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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/15 13:11:36 (permalink)
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I live close, and been to Rutt's once. Once was enough.

Mr. Stern remarked that "Outside Rutt's, you will meet some of the fattest pigeons and most well-fed gulls anywhere. They cruise the parking lot looking for scraps."

Hmmm...those fat birds are finding plenty for a reason. Many curious people do not make it through the parking lot.


why don't the get through it? Who are these curious people?
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/15 13:22:21 (permalink)
They toss their "delicious" rippers, to the birds.

Curious people?

People who go there for the "legend" and "experience"

Plenty of curious folks, about the relish.

http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26663&SearchTerms=rutts,hut

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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/15 14:18:34 (permalink)
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Skyline, a chain out of Cincinnati, does not serve chili dogs. They serve Coneys, which are small hot dogs topped with a Greek-style meat sauce.
is this just semantics, or do you think there's a meaningful distinction between a hot dog with chili on it vs a hot dog with Skyline chili on it.

If you don't know the difference between chili and what is called Cincinnati chili then I guess there's no meaningful distinction.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/15 15:15:52 (permalink)
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Skyline, a chain out of Cincinnati, does not serve chili dogs. They serve Coneys, which are small hot dogs topped with a Greek-style meat sauce.
is this just semantics, or do you think there's a meaningful distinction between a hot dog with chili on it vs a hot dog with Skyline chili on it.

If you don't know the difference between chili and what is called Cincinnati chili then I guess there's no meaningful distinction.

i can discern the difference. but that doesn't prove that there's a meaningful distinction between a hot dog served with chili on top, and a chili dog.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 00:52:05 (permalink)
This is a coney or Snappy (coonie)aka a white hot.
Made with pork and veal.

Made by Hoffman Sausage Co. in Syracuse NY

http://www.hofmannsausage.com/about/

Why they call a chili dog a coney or coney dog I can't
figure that out.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 01:01:01 (permalink)
There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 02:23:29 (permalink)
Rutt's Sucks! Anyone who deep fries a Hot Dog deserves to be put in Sheriff Joe Arpiao's "Tent City" Jail in Phoenix AZ in the month of July!
The Pink-Clad Prisoners Of Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona-Truth!
Summary of the eRumor
The email describes prison conditions in Arizona's Maricopa tent jail and quotes the sheriff as telling complaining inmates that the soldiers in Iraq are facing similar conditions, living in tents in hot weather, and that they didn't commit any crimes.
The Truth
Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a colorful and controversial character who has instituted severe policies at Phonex's Maricopa County Jail since taking office in 1993.
According to his bio on the Maricopa County website, he enjoys being known as "America's toughest sheriff."
He got nationwide attention when he established the Maricopa County tent city for inmates.
More than 2,000 prisoners live without smoking, coffee, pornographic magazines, movies and unrestricted television in all jails.
The eRumor says the meals cost less than 40 cents but the cost figure is actually less than 20 cents.
Arpaio has also instituted what he calls "Hard Knocks High", the only accredited high school in an American jail.
That, along with an anti-drug program, says Arpaio, has resulted in a high percentage of his inmates leaving jail without their addictions and few of them returning.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 09:47:00 (permalink)
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There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 10:17:50 (permalink)
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You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?


http://www.coneyislandpark.com/plan_history.php

This is interesting, and makes sense to me, I always wondered why these were called Coney's as chili dogs have never been a big think at NY's Coney Island as far as I know.

Oh, and put me down as someone who likes Rutts dogs. Didn't care for the onion rings though.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 10:40:29 (permalink)
Foodbme - Ok..So you've been to Rutt's Hut? Or, are you just stirring it up? I'm not here to defend Rutt's Hut, but I will defend the NJ deep fried hot dog. I makes all the difference where you have them and more importantly, if you like a pork and beef dog vs an all beef hot dog. That is really the key.

I LOVE SHERIFF JOE! We need more Sheriff Joes in this country IMHO! He reminds me of that famous warden in Cool Hand Luke (Paul...RIP) saying "What we have here is a failure to communicate"

Thanks for the history..I think most Americans already know about this true American hero.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 11:04:51 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman
You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?


http://www.coneyislandpark.com/plan_history.php

This is interesting, and makes sense to me, I always wondered why these were called Coney's as chili dogs have never been a big think at NY's Coney Island as far as I know.

Oh, and put me down as someone who likes Rutts dogs. Didn't care for the onion rings though.

As I think I said somewhere in this thread, I've never been to Rutt's Hut, but from the photos and comments I'd sure love to have one or two.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 11:14:15 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

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Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?

I understand the history of the Cincinnati Chili "Coney" is vague. For example, see this account:
http://www.inmamaskitchen.com/FOOD_IS_ART/cliff/chilarttwo.html
Charles Feltman is supposed to have invented the hot dog in 1867 (some accounts say 1874) at Coney Island, Brooklyn. But is there any history of what foods were first introduced at the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati?
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 12:13:46 (permalink)
A topic as controversial as throwing Rutt's Hut under the bus is sufficient for me to pen my first post for Roadfood.

A native New Yorker (Brooklyn) and hot dog aficionado (Nathan's and countless Jewish delis) now living in Westchester, my take on one of New Jersey's hallowed halls of hot dog heritage is based on a single visit. A Rutt's dog is a unique experience, beginning with the prep, naturally the product itself, and finally the location. As such, it is certainly deserves respect as a 'road food' icon. That said, especially for those who are not a fan of deep fried anything, it may not represent the 'perfect' or 'best' hot dog.

Personally, while I place Rutt's very high on my list of favorite hot dog experiences, it is not one of my favorite hot dogs. A very good dog, just not the type of dog that would satisfy a hot dog craving. My take on Walter's, located in Westchester, is very much the same. Great places to enjoy a dog, but not what I would qualify as the 'best' dogs. I prefer a grill to water, fryer or griddle, with greater emphasis on the taste and quality of a natural casing dog as opposed to the topping.

Just in case you're wondering, my personal bests include local favorites Katz's, KaDeWe in Berlin, Germany (perhaps it's my German heritage, but they served one great grilled dog, served plain or with mustard and nestled in a freshly baked, narrow hard bun) and my backyard Weber grill - Boar's Head or Schaller & Weber, well grilled with Polish or German brown mustard and a fresh hard bun, perhaps with sauerkraut and/or sweet onions for change of pace. A pitcher of cold beer and sides of baked beans, cole slaw, German potato salad and Hungarian cucumber salad, and we're all set!


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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 12:24:35 (permalink)
cgpublic - Welcome.

I must say, you picked quite a topic to throw your hat into. But a very well "penned" post it was.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 12:29:46 (permalink)
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Originally posted by David_NYC

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

quote:
Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?

I understand the history of the Cincinnati Chili "Coney" is vague. For example, see this account:
http://www.inmamaskitchen.com/FOOD_IS_ART/cliff/chilarttwo.html
Charles Feltman is supposed to have invented the hot dog in 1867 (some accounts say 1874) at Coney Island, Brooklyn. But is there any history of what foods were first introduced at the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati?

Beats me. There might be. I do know that the history of the hot dog at Coney Island (Brooklyn) includes mustard, relish and sauerkraut,
not chili.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 13:30:32 (permalink)
cgpublic..I think you and John Fox have to "meat"....I'm very impressed. Welcome.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 16:15:00 (permalink)
Hello all ,

I happen to love Rutts Hutt but it is either hated or loved by the Hot Dog Community . We have had the stop on 2 of our 5 Jersey Hot Dog Tours . There is no inbetween here .
Welcome aboard cgpublic

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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 16:18:24 (permalink)
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Originally posted by sonjaab

This is a coney or Snappy (coonie)aka a white hot.
Made with pork and veal.

Made by Hoffman Sausage Co. in Syracuse NY

http://www.hofmannsausage.com/about/

Why they call a chili dog a coney or coney dog I can't
figure that out.


I hate the Hofmann snappy grillers, but their regular German franks are out of this world. I've had the occasion to deep fry them too, and it just ratchets up the goodness! You have to fry them until they split, or else you'll get a jet of super hot juice to the mouth or face with the first bite.
Living in Syracuse, I can get them at just about any store, and, my buddy actually works at Hofmann's making the dogs. I just haven't found a better hot dog anywhere I've gone and had one.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 16:29:07 (permalink)
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Originally posted by SeamusD

quote:
Originally posted by sonjaab

This is a coney or Snappy (coonie)aka a white hot.
Made with pork and veal.

Made by Hoffman Sausage Co. in Syracuse NY

http://www.hofmannsausage.com/about/

Why they call a chili dog a coney or coney dog I can't
figure that out.


I hate the Hofmann snappy grillers, but their regular German franks are out of this world. I've had the occasion to deep fry them too, and it just ratchets up the goodness! You have to fry them until they split, or else you'll get a jet of super hot juice to the mouth or face with the first bite.
Living in Syracuse, I can get them at just about any store, and, my buddy actually works at Hofmann's making the dogs. I just haven't found a better hot dog anywhere I've gone and had one.


I LOVE Hofmann's coneys. Definately my favorite. Hofmann Franks are excellent as well, but when in Syracuse, I prefer Leih and Steigerwald German hot dogs. However, I can't get them here (DC), so a trip to Wegmans means stocking up on Hafmann brand coneys and franks. I also don't care for Pepperidge farms top split buns, so Wegmans brand is my only choice for true new england style rolls.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 19:06:30 (permalink)
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quote:
Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?


I said NOTHING in regard to Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio, not having anything to do with topping a hot dog with Cincinnati-style Chili.

I did say there is an Island in New York. Where it all began for the HOT DOG. The origins of the term/phrase "Coney" ( not the topping) trace back to Coney Island New York. The Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio adopted the "Coney Island" name. Not the style of hot dog topping.

I said "where it all began" not "where it all began, came to fruition, etc."
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 19:39:57 (permalink)
when did skyline start putting their chili, uh, i mean, greek style meat sauce, on hot dogs?
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 20:32:02 (permalink)
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when did skyline start putting their chili, uh, i mean, greek style meat sauce, on hot dogs?


The Skyline Story...

http://www.skylinechili.com/story.php
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 21:19:16 (permalink)
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Originally posted by CCinNJ

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

quote:
Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?


I said NOTHING in regard to Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio, not having anything to do with topping a hot dog with Cincinnati-style Chili.

I did say there is an Island in New York. Where it all began for the HOT DOG. The origins of the term/phrase "Coney" ( not the topping) trace back to Coney Island New York. The Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio adopted the "Coney Island" name. Not the style of hot dog topping.

I said "where it all began" not "where it all began, came to fruition, etc."

You said, "There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history."

Are you now saying that Michigan and Ohio and other places adopted the phrase hot dog after "it ALL Began" on "an island ... in New York?"

Among the stories relating to the name hot dog there is no mention of any such island. The main claim has to do with New York sports-writer/cartoonist Tad Dorgan not knowing how to spell daschund and using the term hot dog instead. There are, of course, other claims, but I've never heard that the rest of America started calling tube steaks hot dogs following the lead of "an island" in New York.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 22:20:53 (permalink)
Hello all ,

A big hello to Sonjaab !!!
How are you doing buddy , we missed you on the Jersey Hot Dog Tour .

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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 22:27:53 (permalink)
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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

quote:
Originally posted by CCinNJ

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

quote:
Originally posted by CCinNJ

There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history.

You mean to say the Coney Island Amusement Park in Cincinnati (dating to the 1800s) had nothing to do with the first hot dogs being topped with Cincinnati-style chili -- actually Greek meat sauce -- being called Coney Islands?


I said NOTHING in regard to Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio, not having anything to do with topping a hot dog with Cincinnati-style Chili.

I did say there is an Island in New York. Where it all began for the HOT DOG. The origins of the term/phrase "Coney" ( not the topping) trace back to Coney Island New York. The Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio adopted the "Coney Island" name. Not the style of hot dog topping.

I said "where it all began" not "where it all began, came to fruition, etc."

You said, "There is an island...in New York. Where it ALL began, for the hot dog. Michigan/Ohio (and other places throughout the country) adopted the phrase, and the rest is history."

Are you now saying that Michigan and Ohio and other places adopted the phrase hot dog after "it ALL Began" on "an island ... in New York?"

Among the stories relating to the name hot dog there is no mention of any such island. The main claim has to do with New York sports-writer/cartoonist Tad Dorgan not knowing how to spell daschund and using the term hot dog instead. There are, of course, other claims, but I've never heard that the rest of America started calling tube steaks hot dogs following the lead of "an island" in New York.



No, not the phrase hot dog, frankfurter, etc. the concept (and selling practice) of the hot dog in the United States. The generic phrase "coney" has been adopted/adapted in many forms (meaning many different things) in many different regions of the country. It originated from Coney Island NY.

Coney Island Amusement Park in Ohio, was renamed Coney Island, as an attempt to link itself with Coney Island NY.

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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/16 22:56:14 (permalink)
Sure. Get back to me whan you can back up your assertions.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/17 02:09:04 (permalink)
There is plenty of documentation listed (here) from several sources to support the origins of the generic phrase "coney" trace back to Coney Island NY.

If you have another explanation, feel free to provide it.

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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/17 07:27:21 (permalink)
In the movie 'Paper Moon', Ryan O'Neil says to Tatum, “Now eat your Coney Island and drink your Nehi!”.

I presume she wasn't holding a Rutt's Hutt dog.
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/17 08:13:10 (permalink)
Here ya go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXWVS3ccRRA
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RE: Rutts Hut not that great 2008/10/17 08:40:53 (permalink)
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i can discern the difference. but that doesn't prove that there's a meaningful distinction between a hot dog served with chili on top, and a chili dog.

still waiting. for the back up. of the assertion.
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