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PapaJoe8

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Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 4:21 PM (permalink)
The lake I live on is full of Shad. You catch em w/ a throw net. They range in size from tiny to 10' or so. They look allot like sardines but have a real oily skin. I have heard that folks eat em in other countries. Does anyone here know if they are good to eat, and if so, how to cook em. I guess you would need to cook the smaller ones different than the big guys? Kinda like my PawPaw would grill small pearch and you eat em bones and all.
Joe
 
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    Sundancer7

    RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 4:31 PM (permalink)
    The Tennessee River is full of shad. I use them for catfish bait. I am sure they are edible. They are easy to catch. We get them for baitfish using a casting net.

    Paul E. Smith
    Knoxville, TN
     
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      Bushie

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      RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 4:33 PM (permalink)
      Joe, here's an old topic on shad festivals started by seafarer john:

      http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=340

      Also, here's a site with more info, and it also contains links to recipes:

      http://www.hrmm.org/museum/festival.htm

      I think I need to drive up there and help you clear some of those out of your lake!
       
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        Michael Hoffman

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        RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 4:36 PM (permalink)
        The absolute best way to prepare American shad is to plank them and cook the fish right on the plank over a fire. When they're done, you throw away the shad and eat the plank.
         
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          Michael Hoffman

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          RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 4:38 PM (permalink)
          quote:
          Originally posted by PapaJoe8

          The lake I live on is full of Shad. You catch em w/ a throw net. They range in size from tiny to 10' or so. They look allot like sardines but have a real oily skin. I have heard that folks eat em in other countries. Does anyone here know if they are good to eat, and if so, how to cook em. I guess you would need to cook the smaller ones different than the big guys? Kinda like my PawPaw would grill small pearch and you eat em bones and all.
          Joe

          You're talking about gizzard shad,a baitfish.
           
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            Bushie

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            RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 5:13 PM (permalink)
            quote:
            Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

            You're talking about gizzard shad,a baitfish.


            So, are they not a panfish?
             
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              Michael Hoffman

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              RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 5:26 PM (permalink)
              quote:
              Originally posted by Bushie

              quote:
              Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

              You're talking about gizzard shad,a baitfish.


              So, are they not a panfish?

              Sunfish and crappies are panfish. Gizzard shad are bait.
               
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                Bushie

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                RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 5:39 PM (permalink)
                Ok, Joe, cancel that shad-fry!!
                 
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                  seafarer john

                  RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 5:41 PM (permalink)
                  Your baitfish shad are a very distant relative to the delicious shad found in the Spring in our rivers. Ours are fish that come in from the sea to spawn and they range from about 2 lbs to 7 or 8 lbs - the females carrying roe are larger than the males, both sexes are good to eat. But it takes an expert to filet the fish in such a way as to remove the hundreds of bones. There is a way of baking the shad over many hours dissolving the bones, the problem is the resulting fish is barely edible , to my taste. the filets of our shad are best baked in the oven or grilled over a hardwood fire with bacon fat giving a nice flavor.

                  Cheers, John
                   
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                    Sundancer7

                    RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 5:43 PM (permalink)
                    We also have a lot of crappie and bluegill in the Tennessee River. In the summer, I can count hundreds of blue gill shading under my dock. Crappie is also abundant to catch in the early spring.

                    Crappie is my favorite fish in Tennessee although I truly enjoy Minnesota walleye.

                    I guess the Tennessee river has many species of fish. I have caught some huge catfish off my dock. Most of the time, the ones I caught were in the 5-7 pounds but one night I caught a 25-27-29 pounder within a 25 minute time. I was using shad as bait. That was the largest I have caught but the record in my area is 110 pound cat. I have no idea how big they get but this one made the paper, weighed on Kroger scales and is now stuffed and on display at a bicycle shop in Alcoa, TN.

                    Crappie filets are great for breakfast with potatoes and onions.

                    Paul E. Smith
                    Knoxville, TN
                     
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                      Michael Hoffman

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                      RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 5:54 PM (permalink)
                      quote:
                      Originally posted by Bushie

                      Ok, Joe, cancel that shad-fry!!

                      Bushie, where I come from they catch and cook American shad during their spring spwning runs. Those fish are anadromous in that they spawn in fresh water rivers and they return as adults to spawn in their natal streams, just as do salmon and steelhead.
                       
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                        Michael Hoffman

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                        RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 5:55 PM (permalink)
                        Ah, seafarer john, I see you beat me to it.
                         
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                          PapaJoe8

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                          RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 7:10 PM (permalink)
                          Shoot, my shad fry got canceled real fast. I still think that, even tough they are primarraly used for bait, there might be a way to prepair them so they taste good.

                          I will never forget being on the Bob Hall pier at South Padre and the only thing biting was what tha locals called "hard heads". They would catch em and just throw em back. They looked just like the channel catfish prized as great eating fish. Well, my sweety and her cousin had a batch cleaned, took them back to the RV, and fried em up. Then they took em back to the pier for all to taste. Hmmmm, everyone loved em!!! My sweety and her cousin just cut off the red looking meat and fried it. Thats all it took to make those hard heads great eating!!

                          Hmmmm, could it be the same kinda story for the fresh water Shad?? Cook em right and????

                          Oh, and one other thing, I had a good friend that always said raw fish was just bait, untill we were at a lake front roadfood kinda place, and they served up some, hmm,... how do you spell this?... Cavichie? Anyway, it was great! My friend took one bite and stole my whole glass! I had to order anouther. I didn't tell him it was raw fish till a few beers later. He said "I don't care, that was great stuff!" Shoot, what was the name of those guys restaurant, they still have a location in Royce City Tx.

                          Give me a few days, It's that ?? old folks thing they did a thread about here.
                          Joe
                           
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                            WVHillbilly

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                            RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 7:22 PM (permalink)
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

                            Ah, seafarer john, I see you beat me to it.


                            Ya just gotta learn how to run that Google engine a bit faster.

                            There are lots of fish called shad. Not sure if they're all officially in the "shad" family. In Lake Huron there are little minnow like fish they call shad. They also call may flys, "shad flys" up there.
                            Where I grew up near the Delaware River, the shad are what seafarer described. . . big ol things that my dad's sportsman buddies took very seriously. My grandmother used to eat them, but she'd eat anything if it was wild, fresh and delivered to her doorstep.
                             
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                              PapaJoe8

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                              RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 7:51 PM (permalink)
                              Hey, we might be distantly related WV!
                              Joe
                               
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                                Michael Hoffman

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                                RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 8:32 PM (permalink)
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by WVHillbilly

                                quote:
                                Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

                                Ah, seafarer john, I see you beat me to it.


                                Ya just gotta learn how to run that Google engine a bit faster.


                                I grew up fishing shad on the Connecticut river. I've been writing about them for more than 50 years. I don't need to Google anything about them.
                                 
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                                  Adjudicator

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                                  RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 8:45 PM (permalink)
                                  quote:
                                  Originally posted by Bushie

                                  Ok, Joe, cancel that shad-fry!!


                                  Damn
                                   
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                                    DLnWPBrown

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                                    RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 8:55 PM (permalink)
                                    Actually where I grew up the best thing about shad were the roe in them. They were cooked with eggs most times.

                                    Dennis in Cary
                                     
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                                      WVHillbilly

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                                      RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Tue, 05/23/06 11:54 PM (permalink)
                                      quote:
                                      Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

                                      quote:
                                      Originally posted by WVHillbilly

                                      quote:
                                      Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

                                      Ah, seafarer john, I see you beat me to it.


                                      Ya just gotta learn how to run that Google engine a bit faster.


                                      I grew up fishing shad on the Connecticut river. I've been writing about them for more than 50 years. I don't need to Google anything about them.


                                      Of course you don't. I keep forgetting who you are. My apologies.
                                       
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                                        PapaJoe8

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                                        RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Wed, 05/24/06 9:38 AM (permalink)
                                        It's Moriscos (spelling?) in Royce City Tx. that has a great cavichie. Raw fish soaked in lime juice that cooks it.

                                        Ok yall, I'm comfusled now. There must be lots of different kinds of shad. I think there are 2 kinds in my lake. Some are considered good to eat and some are not. But, is it just that most folks use them as bait in some areas, and have never even tasted one cooked properly. Kinda like those salt water hard head catfish I mentioned earlier. Can this mystery be solved??
                                        Joe

                                         
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                                          LindaW

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                                          RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Wed, 05/24/06 9:44 AM (permalink)
                                          I've always wanted to try Shad Roe...was told it is sold in pairs and best sauteed in butter...but I didn't see any at the fish market last week...up here in Albany, NY area..always see people fishing in the hudson for them......oh...and the hudson is safe up here..you won't glow from eating fish caught from it...like you do south of Poughkeepsie!!!
                                           
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                                            porkbeaks

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                                            RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Thu, 05/25/06 8:34 AM (permalink)
                                             
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                                              V960

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                                              RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Thu, 05/25/06 2:11 PM (permalink)
                                              Shad runs are a right of passage on the Eastern seaboard. The roe is fried for any meal (best, IMHO, for breakfast w/ eggs) and the fish itself is best cooked at a low temp for a seemingly absurd twelve hours. The bones melt away. There was a movie w/ Al Pachino where the test of a good fish monger was to be able to bone out a shad...I'm not that good. I eat the roe for breakfast and roast the fish for dinner. Season down in NC is just about past.
                                               
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                                                Heartburn

                                                RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Thu, 05/25/06 2:33 PM (permalink)
                                                I to grew up along the Connecticut river and fished for them.
                                                That was about 60 years ago.
                                                At that time they would arrive just when the apple trees bloomed.
                                                Don't know if that is still the case.
                                                Sagud
                                                 
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                                                  nvb

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                                                  RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Thu, 05/25/06 2:53 PM (permalink)
                                                  PappaJoe,

                                                  I think we only have Threadfin and Gizzard shad in this area. Judging by the Texas state records of Threadfin @ 0.13 lb. and Gizzard @ 2.67 lbs. I don't know for sure, but I don't think either one is much of an eater.

                                                  Gizzard


                                                  Threadfin
                                                   
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                                                    xannie_01

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                                                    RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Thu, 05/25/06 2:55 PM (permalink)
                                                    shame on you for teasing PapaJoe like that...
                                                     
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                                                      RE: Shad, can you eat em? And how to fix em... Thu, 05/25/06 10:09 PM (permalink)
                                                      Not me. I thought it was your twin brother too.
                                                       
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