may be selfish, but I want them to stay open so I can continue to enjoy their fare when I'm in town.

                      And it is fiction to say that the "immigrants" are doing jobs that no one else would do. Fact is that the people displaced from New Orleans were never given the opportunity to do these jobs. The rip off contractors simply set up their Mexico to New Orleans underground railroad to bring in cheap labor rather than hire locals to help rebuild the total social fabric of the area, not just the buildings. Several contractors were discovered to be dropping off their "immigrant" day laborers to spend their non-working hours at the relief centers set up to provide food and lodging for Katrina victims.

                      I picked up a t-shirt on my most recent visit to New Orleans last month that tells the story in a nutshell:

                      "GOVERNMENT PLAN FOR REBUILDING NEW ORLEANS

                      F ind
                      E very
                      M exican
                      A vailable"


                       
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                        HollyDolly

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                        RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Wed, 10/10/07 9:39 AM (permalink)
                        Of course the contractors set up their Little Mexico.They figure these illegals work cheap,they don't have to pay benefits,and can cheat them out of money and pay low wages.
                        Locals in NEw Orleans,especially black ones might go to NAACP or some government agency if the contractor cheated them on wages etc. and might claim racial discrimination.
                        Illegals they figure won't do that because they fear the INS will do a round-up of the workers.
                        Yeah the cheap john contractors were dumping their workers at the relief centers precisely so they wouldn't have to feed or house them.
                        Not all mexicans that work the fields are illegals.Some have been in America for years,born and raised here like in Texas, but do it in the summers for extra money,don't know how many white and black migrant workers are around anymore.The children's book,Judy's Journey
                        by Lois Lenski is about a white girl whose family were sharecroppers.They get kicked out,and wind up following the crops and picking them to survive.The little family goes back to Florida and finaly is able to buy a little farm of their own. Lenski wrote many books like To Be A Logger,San Francisco Boy,about a chinese boy and his family,Cotton In My Sack,etc.Momma Hattie's Girl is about a black girl in the south who lives with her grandma.She joins her parents up north,but they later decide to return home to the south.
                        She visited various places in the country and interviewed children and their families.These incidents she reworked into her books.She was my favorite author as a kid.I think some of her books could be made into movies for kids.They were written mainly in the 1940s to about the 1960s.
                        Prisonchef,where in Germany did your grandfather come from?
                        My great grandparents came from Bavaria to America in 1882.
                        At that time there was no Ellis Island.All I was told by my dad was,they had a first class passage,got off at New York harbour,and that Tanta Tina great grandpa's sister and her husband,Fred Koehler
                        were their sponsors in America.I don't know what he did when they first came here,because they later moved to Westbury,L.I. where he opened up a store.
                        That's like great Grandpa Steldt in Milwaukee.They didn't arrive in New York,came in some other place. But they went to Milwaukee where he had a contracting business,which relatives still run.
                        Oh course the Brick and Motars are no friends of these people.everyone is still trying to rebuild NO and other places.Gradually the tourists may come more and more,and things might turn around for them.
                        But too these carts need to be inspected for health reasons so people don't get sick,just like they inspect regular places.
                         
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                          Baah Ben

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                          RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Thu, 10/11/07 8:14 PM (permalink)
                          Well, here we go....I've noticed that so much of this site is inappropriately named in my opinion. Is this really a "Restaurant Professionals' Forum?" It doesn't seem to be. No, what it seems to be is a site devoted to those individuals selling food, especially hot dogs, from mobile carts, trucks, vans etc.

                          So many of the questions posed seem to be so basic that you have to wonder why the site is being called "Restaurant Professional Forum?" Questions on such basics as what type of equipment to use? How to cook french fries? How to find a good location?

                          I really think the name of this site needs to changed. To what, I have no idea. Maybe, "Basic Information on entering the F&B field?" "Mobile Cart Forum? Sorry folkes, but this is definitely not a resource for those "in the business" looking for advanced industry information, contacts, gaining answers to day to day operations predicaments, etc.

                          And that brings me to my second comment...regarding "Street Vendors" after viewing that taco video. In Pittsburgh (name any big city for that matter) there is an area of the town called The Strip District. It's a 10 block long span of food related stores. But, intermixed with these stores on the sidewalks are street vendors selling all sorts of food items from carts.

                          These street vendors pay no rent..They pay no insurance..They pay no city taxes...they pay no workman's compensation, they pay no refuse collection fees, etc, etc. etc. Yet, they feel perfectly justified in setting up on the sidewalks literally in front of restaurant owners' (RESTAURANT PROFESSIONALS) businesses that do have all these financial obligations. And, the City of Pittsburgh has allowed this. They cite "flavor" and "character" as some of the reasons for allowing this.

                          Do you feel street vendors should be allowed to ply their trade in front of established businesses? I'm sure those of you, who operate carts, will say yes!! Sadly, and back to my point on this site, I doubt there are enough real restaurant owners here to respond who can offer the opposing view...Like I said, I feel this site is totally misnamed.

                          Not interesting in fighting with you "cart" people. Everyone has to have a chance to make a living, but at whose expense? I blame the municipalities for not protecting these established businesses that help support their city. They simply should not allow street vendors to compete in areas where these businesses are trying to operate. I feel it is totally unfair.
                           
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                            Hillbilly

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                            RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Thu, 10/11/07 9:10 PM (permalink)
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by Baah Ben

                            Well, here we go....I've noticed that so much of this site is inappropriately named in my opinion. Is this really a "Restaurant Professionals' Forum?" It doesn't seem to be. No, what it seems to be is a site devoted to those individuals selling food, especially hot dogs, from mobile carts, trucks, vans etc.

                            So many of the questions posed seem to be so basic that you have to wonder why the site is being called "Restaurant Professional Forum?" Questions on such basics as what type of equipment to use? How to cook french fries? How to find a good location?

                            I really think the name of this site needs to changed. To what, I have no idea. Maybe, "Basic Information on entering the F&B field?" "Mobile Cart Forum? Sorry folkes, but this is definitely not a resource for those "in the business" looking for advanced industry information, contacts, gaining answers to day to day operations predicaments, etc.

                            And that brings me to my second comment...regarding "Street Vendors" after viewing that taco video. In Pittsburgh (name any big city for that matter) there is an area of the town called The Strip District. It's a 10 block long span of food related stores. But, intermixed with these stores on the sidewalks are street vendors selling all sorts of food items from carts.

                            These street vendors pay no rent..They pay no insurance..They pay no city taxes...they pay no workman's compensation, they pay no refuse collection fees, etc, etc. etc. Yet, they feel perfectly justified in setting up on the sidewalks literally in front of restaurant owners' (RESTAURANT PROFESSIONALS) businesses that do have all these financial obligations. And, the City of Pittsburgh has allowed this. They cite "flavor" and "character" as some of the reasons for allowing this.

                            Do you feel street vendors should be allowed to ply their trade in front of established businesses? I'm sure those of you, who operate carts, will say yes!! Sadly, and back to my point on this site, I doubt there are enough real restaurant owners here to respond who can offer the opposing view...Like I said, I feel this site is totally misnamed.

                            Not interesting in fighting with you "cart" people. Everyone has to have a chance to make a living, but at whose expense? I blame the municipalities for not protecting these established businesses that help support their city. They simply should not allow street vendors to compete in areas where these businesses are trying to operate. I feel it is totally unfair.


                            Well said! The only time I will buy food from a cart or tent is at festivals or other events where sampling food is one of the reasons for the event. Well--I did buy hotdogs from Danny Meyer's cart in Madison Square Park in New York many times when I was on a project near there a couple of years back (the proceeds were being used to restore and maintain the park). He has now replaced the cart with the Shake Shack at the same location.

                            In my book, a cart is not a Roadfood establishment.
                             
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                              chicagostyledog

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                              RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Thu, 10/11/07 10:28 PM (permalink)
                              quote:
                              Originally posted by Baah Ben

                              I've noticed that so much of this site is inappropriately named in my opinion. Is this really a "Restaurant Professionals' Forum?" It doesn't seem to be. No, what it seems to be is a site devoted to those individuals selling food, especially hot dogs, from mobile carts, trucks, vans etc.

                              So many of the questions posed seem to be so basic that you have to wonder why the site is being called "Restaurant Professional Forum?" Questions on such basics as what type of equipment to use? How to cook french fries? How to find a good location?

                              Sorry folks, but this is definitely not a resource for those "in the business" looking for advanced industry information, contacts, gaining answers to day to day operations predicaments, etc.


                              If I were seeking a resource of those in the business looking for advanced industry information, I'd look else where. The restaurant owners I know, only have time for their business and family.

                              CSD
                               
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                                doggydaddy

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                                RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Thu, 10/11/07 10:38 PM (permalink)

                                ====The great restaurants in New Orleans have been the city's main attraction for many years, and opening up the city to a swarm of mobile eateries would make it impossible for many of the old brick and mortars to stay open. The NO culinary industry is barely hanging on by a thread as it is, and additional competition from low capital operations could finish many of them off. It may be selfish, but I want them to stay open so I can continue to enjoy their fare when I'm in town===

                                Nobody ever goes to NOLA and would be disuaded from eating at the brick and mortar due to carts or trucks. These guys are filling a niche, feeding food at a reasonable price to the low paid workers and struggling residents.
                                If I was still a local, I would check them out myself. I don't remember any Mexican restaurants when I was there.

                                ====In my book, a cart is not a Roadfood establishment....===

                                Here are some that operate in CT. I cannot find Chez Leonard, in Ridgefield. It's a little cart that sells 'Haute Dogs'. I thought that it used to be listed.

                                http://www.roadfood.com/Reviews/Overview.aspx?RefID=4992

                                http://www.roadfood.com/Reviews/Overview.aspx?RefID=2214

                                http://www.roadfood.com/Reviews/Overview.aspx?RefID=4007

                                http://www.roadfood.com/Reviews/Overview.aspx?RefID=3274

                                The real truth is that New Orleans has always been a city with much cultural change since it began.
                                It has had many influences, here is a new one to mix with all the rest.

                                mark
                                 
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                                  chicagostyledog

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                                  RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Fri, 10/12/07 8:02 AM (permalink)
                                  quote:
                                  Originally posted by Hillbilly

                                  In my book, a cart is not a Roadfood establishment.


                                  This was how many immigrants were fed and employed when they entered the United States at the turn of the 20th century. My grandfather was a rag peddler with a horse drawn cart. My uncle was a deli man after working a cart on Maxwell Street. Carts were the road food on the streets of New York and in Chicago (Maxwell Street) and remain in NYC. Gotta go. I'm training six students for the October Hot Dog University program this week end.

                                  CSD
                                   
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                                    doggydaddy

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                                    RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Fri, 10/12/07 8:51 AM (permalink)
                                    quote:
                                    Originally posted by chicagostyledog

                                    quote:
                                    Originally posted by Hillbilly

                                    In my book, a cart is not a Roadfood establishment.


                                    This was how many immigrants were fed and employed when they entered the United States at the turn of the 20th century. My grandfather was a rag peddler with a horse drawn cart. My uncle was a deli man after working a cart on Maxwell Street. Carts were the road food on the streets of New York and in Chicago (Maxwell Street) and remain in NYC. Gotta go. I'm training six students for the October Hot Dog University program this week end.

                                    CSD


                                    Great point. I wonder how many other Roadfood rated places started that way? The first thing that came to my mind is Pepe's Pizza in New Haven.

                                    ====Of course the contractors set up their Little Mexico.They figure these illegals work cheap,they don't have to pay benefits,and can cheat them out of money and pay low wages===

                                    Prior to Katrina, this was the status quo for the local black residents. This is why I mentioned in my very first sentence in my first post that there was a low Latino presence in that city. They could not compete with locals. Cultural and racial differences probably was a factor too.
                                    For those who claim that the Latinos are undercutting the locals by working cheap, with no insurance or benefits. No sorry, that was the way it was for the blacks before the storm.
                                    While many of the displaced residents want to come back, there are just as many who have moved on and found better jobs, living conditions and other reasons not to come back. The Latinos are filling that opening.

                                    mark
                                     
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                                      MilwFoodlovers

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                                      RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Fri, 10/12/07 9:26 AM (permalink)
                                      Just got back from NOLA. Our maids all spoke Spanish. Our first cabby was from Ethiopia; I was hoping for an invitation to her home The cabbies in front of Mother's and Harrah's all were speaking some African language. Mexican might be the last food (or pizza, burgers, etc.) I'd try in NOLA, but natives aren't going to eat what tourist dine on. Folks I talked to were split on the influx of Mexicans, some resented them, others were happy to have workers that could get the town working again.
                                       
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                                        wanderingjew

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                                        RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Fri, 10/12/07 9:33 AM (permalink)
                                        quote:
                                        Originally posted by Baah Ben

                                        In Pittsburgh (name any big city for that matter) this.


                                        Pittsburgh a big city???

                                        The local's will whack you over the head with a "Terrible Towel" if you refer to Pittsburgh as a "city". It's just a "BIG TOWN" as far as their concerned.


                                        Sorry, to hijack, I just thought that was funny that someone would refer to Pittsburgh as a "big city"
                                         
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                                          SimonD

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                                          RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Fri, 10/12/07 11:55 AM (permalink)
                                          quote:
                                          Originally posted by Baah Ben


                                          I really think the name of this site needs to changed. To what, I have no idea. Maybe, "Basic Information on entering the F&B field?" "Mobile Cart Forum? Sorry folkes, but this is definitely not a resource for those "in the business" looking for advanced industry information, contacts, gaining answers to day to day operations predicaments, etc.



                                          Maybe you should find another forum instead of trying to change this one. If you don't like it - leave! Simple as that.

                                          This is a roadfood forum, so it caters to ROADFOOD vendors -hotdogs, pizza, BBQ, mom and pop places serving comfort food, etc. It is also a FREE forum. As the old saying goes,"You get what you pay for." As with any public forum, some of the advice on here isn't worth the time it took to type it. But then again, some of it is golden.

                                          There are several pay sites around that may have the more in-depth info you seek. Go Subscribe to one.
                                           
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                                            divefl

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                                            RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Fri, 10/12/07 12:05 PM (permalink)
                                            "There are several pay sites around that may have the more in-depth info you seek. Go Subscribe to one."

                                            Bah!! Darn my cheapness! Looks like I am stuck with you guys.
                                             
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                                              SimonD

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                                              RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Fri, 10/12/07 12:17 PM (permalink)
                                              quote:
                                              Originally posted by Baah Ben

                                              And that brings me to my second comment...regarding "Street Vendors" after viewing that taco video. In Pittsburgh (name any big city for that matter) there is an area of the town called The Strip District. It's a 10 block long span of food related stores. But, intermixed with these stores on the sidewalks are street vendors selling all sorts of food items from carts.

                                              These street vendors pay no rent..They pay no insurance..They pay no city taxes...they pay no workman's compensation, they pay no refuse collection fees, etc, etc. etc. Yet, they feel perfectly justified in setting up on the sidewalks literally in front of restaurant owners' (RESTAURANT PROFESSIONALS) businesses that do have all these financial obligations. And, the City of Pittsburgh has allowed this. They cite "flavor" and "character" as some of the reasons for allowing this.

                                              Do you feel street vendors should be allowed to ply their trade in front of established businesses?


                                              Street vendors should have to buy a business/vending license, pay taxes, and be subject to inspection same as any brick and mortar place(In most cities that would be the case. I can't beleive Pittsburgh wouldn't as well). Workman's comp would only apply if the vendor had hired help, which most don't. Since most vendors probably take their trash with them when they leave, refuse collection fees would not really apply.

                                              A brick and mortar place has a much higher overhead, but it also has much greater earning potential. A busy street vendor might gross a grand a day. A good storefront can do 10, maybe 20 times that.

                                              You think the street vendors have an advantage? Sell your restaurant and buy a cart.
                                               
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                                                Dr of BBQ

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                                                RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Fri, 10/12/07 12:34 PM (permalink)
                                                quote:
                                                Originally posted by chicagostyledog
                                                quote:
                                                Originally posted by Hillbilly
                                                In my book, a cart is not a Roadfood establishment.


                                                This was how many immigrants were fed and employed when they entered the United States at the turn of the 20th century. My grandfather was a rag peddler with a horse drawn cart. My uncle was a deli man after working a cart on Maxwell Street. Carts were the road food on the streets of New York and in Chicago (Maxwell Street) and remain in NYC. CSD



                                                CD,
                                                I couldn’t agree more. You’re right on the money. Roadfood is about unique good food served in any form. It shouldn’t matter whether from a cart, brick and mortar joint, church bizarre, VFW post, any where any time, good unique foods are served that’s Roadfood in my book. And I have to say street vendors, are as you pointed out as old as the country and should be treated as an American tradition. As long as street vendors are inspected and held to the same food and safety standards as any restaurant, pay their taxes, and don’t cause some sort of safety issue (traffic) they should be treated with the same respect and dignity as any other small business. I love Roadfood and I always try and treat anyone that comes to my stand from Roadfood very special because it is the people of Roadfood that makes the site work so very well.
                                                Jack@drofBBQ.com
                                                 
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                                                  divefl

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                                                  RE: Problems for taco trucks in NOLA Fri, 10/12/07 1:17 PM (permalink)
                                                  Best parties I ever got were out of a cart in Orlando. Muffins the size of my head and arm sized eclairs with real custard. Best pulled pork sammich also from a cart in the upper keys. Of course, the problem with carts is that they are transitory. Regs changed in orlando, BBQ either moved or went to catering. We used to pick up roaster pans full of the stuff for parties before they moved. Hot dogs carts in dc do not leave me with such good memories.

                                                  Anyway carts can absolutely be roadfood. And a lot of the great places are 'get it while you can' because you never know when a place will sell or someone will retire and leave you with a second rate cook and memories.
                                                   
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